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FIRE O'BRIEN NOW!!!

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76Texan said:
I expected the Texans to be either 5-4 or 6-3 in spite of OB.
Could have been 5-4 if the Broncos didn't hand them the game.
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What do you expect them to be at the end of the yr. I had them at 9-7/10-6. That equals their talent level and schedule. IMHO Provided Watson stays healthy.

Could be 9-1 just as easily.
 
steelbtexan said:
I dont have any pitchforks out and actually like the direction the team is headed for the 1st time since 2010.

With that said, I'm not sure BOB is the man to bring a championship to this city, but I do think BOB should get a fair chance to try with his personnel guy.
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I'm glad you're optimistic about our future.

I just don't understand what you see in BO'b. All the talent in the world can't fix stupid. We're not the only team in the league dealing with the issues we have. But every week you see these other teams effectively managing them. Just your idea about three step drops... would help. Play action passes would help a lot. Screens... seems like we're the only team that doesn't understand that it's legal to throw screens to TEs & RBs
 
thunderkyss said:
I'm glad you're optimistic about our future.

I just don't understand what you see in BO'b. All the talent in the world can't fix stupid. We're not the only team in the league dealing with the issues we have. But every week you see these other teams effectively managing them. Just your idea about three step drops... would help. Play action passes would help a lot. Screens... seems like we're the only team that doesn't understand that it's legal to throw screens to TEs & RBs
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Dont think that I'm a BOB fan, he certainly could be upgraded on. With that said, I believe in giving the man a fair chance with his GM. Also if he wins 10-11 games with this roster I think even you would say he did a good job. I mean the best Kubiak ever did was win 10-11 games and you seemed to be very happy with the job he did.
 
steelbtexan said:
What do you expect them to be at the end of the yr. I had them at 9-7/10-6. That equals their talent level and schedule. IMHO Provided Watson stays healthy.

Could be 9-1 just as easily.
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9 or 10 wins was my original guess.
Now, it has increases a bit, due to Watt's successful return and the plunge that some other teams are taken.

12 wins is quite possible... if they keep getting the breaks.

Or maybe the luck will even out and it's the Texans' turn to run into some road bumps. :hides:
 
steelbtexan said:
Also if he wins 10-11 games with this roster I think even you would say he did a good job. I mean the best Kubiak ever did was win 10-11 games and you seemed to be very happy with the job he did.
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Hm.

10-11 wins would just be a number I'd throw out there in an argument to prove my point. Whatever that might be at the time. Bob can win 13 games this season but I'd be highly upset if we host another embarrassing loss. Notice I said host, alluding to the embarrassing loss BO'b already delivered.

We could go 8-8 & I'd be ecstatic & in love with BO'b if we roll through the wildcard & division games.

9-7 & going toe to toe with NE... with Osweiler as his QB, made me think we had a coach. Thought we had something to build on. But he canned Oz & we started all over again. & I think that's what peeves me most about BO'b. Five years into this & we're still at square 1. We start over every year.

Yeah, the league's going to pass you by if you're starting over every year.

Yeah, I know... Rick's fault.

I said I was going to lay off him for delivering 6 wins in a row. Maybe his coaching is affecting the team in a much deeper, more substantial way than what I can see. But I may blow something up if we have 3 or more new starting OLmen next season. If He wants Rankin starting next season, he needs Rankin starting at the end of this season. Then you got your rookie 1st round LT... Martin, Mancz, & whatever.

My point, we need to build & stop blowing sht up every year.
 
76Texan said:
Now, it has increases a bit, due to Watt's successful return and the plunge that some other teams are taken.

12 wins is quite possible... if they keep getting the breaks.
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Is Watt back? Looked to me like he hit a peak a couple of games ago. This bye week may help him recharge a bit, but we might seriously consider reducing his snap count. Save him a bit for the playoffs. Get Ejiofor more snaps, let Mercilus eat a little.
 
76Texan said:
9 or 10 wins was my original guess.
Now, it has increases a bit, due to Watt's successful return and the plunge that some other teams are taken.

12 wins is quite possible... if they keep getting the breaks.

Or maybe the luck will even out and it's the Texans' turn to run into some road bumps. :hides:
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10 wins, maybe 11 if things break right. IMHO
 
thunderkyss said:
Hm.

10-11 wins would just be a number I'd throw out there in an argument to prove my point. Whatever that might be at the time. Bob can win 13 games this season but I'd be highly upset if we host another embarrassing loss. Notice I said host, alluding to the embarrassing loss BO'b already delivered.

We could go 8-8 & I'd be ecstatic & in love with BO'b if we roll through the wildcard & division games.

9-7 & going toe to toe with NE... with Osweiler as his QB, made me think we had a coach. Thought we had something to build on. But he canned Oz & we started all over again. & I think that's what peeves me most about BO'b. Five years into this & we're still at square 1. We start over every year.

Yeah, the league's going to pass you by if you're starting over every year.

Yeah, I know... Rick's fault.

I said I was going to lay off him for delivering 6 wins in a row. Maybe his coaching is affecting the team in a much deeper, more substantial way than what I can see. But I may blow something up if we have 3 or more new starting OLmen next season. If He wants Rankin starting next season, he needs Rankin starting at the end of this season. Then you got your rookie 1st round LT... Martin, Mancz, & whatever.

My point, we need to build & stop blowing sht up every year.
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I would say BOB is doing well with basically a rookie QB.

I hope they draft 2 talented OT's that are able to start right away and draft a developmental OL later in the draft
 
steelbtexan said:
True

I dont think the Texans offense can put up enough points to beat teams like the Pats/Chiefs/Chargers.

This doesn't entirely have to do with BOB, the talent isn't there on the OL.
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Might want to include the Steelers in that statement. They dumped 51 points on Carolina's defense last week. Steelers have found their stride.
 
thunderkyss said:
Hm.

10-11 wins would just be a number I'd throw out there in an argument to prove my point. Whatever that might be at the time. Bob can win 13 games this season but I'd be highly upset if we host another embarrassing loss. Notice I said host, alluding to the embarrassing loss BO'b already delivered.

We could go 8-8 & I'd be ecstatic & in love with BO'b if we roll through the wildcard & division games.

9-7 & going toe to toe with NE... with Osweiler as his QB, made me think we had a coach. Thought we had something to build on. But he canned Oz & we started all over again. & I think that's what peeves me most about BO'b. Five years into this & we're still at square 1. We start over every year.

Yeah, the league's going to pass you by if you're starting over every year.

Yeah, I know... Rick's fault.

I said I was going to lay off him for delivering 6 wins in a row. Maybe his coaching is affecting the team in a much deeper, more substantial way than what I can see. But I may blow something up if we have 3 or more new starting OLmen next season. If He wants Rankin starting next season, he needs Rankin starting at the end of this season. Then you got your rookie 1st round LT... Martin, Mancz, & whatever.

My point, we need to build & stop blowing sht up every year.
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Then the Texans need to quit providing the shite to blow up every year.
 
steelbtexan said:
I would say BOB is doing well with basically a rookie QB.

I hope they draft 2 talented OT's that are able to start right away and draft a developmental OL later in the draft
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I don't understand why the bar for OBrien is always so low. He has a rookie QB, so we can't expect the offense to be good.

Every year he has an excuse for the offense sucking.
 
To play devils advocate if we lose the Indy, Buffalo, and Denver game (as we did last year with those 'luck' type games) then this conversation is alot spicier sitting at 3-6. Yea I know "if IF's and BUTS were candy and nuts" ... i would like to feel like this team was a dominant team, and that the coach was at the forefront of that dominance and not looking for the exit everytime he's asked a tough question. Still reality is that the team stands at 6-3 and hopefully comes off the bye ready to impose their will on teams and not hope that their kicker or coach or backup QB hands them the game. GO AND TAKE IT!
 
Uncle Rico said:
To play devils advocate if we lose the Indy, Buffalo, and Denver game (as we did last year with those 'luck' type games) then this conversation is alot spicier sitting at 3-6. Yea I know "if IF's and BUTS were candy and nuts" ... i would like to feel like this team was a dominant team, and that the coach was at the forefront of that dominance and not looking for the exit everytime he's asked a tough question. Still reality is that the team stands at 6-3 and hopefully comes off the bye ready to impose their will on teams and not hope that their kicker or coach or backup QB hands them the game. GO AND TAKE IT!
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Dallas was also a somewhat lucky overtime win
 
TheKDog said:
I don't understand why the bar for OBrien is always so low. He has a rookie QB, so we can't expect the offense to be good.

Every year he has an excuse for the offense sucking.
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Is it not true that rookie QB's struggle? I mean look at this yrs rookie class. How are they playing? How are their teams doing. I think BOB has done a great job developing Watson. He hasn't had an int in 3 games despite facing massive amounts of pressure and he's leading his team to W's.
 
steelbtexan said:
Is it not true that rookie QB's struggle? I mean look at this yrs rookie class. How are they playing? How are their teams doing. I think BOB has done a great job developing Watson. He hasn't had an int in 3 games despite facing massive amounts of pressure and he's leading his team to W's.
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Sure they struggle . Doesn't mean the offense overall has to suck especially when Watson has been very good overall
 
TheKDog said:
Sure they struggle . Doesn't mean the offense overall has to suck especially when Watson has been very good overall
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I means they've got to fix the OL, so that Watson isn't getting pressure on 50% of his dropbacks and a new OL coach certainly wouldn't hurt at all either.
 
TheKDog said:
I don't. So I wonder why O'Brien hired him and keeps him on.
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While I understand the need for a better O-line I would also like to say that plenty of NFL teams want to upgrade their O-lines. We play a lot of those teams and they have no more of an excuse for some of their struggles than we do. I also can say that as far as I can tell the O-line has shown improvement over the last four or so games. Does that mean we don't have to address the O-line in the future? Absolutely not. We could stand to improve quite a bit. Based on the decent improvement I myself feel the O-line has made since the start of the season I am fine with the O-line coach. At least till we see how the line does with a bit of a talent upgrade. As of late our O-Line has been at least serviceable and that has to be attributable to our O-line coach.
 
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infantrycak said:
Much of it is due to formation/play call.
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Like almost all of it is due to this. The line still struggles a lot when the opposing team blitz's and they have to block 1v1, and they seem to still have a major issue handling stunts and twists. Younger players like Davenport still take poor first steps, which can directly be effected by coaching. I still think Devlin is a poor line coach, but people want to make excuses for him even though he hasn't coached a decent line in the NFL except for the one with 3 pro bowlers on it(they were pro bowlers before he got to the JETs so calm down)
 
Add DJ Swearinger to the "F Bill Obrien Tour"

https://www.chron.com/sports/texans...earinger-shot-Texans-Bill-OBrien-13388889.php

By all accounts, Swearinger wasn't a good fit with the new coaching staff.

"The new coaching staff would always worry about what I was doing or saying to other players," wrote Swearinger, who has four interceptions this season for Washington after intercepting four passes last year. "Well, the Young Swagg had a hard time adjusting to the new system nor did I want to play linebacker every play, and I also was late a few times too many. All a part of growing up & learning to be a pro.

"There was a misunderstanding with my DB coach that led to unprofessional actions by my head coach (O'Brien) that I could no longer respect! Which led to me being cut. That same coach told me I would be outta the league in 3 years. Unfortunately, my God & grind had a plan and knew that 6 years later ... I would make him eat his words!"
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Hmmm .. the whole Case Keenum thing is actually more believable after reading this.
 
steelbtexan said:
They really just need a RB and another WR if Coutee can't stay healthy. I would let Griffin walk after this yr and draft a blocking TE later in the draft. I'm very high on Jordan Thomas and I think Akins will improve. They are currently playing him at FB quite a bit.

TE is one of the hardest positions to learn. Look at this yrs draft class as an example. Hayden Hurst is very talented but how much impact has he made?
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The need at rb is not to be taken lightly though. Sure the league loves its qbs & overall it has devalued the rb position for other reasons, but the position is still extremely invaluable to an offense. It's not a coincidence that 3 of the top 5 offenses in the league right now also have probably the 3 most dynamic backs in the game in Gurley, Hunt & Kamara. The Steelers aren't far behind with Conner........but had been 1 of the most explosive offenses over the last 2-3 years with Leveon Bell..another dynamic rb.

Meanwhile we have the barely average Lamar Blue...........veritable milquetoast as far as anyone else is concerned.

Not worried about TE, i like both guys & think that they collectively will be ending Ryan Griffin's career.....at least here anyway.

i wouldn't be mad at all to see them take a Damian Harris or a Bryce Love with 1 of their top 3 picks in this years draft.

What i'd really like to see them do is go after Mark Ingram in FA this offseason. He's come into his own over the last year in NO & might want to separate himself from sharing carries with Kamara & come over 1 state & be the full time guy. he'll be 30 soon...but he doesn't have quite the mileage on him that a full-time back would.
 
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Uncle Rico said:
Add DJ Swearinger to the "F Bill Obrien Tour"

https://www.chron.com/sports/texans...earinger-shot-Texans-Bill-OBrien-13388889.php



Hmmm .. the whole Case Keenum thing is actually more believable after reading this.
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Stupid.

the guy admitted that he was an immature punk when he was here. That attitude likely is what got him released by 2 other teams after he left here. It was likely only then when he saw his football dreams fading fast that he decided to get his **** together and mature.............................4 years later. He's just looking for motivation to make this something that noone on Kirby is even thinking about.
 
Mr teX said:
The need at rb is not to be taken lightly though. Sure the league loves its qbs & overall it has devalued the rb position for other reasons, but the position is still extremely invaluable to an offense. It's not a coincidence that 3 of the top 5 offenses in the league right now also have probably the 3 most dynamic backs in the game in Gurley, Hunt & Kamara. The Steelers aren't far behind with Conner........but had been 1 of the most explosive offenses over the last 2-3 years with Leveon Bell..another dynamic rb.

Meanwhile we have the barely average Lamar Blue...........veritable milquetoast as far as anyone else is concerned.

Not worried about TE, i like both guys & think that they collectively will be ending Ryan Griffin's career.....at least here anyway.

i wouldn't be mad at all to see them take a Damian Harris or a Bryce Love with 1 of their top 3 picks in this years draft.

What i'd really like to see them do is go after Mark Ingram in FA this offseason. He's come into his own over the last year in NO & might want to separate himself from sharing carries with Kamara & come over 1 state & be the full time guy. he'll be 30 soon...but he doesn't have quite the mileage on him that a full-time back would.
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Totally agree, Lamar Blue have some of the worst vision for a RB that I've seen in a long time. I would be OK with bringing in Ingram because he has always been part of a RB committee and doesn't have the wear and tear on him other RB's his age have. Another guy I like is Tevin Colemam.

Notice that Gurley/Kamara/Hunt play for teams that have invested highly in their OL's.
 
steelbtexan said:
It's probably true that BOB told Keemun the best he would be here was 3rd string.
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It's interesting how people keep defending O'Brien against these awful and mean ex players. Independently making excuses why it couldn't be true what OBrien may have said. I think it's a pattern of behavior and I can deal with a ******** coach as long as he wins. No sympathy for that type of person when they can't perform their function.
 
Uncle Rico said:
It's interesting how people keep defending O'Brien against these awful and mean ex players. Independently making excuses why it couldn't be true what OBrien may have said. I think it's a pattern of behavior and I can deal with a ******** coach as long as he wins. No sympathy for that type of person when they can't perform their function.
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I've got no problem with how O'Brien treats his players. His players dont quit on him. Look at DB he said he had no problems BOB.

There will always be a few that dont buy in and they're let go. Brooks is the only disgruntled guy that they've missed and I dont blame him for being p!ssed with how the Texans medical staff treated him. BOB felt like he couldn't depend on Brooks (He couldn't) and treated Brooks as such.
 
dream_team said:
Saints, yes. Rams and Chiefs?
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What that dude failed to understand is it took those teams years. Last year the Saints Oline was not good. The year before that it was even worse. Breezy is very good at getting the ball out fast. They also went hurry up a lot when the oline wasn't up to par.
 
Texansballer74 said:
What that dude failed to understand is it took those teams years. Last year the Saints Oline was not good. The year before that it was even worse. Breezy is very good at getting the ball out fast. They also went hurry up a lot when the oline wasn't up to par.
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top 10 not good?

https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-ranking-all-32-offensive-lines-from-the-2017-nfl-season
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...-rams-among-nfls-10-best-offensive-line-units
https://www.usatoday.com/story/spor...ne-rankings-cowboys-titans-raiders/474298001/
 
Texansballer74 said:
What that dude failed to understand is it took those teams years. Last year the Saints Oline was not good. The year before that it was even worse. Breezy is very good at getting the ball out fast. They also went hurry up a lot when the oline wasn't up to par.
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We have three offensive linemen starting in the league right now that used to be Texans... Brooks, Ben Jones, XSF (due to injury but he looked a whole lot better there than he ever did here)...

That's a solid interior line (if we could get XSF to consistently play like he did this past weekend) to me that means we could have drafted a OT instead of Martin.

Heck, we could have started Mancz at guard, not draft XSF & had another OT taken with a 2-1 pick.
 
thunderkyss said:
We have three offensive linemen starting in the league right now that used to be Texans... Brooks, Ben Jones, XSF (due to injury but he looked a whole lot better there than he ever did here)...

That's a solid interior line (if we could get XSF to consistently play like he did this past weekend) to me that means we could have drafted a OT instead of Martin.

Heck, we could have started Mancz at guard, not draft XSF & had another OT taken with a 2-1 pick.
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Most definitely. So many variables to take into account.
 
Texansballer74 said:
I just got off the phone with my father and law and he believes the Saints oline is not that good. He went on to say name the probowlers on that line from last season?
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lol I just gave you 3 different sources that all ranked the Saints line in the top 10 last year, your father in laws opinion holds zero weight for me, or probably any one else for that matter. A line is not about individuals its about the sum of it's part. Clearly you don't realize this
 
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