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He could have his own little kingdom where he controls everything in high school
He has that now in the NFL
I think Watson & O'Brian have to share the blame.As much as I hate OB this loss is on Watson.
I agree with you on this
BOB should put in alot of things Watson's comfortable with like his college offense.
It doesn't have to be his college offense. It can be a version of the WCO or an Air Raid. Stop being ridiculous.
I don't know how you feel and I completely disagree with you.
No need to say this in every post.
I've got to say Steel that it is hard to make an argument for BoB's offense being good because not only has it not worked but even the QBs BoB has picked it hasn't worked with. Lets remove Watson from the equation as that was clearly the guy RS wanted, I'll even concede that Osweiler was an RS guy. Hoyer, Mallet and especially Savage were all BoB though. Hoyer you say he was just a bridge, fine. Mallet, however, he went out of his way to get and the guy didn't even last a season. The most damning evidence though is Savage, three years riding the bench being neck deep in studying and learning the BoB system and he looked decent for like what two games? Against teams that had planned and schemed for Osweiler as QB. Now you can say Savage just didn't have any talent, ok fine than why was he here for 3 years? Why keep pouring time and effort into a guy that clearly wasn't fit to even be a 2nd string QB much less the main guy.
We drafted Savage in the third round so it wasn't like he was just some scrub we took hoping that he could put his helmet on the right way. Third round QBs are a project sure but it was a project that was worked on for 3 years. The guy spent more time riding the bench than the entire rest of his NFL career combined. Pocket passers can't seem to make it work, game managers can't make it work, gun slingers can't make it work, what kind of QB can make it work? A guy that calls the whole thing from the line like Manning? So basically Watson has to be his own OC? What the hell kind of system is that to ask a QB to use, rookie or otherwise? That's not a talent thing that's a personal thing, Manning could do it not because the system was good but because Manning himself was so damn good at reading defenses.
Why do you disagree with me?
I’m not sure if you’re being sarcastic or deliberately obtuse. No one is calling for BOB to implement a college offense. Is Andy Reid running a college offense?
With the Rams and even the 49ers, they speed up the tempo to get to the LOS and are talking to the young QBs until the QB headsets are turned off around twelve seconds to go. That’s another simple example of how you can help a young QB.
Seems to me, you and BOB are more interested in the purity of the precious EP system than in winning football games.
It's easy to do
Agreed, BOB is asking Watson to be as smart as Brady/Manning. Not gonna happen.
True, but if you disagree with me you should tell me what you disagree with me about. Not speaking to you particularly.
How many other teams are asking their QBs to be as smart as Manning or Brady?
How many other teams are asking their QBs to be as smart as Manning or Brady?
I think Watson could run kubiaks offense brilliantly
Being smart has nothing to do with it. Watson read blitzes his rookie year, moved well in the pocket, was accurate downfield, and threw in the middle of the field. He didn't fall out of bed and forget how to play QB. OB is teaching him how to be this shitty. OB has a track record of it.
You keep mentioning the EP offense. I would counter that running the EP offense does not mean you stay in the shotgun formation 90% of the time.
There are things in the EP offense to simplify the game for a young QB. Take a look at how Andy Reid has integrated many of the Air Raid concepts into his WC offense to make things easier for Mahomes. Is it too much to ask for O’Brien to do something similar with his precious EP system?
The Steelers with Ben
Saints- Brees
Rivers
Rodgers etc...
Wilson
This is what you have to learn if you want to be a top level QB.
Wrong none of those teams are asking their QB to be as like or even as "smart" as Brady or Manning. They are creating schemes that take advantage of their QBs particular strengths and tries to shore up their weaknesses. Nobody asks Brees or Rivers to be duel threat QBs, nobody asks Newton or Mahomes to be a pocket passer yet according to you BoB is asking Watson to be Brady or Manning. If that is so then you are saying that BoB cannot design a scheme to fit Watson's strengths and shore up his weaknesses. In other words BoBs schemes only work if you get the perfect QB to fit it. Sometimes that does happen, look at Reid with Mahomes, but given that BoB thought that Hoyer, Mallet and Savage were also worth keeping and pouring resources into does BoB even know what kind of QB he needs to make it work? I'm seriously asking because so far none of them have INCLUDING Brady.
Wrong none of those teams are asking their QB to be as like or even as "smart" as Brady or Manning. They are creating schemes that take advantage of their QBs particular strengths and tries to shore up their weaknesses. Nobody asks Brees or Rivers to be duel threat QBs, nobody asks Newton or Mahomes to be a pocket passer yet according to you BoB is asking Watson to be Brady or Manning. If that is so then you are saying that BoB cannot design a scheme to fit Watson's strengths and shore up his weaknesses. In other words BoBs schemes only work if you get the perfect QB to fit it. Sometimes that does happen, look at Reid with Mahomes, but given that BoB thought that Hoyer, Mallet and Savage were also worth keeping and pouring resources into does BoB even know what kind of QB he needs to make it work? I'm seriously asking because so far none of them have INCLUDING Brady.
If the players are expected to perform at a high level on game day, Houston Texans head coach Bill O'Brien needs to clean up his performance also.
Through four weeks the Houston Texans are sitting at 2 and 2 in a four-way tie atop the AFC South. When every play counts in a season that only has 16 regular-season games, the Texans need all hands on deck....
They ask those guys to read defenses and make OL calls.
BOB has proven he can design an offense Watson can be successful in. Look at Watson's rookie yr.
Let's keep this simple. O'Brien has the tools he has. He has to make it work. If it's not working, it's on O'Brien. Then, you try to find someone else to make it work.
That's how it should be. I don't know if that's how it will be.
But that wasn’t OBs offense. It was someone’s else.
He sprinkled "concepts" from Clemson's offense in his rookie year, we didn't run an entirely new offense. I'm also fairly certain we have not abandoned those same concepts in the years since.
You mean keep it simple as in HELPING your quarterback understand how to BEAT a cover 4??? You mean a coach who is in the headset helping him decipher TRUE quarters coverage vs a shell deep 4??? No not that. Okay you mean keep it simple in the terms of just running the ball?? LOL I mean thats a pretty good way to beat cover 4. Deshaun did his part in trying to overcome the defense Carolina was running in that he kept dropping it off, more check downs yesterday than in any other Watson game to date, and thats all he could really do and yet people here are saying he cant read a defense or make the appropriate throws. Cover 4 is designed to take away big throws, and somehow OBrien played right into the teeth of the defense??? Why didnt he even TRY one of the sets from the previous week?? Run those trips/bunch/stacks and watch the defenders scramble around making a decision on whether to stay at home in a balanced D or lose shell integrity to accomodate the formation. This is all high school sht man. A professional team should not be struggling with these concepts.
I'm not being ridiculous at all.
Being ridiculous would be asking Watson to go from the EP system to the WC system in season. Just let Watson play in the offense he's most comfortable in and let the chips fall where they may.
He sprinkled "concepts" from Clemson's offense in his rookie year, we didn't run an entirely new offense. I'm also fairly certain we have not abandoned those same concepts in the years since.
Not sure I agree with this, right after that rookie year the offense scheme looked more like the one used by Hoyer and Osweiler just with a QB that actually had talent. We may not have completely abandoned it but it sure as hell was changed up to more fit the offense BoB likes to run.
Disagree. The offense is night and day compared to Watson’s rookie year.
If we didn’t have a Watson run or other heriocs I could swear I still see Fitzpatrick/Hoyer/Mallet/Savage back there.
Very different in my opinion.
Being smart has nothing to do with it. Watson read blitzes his rookie year, moved well in the pocket, was accurate downfield, and threw in the middle of the field. He didn't fall out of bed and forget how to play QB. OB is teaching him how to be this shitty. OB has a track record of it.
If OB wants to help Watson.....simple, go back to the offensive gameplans created for Watson's first 7 games. He still has them I bet. I think the OL and skill positions are light years better than the players available in Watson's first 7 games so I could only conclude the results would be better.
Now for the reality. OB would never entertain this idea b/c if Watson and the offense suddenly go on tear what kind of light does that shed on OB's offense? It would be a gut punch that screams his system is not an NFL scheme and possibly not even a successful college scheme. No way OB does this.....the risk of the teams success and his failure would be out there for all to see.
But that wasn’t OBs offense. It was someone’s else.
So we've gone from: do anything to protect Watson, who is the future, and with obrien given full control he now can set the franchise right by overpaying for tunsil and stills and tytus and Max to protect the QB he's always been looking for.
To: Watson is dumb and let him get injured and move on
Because of one game where obrien called a Hopkins pass in the redzone that cost the game.
If I were writing a movie script i would think no character could be this believably dumb and I would rewrite
Haha
You guys with all these long, well intentioned, well informed, well thought out, meanigful posts on and on on this board and yet we get the answer after EVERY game.
"Gotta get better, gotta coach better"
That's it! Nothing else needed! What more do you want??
But that wasn’t OBs offense. It was someone’s else.
If OB wants to help Watson.....simple, go back to the offensive gameplans created for Watson's first 7 games. He still has them I bet. I think the OL and skill positions are light years better than the players available in Watson's first 7 games so I could only conclude the results would be better.
Now for the reality. OB would never entertain this idea b/c if Watson and the offense suddenly go on tear what kind of light does that shed on OB's offense? It would be a gut punch that screams his system is not an NFL scheme and possibly not even a successful college scheme. No way OB does this.....the risk of the teams success and his failure would be out there for all to see.
He was smart enough to use it.
He needs to be smart enough to go back to it since his QB isn't smart enough to run BOB's offense correctly.
Gotta disagree
That the EP System isn't right for Watson isn't an indictment of BOB or the use of the EP system. Many QB's have run this system to great success.
He was smart enough to use it.
He needs to be smart enough to go back to it since his QB isn't smart enough to run BOB's offense correctly.
Gotta disagree
That the EP System isn't right for Watson isn't an indictment of BOB or the use of the EP system. Many QB's have run this system to great success.
For the most part everyone who actually likes WAtson has been critical of his play yesterday, but the spotlight is not on WAtson, but on the plays WAtson is asked to run.
Dude gets pressured on 60% of the passing downs and its his fault because he doesnt see the blitz and doesnt get rid of the ball in .4 seconds. Maybe the so called "HOT" read should actually know he's a "HOT" read and you know, look up notice the defense, know his role, look for the ball, instead of just sprinting to the sideline or 20 yards down the seam.
You know if you want to criticize Watson thats cool, plenty to nitpick about, but when a guy does that and finds no time to throw in that OBrien is handicapping the kid, then its just hot air coming from an OBrien Fluffer to me.
Not fair that OBrien Haters (Me! ME!) are supposed to remain level and acknowledge that Watson has flaws and tendencies, but that OBrien is some kind of savant or that his "system" is infallible.