FIRE O'BRIEN NOW!!!

[Corrosion]

The same people who claim O’Brien wanted Mahomes conveniently forget that going into the draft, there were questions about Mahomes‘ gunslinger attitude, his turnovers, ability to play under center, read coverages, not going through his progressions, decision making, leaving the pocket too soon and even his accuracy and inconsistent mechanics.

Even during his first training camp, Mahomes was throwing INTs all over the place. I find it revisionist history to claim O’Brien wanted Mahomes. I’m more likely to believe, he wanted Trubisky than Watson or Mahomes.

If O’Brien has to interview for another job, I doubt he will list, “I wanted to draft Mahomes”. Instead, I would bet he would say, “I drafted Watson and had him producing at historical pace and top 5 QB with only 35 games of experience”

Its pretty much common knowledge amongst those in the know that OB preferred Mahomes over both Trubisky and Watson.

From what I understand of that situation - Smith didn't have a preference and wasn't willing to pony up draft capital to get one or the other , rather he'd take the one that was left,
I do believe that the consensus in the building at the time was that Mahomes would be the one remaining at the time they picked - until Andy Reid threw a monkey wrench into that equation - they were pretty much set at QB with Smith …. no one expected them to make that jump and it was possible the Texans would have their pick between the two.

Smith's philosophy on use of draft capital on the QB position seems to back this up.
During the entire time Smith was GM they spent only a 7th in 08 , a 5th in 11 and a 4th in 14 on the position aside from Watson over a decade.
In 2017 he was given a mandate by ownership "Draft a 1st round QB".

 

[Corrosion]

As far as the wanting BOB gone, nothing has changed your opinion and probably wont. I'm OK with changing HC's but only if you can name a better option.

Look out your window - you see that squirrel ? He would be a better option than OB.

 

[Corrosion]

I would definitely prefer Kubes offense. I think the game plan strategy is great in theory. I just have 2 issues. One, it seems to be very complicated. We’ve heard numerous former players state that it takes 2-3 yrs to really get it. Wade Smith, either on 610 or on Twitter, discussed how difficult it was for an OL not to know the blocking assignment/scheme until they get to the line. He said it was much easier for a lineman to know what the assignment was before getting to the line, that way they more time to identify their responsibility. Think of how many times over the past couple seasons we’ve busted assignments on stunts, twists, ect... Could this be due to what Wade talks about? I’ve also noticed multiple times in multiple games we have 2 receivers in the same area. I get that at times you want to flood a zone, but I’m talking about our guys being so close together 1 DB can cover both guys. I’m guessing that one of the two read the defense the wrong way because I cannot imagine that’s by design.

Two, I worry that trying to be really good at several different styles of play is going to leave us mediocre at each style. Personally, I’d rather have us be really good at something and say try and stop this. I think that’s what Baltimore is doing and I think that’s what Kubes used to do. That being said, I definitely wouldn’t mind some creative wrinkles being mixed in to keep teams from over playing our tendencies. Just my opinion though

The frequency in which this happens and the fact that it encompasses literally every pass catcher leads me to believe it is by design.
That many players , veterans including DHop cant be making that many mistakes that often.

If it were just Stills and Coutee …. yeah I might agree but it isn't , its literally everyone.

 

[Corrosion]

The gameplan offense seems to work well for the Pats.

I get what you're saying though with DW4 at QB.

I dont care for a full time ZBS/WC offense. I'm good with running some ZBS concepts which the Texans do every game.

This is a case of whether you like to adapt your philosophy to what's most likely to work against a particular defense vs an offense that says this is what we do stop it offense. The reason I like the gameplan offense is with the ZBS what happens when the other team stops your offense?

I get your theory and would agree with it in general …. but in practice that's not what we're getting.

See running into the teeth of Tampa's top rushing defense on 13 of 15 (?) first down plays in the first half.

We're going to trick them and do exactly what they think we wont - run into the teeth of their defense! ….

 

[Uncle Rico]

this is Bill OBriens offensive strategy versus another coach in a nutshell (take a wild guess which one is OBrien LOL):

 

[steelbtexan]

Look out your window - you see that squirrel ? He would be a better option than OB.

See this is why the BOB must go at any cost cant be taken seriously.

Is BOB the best HC in the NFL? Nope

But it's doubtful a squirrel could have double digit wins 2 yrs in a row, or win the AFC South 4 times in 6 yrs.

 

[mussop]

That goes with the territory when it comes with inconsistent QB play. Doesn't really matter who the HC is. BTW, if those Int's and the dumb throwing it away instead of taking a sack had cost the Texans that game, you can bet this thread would be alot more active.

As far as the wanting BOB gone, nothing has changed your opinion and probably wont. I'm OK with changing HC's but only if you can name a better option.

You avoided the remark about Lamar Jackson. How would Lamar Jackson look under BOB? He would be trash because BOB would be ignoring his strengths and trying to make him into Tom Brady. A really good coach will adjust his system to fit the talent he has. A mediocre coach will try and force his system on what ever talent he has. That’s BOB. You can insist it’s the QB being inconsistent all you want but when BOB was forced by injuries to adapt the offence to Watson, Watson shined like a superstar. That wasn’t good enough for BOB. Instead of developing what was working he let his ego take over and went back to his system.

As far as naming someone better?

1.) Lincoln Riley
2.) Erik Bienemy
3.) Greg Roman
4.) Matt Rhule
5.) Kevin Stefanski

defensive minded
1.) Matt Eberflus

 

[steelbtexan]

I get your theory and would agree with it in general …. but in practice that's not what we're getting.

See running into the teeth of Tampa's top rushing defense on 13 of 15 (?) first down plays in the first half.

We're going to trick them and do exactly what they think we wont - run into the teeth of their defense! ….

Totally agree

It was maddening, I wanted to throw something at the TV. Makes me think DW4 was hurt more than we know and BOB did the right thing giving him last week off.

 

[Speedy]

Heard LZ this morning say there were sources telling him that Kelly or someone besides OB, because he was busy wearing other hats, would install the game plan on Wednesday, they practice all week with it, then Saturday OB comes along and changes it.

Not saying it is, but if that’s true, it sure explains some things, like never scoring on their 1st drive.

 

[steelbtexan]

You avoided the remark about Lamar Jackson. How would Lamar Jackson look under BOB? He would be trash because BOB would be ignoring his strengths and trying to make him into Tom Brady. A really good coach will adjust his system to fit the talent he has. A mediocre coach will try and force his system on what ever talent he has. That’s BOB. You can insist it’s the QB being inconsistent all you want but when BOB was forced by injuries to adapt the offence to Watson, Watson shined like a superstar. That wasn’t good enough for BOB. Instead of developing what was working he let his ego take over and went back to his system.

As far as naming someone better?

1.) Lincoln Riley
2.) Erik Bienemy
3.) Greg Roman
4.) Matt Rhule
5.) Kevin Stefanski

defensive minded
1.) Matt Eberflus

Harbaugh is to be commended for changing his offense to fit LJ's skillset. Lets see how long LJ lasts. If LJ only lasts a couple of seasons and wins a SB then it will have been worth it.

You dont want a 2 time ACL guy who while a great athlete isn't the athlete LJ is running that offense. Unless you want to be looking for another QB sometime soon. Which since I dont think they will win a SB with DW4 I dont have a problem with them running the offense y'all want them to run. But when he gets hurt I'm sure these same posters would blame BOB.

As far as your list goes

1. Riley- Hasn't won anything, do you really want to see the Oklahoma/LSU stuff we see from Riley's Sooners every yr?
2. Bienemy- 1st time HC so there will be a learning curve but he's intriguing.
3. Roman- How many jobs has he been fired from. He's great with a generational talent like LJ though.
3. Ruhle- I dont get the love for this guy, He's a college program builder but never has even won a conference championship. You really want to take that big of a risk on a guy like this? I dont.
4. Stefanski- Another 1st time HC so there will be a learning curve. Is a WC guy and I dont like the WC offense. But I can see why you like him.

 

[Earl34]

Heard LZ this morning say there were sources telling him that Kelly or someone besides OB, because he was busy wearing other hats, would install the game plan on Wednesday, they practice all week with it, then Saturday OB comes along and changes it.

Not saying it is, but if that’s true, it sure explains some things, like never scoring on their 1st drive.

Supposedly, the Browns’ OC had the same complaints about Freddie Kitchens and attributed some of their offensive struggles to the HC either changing or ignoring the OC‘s game plan.

 

[santo]

Kelly: Ok, here are some plays where we can attack the Buc's defense through the air.
OB: Looks good.

On Gameday...

OB: Scratch those plays, let's run it up the middle because they will not be expecting it.

 

[austins23]

OB: Scratch those plays, let's run it up the middle because they will not be expecting it.

OB: "Especially on 1st down! Isn't that a great idea?!"

 

[mussop]

Harbaugh is to be commended for changing his offense to fit LJ's skillset. Lets see how long LJ lasts. If LJ only lasts a couple of seasons and wins a SB then it will have been worth it.

You dont want a 2 time ACL guy who while a great athlete isn't the athlete LJ is running that offense. Unless you want to be looking for another QB sometime soon. Which since I dont think they will win a SB with DW4 I dont have a problem with them running the offense y'all want them to run. But when he gets hurt I'm sure these same posters would blame BOB.

As far as your list goes

1. Riley- Hasn't won anything, do you really want to see the Oklahoma/LSU stuff we see from Riley's Sooners every yr?
2. Bienemy- 1st time HC so there will be a learning curve but he's intriguing.
3. Roman- How many jobs has he been fired from. He's great with a generational talent like LJ though.
3. Ruhle- I dont get the love for this guy, He's a college program builder but never has even won a conference championship. You really want to take that big of a risk on a guy like this? I dont.
4. Stefanski- Another 1st time HC so there will be a learning curve. Is a WC guy and I dont like the WC offense. But I can see why you like him.

Never said I wanted Watson running that offense. Do you believe if the Texans has drafted Jackson BOB would of changed his offense to a more Jackson friendly offense?

1.) LSU and Oklahoma every year?
3.) how many jobs had BOB been fired from.

 

[steelbtexan]

Never said I wanted Watson running that offense. Do you believe if the Texans has drafted Jackson BOB would of changed his offense to a more Jackson friendly offense?

1.) LSU and Oklahoma every year?
3.) how many jobs had BOB been fired from.

I don't know and neither do you.

Point is Riley's teams get blown out in the playoffs and their defenses suck.

BOB hasn't been fired from any jobs that I'm aware of. If he has let me know.

 

[Mr teX]

Harbaugh is to be commended for changing his offense to fit LJ's skillset. Lets see how long LJ lasts. If LJ only lasts a couple of seasons and wins a SB then it will have been worth it.

You dont want a 2 time ACL guy who while a great athlete isn't the athlete LJ is running that offense. Unless you want to be looking for another QB sometime soon. Which since I dont think they will win a SB with DW4 I dont have a problem with them running the offense y'all want them to run. But when he gets hurt I'm sure these same posters would blame BOB.

As far as your list goes

1. Riley- Hasn't won anything, do you really want to see the Oklahoma/LSU stuff we see from Riley's Sooners every yr?
2. Bienemy- 1st time HC so there will be a learning curve but he's intriguing.
3. Roman- How many jobs has he been fired from. He's great with a generational talent like LJ though.
3. Ruhle- I dont get the love for this guy, He's a college program builder but never has even won a conference championship. You really want to take that big of a risk on a guy like this? I dont.
4. Stefanski- Another 1st time HC so there will be a learning curve. Is a WC guy and I dont like the WC offense. But I can see why you like him.

Roman's so overrated. Can't wait for some desperate team to pick this guy up as the HC. They're going to be in for a rude awakening just like Buffalo was once they see how terrible his offense looks when it doesn't have the defense to keep it afloat.

There's nothing special going on in Baltimore either. LJ is doing what LJ has done his whole life...which is ball & he'd likely be putting up numbers here under BoB as well. Folks thinking Harbaugh or Roman are responsible for what that kid is doing haven't been paying attention. Likewise, its an assinine argument to say that our offense looked better after "adjusting" for injuries for DW4 b/c that's basically all BoB's been doing every damn year WFV is out & we know that's not true. To say that is to say that when WFV is healthy & the offense isn't being "adjusted for injuries" towards DW4, the offense sucks. Either way, that clearly flies in the face of the evidence we have this year & every year WFV has been here with DW4. We & DW4 have looked damn near unstoppable when he's healthy.

 

[mussop]

I don't know and neither do you.

Point is Riley's teams get blown out in the playoffs and their defenses suck.

BOB hasn't been fired from any jobs that I'm aware of. If he has let me know.

He’s fought tooth and nail to not change it for Watson so I think it’s pretty safe to say he’s not that kind of coach.

point is Riley has a reputation as one of the most innovative offensive minds in the game. Over the five years he has been associated with Oklahoma football (the first two years as offensive coordinator under Stoops and the last three as head coach), the Sooner offense has either led the nation or ranked in the top five in a number of major offensive categories.

Riley has a 36-6 record at OU in the three seasons he has been the head coach. That includes three consecutive Big 12 championships and an equal number of trips to the College Football Playoff. In addition, he has coached two Heisman Trophy winners (quarterbacks Baker Mayfield and Kyler Murray in back-to-back years, 2017 and 2018) and a Heisman runner-up this year in Jalen Hurts.

Would love to see what he would do with Watson. If I have to watch another year of BOBs piss poor game planning, poor game management and poor team preparation I’m going to lose my mind.

I know he’s not going anywhere because that’s what this franchise is. Okay with mediocre. Gross. It’s so hard enjoying football as a fan of this team. BOB sucks the enjoyment right out of the fans. Seriously, where’s the excitement at for the playoffs? We just won a division championship and there is no buzz at all around town. Thats because everyone that’s been watching this turd for the last SIX YEARS has witnessed BOBs teams underperform in big games time and time again. I fully expect us to come out and get a slow start and lose the game. If that doesn’t happen and we somehow pull it off we will just get blasted next week. Hey were the BOBs, that’s what we do.

 

[Mr teX]

He’s fought tooth and nail to not change it for Watson so I think it’s pretty safe to say he’s not that kind of coach.

point is Riley has a reputation as one of the most innovative offensive minds in the game. Over the five years he has been associated with Oklahoma football (the first two years as offensive coordinator under Stoops and the last three as head coach), the Sooner offense has either led the nation or ranked in the top five in a number of major offensive categories.

Riley has a 36-6 record at OU in the three seasons he has been the head coach. That includes three consecutive Big 12 championships and an equal number of trips to the College Football Playoff. In addition, he has coached two Heisman Trophy winners (quarterbacks Baker Mayfield and Kyler Murray in back-to-back years, 2017 and 2018) and a Heisman runner-up this year in Jalen Hurts.

Would love to see what he would do with Watson. If I have to watch another year of BOBs piss poor game planning, poor game management and poor team preparation I’m going to lose my mind.

I know he’s not going anywhere because that’s what this franchise is. Okay with mediocre. Gross. It’s so hard enjoying football as a fan of this team. BOB sucks the enjoyment right out of the fans. Seriously, where’s the excitement at for the playoffs? We just won a division championship and there is no buzz at all around town. Thats because everyone that’s been watching this turd for the last SIX YEARS has witnessed BOBs teams underperform in big games time and time again. I fully expect us to come out and get a slow start and lose the game. If that doesn’t happen and we somehow pull it off we will just get blasted next week. Hey were the BOBs, that’s what we do.

Reciepts please..(sources??) Otherwise this is just bunk.

 

[CloakNNNdagger]

The gameplan offense seems to work well for the Pats.

I get what you're saying though with DW4 at QB.

I dont care for a full time ZBS/WC offense. I'm good with running some ZBS concepts which the Texans do every game.

This is a case of whether you like to adapt your philosophy to what's most likely to work against a particular defense vs an offense that says this is what we do stop it offense. The reason I like the gameplan offense is with the ZBS what happens when the other team stops your offense?

People seem to forget how everyone on the board used to blow a hoof screaming how "predictable" our ZBS was with the prior regime............and how could we keep on doing the same thing over and over again during games, even when it wasn't working. People tend to forget............

 

[Corrosion]

@steelbtexan I have a couple questions:

1 do you think OB is getting the best out of Watson ?

2 Who do you replace - Watson or OB ?

My answers -

1 Hell No.

2 OB because of 1 and the fact that Watson might actually improve in a system more suited to him. I'd prefer to do that before handing him the $35m but …. its doubtful OB is gone before Watson signs a new contract.

3 You aren't getting a more talented QB than Watson any time soon.
I might be looking for the next QB but its highly unlikely anyone I draft the next 2 years is anywhere close.

 

[TexansBull]

See this is why the BOB must go at any cost cant be taken seriously.

Is BOB the best HC in the NFL? Nope

But it's doubtful a squirrel could have double digit wins 2 yrs in a row, or win the AFC South 4 times in 6 yrs.

My half eaten bag of chips tells me it is up to that challenge.

 

[Mr teX]

People seem to forget how everyone on the board used to blow a hoof screaming how "predictable" our ZBS was with the prior regime............and how could we keep on doing the same thing over and over again during games, even when it wasn't working. People tend to forget............

Yep. Too hard of a concept to grasp for some though.

 

[TexansBull]

O’Brein is so overrated. Can't wait for some desperate team to pick this guy up as the HC. They're going to be in for a rude awakening just like Houston was once they see how terrible his offense looks when it doesn't have the defense/Deshaun Watson to keep it afloat.

FIFY.

Sent from the future!

 

[Mr teX]

FIFY.

Sent from the future!

Lol both have gone to SB's as offensive coordinators and lost...

 

[Uncle Rico]

People seem to forget how everyone on the board used to blow a hoof screaming how "predictable" our ZBS was with the prior regime............and how could we keep on doing the same thing over and over again during games, even when it wasn't working. People tend to forget............

I like to remember our offense being ranked in the top 10 year after year with Kubiak. His predictability stemmed from his biggest flaw of all ... LOYALTY ... he rode the Schaub train off the tracks and into the river. He could never fire his pals on the staff.

The job gave the man a stroke on the sidelines!! How quick we forget.

Koobs is a better offensive coach than Bill OBrien. Thats unquestionable. As far as head coaching? They are about equal.

Koobs won a ring with a flawed Denver team 2 years after we threw him out with the bath water!

OBrien has enjoyed the majority of his success from a Koobs/Rick Smith nucleus.

San Fran has gone from the Super Bowl with Harbaugh to blowing it up and starting over, to AGAIN being a Super Bowl contender ALL IN THE SAME TIME THAT OBRIEN HAS BEEN COACH HERE!!!

 

[OptimisticTexan]

I’ll state my usual response:

1. Young GM....Eliot Wolf. Encourage him to bring Alonzo Highsmith with him.

2. Big money needed for this next one. I’d put a big enough offer on the table to Dabo Sweeney that he’d have to swallow hard to get the words out that he couldn’t accept the offer. 6 years to rebuild the team since he’s being hamstrung by 2 subpar drafts b/c of picks and position. Share player personnel calls with both Wolf and Highsmith who are respected evaluators in their own right.

3. Sweeney gets complete control of staff and offensive / defensive schemes.

4. Sweeney would get complete control as to which players he’d like to retain b/c they fit his system.

5. Sweeney is a players coach in the mold of Pete Carroll. The only difference, Sweeney would be the better college coach before entering the NFL b/c of the competition he faced annually from Alabama in both the recruiting arena and the eventual face to face high stakes games.

All it takes is for Cal to acknowledge his and his Dad’s mistakes. Correct the mistakes and then pull out the checkbook to ink up a new beginning.

 

[Mr.Scarface]

I’ll state my usual response:

1. Young GM....Eliot Wolf. Encourage him to bring Alonzo Highsmith with him.

2. Big money needed for this next one. I’d put a big enough offer on the table to Dabo Sweeney that he’d have to swallow hard to get the words out that he couldn’t accept the offer. 6 years to rebuild the team since he’s being hamstrung by 2 subpar drafts b/c of picks and position. Share player personnel calls with both Wolf and Highsmith who are respected evaluators in their own right.

3. Sweeney gets complete control of staff and offensive / defensive schemes.

4. Sweeney would get complete control as to which players he’d like to retain b/c they fit his system.

5. Sweeney is a players coach in the mold of Pete Carroll. The only difference, Sweeney would be the better college coach b/c of the competition he faced annually from Alabama in both the recruiting arena and eventual face to face high stakes games.

All it takes is for Cal to acknowledge his and his Dad’s mistakes. Correct the mistakes and then pull out the checkbook to ink up a new beginning.

Let's hire the assistant GM of the dumpster fire that is the Browns (whose GM was just fired). Yeah!

Highsmith is going back to "The U" to run that football program as a "Chief of Staff" (Reportedly).

Dabo Swinney is not leaving Clemson. Why would he? He is getting paid $8.2 million a year which will go up to $10 million by 2027. That is more than he would get in the NFL. He plays a cupcake ACC schedule every year and can almost assure himself in the playoff, every year.

 

[Corrosion]

People seem to forget how everyone on the board used to blow a hoof screaming how "predictable" our ZBS was with the prior regime............and how could we keep on doing the same thing over and over again during games, even when it wasn't working. People tend to forget............

I wasn't one of those …. Some of us realized that there was a ceiling with Schaub , particularly after the lis franc - He was done as a starter after that injury.
Any QB who has ever played in that scheme will tell you how QB friendly it is.

to remember our offense being ranked in the top 10 year after year with Kubiak. His predictability stemmed from his biggest flaw of all ... LOYALTY ... he rode the Schaub train off the tracks and into the river. He could never fire his pals on the staff

Have to point out the fact that he really didn't have a lot behind Schaub either.

Gary and Smith went at it over drafting a QB behind Schaub on multiple occasions and Gary was vehemently against the Schaub extension post injury.
That was 101% Tricky Rick's decision.

That loyalty you guys point to was just a lack of much talent behind Schaub , Keenum did go 0-8 until he was injured then the choices were Schaub or Yates.
One of those guys had been a quality starter at one point , the other never more than a backup for his entire career.

Keenum did turn into a decent QB …. eventually.

 

[steelbtexan]

@steelbtexan I have a couple questions:

1 do you think OB is getting the best out of Watson ?

2 Who do you replace - Watson or OB ?

My answers -

1 Hell No.

2 OB because of 1 and the fact that Watson might actually improve in a system more suited to him. I'd prefer to do that before handing him the $35m but …. its doubtful OB is gone before Watson signs a new contract.

3 You aren't getting a more talented QB than Watson any time soon.
I might be looking for the next QB but its highly unlikely anyone I draft the next 2 years is anywhere close.

1. Nope but, BOB is limited in what calls he can make due to DW4's issues.

2. I want them both gone, because I don't think either one will win a championship.

3. If you don't believe DW4 can win a championship then you need to move on instead of wasting another 5-7 yrs hoping DW4 will finally get it and hoping against hope that you can win a championship

. Basically you're you've put yourself in a corner. You can't win a SB but you have to pay him 35 mil per yr for QB play that won't win a championship.

 

[steelbtexan]

He’s fought tooth and nail to not change it for Watson so I think it’s pretty safe to say he’s not that kind of coach.

point is Riley has a reputation as one of the most innovative offensive minds in the game. Over the five years he has been associated with Oklahoma football (the first two years as offensive coordinator under Stoops and the last three as head coach), the Sooner offense has either led the nation or ranked in the top five in a number of major offensive categories.

Riley has a 36-6 record at OU in the three seasons he has been the head coach. That includes three consecutive Big 12 championships and an equal number of trips to the College Football Playoff. In addition, he has coached two Heisman Trophy winners (quarterbacks Baker Mayfield and Kyler Murray in back-to-back years, 2017 and 2018) and a Heisman runner-up this year in Jalen Hurts.

Would love to see what he would do with Watson. If I have to watch another year of BOBs piss poor game planning, poor game management and poor team preparation I’m going to lose my mind.

I know he’s not going anywhere because that’s what this franchise is. Okay with mediocre. Gross. It’s so hard enjoying football as a fan of this team. BOB sucks the enjoyment right out of the fans. Seriously, where’s the excitement at for the playoffs? We just won a division championship and there is no buzz at all around town. Thats because everyone that’s been watching this turd for the last SIX YEARS has witnessed BOBs teams underperform in big games time and time again. I fully expect us to come out and get a slow start and lose the game. If that doesn’t happen and we somehow pull it off we will just get blasted next week. Hey were the BOBs, that’s what we do.

If like excitement but no championships then Riley is your guy.

The fact that BOB won a division with Os and 2 .more with DW4's inconsistent play suggests he's not a bad HC but I don't think BOB"s a championship level HC either.

 

[steelbtexan]

My half eaten bag of chips tells me it is up to that challenge.

LMAO

 

[Texansballer74]

See this is why the BOB must go at any cost cant be taken seriously.

Is BOB the best HC in the NFL? Nope

But it's doubtful a squirrel could have double digit wins 2 yrs in a row, or win the AFC South 4 times in 6 yrs.

Your opinion should be like this for everyone on this team not just O’Brien.

In two year’s we have had 10+ wins with Watson at QB. But he doesn’t get this same response from you. WHY????

We’ve won the division 2 out of the three years with Watson as our starting QB.

But his name get drugged through the shitters by you. Makes no sense bud.

 

[Uncle Rico]

I wasn't one of those …. Some of us realized that there was a ceiling with Schaub , particularly after the lis franc - He was done as a starter after that injury.
Any QB who has ever played in that scheme will tell you how QB friendly it is.



Have to point out the fact that he really didn't have a lot behind Schaub either.

Gary and Smith went at it over drafting a QB behind Schaub on multiple occasions and Gary was vehemently against the Schaub extension post injury.
That was 101% Tricky Rick's decision.

That loyalty you guys point to was just a lack of much talent behind Schaub , Keenum did go 0-8 until he was injured then the choices were Schaub or Yates.
One of those guys had been a quality starter at one point , the other never more than a backup for his entire career.

Keenum did turn into a decent QB …. eventually.

Hmm. My memory is not the greatest. I remember when Peyton Manning became a FA he openly said how much he would like to play here. Am I wrong? So then passing on him would have been solely a Tricky Ricky thing? I don’t remember. Depth is great, but if you have 2 “good” QBs then you really have no good QBs. It’s a luxury, but if this team would have been more shrewd along the way we might have a Lombardi by now.

Keemun turned out better than the 3rd string guy OBrien told him he’d be that’s for sure.

 

[Texansballer74]

@steelbtexan I have a couple questions:

1 do you think OB is getting the best out of Watson ?

2 Who do you replace - Watson or OB ?

My answers -

1 Hell No.

2 OB because of 1 and the fact that Watson might actually improve in a system more suited to him. I'd prefer to do that before handing him the $35m but …. its doubtful OB is gone before Watson signs a new contract.

3 You aren't getting a more talented QB than Watson any time soon.
I might be looking for the next QB but its highly unlikely anyone I draft the next 2 years is anywhere close.

I know this wasn’t directed towards me. But

1. Heck to the F no.

2. He’s on record saying he prefer Allen over Watson. Lol

3. Like you stated O’Brien or Watson won’t be going anywhere no time soon. They just needs to find a common ground and go from there.

 

[steelbtexan]

Your opinion should be like this for everyone on this team not just O’Brien.

In two year’s we have had 10+ wins with Watson at QB. But he doesn’t get this same response from you. WHY????

We’ve won the division 2 out of the three years with Watson as our starting QB.

But his name get drugged through the shitters by you. Makes no sense bud.

Because DW4's basically the same QB he was as a rookie. I don't think he's improved much at all and don't think he's going to improve regardless of who the HC is. DW4 is who He is.

I truly hope I'm wrong because DW4's going to be here for another 5-7 years. Most likely BOB won't be so that should make the majority on this MB happy. I can't wait to see the blame/excuses made for DW4 with a new HC. This will be very entertaining.

 

[Texansballer74]

Because DW4's basically the same QB he was as a rookie. I don't think he's improved much at all and don't think he's going to improve regardless of who the HC is. DW4 is who He is.

I truly hope I'm wrong because DW4's going to be here for another 5-7 years. Most likely BOB won't be so that should make the majority on this MB happy. I can't wait to see the blame/excuses made for DW4 with a new HC. This will be very entertaining.

And O’Brien is the same HC since his rookie year. Dude continues to make the same mistakes. His teams continues to come lethargic and uninterested. His team continues to show great signs of mental weakness.

And you really think Watson progression should be that of a 5-10 year vet in year 2 +.

If O’Brien would stick to one freaking playbook, this entire team would perform better not just Watson. If RAC would get away from this weak ash bend but don’t break crap, his defense would play better imo.

 

[thunderkyss]

Interesting to see how even BO'bs strongest supporters sees the flaws, but won't admit a better coach would be better.

Sure, we may disagree with who a better coach is, but if 1 & done isn't good enough with a coach you hate (who never was 1 & done here) it shouldn't be ok with the coach you like.

Especially when both 1 & done performances were embarrassing home losses.

I'm a proponent for continuity. Is much rather stick with a guy who appears to be learning, improving.

But there's a problem if you can't see DW4 improve after three years but can't see O'Brien thread water for six years.

 

[steelbtexan]

And O’Brien is the same HC since his rookie year. Dude continues to make the same mistakes. His teams continues to come lethargic and uninterested. His team continues to show great signs of mental weakness.

And you really think Watson progression should be that of a 5-10 year vet in year 2 +.

If O’Brien would stick to one freaking playbook, this entire team would perform better not just Watson. If RAC would get away from this weak ash bend but don’t break crap, his defense would play better imo.

Yet they won 10 games with a schedule some on this MB said they would start out 0-6. Yes I think with 2 1/2 years of starting DW4 should be farther along than he is. Wilson was and he was coached Carl Smith.

I like the team specific gameplan. Does it put more learning responsibility on the players? Yes They should be able to handle it since it's their only job. If they cant then we need to get some players in here who can.

The reason I like this offense better than the WC offense is the WC offense tries to impose it's will on you. What happens when you cant impose your will on your opponent. Remember when fans here were complaining about the predictability of the WC offense under Kubiak? I sure do. Agreed about RAC.

 

[steelbtexan]

Interesting to see how even BO'bs strongest supporters sees the flaws, but won't admit a better coach would be better.

Sure, we may disagree with who a better coach is, but if 1 & done isn't good enough with a coach you hate (who never was 1 & done here) it shouldn't be ok with the coach you like.

Especially when both 1 & done performances were embarrassing home losses.

I'm a proponent for continuity. Is much rather stick with a guy who appears to be learning, improving.

But there's a problem if you can't see DW4 improve after three years but can't see O'Brien thread water for six years.

Oh I can see fine and I'm more than OK with getting a new HC but the new HC has to have a track record which is a clear upgrade. The 1 and done performances the Texans lost to the better team each yr.

I give BOB a pass for the 1st four yrs under the incompetence that was RS. Last yr I felt sorry for DW4 playing behind that OL and thought the future was bright. This yr things have been done to provide DW4 the protection and run game to allow them to beat anybody. Unfortunately despite the upgrades DW4's inconsistencies remain.

 

[Mangler]

Hopefully Cal fires O’Brien after the inevitable embarrassing loss come Saturday. If Watson manages to pull out a win despite such pathetic coaching, then hopefully Cal fires O’Brien after the Divisional Round loss. O’Brien’s pink slip has been long overdue.

 

[steelbtexan]

Hopefully Cal fires O’Brien after the inevitable embarrassing loss come Saturday. If Watson manages to pull out a win despite such pathetic coaching, then hopefully Cal fires O’Brien after the Divisional Round loss. O’Brien’s pink slip has been long overdue.

So just to be clear

If the Texans lose it's because of BOB

If the Texans win it's in spite of BOB

SMDH

 

[Texansballer74]

Yet they won 10 games with a schedule some on this MB said they would start out 0-6. Yes I think with 2 1/2 years of starting DW4 should be farther along than he is. Wilson was and he was coached Carl Smith.

I like the team specific gameplan. Does it put more learning responsibility on the players? Yes They should be able to handle it since it's their only job. If they cant then we need to get some players in here who can.

The reason I like this offense better than the WC offense is the WC offense tries to impose it's will on you. What happens when you cant impose your will on your opponent. Remember when fans here were complaining about the predictability of the WC offense under Kubiak? I sure do. Agreed about RAC.

Different offensive philosophy under Pete and crew. And Carl has only been here a year. So again your expectations is over board when it only comes to Watson. You do know it took Brady years to get this type of system down. A lot of players have said it takes at least 2-3 years to get a firm grasp on this type of system. Do you not see all the mistakes that are made by pretty much every offensive player. Linemen are consistently blowing blocking assignments. Wide receivers are consistently running the wrong routes. Especially when an audible is being called. In this system it is very important that the receivers see what the QB is seeing. That way they know when and where to break off their original route.

This is why you have to do what the Ravens and Chiefs are doing with their young QBs. And as time progresses, then you work in your specific game plan. The Patriots did it with Brady and The Colts did it with a young and struggling Manning.

 

[thunderkyss]

This yr things have been done to provide DW4 the protection and run game to allow them to beat anybody. Unfortunately despite the upgrades DW4's inconsistencies remain.

Do you see any inconsistencies in the run game?

 

[thunderkyss]

This is why you have to do what the Ravens and Chiefs are doing with their young QBs. And as time progresses, then you work in your specific game plan.

I am most likely wrong, but what the Ravens are doing is completely irresponsible.

I thought the same thing about the San Francisco with Kaepernick & Washington with RGIII.

The game those guys are playing will benefit the team (coach) in the short term, but doesn't help the player in the long run. Guys like that have a very short careers in the NFL.

These guys aren't like McNair, McNabb, Young, or Roger's (Luck).

These guys are the evolution of Vick. They throw better, sure. They read defenses better, yes. Still, this is Vick 2.4

The Patriots did it with Brady and The Colts did it with a young and struggling Manning.

The Chiefs yes. That's what Reid is doing with Mahomes. I believe BO'b is doing the same thing with Watson, but Watson isn't taking the liberty being afforded. To me it looks like he's trying too hard to succeed from the pocket.

 

[steelbtexan]

Do you see any inconsistencies in the run game?

I see to much consistency in the run game, particularly on 1st down.

 

[steelbtexan]

Different offensive philosophy under Pete and crew. And Carl has only been here a year. So again your expectations is over board when it only comes to Watson. You do know it took Brady years to get this type of system down. A lot of players have said it takes at least 2-3 years to get a firm grasp on this type of system. Do you not see all the mistakes that are made by pretty much every offensive player. Linemen are consistently blowing blocking assignments. Wide receivers are consistently running the wrong routes. Especially when an audible is being called. In this system it is very important that the receivers see what the QB is seeing. That way they know when and where to break off their original route.

This is why you have to do what the Ravens and Chiefs are doing with their young QBs. And as time progresses, then you work in your specific game plan. The Patriots did it with Brady and The Colts did it with a young and struggling Manning.

Brady took his team to a last second FG SB win in yr 2.

We should be seing more progress in 2 1/2 yrs. IMHO But how long do you think it will be before DW4 not only becomes more consistent in game and from game to game, unlike the crappy QB play we've witnessed in the last month. Instead of progressing I can make a case DW4's regressing.

 

[badboy]

I’ll state my usual response:

1. Young GM....Eliot Wolf. Encourage him to bring Alonzo Highsmith with him.

2. Big money needed for this next one. I’d put a big enough offer on the table to Dabo Sweeney that he’d have to swallow hard to get the words out that he couldn’t accept the offer. 6 years to rebuild the team since he’s being hamstrung by 2 subpar drafts b/c of picks and position. Share player personnel calls with both Wolf and Highsmith who are respected evaluators in their own right.

3. Sweeney gets complete control of staff and offensive / defensive schemes.

4. Sweeney would get complete control as to which players he’d like to retain b/c they fit his system.

5. Sweeney is a players coach in the mold of Pete Carroll. The only difference, Sweeney would be the better college coach b/c of the competition he faced annually from Alabama in both the recruiting arena and eventual face to face high stakes games.

All it takes is for Cal to acknowledge his and his Dad’s mistakes. Correct the mistakes and then pull out the checkbook to ink up a new beginning.

I wonder what he would do with Watson?

 

[banned1976]

I see to much consistency in the run game, particularly on 1st down.

Wow! Tell us more.

 

[steelbtexan]

Wow! Tell us more.

I think that post pretty much says what needs to be said.

 

[FuzzyLogic]

I know this won't even begin to change anyone's mind - but I like the comparison that was made in an earlier post, and Watson compares pretty favorably to Wilson in their first three years. So you can go by the 'eye test' and ignore stats, and I know I'll get the 'yeah but, Wilson won a Super Bowl' which is true but Seatle had the Legion of Boom and Beastmode while Houston has the Legion of BOO and a serviceable pair of running backs.

Wilson is a great quarterback - but he wasn't much further along in his development in year three than Watson is. After three years there were a lot of things Wilson still needed to improve, and he has done that. After two and a half years there is a boatload Watson needs to improve on, hopefully he continues to do the same.

The only real disagreement we have is that some think Watson is a finished product and can't/won't improve, and I think after three years he compares favorably to most successful QB's in their first three years. Yes, I wish we had the luxury of 'knowing' he will be a hall of famer before paying him like one, but that isn't how the NFL works.