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FIRE O'BRIEN NOW!!!
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What's the point of him if the plan is to let Watson get hurt?
The team will be very successful for a short time and then you move on, instead of being stuck in limbo like they are currently in.
So how does that make the Tunsil trade worth it? You don't need him to let Watson get hurt
Max
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I'm not sure that any of us know what Cal's going to do at this point. I wouldn't be surprised in the least if BOB gets canned mid-season. And yes, running the offense Watson is most comfortable w/ would seem like a smart thing for a coach to do -- back against the wall or not. I just don't think we need to go whole hog Clemson offense like we did W's first 6 games. Mix some of it in, roll the pocket, get Duke involved and shorten the game up for Watson until this thing gets rolling again. We need to get defenses to tap the brakes and there's no reason to right now.
Max
Veteran
He has the ability to. We basically installed Clemson's offense on the fly W's rookie year so tweaking things could be solved in a couple of practices. It's a matter of whether or not he's smart enough to do it. So far, he's either not smart enough or too damn stubborn to give up on some utopian offense that he has in his head. Either one doesn't work.
Which QB can run OBriens bad system well?
Any top 10 QB.
You have to be smart though.
Rivers would be a good example/Ben has run it before/I would like to see what Wilson could do.
Ben ran OBriens system?
The EP system. Yes
The EP system puts all of the protection calls on the QB and so far Watson hasn't been mentally up to the challenge. Hopefully this changes.
This doesn't look like a well coached ep system. It has looked terrible with every QB.
TheMatrix31
Hall of Fame
With better coaching, he might end up so.
O'Brien's shittiness ended up convincing me to trade Hopkins for Kittle. A normally insane trade, I don't foresee any situation that Hopkins is good enough for me to hold unless O'Brien gets fired and the new coach learns how to use Watson and Hopkins.
If that happens, I'll gladly pay that fantasy price for real life success.
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
Dumbarse!!!!! Consult your Magic 8 Ball before throwing that Challenge Flag next time.
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
Wait.....before the texans allow OB to apply the finishing touches on destroying a potential Franchise QB, let's talk him into trading him this season and recouping the picks he didn't have to cough up to obtain Tunsil. Watson could probably garner even a better haul since OB hasn't fully destroyed him to date.....there's a FQB and talent to be salvaged by the right team. Turn the team over to McCarron.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Steelbtexan went from protecting Watson at all cost to lets run him in the ground until he gets hurt.
Now Watson is on this man's hit list. Why the change of heart?
Still no accountability for Bill O'brien. You're still giving this horrible coach a pass.
Now Watson is on this man's hit list. Why the change of heart?
Still no accountability for Bill O'brien. You're still giving this horrible coach a pass.
amazing80
Hall of Fame
Because he didn’t want Watson to begin with.
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Texansballer74
The Marine
It is very clear dude is stubborn. We're not just talking about 1 quarterback who went through this system under Bill O'Brien. In six years around 18 quarterbacks have gone through this system and failed miserably under Obrien's coaching. That right there should suggest two things.
1. He is too dam stubborn, therefore he's not going to change his skit up.
2. He doesn't know wtf he is doing. Plain and simple
nut
Veteran
Never wanted BO from the git-go. Besides being a terrible coach and the worst clock manager in the history of all sports, he has destroyed any value in tickets if you are a season ticket holder and unable to go to the game. The tickets are unselleable at half the price you paid for them. You also have to pay for those horrible preseason games. BO is responsible for the franchise sinking into the toilet and apathy running rampant. Other than that, I'm sure he's a great guy.
Texansballer74
The Marine
This dude is hilarious. Now the man wants Watson to get hurt. I mean who says that kind of stuff. You should never wish ill-will on these players.
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Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
Gutsy move? Must be a fine line between gutsy and stupid then. OB is in his 6th year here and if he’s proven anything it isn’t that he’s had all these “obstacles” in his way, it’s that he can’t work with anyone.
So now everybody is out of the way and still nothing’s changed. It’s the same ol sputtering offense it’s been for 6 years. Sure, it has its moments, the 6 TD game by Fitz, the 50 burger by Watson, both against the Titans BTW, and there’s a handful of others, but this offense has been a bastion of inconsistency for 6 years, and it doesn’t matter that what the pieces are. Fitz, Hoyer, Mallett, Keenum, Osweiler, Savage, Watson, it all looks the same. Sure, Watson’s athletic ability gives it a little different feel, a chance to turn some of the absolute crap into something positive on occasion, but it’s the same stale offense that doesn’t take advantage of player’s strengths, no matter who those players are, for SIX FREAKING YEARS!
If I’m Cal McNair, wake the **** up!!!
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TexansBull
Hall of Fame
OB can’t coach it.
OB is holding the recipe card but can’t show anyone how to cook. That’s on him.
This offense looks the same whether he has Fitzpatrick, Mallet, Yates, Hoyer or Savage back there.
You can’t put this on Watson.
The problem is with OB. He is always the common denominator.
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
I don’t think the players will quit the way the players quit on Wade in Dallas.
Too much leadership in the locker room. Too much integrity.
ATXtexanfan
Hall of Fame
Wouldn't the value in a winning culture be they wont quit on you?
Smart move by OB
Smart move by OB
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
Its really pathetic. as much as Obrien gets piled on - rightfully and unrightfully so around here - never has the call for a stroke or heart attack been made. people who go around wishing others harm or injury are just an example of a poor upbringing. If my daddy was still around to hear me talk like that he would "rearrange my thought process" for me, and so until this day that sticks with me when I become critical of ANYONE. There is a line that should never be crossed.
Further exasperated by the fact that those same type of people are defending a man who continues to make the same mistakes OVER AND OVER AND OVER. All the while the excuses mount, and scapegoats are created and then a small window of optimism, but we are who we are. The same AHoles who promote injury and turmoil will always be those same AHoles. Bill OBrien will always be horrible with clock management and challenge usage. Its who he is. His offense will always be middling not because Watson cant read a defense or bark out blocking assignments, but because the offense itself is flawed. Its a systemic problem.
LOL like Lance and John said on the way in to the office this morning - "Bill OBrien is good at one thing, GETTING PEOPLE FIRED!!"
I hate to bring up a NSZ example since I abhor that room and the ideas that get tossed around, but everyone who follows and supports OBrien is very similar to Trump supporters. Show them the mistakes, and they will deflect and bring up Rick Smith. Show them the poor decision making, and they will blame Deshaun. Bring video and play charts and analytics into the conversation and they will just fold their arms and pout.
Most Texan fans are viewed as jokes on a national level and judging by some of the cringe inducing comments here it would be a fair assertion.
Are you saying O’Brien needs a top 10 QB for his offense to work? During Peyton Manning’s time with the Colts, his center made the line calls. Are you saying not making line calls would disqualify Manning from running O’Brien’s prolific EP offense?
What are you trying to say?
I'm saying Watson cant run BOB's offense so they should go back to the offense that was used the first yr Watson was playing.
Yes, since Watson struggles to call protections BOB should let Martin call them. He couldn't do worse.
This is O'Brien's offense being run properly. This is how it has always looked.
It's a dumb Penn State offense.
The problem is the scheme
I know how you feel and I dont totally disagree with you.
No need to say this in every post.
I said Watson cant run a pro style offense consistently.
I also have said 1. BOB should've been let go when RS left. 2. BOB called a terrible game yesterday 3. Watson was worse than BOB yesterday and that took alot of effort.
maverick512000
Hall of Fame
I've got to say Steel that it is hard to make an argument for BoB's offense being good because not only has it not worked but even the QBs BoB has picked it hasn't worked with. Lets remove Watson from the equation as that was clearly the guy RS wanted, I'll even concede that Osweiler was an RS guy. Hoyer, Mallet and especially Savage were all BoB though. Hoyer you say he was just a bridge, fine. Mallet, however, he went out of his way to get and the guy didn't even last a season. The most damning evidence though is Savage, three years riding the bench being neck deep in studying and learning the BoB system and he looked decent for like what two games? Against teams that had planned and schemed for Osweiler as QB. Now you can say Savage just didn't have any talent, ok fine than why was he here for 3 years? Why keep pouring time and effort into a guy that clearly wasn't fit to even be a 2nd string QB much less the main guy.
We drafted Savage in the third round so it wasn't like he was just some scrub we took hoping that he could put his helmet on the right way. Third round QBs are a project sure but it was a project that was worked on for 3 years. The guy spent more time riding the bench than the entire rest of his NFL career combined. Pocket passers can't seem to make it work, game managers can't make it work, gun slingers can't make it work, what kind of QB can make it work? A guy that calls the whole thing from the line like Manning? So basically Watson has to be his own OC? What the hell kind of system is that to ask a QB to use, rookie or otherwise? That's not a talent thing that's a personal thing, Manning could do it not because the system was good but because Manning himself was so damn good at reading defenses.
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
As bad a day as Watson had, he did not squander a golden opportunity in the redzone that could have won the game.
This one is definitely on O'Brien. He needs to go.
maverick512000
Hall of Fame
I'd say its on both, Watson was making some bad mistakes but when BoB saw that it wasn't working he should have switched it up to something different if for no other reason than to maybe stop defenses from blitzing the hell out of Watson. Watson had a bad game no question but Bob continued to let him have a bad game rather than deviate from the system.
I don't know how you feel and I completely disagree with you.
No need to say this in every post.
I’m all for that turd to be gone. Been wanting that for the last two years. And while I don’t think OB did a good job coaching in this game had Watson connected on either of the two passes he over threw when the WR was wide open, we win this game. Watson should have at least 6 more TDS than he does right now. He is as bad as Matt Shaub at throwing the deep ball.
You keep mentioning the EP offense. I would counter that running the EP offense does not mean you stay in the shotgun formation 90% of the time.
There are things in the EP offense to simplify the game for a young QB. Take a look at how Andy Reid has integrated many of the Air Raid concepts into his WC offense to make things easier for Mahomes. Is it too much to ask for O’Brien to do something similar with his precious EP system?
If they actually do work up the balls to fire O'Brian it will be interesting to watch the Texans shiny new flat organizational structure handle firing & hiring a HC & a Gm all while trying to sign our upcoming free agents. Oh yeah, and getting ready for the draft & getting a new coaching staff all at once.
I guess it will fall to Jack Easterby & Chris Olsen if they survive to handle it all.
I guess it will fall to Jack Easterby & Chris Olsen if they survive to handle it all.
I agree with you on this
BOB should put in alot of things Watson's comfortable with like his college offense.
amazing80
Hall of Fame
It doesn't have to be his college offense. It can be a version of the WCO or an Air Raid. Stop being ridiculous.
I think Watson could run kubiaks offense brilliantly
I think OBrien might be more comfortable coaching high school
Probably be a lot more dropouts
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