dalemurphy
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The question is: when this group Caserio/Ryans target and acquire a player, how does that work out for the team? Evidence, so far (IMO): TARGET AWAY!
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The question is: when this group Caserio/Ryans target and acquire a player, how does that work out for the team? Evidence, so far (IMO): TARGET AWAY!
If my memory is working, every pick the Texans made last year involved moving up or down in a specific manner
dalemurphy
Hall of Fame
EXACTLY!
Edelman is who he reminds me of. I also like Legette quite a bit.
If they can walk out of this draft with Fiske or Sweat and Mc Conkey or Legette I will be very happy.
There's a chance Caserio could move back into the 2nd using 3-86 and 4-125 and draft a CB. I actually could see a scenario where Ryans ends up getting McKinstry at 2-42, a trade up into the 2nd for Sweat or Fiske and one of the WR's fall to 2-59 like Legette/ McConkey or Pearsall. Draft Guerendo with the other 4th and sign Simmons and lets roll. This is possible.
Exactly, bird in hand.
My draft crush is Wilson.
Doubt they end up with him though. I've got him as a top 15 player in this draft.
dalemurphy
Hall of Fame
You are definitely right. I mean, Nick has demonstrated by his words and his deeds that he views draft capital like that and is less focused on the assigned draft slot.
Bring Quandre Diggs home.
Sweech
Onside Kick Specialist
Aren't those "draft capital" measurements heavily weighted towards 1st rounders being worth a lot? We still have several picks in this draft and aren't exactly pick poor either. Nick trading up (or down) again wouldn't really be that surprising.
Last year, the Texans had the MOST draft capital of any team in the league. This year, the Texans have the 5th lowest amount of draft capital. A distinct difference, right?
If you're talking about moving 10 spots up in the 3rd round, right. If you're talking about moving from the 3rd into the 2nd, it's not there. The capital is not available for anything of consequence.
You might make it up 10 spots in the 3rd with that, if the trading partner really needs an extra pick.
BTW, the 4th round picks are 4.123 & 4.127.
They have the ability to trade 3-85/4-125 and a 2025 3rd to get back into the top 45-50. 2-42/ 2-47/2-59 would look great on draft night. A trade like this would have to be done on draft night most likely.
Just a little research on draft day trades would show you that is not nearly enough.
Throwing in a 2025 3rd would probably move them up another 10-15 spots.
The Texans 2025 3rd would be worth another 60-70 points, the value of a 2024 4th.
It's ok to make stuff up. But why not spend a minute of your life looking something up?
beerlover
Hall of Fame
Shocked Caserio would make move out of first this early. Can't help but think it has something to do with filling holes of need he still has from free agency (missing on DT) Sweat or Brandon Fiske. Or if they select WR 42nd instead, Roman Wilson or Rickie Pearsall, then Chris Jenkins DT with own 2nd. Something like that. Still have time to address DT via free agency or trade, then can get both WR & CB in 2nd.
Some dont like trading away multiple picks/future picks to target a single player. I've been a proponent of this strategy for yrs. Quality over Quantity.
If you decide to go strictly by some draft chart. The human element sometimes comes into play. I could also see Caserio moving down from 2-42 to 2-47 or so and that would give him the ammo to move back up into the 2nd when you put this together with what I posted earlier. The point is Caserio has much more flexibility after this trade.
This also includes trading for Diggs, I'm not sure how I feel about this. Diggs is great when he's engaged and he/Stroud have been talking this off season.
dalemurphy
Hall of Fame
I know you have. It was one of the few times you defended Rick Smith... and I agree with you, especially with Nick. Nick has skin in the game ever time he moves to get a player. That kind of conviction is exactly what we want (as long as he is working with the head coach). It is a vastly superior mentality that the Charley Casserly bullshit he spewed about what percentage of players work out at each given round.
I am still following his behavior and I don't expect it change...see starting free agency filling the back of the roster instead of filling from the top even when going after top guys.
dalemurphy
Hall of Fame
My advice- keep an open mind... Take a "wait and see" policy. You don't want to dig in now. This team is going for an extended winning ride and you don't want to be stuck justifying your "bearish" position, because you will miss the fun!
Well, show me a historical trade that follows your suggestion of bundling a mid-late 3rd + a late 4th that gets a mid 2nd.
Actually less. But that's OK.
I am not sure that expecting Nick to move around the draft board is bearish, but okay.
and at this point in my life, I enjoy the entire process of free agency, the draft, preseason, and the games. I am in my 620 seats whether the team is good or bad or wins or loses
badboy
Hall of Fame
Reasonable for a player of his capabilities and previous statistics but I do understand your concern.
badboy
Hall of Fame
I am thinking that the players that were going to be gone at 23 would be similar to the players that will be gone at 42.
badboy
Hall of Fame
Well Nick did not do it the Patriots way then in 2023 nor do I expect in 2024. He was up and down all over the place. Very successful last year in my opinion. Perhaps we could get away from this Patriot Way thing and now call it the Texans Way?
badboy
Hall of Fame
Not if the Vikings were saying now or never. That round two in 2025 could be extremely valuable based on how the Vikings look today. It is a gamble but Nick has rolled them bones quite well so far
badboy
Hall of Fame
I am not opposed to having Stephen Nelson back Just At a reasonable Cap cost.
badboy
Hall of Fame
So our two round twos in 2024 and two round twos in 2025 not mentioning round one that year is not enough to get us high into this year's draft?
TheRealJoker
Hall of Fame
I think everyone agrees with that (except Nelson).
He's got future picks that he can trade now that he didn't have before. as well as an extra 6th that he could package to move up say 4-123 the 6th and 2 7ths to move up 10 spots and pick a CB like Stiggers as an example. Also he has more cap flexibility and the ability to trade for a vet like S. Diggs that he didn't have before this trade. Just throwing this out there not looking at draft charts.
Exactly
badboy
Hall of Fame
Leggett at his size and build really helped himself at the combine with a 4.39 40 and a 40 in vertical.
I am no longer interested in Kool-Aid due to his Jones fracture. There are very good cornerbacks like Sainristil and Kris Abrams-Draine who IIRC locked his opponents up ladt season.
Hart, Khyree Jackson and DJ James may be in round 4.
Yep, he's doing thins his way in conjunction with the way Ryans wants thing done. Example: Ryans says I want Simmons in FA and McKinstry in the draft to fix the secondary. Now Caserio has the FA money to sign Simmons and the draft capital even if he has to move up a few spots to get McKinstry. He didn't have the flexibility to do this before the trade.
I would be very happy if the Caserio could get Hart in rd.4. I would even be interested in trading up into rd.3 for him.
I could see this, but I would go another way.
If I knew I could walk out of this draft with Fiske or Sweat/Payton Wilson and Pearsall if this meant having to trade 3-85 and the Texans 2nd rd pick next yr, I would do this in a heartbeat.
Mainly because I've got Wilson ranked as a top 15 player and I've got Sweat/Fiske as low 1sts/high nds. As well as having Pearsall as a top 50 guy that could fall to 59.
Trading for Diggs though would be an awesome weapon for Stroud to have, Collins/Diggs/Tank/Mixon/Schultz = not scoring 3 points in a playoff game.
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Sure hope not
Carr Bombed
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Not even top 5 (Hopkins for the corpse of David Johnson) and I like picking up extra picks.
beerlover
Hall of Fame
Caserio is adding volume quality depth to become future starters so he can extend & keep core pieces Stingley, Collins and the franchise CJ Stroud.
Plus this gives him a chance for a lot of flexibility in the 2025 draft.
leebigeztx
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Yeah, James, Hart,and Jackson seem like they will be in the 3rd/4th. Good spot to be in.
leebigeztx
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I wonder where Fiske is really rated. When I started mentioning him on this board, he was rated in the 4th or 5th rd. Now post combine, he's high 2nd. I like his motor, but he tends to get swallowed up some. If its between he and Sweat at that point, I think I would just go with the immoveable force of Sweat.
I absolutely love Fiske game. However with Autry I would pick Swift. If they pick Fiske I'll trust Ryans, he knows what he wants his defense to look like. Drafting Fiske means Davis and Settle are the run stoppers and if you draft Fiske you have a 4 man rotation of guys with diverse skillsets.
leebigeztx
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That Hopkins trade is probably the worse trade in Houston sports history
Nope,
The Joe Morgan trade is he worst in Houston sports history.
They made the Big Red Machine what it became.
beerlover
Hall of Fame
Exactly, Caserio picked up new run stoppers already. Fiske is ascending, it’s all in his film, Combine just confirmed and checked off another box. High effort/motor, smart with excellent work ethic. Doesn’t have elite measureables like JJ Watt had but he is similar in many ways.
leebigeztx
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Astros received some good players, Texans got trash