FIRE O'BRIEN NOW!!!

[steelbtexan]

How so? Second time i've heard this and i am not seeing a guy who has a hurt knee on the field. If Watson is being more careful as a runner it would be because he just had his dang lung punctured by a LB against that same Dallas team that you are saying Obrien wasnt going to risk Watson. Not anything to do with his knees, not one bit.

Its interesting that last year it was 'he's running too much whats going on' ..... and now its turning into "he needs to run more or its evidence that his knees are hurt" ... wierd.

True,

It's the lung not the knee. IMHO.

With all of the pressure Watson's looking skittish to me. That's understandable. If he can limit the turnovers, which he did until this last game the Texans will have a chance to win most games if they can make plays at the end of the game. But they really need Fairbairn to be clutch.

 

[Mr teX]

True,

It's the lung not the knee. IMHO.

With all of the pressure Watson's looking skittish to me. That's understandable. If he can limit the turnovers, which he did until this last game the Texans will have a chance to win most games if they can make plays at the end of the game. But they really need Fairbairn to be clutch.

DW4 is like any other qb..if you hit him enough, he'll get happy feet & his clock will speed up. He looked fine the 1st couple of drives when he wasn't being hit. Before Fulton & Kelemete went down we were moving the ball well on the ground and in the air. So it's not a coincidence that as soon as those 2 went down, Washington began to heat DW4 up; They smelled blood & we couldn't do anything after that.

 

[Mr teX]

What about the Gronk catch in a 4 point game that ended up leading to a touchdown in game 1? You know the whole "its not my job to challenge those plays" game. OBrien has lost games for this team with his decision making, and that is not even debateable anymore. I've chilled out since the team is winning, but this isnt a well coached team by any stretch of the imagination.

As if the challenge was a foregone conclusion to be overturned. Only to those who hate the guy is it not debateable.

 

[Uncle Rico]

As if the challenge was a foregone conclusion to be overturned. Only to those who hate the guy is it not debateable.

so you are saying Bill O'Brien has not directly impacted the loss column with his own bad decisions? Really?

edit: context crept up on me slowly in my old age .. in respect to that individual play, the way NE was reacting and the urgency they showed would lead any sensible person to at least question the play, and especially not get defensive and resort to the 'not my job' line.

 

[Uncle Rico]

True,

It's the lung not the knee. IMHO.

With all of the pressure Watson's looking skittish to me. That's understandable. If he can limit the turnovers, which he did until this last game the Texans will have a chance to win most games if they can make plays at the end of the game. But they really need Fairbairn to be clutch.

and the defense to show up on game deciding drives.

 

[ObsiWan]

As if the challenge was a foregone conclusion to be overturned. Only to those who hate the guy is it not debateable.

It's the "not my job....." part that's more irritating.
Having been part of the NE coaching staff, O'Brien really should have known that Brady's hurrying to the line meant the Pats weren't sure the play was legal.
That would have been enough to throw the challenge flag.

 

[Mr teX]

It's the "not my job....." part that's more irritating.
Having been part of the NE coaching staff, O'Brien really should have known that Brady's hurrying to the line meant the Pats weren't sure the play was legal.
That would have been enough to throw the challenge flag.

No...sometimes its done more just to make you think that something is amiss to force you into making a mistake that could cost you later; like maybe using a TO or challenge for something that you might need later in the half/game. All the greats do that stuff. Manning was famous for it. The situation for NE was, time was running down, they only had 1 TO left & they just ripped off a 30 yard chunk play...They all had to cover 30 yards of distance, get to the LOS & get set quickly so as to preserve clock.

Wish people would stop with this thought that that 1 no-challenge was like the biggest mistake ever b/c it wasn't.

it was in the 1st half...whole half of football still left to be played.

2, you don't want to stop the clock for NE in that scenario & allow them to gather themselves... it was only 20 something seconds left in the half & they still had 1 TO left.............which they used right after the hurry up play to stop the clock.

3rd, That particular play only put the pats in FG range....barely like the 35 yard line or something. There were still 4-5 more plays after the gronk catch/no catch that the defense could've stood up & held them to a FG. Obviously, they failed.

Finally 4th, the thought that it would've definitely been overturned if he had challenged is hindsight at its finest. To act like that play was the one that "cost us the game" b/c he didn't challenge it as opposed to say the very 1st play in the game where DW4 fumbled and gave NE a short field, or any other bad play by the players that had next to nothing to do with BoB is silly.

 

[Porky]

IMHO, BOB is not a good HC. Is he the worst in the league? No, I can think of several cases where I'd take BOB over the alternative. Dallas, Cleveland, Jets, Denver, Bills, Lions, Raiders, Bengals, Giants and Bucs come to mind. Might be one or two others. So, I guess I'd place him somewhere between the high teens and low 20's.

His clock management and in-game decisions are still highly suspect. His offense is completely unimaginative, doesn't make full use of the weapons available, it's predictable to the point of ridiculous, and his play calling at a granular micro level sucks in the worst possible way.

OTOH, I give him some points for cultivating a culture of tough-minded team first, never say die guys that seem to find a way week after week. He deserves some credit for that, and at the macro big picture level, I think he's pretty good.

I think he could really benefit from hiring a REAL OC. Not some brain dead BOB yes sir clone, but an autonomous play designer/caller that can take the basics of BOB's offense and really hone it into something special. With some help on the Oline the pieces are there to have a top 5 offense, but not if BOB calls plays since he S-U-C-K-S at it.

The problem is that BOB is a SOB and a control freak with a big ego that fancies himself as some sort of offensive savant. I'm not sure any really good OC would want to work under BOB. But I think that would be a hugely important/favorable hire if it could happen.

 

[ObsiWan]

No...sometimes its done more just to make you think that something is amiss to force you into making a mistake that could cost you later; like maybe using a TO or challenge for something that you might need later in the half/game. All the greats do that stuff. Manning was famous for it. The situation for NE was, time was running down, they only had 1 TO left & they just ripped off a 30 yard chunk play...They all had to cover 30 yards of distance, get to the LOS & get set quickly so as to preserve clock.

Wish people would stop with this thought that that 1 no-challenge was like the biggest mistake ever b/c it wasn't.
true, we've all seen worse.

it was in the 1st half...whole half of football still left to be played.

2, you don't want to stop the clock for NE in that scenario & allow them to gather themselves... it was only 20 something seconds left in the half & they still had 1 TO left.............which they used right after the hurry up play to stop the clock. Throwing the challenge flag also gives your defense time to get themselves together and get ready for what NE might do next. And sometimes you stop the clock to break up the offense's hot streak/rhythm (see basketball)

3rd, That particular play only put the pats in FG range....barely like the 35 yard line or something. There were still 4-5 more plays after the gronk catch/no catch that the defense could've stood up & held them to a FG. Obviously, they failed. True. But if it wasn't a catch take away a big play and put them in a hole.

Finally 4th, the thought that it would've definitely been overturned if he had challenged is hindsight at its finest. To act like that play was the one that "cost us the game" b/c he didn't challenge it as opposed to say the very 1st play in the game where DW4 fumbled and gave NE a short field, or any other bad play by the players that had next to nothing to do with BoB is silly.

you make some good points but skipped over the part that irritated me most, the "not my job..." thing.

Well whose job is it to keep the other team from getting away with shaky plays if not the HC??
Had O'Brien said, "we saw that but didn't think the officials would overturn it..." Well, okay. At least they looked.
but "not my job..." ...."

 

[Corrosion]

What about the Gronk catch in a 4 point game that ended up leading to a touchdown in game 1? You know the whole "its not my job to challenge those plays" game. OBrien has lost games for this team with his decision making, and that is not even debatable anymore. I've chilled out since the team is winning, but this isnt a well coached team by any stretch of the imagination.

Both plays (Gronk Catch and the fake punt) were the difference in a close game.

That's his job as head coach …. to make a difference when the opportunity presents itself.

He sucks at his job.

Take away those two plays and this is a one loss team , not a team that started 0-3.

Never accept in victory what you would complain about in defeat.

No , this isn't a well coached team ….

 

[Shishkabob]

Don't forget the other INT.
It gave the Texans the ball at the Skins 22
They lost 4 yards, but were still in FG range.
That FG was also needed.

That field goal sure would have helped had we made it...

 

[Uncle Rico]

Both plays (Gronk Catch and the fake punt) were the difference in a close game.

That's his job as head coach …. to make a difference when the opportunity presents itself.

He sucks at his job.

Take away those two plays and this is a one loss team , not a team that started 0-3.

Never accept in victory what you would complain about in defeat.

No , this isn't a well coached team ….

That is the point that I have been trying to reach. Our record indicates we are a dominant team. Those of us in the loop wouldnt go that far, yes we are a winning team, but if you break down all the games you arent left with an overwhelming fuzzy feeling. Its the annual Apocalypto Bill Obrien Playoff Game sacrifice scene, but hey we make the playoffs we HAVE to go right? LOL and dont get me wrong I love the team, its fun to celebrate wins, but in the end winning in the postseason is what its all about. If Bill Obrien in year 5 isnt making the same mistakes he made in year 1 this team would be 9-1 and overflowing with confidence even with a shoddy offensive line and fighting off the injury bug. You would have signature wins scattered about with the lucky ones .. thats the signs of destiny. Some guys say 'all the coaches make those mistakes" .. and thats right, but isnt it easier to deal with those brain farts when those said coaches have already won something? Bill Obrien said it himself, and I think more than in a team setting it applies to him the most. YOU HAVENT WON ANYTHING YET BILL. Watson is a high school and college champion, he knows how to win. Im sure there are other players who have reached the pinnacle at some level on their way to the pros. Bill Obrien is touted as this New England coaching savant, but he wasnt even a part of one of their championship years only part of the 2 teams that lost to the Giants. Strange huh?

 

[welsh texan]

That is the point that I have been trying to reach. Our record indicates we are a dominant team. Those of us in the loop wouldnt go that far, yes we are a winning team, but if you break down all the games you arent left with an overwhelming fuzzy feeling. Its the annual Apocalypto Bill Obrien Playoff Game sacrifice scene, but hey we make the playoffs we HAVE to go right? LOL and dont get me wrong I love the team, its fun to celebrate wins, but in the end winning in the postseason is what its all about. If Bill Obrien in year 5 isnt making the same mistakes he made in year 1 this team would be 9-1 and overflowing with confidence even with a shoddy offensive line and fighting off the injury bug. You would have signature wins scattered about with the lucky ones .. thats the signs of destiny. Some guys say 'all the coaches make those mistakes" .. and thats right, but isnt it easier to deal with those brain farts when those said coaches have already won something? Bill Obrien said it himself, and I think more than in a team setting it applies to him the most. YOU HAVENT WON ANYTHING YET BILL. Watson is a high school and college champion, he knows how to win. Im sure there are other players who have reached the pinnacle at some level on their way to the pros. Bill Obrien is touted as this New England coaching savant, but he wasnt even a part of one of their championship years only part of the 2 teams that lost to the Giants. Strange huh?

I think it is unfair to criticise BOB for being 7-3 instead of 9-1. Its been a season of close wins and losses, and the record speaks for itself, he's outcoached the opposition 7 times out of 10 and the trend is upwards on coaching performance.

He still has plenty to answer for with this OL being the way it is, although they have found a way to get by despite it.

I still have my suspicions about the effectiveness of this scheme overall as I've seen the Offense grind to a halt in the second half of games, it hasn't been comfortable watching. I do think he may be trying to limit what he puts on tape to keep the wrinkles for when he needs them, I do think Watson opens things up when he starts moving and that naturally slows down when we have a lead due to his health. I can understand the turtle to an extent, its just that nagging doubt as to whether we can sustain for 4 qtrs. when required.

If they can get through the next 3 weeks unscathed then they are in the playoffs, who knows they may end up in line for a bye. It'll be fun to see them in with a chance.

The offseason will be huge, a massive uptick in strength of schedule is coming next season and it wont be easy to maintain, OB better decide what the hell he wants his OL to do and get a memo to Gaine in time for draft and FA.

 

[TheKDog]

The offense is still bottom 10. Maybe bottom 5 after this week.

If he was just the OC, a lot more would be calling for him to be fired.

Do we not think Watson can run an offense like we saw in the KC vs LAR games last night? I don't believe O'Brien can build offenses like that.

 

[Jadmakaveli]

BoB can scheme a offense an elite offense yes it has shown. But this season he has said NOPE we going back to running basic ass offense. Only thing carried over is that same fake end around that we run at least 2 times a game. We don’t run anything special at all.

 

[steelbtexan]

That is the point that I have been trying to reach. Our record indicates we are a dominant team. Those of us in the loop wouldnt go that far, yes we are a winning team, but if you break down all the games you arent left with an overwhelming fuzzy feeling. Its the annual Apocalypto Bill Obrien Playoff Game sacrifice scene, but hey we make the playoffs we HAVE to go right? LOL and dont get me wrong I love the team, its fun to celebrate wins, but in the end winning in the postseason is what its all about. If Bill Obrien in year 5 isnt making the same mistakes he made in year 1 this team would be 9-1 and overflowing with confidence even with a shoddy offensive line and fighting off the injury bug. You would have signature wins scattered about with the lucky ones .. thats the signs of destiny. Some guys say 'all the coaches make those mistakes" .. and thats right, but isnt it easier to deal with those brain farts when those said coaches have already won something? Bill Obrien said it himself, and I think more than in a team setting it applies to him the most. YOU HAVENT WON ANYTHING YET BILL. Watson is a high school and college champion, he knows how to win. Im sure there are other players who have reached the pinnacle at some level on their way to the pros. Bill Obrien is touted as this New England coaching savant, but he wasnt even a part of one of their championship years only part of the 2 teams that lost to the Giants. Strange huh?

Fair enough.

So you think the Texans have the talent to win a SB this yr? LOL

If the talent isn't there and it isn't, then I think you have unrealistic expectations when it comes to BOB.

Lets give him atleast 1 offseason with Gaine with a full compliment of draft picks to add talent and then we can try to make a judgement on BOB. Actually since he would be starting 2 rookie OT's and Rankin at LG if it was me I would actually give him 2 yrs.

 

[TheKDog]

BoB can scheme a offense an elite offense yes it has shown. But this season he has said NOPE we going back to running basic ass offense. Only thing carried over is that same fake end around that we run at least 2 times a game. We don’t run anything special at all.

5 games from last year starting to look like it really was just the Clemson offense after all. I know people were joking but maybe it's true.

 

[TheKDog]

Fair enough.

So you think the Texans have the talent to win a SB this yr? LOL

If the talent isn't there and it isn't, then I think you have unrealistic expectations when it comes to BOB.

Lets give him atleast 1 offseason with Gaine with a full compliment of draft picks to add talent and then we can try to make a judgement on BOB. Actually since he would be starting 2 rookie OT's and Rankin at LG if it was me I would actually give him 2 yrs.

Well he traded a 4th so no full compliment of draft picks next year.

 

[NitroGSXR]

5 games from last year starting to look like it really was just the Clemson offense after all. I know people were joking but maybe it's true.

Can you expand on that? It’s the first I’ve heard of it.

 

[TheKDog]

Can you expand on that? It’s the first I’ve heard of it.

Allegedly the changed offense from last year was the Clemson offense. Then he revamped the offense this year and it just looks like the same offense he used with Fitzpatrick, Mallet and Osweiler.

 

[santo]

Allegedly the changed offense from last year was the Clemson offense. Then he revamped the offense this year and it just looks like the same offense he used with Fitzpatrick, Mallet and Osweiler.

Don't forget Hoyer and Savage. lol

After watching the offenses from this weekend, man it makes me sad. And while people are saying we don't have the talent, guess who is the one evaluating that talent. It starts at the top.

 

[Shishkabob]

Allegedly the changed offense from last year was the Clemson offense. Then he revamped the offense this year and it just looks like the same offense he used with Fitzpatrick, Mallet and Osweiler.

unfortunately the key to O'Brien's offense has been lost for the year, and he hasn't figured a way to scheme his way around it yet.

 

[TheKDog]

unfortunately the key to O'Brien's offense has been lost for the year, and he hasn't figured a way to scheme his way around it yet.

Even with Will Fuller they scored 22 points or less in 5 of 7 games.

 

[Jadmakaveli]

5 games from last year starting to look like it really was just the Clemson offense after all. I know people were joking but maybe it's true.

Yea it had a lot of Clemson elements but I honestly don't know why they went away from it this year.
Truthfully after that fumble against Pats first play of the game Its almost like BoB was like screw this we going back to my offense.

 

[Uncle Rico]

I think it is unfair to criticise BOB for being 7-3 instead of 9-1. Its been a season of close wins and losses, and the record speaks for itself, he's outcoached the opposition 7 times out of 10 and the trend is upwards on coaching performance.

He still has plenty to answer for with this OL being the way it is, although they have found a way to get by despite it.

I still have my suspicions about the effectiveness of this scheme overall as I've seen the Offense grind to a halt in the second half of games, it hasn't been comfortable watching. I do think he may be trying to limit what he puts on tape to keep the wrinkles for when he needs them, I do think Watson opens things up when he starts moving and that naturally slows down when we have a lead due to his health. I can understand the turtle to an extent, its just that nagging doubt as to whether we can sustain for 4 qtrs. when required.

If they can get through the next 3 weeks unscathed then they are in the playoffs, who knows they may end up in line for a bye. It'll be fun to see them in with a chance.

The offseason will be huge, a massive uptick in strength of schedule is coming next season and it wont be easy to maintain, OB better decide what the hell he wants his OL to do and get a memo to Gaine in time for draft and FA.

the bolded is simply not true, but the italicized is. I would definitely agree that this team needs another offseason or two before being championship contenders, but what if, WHAT IF the Texans find themselves in a win at all cost moment and its in the hands of O'Brien? With the upwards trend has to come learning by mistakes and not committing the same ones, so in that respect he is getting 'better' I guess but then he'll do something that makes you wonder what in the hell he was thinking and then the cycle of abuse repeats itself.

 

[Uncle Rico]

Fair enough.

So you think the Texans have the talent to win a SB this yr? LOL

If the talent isn't there and it isn't, then I think you have unrealistic expectations when it comes to BOB.

Lets give him atleast 1 offseason with Gaine with a full compliment of draft picks to add talent and then we can try to make a judgement on BOB. Actually since he would be starting 2 rookie OT's and Rankin at LG if it was me I would actually give him 2 yrs.

No I dont think they have the talent, but they apparently have luck on their side, and if this team finds itself in a winner take all scenario I dont have any confidence that O'Brien will be a catalyst for that type of win, with or without the talent. Yes their line is in shambles, but they are still winning right? We have to show up for the playoff game, GULP what if we win! Luck or not you keep playing. At some point a valuable coach will have to present himself in that type of run, it wont be all luck or all about the players.

 

[steelbtexan]

Well he traded a 4th so no full compliment of draft picks next year.

The 2nd more than replaces the 4th.

 

[steelbtexan]

No I dont think they have the talent, but they apparently have luck on their side, and if this team finds itself in a winner take all scenario I dont have any confidence that O'Brien will be a catalyst for that type of win, with or without the talent. Yes their line is in shambles, but they are still winning right? We have to show up for the playoff game, GULP what if we win! Luck or not you keep playing. At some point a valuable coach will have to present himself in that type of run, it wont be all luck or all about the players.

With the talent on hand I think BOB has done a good job this yr.

Not a great job, they would be 9-1 with a great job, a top 10-15 type job. But a good job.

 

[TheKDog]

With the talent on hand I think BOB has done a good job this yr.

Not a great job, they would be 9-1 with a great job, a top 10-15 type job. But a good job.

How would you rate him as an OC?

 

[Corrosion]

, he's outcoached the opposition 7 times out of 10

.

I don't buy that.

In those games the team won , they won on talent. They were the better team and there were no instances where OB was put in a position to make a game changing decision.

In two of those three losses - He had a chance to make a difference and didn't.

The talent gap will shrink in the post season and coaching decisions will matter more than against teams you are much more talented than.


I don't think there's a single person on this forum who believes OB is a difference maker as a head coach or as a play caller. It's pretty clear that he's been a liability so far.


I'll just ask you one question - Are you confident that he wont get out coached by the opposition in a playoff setting ?!

With the talent on hand I think BOB has done a good job this yr.

Not a great job, they would be 9-1 with a great job, a top 10-15 type job. But a good job.

He's had two chances to make a difference and failed at both …. that's NOT a good job.

The opportunities for a HC to make a difference are generally few ….

I call him average at best.

 

[welsh texan]

I don't buy that.

In those games the team won , they won on talent. They were the better team and there were no instances where OB was put in a position to make a game changing decision.

In two of those three losses - He had a chance to make a difference and didn't.

The talent gap will shrink in the post season and coaching decisions will matter more than against

I absolutely do not trust OBrien in a critical situation when it matters.

I suspect he turtles way quicker than any coach I've seen although due to the awful nature of his play calling and scheme it is difficult to tell.

Game on the line decisions, we've seen a few opposing coaches make very poor ones during this run we're on.

In terms of the level of talent we have vs the production we are seeing, I don't think he's doing a good job, but the record is what it is.

He waited years to invest at QB and didn't have an OL in place when he got there. That is horrific.

OB needed to be gone after last season, they are winning in spite of him this season, and im scared what they look like next season with a tougher schedule.

If he fixes the OL this off-season we still have his awful offensive system against us next season.

 

[Uncle Rico]

He's had two chances to make a difference and failed at both …. that's NOT a good job.

The opportunities for a HC to make a difference are generally few ….

I call him average at best.

thats just this year .. if you were to go back in his tenure here and revisit some of those questionable calls it starts to get a bit more murky for Mr. Obrien.

 

[Porky]

I have zero confidence in BOB's ability to coach with the elite HC's in the NFL. None.

As far as the play calling/design, it's a bit of a chicken or egg thing. I mean is he being ultra conservative and going into turtle mode at the slightest hint of a lead because the line is bad therefore he's playing it ultra safe OR is that just BOB. Is he a turtle by nature, or is he a wolf that feels it's necessary to be a turtle because he has no line to speak of.

Remember that this was the same argument made prior to drafting Watson. He has no QB ergo he's got to play it ultra safe. Now it's well, he has no line so he has to play it ultra safe.

Then it will be well, Fuller (or name your WR) is injured so he has to play it safe.

And then it will, be well ya I mean he's got a good QB, good line, and good WR's, but the TE's - nope they suck. So he has to turtle.

Oh and then, well ya he drafted a badass TE, but hey we have no RB to speak of - so I mean hey, he's got to turtle.

At what point is a turtle a freaking turtle? The guy's got no freaking balls at all. There's no teeth on that bite. He tries to gum the opponent to death.

I'm watching a real freaking HC with balls the size of grape fruits operate last night and he lost arguably his most consistent WR in Kupp, and outside of Cooks and Gurley, he's got **** for TE's and WR's and I'll be damned if Goff is better than Watson, because he isn't - yet he lit the freaking world on fire. And instead of turtling with 4 minutes left, he had the stones to go for it on 4th and 2 in his own territory. Ya I know - he's got a better line.

Geniuses like McVey work around the negative, they don't give into it and let it define them.

BOB is good enough to win if ALL the pieces fall into place. ALL. Otherwise, forget it. Turtles don't change out their shell's easily.

 

[Uncle Rico]

I have zero confidence in BOB's ability to coach with the elite HC's in the NFL. None.

As far as the play calling/design, it's a bit of a chicken or egg thing. I mean is he being ultra conservative and going into turtle mode at the slightest hint of a lead because the line is bad therefore he's playing it ultra safe OR is that just BOB. Is he a turtle by nature, or is he a wolf that feels it's necessary to be a turtle because he has no line to speak of.

Remember that this was the same argument made prior to drafting Watson. He has no QB ergo he's got to play it ultra safe. Now it's well, he has no line so he has to play it ultra safe.

Then it will be well, Fuller (or name your WR) is injured so he has to play it safe.

And then it will, be well ya I mean he's got a good QB, good line, and good WR's, but the TE's - nope they suck. So he has to turtle.

Oh and then, well ya he drafted a badass TE, but hey we have no RB to speak of - so I mean hey, he's got to turtle.

At what point is a turtle a freaking turtle? The guy's got no freaking balls at all. There's no teeth on that bite. He tries to gum the opponent to death.

I'm watching a real freaking HC with balls the size of grape fruits operate last night and he lost arguably his most consistent WR in Kupp, and outside of Cooks and Gurley, he's got **** for TE's and WR's and I'll be damned if Goff is better than Watson, because he isn't - yet he lit the freaking world on fire. And instead of turtling with 4 minutes left, he had the stones to go for it on 4th and 2 in his own territory. Ya I know - he's got a better line.

Geniuses like McVey work around the negative, they don't give into it and let it define them.

BOB is good enough to win if ALL the pieces fall into place. ALL. Otherwise, forget it. Turtles don't change out their shell's easily.

Welcome to the party! Punch bowl is on the left ... excuse trays are on the right.

 

[CloakNNNdagger]

Gruden couldn’t make up his mind if he wanted to go for the td or field goal during that final drive. OB is one lucky coach lol.

I heard one of the Redskins local media say that OB made a smart call with the TO just prior to the Redskins last play. The Redskins saw a weakness and were definitely planning on trying for a quick out for a closer FG, but after the TO, their coach felt that the Texans coach was specifically planning for it and with the extra time would be able to create a defense concentrated around stopping it. They therefore decided they had less chance to follow through than turn to the 63 yard FG attempt. It tells you something about their respect for our coaches and D, as the NFL's longest FG ever converted was 64 yards.

 

[Shishkabob]

I heard on of the Redskins local media say that OB made a smart call with the TO just prior to the Redskins last play. The Redskins saw a weakness and were definitely planning on trying for a quick out for a closer FG, but after the TO, their coach felt that the Texans coach was specifically planning for it and with the extra time would be able to create a defense concentrated around stopping it. They therefore decided they had less chance to follow through than turn to the 63 yard FG attempt. It tells you something about their respect for our coaches and D, as the NFL's longest FG ever converted was 64 yards.

I remember the announcers saying OB saved the Redskins, because it was about to be a delay of game. Haven't watched the replay yet, and I don't remember. But was the play clock really that low? I don't recall the redskins even looking like they were ready to run the play before we called a TO

 

[76Texan]

That field goal sure would have helped had we made it...

Was waiting for that, LOL.

 

[austins23]

That was next level Time out. BOB sucked him into the long field goal with his injured kicker. That was Ninja level game management.

To be honest, I thought the dude drilled the FG and we lost

Man that kick looked good, I was so bummed

I actually thought it hit the crossbar

To all the above, I thought the damn thing hit the crossbar.

better lucky than good right?

It's not how, it's how many!

Don't forget the other INT.
It gave the Texans the ball at the Skins 22

That should have been a TD after that turnover. Then get the ball at the half, score again and put the damn game away! These red zone woes have got to be fixed!

But they really need Fairbairn to be clutch.

That last attempt looked like me trying to kick a 20 yarder at halftime of a game to win a new truck!

 

[austins23]

The offseason will be huge, a massive uptick in strength of schedule is coming next season and it wont be easy to maintain,

This is one time I may tend to agree with the strength of schedule thing. Texans get the NFC South next year. That ain't gonna be easy, 3 tough QB's. They get the AFC West! At least the Chiefs blowout will be in KC. Then the Steelers and Patriots (AGAIN!). Teams change year to year, but next year looks a bit rough.

If Coach can get through that schedule above .500.....

In all seriousness though, this cat HAS GOT to get the ******g Red Zone issues fixed!

 

[Mr teX]

This is one time I may tend to agree with the strength of schedule thing. Texans get the NFC South next year. That ain't gonna be easy, 3 tough QB's. They get the AFC West! At least the Chiefs blowout will be in KC. Then the Steelers and Patriots (AGAIN!). Teams change year to year, but next year looks a bit rough.

If Coach can get through that schedule above .500.....

In all seriousness though, this cat HAS GOT to get the ******g Red Zone issues fixed!

It'll be rough for everyone in the division though so it evens out. Also, the red zone issues won't get fixed until the o-line does.

 

[austins23]

the red zone issues won't get fixed until the o-line does.

The Redskins didn't seem to have an issue with its Red Zone trips, with 3 back up linemen. Coaching and play calling have a lot to do with it.

 

[steelbtexan]

How would you rate him as an OC?

I think he can be an all pro interior ol and a 10 year starter at RT.

 

[steelbtexan]

How would you rate him as an OC?

I think he can be an all pro interior ol and a 10 year starter at RT.

 

[Shishkabob]

The Redskins didn't seem to have an issue with its Red Zone trips, with 3 back up linemen. Coaching and play calling have a lot to do with it.

They do have one of the best OL coaches in the league.

 

[austins23]

They do have one of the best OL coaches in the league.

Thanks for making my point. Maybe Devlin should take the next bus out of town.

 

[santo]

Thanks for making my point. Maybe Devlin should take the next bus out of town.

He can take OB with him.

 

[TheKDog]

DVOA ratings after week 11:

Defense: 3 (Pass 10th, Rush 2nd)
Special Teams: 8
Offense: 25 (Pass 16th, Rush 30th)
Overall: 14
Schedule: 26 (remaining schedule 30th)

 

[TheKDog]

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[vtech9]

What about the Gronk catch in a 4 point game that ended up leading to a touchdown in game 1? You know the whole "its not my job to challenge those plays" game. OBrien has lost games for this team with his decision making, and that is not even debateable anymore. I've chilled out since the team is winning, but this isnt a well coached team by any stretch of the imagination.

IIRC, the Gronk catch was with less than 2 minutes left in the half. I might be mistaken, but I do believe that coaches are not allowed to challenge a play within the last 2 minutes of a half. He could have called a TO with the hope that the officiating crew would review it, but they weren't required to. Probably all it would have accomplished was to give the Pats more time to come up with a play. It probably would have been good to call a TO anyway, just to get the defense set, but then again, it would be helping the Patriots by stopping the clock.

 

[steelbtexan]

IIRC, the Gronk catch was with less than 2 minutes left in the half. I might be mistaken, but I do believe that coaches are not allowed to challenge a play within the last 2 minutes of a half. He could have called a TO with the hope that the officiating crew would review it, but they weren't required to. Probably all it would have accomplished was to give the Pats more time to come up with a play. It probably would have been goo to call a TO anyway, just to get the defense set, but then again, it would be helping the Patriots by stopping the clock.

I would've also given the Texans defense a chance to catch their breath and hopefully break the rhythm the Pats offense was obviously in.