The reason Ricky stayed when Kubiak was let go.
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The reason Ricky stayed when Kubiak was let go.
Over the years, people in the NFL and sports media have always questioned the roles and responsibilities of the Texans owner, GM and HC in many of the team moves.
I find it hilarious that two posters on a forum, can speculate about every personnel move and state as fact who made a decision. Mallet being a Smith decision without any input from O’Brien is so silly it doesn’t need a response.
At this point, regardless of the GM, O’Brien has to do a better job coaching this team and utilizing the available talent. I’m finished with this Ricky this, Ricky that speculation. Blaming Rick Smith for everything wrong with the Texans is as useless as telling O’Brien to stop running dive plays on first down.
I find it hilarious that two posters on a forum, can speculate about every personnel move and state as fact who made a decision. Mallet being a Smith decision without any input from O’Brien is so silly it doesn’t need a response.
At this point, regardless of the GM, O’Brien has to do a better job coaching this team and utilizing the available talent. I’m finished with this Ricky this, Ricky that speculation. Blaming Rick Smith for everything wrong with the Texans is as useless as telling O’Brien to stop running dive plays on first down.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
and how many wins do you think the talent on this team should get? If you say anything more than 9 wins...we know you're in denial.
Also, pay attention. neither of us has said that BoB didn't have input. But you know how that goes. Could've been purely just soliciting his "input" as a formality. Furthermore, you don't know what BoB said in his input either. He could've said "no I don't want that guy b/c he sux.." & Rick with his primary responsibility could've just still did his own thing.
See you guys are getting caught up in how much input BoB actually had, But what is actually done is on Ricky. He bears that responsibility whether ya'll want to attribute it to him or not.
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1st, let me point out I think both BO'b & Rick were culpable for what we saw here the last 4 years.
2nd it's too early to tell what this draft is. I thought DJ Swearinger was going to be our safety of the future. I thought Davenport was going to be our LT of the future. I thought James Casey or Co Fiedorwicz was going to at least replace OD.
Steve Slaton, Barwin, Quinn, Casey, McCain, Reed, Newton, Brooks, Ben Jones, Crick, Swearinger, Chris Jones, Griffin, Fiedorwicz, McKinney, Reader, Covington,
A couple of studs. A couple of starting role models. A bunch of rotational depth guys. Throw I guys like Arian Foster, Tramon Williams, & A.j. Bouye
Yeah could've been better, but I see a lot of coaching fail too.
If that "stud" QB was running BO'bs offense you'd be right. But I'm talking about last year when Savage was the named starter from training camp. Watson came in on the fly, BO'b worked the magic we know he can do, he does it with the backups practically every year, cook shty up that works.... Then when he names them starter we see routes that don't compliment each other, WR screens that work once out of 10 tries. Backup OTs trying to block Von Miller or Terrell Suggs one on one, but Derrick McMahon gets double teamed & chipped.
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infantrycak
Hall of Fame
I know many here will hate this just because it's Cowboys. Anyway... We keep getting 2nd and 2 or 3 and then OB runs. Tom Landry thought 2nd and short was a free play to go for the strike. That's the boot that gets the 2 or hits for 70. OB regards that as a 4th & 1 crash the middle.
badboy
Hall of Fame
I agree using a play action pass. Watson did that some vs Dolphins.
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
One of the biggest mistake McNair's made was not firing both, Smith and O'Brien for failure to produce. The next biggest mistake was not firing Smith when Kubiak was fired. Smith was a failure over two coaches and both coaches were and have been failures to the Texans teams they coached. McNair's primary mistake, not hiring a proven GM with a winning track record or a HC in the same vein.
Based on Gaine's first draft, I would've been more open had he been able to bring in his own HC. O'Brien's track record does not scream, top NFL HC. He's really never improved as a HC since the mistakes being made on the sideline are the same one's he was making in his first season. Watson has improvised O'Brien into appearing competent but in every game, he still makes mistakes that baffle everyone viewing.
Chance_C
All Pro
You said Ricky 6 times in that post. Respect your football knowledge but that's like nails on a chalkboard to me. Please for the love of god let it go.
He tried this when we were an expansion team. We all saw what a disaster that was
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
Casserly enjoyed his success on the back of Gibbs success. I never thought he was a top notch GM, especially after the Boselli blunder and the many others after that. Don Capers was straddled with poor talent but he was in no way a winning HC. He was fired as Carolina's expansion team HC before arriving in Houston. Great defensive mind but far too conservative on offense. He just wasn't top HC material.
agreed, but McNair was advised (taking advice from competitors always a bad idea) to go that route. Casserly was a Superb Owl winning GM and Capers did take an expansion team to the NFCCG, so McNair truly did try and that probably colored his thinking for what came later. I thought Casserly rode Beathards coattails more than Gibbs
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OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
Thank you. I thought it was just me. Especially since 95% of any Ricky reference is speculation.
Unfortunately, SteelB is on record that Smith will be blamed up to the next two years, so there’s no end in sight
Yeah, no. Not buying that starting Mallet was some sort of genius coaching move.
So they are old and needed to be replaced...then Ricky is bad for replacing them?
Just no. O'Brien came in and wanted his guys. Weve seen the results over 5 years. Hes a bad offensive coach.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Check out what Carter says.
Even if you think Ricky got a bunch of bad players for the offense while getting great players for the defense (no one has squared that circle) then how do you explain:
-Starting Mallet over Fitzpatrick and Hoyer
-Starting Savage over Watson
-Using Lamar Miller as a power back (until the last 2 weeks)
-Starting a rookie at LT who missed training camp
-Moving your LT to RT to accommodate a rookie
-Not playing Mancz more despite him outplaying starters
-making linemen like Brooks miserable so they want to leave
-stubbornly going back to your spread ep offense despite it not working
-screwing up timeouts, challenges, and 4th down play calls consistently
-going super turtle mode whenever the Texans have a lead
There's a lot more wrong than whatever the GM did
-Starting Mallet over Fitzpatrick and Hoyer
-Starting Savage over Watson
-Using Lamar Miller as a power back (until the last 2 weeks)
-Starting a rookie at LT who missed training camp
-Moving your LT to RT to accommodate a rookie
-Not playing Mancz more despite him outplaying starters
-making linemen like Brooks miserable so they want to leave
-stubbornly going back to your spread ep offense despite it not working
-screwing up timeouts, challenges, and 4th down play calls consistently
-going super turtle mode whenever the Texans have a lead
There's a lot more wrong than whatever the GM did
Agree. At the end of the day, he’s a bad offensive coach.
What kind of offensive coach
- Goes an entire season without utilizing his TEs in the passing game?
- Doesn’t realize he has a speed back who should be in a zone based scheme, and is more effective out in space?
- Doesn’t take full advantage of the relax passing rules by running combination, rub and pick routes to help his WRs?
I hope that guy never gets a divorce...At some point, just move on...no matter how bad that ex has done you, work on fixing the spit...way too much Rick Smith talk on the board
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McNair biggest flaw is this need for continuity and predictability. He is a true conservative and not just in a political sense. Probably worked really well in his previous businesses, but in an increasingly aggressive NFL, it going to lead to mediocrity...oh wait.
Only one I have a possible answer for... OB listened to the medical staff that could find nothing wrong with Brooks other than he must be dogging it. OB has much to answer for and more to learn. It's not hopeless yet, but getting there quickly. Hopefully without the albatross of his infighting with RS, this team will continue to grow
Texansballer74
The Marine
The fall out between Obrien and Brock comes to mind as well. Obrien didn't even try to coach this man up because he wasn't on board with the signing.
I remember Brock wanting to go hurry up more but Obrien had to run this slow lethargic type offense. Whenever we ran hurry up, we moved the ball very well.
Now Brock was trash but he had a very valid point.
Even today, when we run hurry up/no huddle, the offense look so much better and effective. It covers up the deficiencies of that offensive line.
Agreed, but the Texans certainly dont have the Cowboys OL, so I dont think BOB trust his OL to pickup that 3rd and 2. Not defending BOB's play calling. I wish he thought more like Landry/You/Me.
But... But... I thought BOB had input on the Os signing. He probably said Os was trash (Which he is) and Ricky signed Os anyway. Then human nature took over and BOB didn't do everything he could to help Os. (I know this is speculation)
But BOB took that team as far as it's talent level would go. 2nd to of the playoffs which is as far as Kubiak took them. Hopefully Ricky was the issue and Gaine/BOB can take them farther.
Already been divorced once and did what I would suggest others do as well. Move on quickly, your ex may get pissed but things always seem to work out better that way. Divorce was actually one of the better things that's happened to me in my life.
As far as Ricky goes, I just respond to those who quote/talk about me, like I'm doing in this post.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Nobody said he had input. Remember McNair forced Brock as well as Ed on them. Dude clearly got tired of the clown show Bill O'Brien kept putting on the field. I never in my life seen NFL QBs getting benched at the rate Bill O'Brien was benching his hand picked retreads.
Ricky did a poor job of replacing them. That is all.
Plenty have said BOB had input on the Os signing.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
BoB got ya'll heated...got ya'll in here moving the goal posts in futile efforts to make your arguments. The hate is irrationally strong lol. Sad thing is, dude don't even know ya'll for ya'll to be hating him so much....& he's got his 53 ready to run through a wall for him.
Ya'll need to cut it out; ****'s unhealthy. Talk about moving on...
Ya'll need to cut it out; ****'s unhealthy. Talk about moving on...
Tell me how you would like me to respond to posts like the one I responded too?
Just kinda a quick jab versus anything I really wanted to know history about, but thank you...and trust me I understand your not the only one who talks "Ricky"
Agreed
But one thing you can say in BOB's favor and it's the most important thing. The 53 has never quit on BOB and has played hard for him in spite of dysfunction/0-3 starts etc...
FIFY, but yeah
True it seems the players genuinely like O'Brien and play hard for him, well except for that RG who's now in Philly.
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
I didn't know this until today, but apparently in Case Keenums book, Case says that Bill OBrien told him he would be nothing more than a 3rd string QB in the NFL when he cut him. Talk about a douchebag.
Chance_C
All Pro
However you like sir. Carry on steely.
Cowboys fired their OL coach today and are even bringing back Hudson Houck as a consultant.
Rich Schmidt
Myopicone
As much as turtle mode bugs me, the guy is like 30 and 1 with a lead at halftime, too lazy to look it up I know he was 18-0 in early 2017. So as much as we all go nuts and jump out windows, he gets wins when he is up at half. We finally saw him keep squeezing against the Jags. Hard to change from something you have been successful with. What I am sure we are horrible at is when we come back and get a lead late, there we seem to spit the game regularly
Fair enough, but it's a lot easier to maintain a lead when it's a top 10 defense every year.
Maybe the bigger problem is he's had the lead at halftime only 31 out of 72 times. He's probably doing the turtle in the first half too.
I would've liked Houck to consult Devlin, but Davenport would still suck.
Scooter
Funky
Everybody turtles, run-first coaches are just more obvious about it. Having success grinding out the win relies on the defense holding up regardless of what the offense does (duh), I think Cowher was something ridiculous like 100-2 when leading at halftime - of course he had a decade and a half of amazing defenses. Inheriting Wade's defense, coached by another great in Romeo is where the credit goes for those second halves. Teams get desperate trying to make plays against his bend but don't break style, and end up in fortuitous turnovers or a series of punts.
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OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
This is the kind of statement that could lead to CK having a career night....in Denver. Nothing like coming into a game with a chip on one's shoulder and enough talent to make it a statement game.
Sonny
TexSon Proud
See my last post.
If I would have known was a chronicle comedy link I wouldn't have wasted my time
Rich Schmidt
Myopicone
We watched how BOB cut guys on hard knocks, I dont think he said you will NEVER be better than third string. I could see him saying on this team as assembled you would be third string, so we are going to cut you, and here is some things you can work on. If it fueled Case, good for him. Overall seems like a real solid human. Still looking forward to the turnovers come Sunday
Did not realize they showed Case being cut on hard knocks. But to choose a mentally unstable thrower like Mallet over Keenum who showed he at least understood what it was to be a QB was a perfect example of BOB's ability to judge talent at a position that he is supposed to be the best at. At least Keenum had a history of success as a QB.
Look up Mallet's past at Arkansas.
Reminds me of another person who had no success now being the head coach of the Texans.
Penn State Nittany Lions (Big Ten Conference) (2012–2013)
2012 Penn State 8–4 6–2 conference 2nd (Leaders)‡ ‡ ‡
2013 Penn State 7–5 4–4 conference 3rd (Leaders)‡ ‡ ‡
Penn State: 15–9 10–6
Just my opinion.
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