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gafftop said:
Did not realize they showed Case being cut on hard knocks. But to choose a mentally unstable thrower like Mallet over Keenum who showed he at least understood what it was to be a QB was a perfect example of BOB's ability to judge talent at a position that he is supposed to be the best at. At least Keenum had a history of success as a QB.
Look up Mallet's past at Arkansas.
Reminds me of another person who had no success now being the head coach of the Texans.
Penn State Nittany Lions (Big Ten Conference) (2012–2013)
2012 Penn State 8–4 6–2 conference 2nd (Leaders)‡ ‡ ‡
2013 Penn State 7–5 4–4 conference 3rd (Leaders)‡ ‡ ‡
Penn State: 15–9 10–6
Just my opinion.
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We get it... you're a OB hater and a Keenum lover

surprised you still follow the Texans
 
gafftop said:
Did not realize they showed Case being cut on hard knocks. But to choose a mentally unstable thrower like Mallet over Keenum who showed he at least understood what it was to be a QB was a perfect example of BOB's ability to judge talent at a position that he is supposed to be the best at. At least Keenum had a history of success as a QB.
Look up Mallet's past at Arkansas.
Reminds me of another person who had no success now being the head coach of the Texans.
Penn State Nittany Lions (Big Ten Conference) (2012–2013)
2012 Penn State 8–4 6–2 conference 2nd (Leaders)‡ ‡ ‡
2013 Penn State 7–5 4–4 conference 3rd (Leaders)‡ ‡ ‡
Penn State: 15–9 10–6
Just my opinion.
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I seem to remember Mallett taking the Razorbacks to their 1st major bowl in yrs. Keenum was going to be 3rd string here and BOB decided to go with 2 QB's that's all.

Mallett is infinitely more talented than Keenum and BOB chose to go with talent over stability. BTW, Mallett hung around and won a few games for the Ravens. He had talent but was a knucklehead.
 
steelbtexan said:
I seem to remember Mallett taking the Razorbacks to their 1st major bowl in yrs. Keenum was going to be 3rd string here and BOB decided to go with 2 QB's that's all.

Mallett is infinitely more talented than Keenum and BOB chose to go with talent over stability. BTW, Mallett hung around and won a few games for the Ravens. He had talent but was a knucklehead.
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Mallet was never accurate. He was the least accurate QB I've ever seen outside of Tebow.
 
Rich Schmidt said:
We watched how BOB cut guys on hard knocks, I dont think he said you will NEVER be better than third string. I could see him saying on this team as assembled you would be third string, so we are going to cut you, and here is some things you can work on. If it fueled Case, good for him. Overall seems like a real solid human. Still looking forward to the turnovers come Sunday
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This clearly seems like the case of a ghost writer adding a little extra to make for a better story. Obviously Case isn't the one writing the book himself, he has more to focus on being a starting QB. He very well could have told the writer, O'Brien told me I would be 3rd string on their depth chart. The better way to write it for a story, that I take it showcases Keenum's drive and determination of going from UDFA to being cut and back up to ultimately leading a team to the NFCC, is that his new head coach told him he would never amount to anything more than being a 3rd stringer. That's not how OB handled any of his cuts, and it really isn't how any coach or GM handles their cuts so I highly doubt OB changed his ways for Case.
 
So this is the latest thing the BoB hate brigade has latched onto? Lol..& here i was thinking that propping up Rick Smith's trash 12 years was the low point.

I seriously doubt he told Keenum that in the context of how the book puts it, but so what? Whatever he told him was enough for him to elevate his game to.........2nd stringer/game manager status. Not enough to be any teams' long term starter.........as Denver is finding out right now.

The fact that the BoB hate brigade is using this as some type of evidence is, next level silliness. Keenum out here trying to sell books & ya'll are falling for it.
 
Mr teX said:
So this is the latest thing the BoB hate brigade has latched onto? Lol..& here i was thinking that propping up Rick Smith's trash 12 years was the low point.

I seriously doubt he told Keenum that in the context of how the book puts it, but so what? Whatever he told him was enough for him to elevate his game to.........2nd stringer/game manager status. Not enough to be any teams' long term starter.........as Denver is finding out right now.

The fact that the BoB hate brigade is using this as some type of evidence is, next level silliness. Keenum out here trying to sell books & ya'll are falling for it.
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As president of the Buttcrack McQuack Hate Brigade I dont need anecdotal reasons to dislike him as a coach he makes enough mistakes and errors in judgement to do that for me. Its just more reason to move on, I mean its really funny here is a coach who has never done anything of substance in his career, and he has the audacity to criticize Keenum like that? The irony is killing me! LOL
 
Uncle Rico said:
As president of the Buttcrack McQuack Hate Brigade I dont need anecdotal reasons to dislike him as a coach he makes enough mistakes and errors in judgement to do that for me. Its just more reason to move on, I mean its really funny here is a coach who has never done anything of substance in his career, and he has the audacity to criticize Keenum like that? The irony is killing me! LOL
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lol if you believe that's honestly what OB told Keenum, after him being incredibly polite and helpful to the others he cut then Idk what to tell you. Athletes don't write their own novels, ghost writers do and often change their story to make it a better read
 
Shishkabob said:
lol if you believe that's honestly what OB told Keenum, after him being incredibly polite and helpful to the others he cut then Idk what to tell you. Athletes don't write their own novels, ghost writers do and often change their story to make it a better read
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you like the chronicle .. here you go:

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/sp...eenum-outperforms-Bill-O-Brien-s-13345334.php

https://www.chron.com/sports/texans...hard-feelings-Texans-Bill-OBrien-13348318.php

So you're saying Keenum didnt have any input in the story? Some dude just made it up to sell copies? Okie Dokey.
 
Uncle Rico said:
As president of the Buttcrack McQuack Hate Brigade I dont need anecdotal reasons to dislike him as a coach he makes enough mistakes and errors in judgement to do that for me. Its just more reason to move on, I mean its really funny here is a coach who has never done anything of substance in his career, and he has the audacity to criticize Keenum like that? The irony is killing me! LOL
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yet here you are.

The Houston Chronicle reached out to BoB for comments on Uncle Rico's thoughts about him......
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Uncle Rico said:
you like the chronicle .. here you go:

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/sp...eenum-outperforms-Bill-O-Brien-s-13345334.php

https://www.chron.com/sports/texans...hard-feelings-Texans-Bill-OBrien-13348318.php

So you're saying Keenum didnt have any input in the story? Some dude just made it up to sell copies? Okie Dokey.
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No the person whose autobiography always has input, doesn't change the fact that ghost writers almost always will change a few minor details to make for a better story. It's not a far stretch from OB saying "Hey we have you as our 3rd string QB and we aren't going to carry 3" to "I only see you ever being a 3rd string QB" you change a few words to make a better story of someone overcoming an obstacle. It happens all the time, it's a pretty well known secret, and guess what it works. I wonder how many more Keenum books were sold this week because of that 1 line. Do you not think that's something the writer and publisher mentioned to Keenum when they were going over the book?

We have video evidence of O'Brien being incredibly polite, respectful, and offering to help guys in anyway he can when he cuts them, why would he treat Case differently?
 
Shishkabob said:
No the person whose autobiography always has input, doesn't change the fact that ghost writers almost always will change a few minor details to make for a better story. It's not a far stretch from OB saying "Hey we have you as our 3rd string QB and we aren't going to carry 3" to "I only see you ever being a 3rd string QB" you change a few words to make a better story of someone overcoming an obstacle. It happens all the time, it's a pretty well known secret, and guess what it works. I wonder how many more Keenum books were sold this week because of that 1 line. Do you not think that's something the writer and publisher mentioned to Keenum when they were going over the book?

We have video evidence of O'Brien being incredibly polite, respectful, and offering to help guys in anyway he can when he cuts them, why would he treat Case differently?
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Wasting your time bro...It doesn't fit their narrative....or any semblance of professionalism....or evidence-based rationale for that matter.
 
Mr teX said:
Wasting your time bro...It doesn't fit their narrative....or any semblance of professionalism....or evidence-based rationale for that matter.
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LOL.. that line belongs in a sh!tload of threads down there in the No Spin Zone. It would fit perfectly.

Kudos!
 
Shishkabob said:
No the person whose autobiography always has input, doesn't change the fact that ghost writers almost always will change a few minor details to make for a better story. It's not a far stretch from OB saying "Hey we have you as our 3rd string QB and we aren't going to carry 3" to "I only see you ever being a 3rd string QB" you change a few words to make a better story of someone overcoming an obstacle. It happens all the time, it's a pretty well known secret, and guess what it works. I wonder how many more Keenum books were sold this week because of that 1 line. Do you not think that's something the writer and publisher mentioned to Keenum when they were going over the book?

We have video evidence of O'Brien being incredibly polite, respectful, and offering to help guys in anyway he can when he cuts them, why would he treat Case differently?
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You're talking about hard knocks right? Hard Knocks? SMH.
 
Uncle Rico said:
You're talking about hard knocks right? Hard Knocks? SMH.
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what other inside info do you have to go on? Come on, you don't burn bridges in work or sports, as you never know what comes around. At work, be an ass and watch that person fly and be your boss. In sports, they could come back and burn you or be back as they develop. No reason to just say you suck, third stringer, go get another gig. I go with the honest cut answer as Case even eludes to, you are third string here and I dont see that changing, here is what you did well, here is what you need to work on. Even haters of BOB for his game management, team not ready early in the season, some stupid OC calls etc should see he is a good human being that players respect. That would not be the case if he was total ass
 
Rich Schmidt said:
what other inside info do you have to go on? Come on, you don't burn bridges in work or sports, as you never know what comes around. At work, be an ass and watch that person fly and be your boss. In sports, they could come back and burn you or be back as they develop. No reason to just say you suck, third stringer, go get another gig. I go with the honest cut answer as Case even eludes to, you are third string here and I dont see that changing, here is what you did well, here is what you need to work on. Even haters of BOB for his game management, team not ready early in the season, some stupid OC calls etc should see he is a good human being that players respect. That would not be the case if he was total ass
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I mean he's a total ass to reporters. He handles himself horribly when he has to answer tough questions. He is also a guy who likes to bark and walk around full of piss and vinegar. You say players love him I have read about players who hate him. It's cool to defend him I get it, but I don't feel a connection with O'Brien so much so that I can overlook the blatant mishaps and deficiencies that still after 5 years present themselves during games. I could put up with Koobs mediocrity because he treated people better in the public eye at least. Behind the scenes? Do we really know with any certainty? By the way I appreciate the passion in a well written response without any need for derogatory remarks which lends itself to better discourse. Thanks!
 
Uncle Rico said:
I mean he's a total ass to reporters. He handles himself horribly when he has to answer tough questions. He is also a guy who likes to bark and walk around full of piss and vinegar. You say players love him I have read about players who hate him. It's cool to defend him I get it, but I don't feel a connection with O'Brien so much so that I can overlook the blatant mishaps and deficiencies that still after 5 years present themselves during games. I could put up with Koobs mediocrity because he treated people better in the public eye at least. Behind the scenes? Do we really know with any certainty? By the way I appreciate the passion in a well written response without any need for derogatory remarks which lends itself to better discourse. Thanks!
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Only player who has spoken ill of BoB since he has left has been Brooks, everyone else has spoken very highly of him. Well you had the one with Lechler on that podcast who made it sound like he should've been handed the job instead of competing for it, yet maintains such a good relationship with BoB they speak almost every week. Trust me, ask Mr Tex I criticize BoB about a lot of things but how he treats his players isn't one of them. He shields them from the media when times are bad, and gives them all the credit when times are good. Yes BoB gets snippy with the media from time to time, and then others he treats them like their his friends, a lot of coaches do this FYI it's probably hard having to answer the same question every interview especially when you are going through a rough patch, or your dealing with the idiots from 610's mid day show. Like just from the little inside info we have seen, heard, and know of BoB you can tell that passage from Keenum's novel was a little fabricated
 
Uncle Rico said:
I mean he's a total ass to reporters. He handles himself horribly when he has to answer tough questions. He is also a guy who likes to bark and walk around full of piss and vinegar. You say players love him I have read about players who hate him. It's cool to defend him I get it, but I don't feel a connection with O'Brien so much so that I can overlook the blatant mishaps and deficiencies that still after 5 years present themselves during games. I could put up with Koobs mediocrity because he treated people better in the public eye at least. Behind the scenes? Do we really know with any certainty? By the way I appreciate the passion in a well written response without any need for derogatory remarks which lends itself to better discourse. Thanks!
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I aint no ball sack lover of BOB. He has his warts, and yes games 0-3 had EPIC coaching errors. I just keep an open mind and dont give too much value to the exception vs the trend. His guys play hard, studs like DW4, JJ, Jjo, Nuk have his back. A cut and traded player had an issue. If I was Brooks and mishandled medically I would be pissed too. Anyway, happy to focus on the topic not the poster. Let's be happy, we got a good #2
 
Uncle Rico said:
I mean he's a total ass to reporters. He handles himself horribly when he has to answer tough questions. He is also a guy who likes to bark and walk around full of piss and vinegar. You say players love him I have read about players who hate him. It's cool to defend him I get it, but I don't feel a connection with O'Brien so much so that I can overlook the blatant mishaps and deficiencies that still after 5 years present themselves during games. I could put up with Koobs mediocrity because he treated people better in the public eye at least. Behind the scenes? Do we really know with any certainty? By the way I appreciate the passion in a well written response without any need for derogatory remarks which lends itself to better discourse. Thanks!
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If the players felt the way you do about BOB they would've quit after an 0-3 start, instead their on a 5 game winning streak much to the dismay of many on this MB.

# Enjoy the ride. I worry about the CB/OT positions, trading for Thomas didn't do anything to fill those holes.
 
Rich Schmidt said:
I aint no ball sack lover of BOB. He has his warts, and yes games 0-3 had EPIC coaching errors. I just keep an open mind and dont give too much value to the exception vs the trend. His guys play hard, studs like DW4, JJ, Jjo, Nuk have his back. A cut and traded player had an issue. If I was Brooks and mishandled medically I would be pissed too. Anyway, happy to focus on the topic not the poster. Let's be happy, we got a good #2
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^^^^
This


The Texans Medical Staff Srewing up again shocking. I would sue them for malpractice if I was Brooks. The fact that they've won 5 in a row and just did something the Texans org has never done, added salary in season tells me there's no way some here can ever be happy.
 
Shishkabob said:
No the person whose autobiography always has input, doesn't change the fact that ghost writers almost always will change a few minor details to make for a better story. It's not a far stretch from OB saying "Hey we have you as our 3rd string QB and we aren't going to carry 3" to "I only see you ever being a 3rd string QB" you change a few words to make a better story of someone overcoming an obstacle. It happens all the time, it's a pretty well known secret, and guess what it works. I wonder how many more Keenum books were sold this week because of that 1 line. Do you not think that's something the writer and publisher mentioned to Keenum when they were going over the book?

We have video evidence of O'Brien being incredibly polite, respectful, and offering to help guys in anyway he can when he cuts them, why would he treat Case differently?
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Ruuuuuuuuudy, Ruuuuuudy, Ruuuuuuuudy..... Ruuuuuudy.
 
Love the cast iron pot calling the skillet black. Quickly point out someone else's narrative but continues to spew their own personal agendas. Nobody and I mean nobody hates Bill O'Brien. But his coaching needs to improve. The former GM was not the only freaking problem. Both of them had their hands all over that mess.
 
ObsiWan said:
because Keenum was yet another Kubiak holdover that had to be eradicated.
...like AJ.
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Man there's alot of hate because Kubiak got fired up in here.

Could be he told Keenu he would be 3rd string on the Texans.

He told AJ the truth, said he would have around a 40 catch season. AJ balked and went to the Colts where he got his 40 catch season.
 
Uncle Rico said:
I mean he's a total ass to reporters. He handles himself horribly when he has to answer tough questions. He is also a guy who likes to bark and walk around full of piss and vinegar. You say players love him I have read about players who hate him. It's cool to defend him I get it, but I don't feel a connection with O'Brien so much so that I can overlook the blatant mishaps and deficiencies that still after 5 years present themselves during games. I could put up with Koobs mediocrity because he treated people better in the public eye at least. Behind the scenes? Do we really know with any certainty? By the way I appreciate the passion in a well written response without any need for derogatory remarks which lends itself to better discourse. Thanks!
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We on the outside just doesn't know what's really going on behind the scenes. But hey the political correct answer will always make it seem like things are all peaches and cream.
 
steelbtexan said:
Man there's alot of hate because Kubiak got fired up in here.

Could be he told Keenu he would be 3rd string on the Texans.

He told AJ the truth, said he would have around a 40 catch season. AJ balked and went to the Colts where he got his 40 catch season.
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Kubiak's biggest fan rarely post on here anymore. You're reaching with this one Steel
 
Rich Schmidt said:
what other inside info do you have to go on? Come on, you don't burn bridges in work or sports, as you never know what comes around. At work, be an ass and watch that person fly and be your boss. In sports, they could come back and burn you or be back as they develop. No reason to just say you suck, third stringer, go get another gig. I go with the honest cut answer as Case even eludes to, you are third string here and I dont see that changing, here is what you did well, here is what you need to work on. Even haters of BOB for his game management, team not ready early in the season, some stupid OC calls etc should see he is a good human being that players respect. That would not be the case if he was total ass
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Man, there's been a lot of piss-poor HC's who were good guys that the players liked who just weren't cut from the "Great HC" cloth. Anyone who's watched football for more than 50 years should know this.

O'Brien is not a great HC and probably will never crest that hill. He's had some decent season's when the AFC South was in the shitzer but when the AFC South was competitive, Texans have always wound up with a high draft position b/c of the effort.

My biggest gripe, he's still making the same kind of foolish mistakes he made in his rookie season. He still hasn't figured out how to marry his system and players into one cohesive unit. As we've all been witness to, he's not an OC savant.....Watson's ability to escape and extend plays have certainly led to results that O'Brien would like to hang his hat on but shouldn't. Each and every season O'Brien has been at the helm, he's managed to lose 1 or 2 very winnable games by making decisions that defy logic. I think O'Brien is a swell guy, a players coach but by no means does that elevate him to a great HC benchmark.

One thing I can say, O'Brien must have someone from way up above smiling down on him b/c after coming off a 4-12 season and opening 0-3, the Gods turned his upcoming scheduled opponents and AFC South rivals to shite. O'Brien will get a winning season, the Texans will make the playoffs and O'Brien will again be regarded as an amazing HC....at least until the AFC South becomes competitive once again.
 
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OptimisticTexan said:
Man, there's been a lot of piss-poor HC's who were good guys and the players liked that just weren't cut from the "Great HC" cloth. Anyone who's watched football for more than 50 years should know this.

O'Brien is not a great HC and probably will never crest that hill. He's had some decent season's when the AFC South was in the shitzer but when the AFC South was competitive, Texans have always wound up with a high draft position b/c of the effort.

My biggest gripe, he's still making the same kind of foolish mistakes he made in his rookie season. He still hasn't figured out how to marry his system and players into one cohesive unit. As we've all been witness to, he's not an OC savant.....Watson's ability to escape and extend plays have certainly led to results that O'Brien would like to hang his hat on but shouldn't. Each and every season O'Brien has been at the helm, he's managed to lose 1 or 2 very winnable games by making decisions that defy logic. I think O'Brien is a swell guy, a players coach but by no means does that elevate him to a great HC benchmark.

One thing I can say, O'Brien must have someone from way up above smiling down on him b/c after coming off a 4-12 season and opening 0-3, the Gods turned his upcoming scheduled opponents and AFC South to shite. O'Brien will get a winning season, the Texans will make the playoffs and O'Brien will again be regarded as an amazing HC....at least until the AFC South becomes competitive once again.
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But 5 game win streak, guys didnt quit yada yada yada (thanks frank reich, thanks nathan peterman!) but of course its all because of Bill OBriens great coaching job and excellent calls especially in the red zone to turn it around yeahhh!

I will concede that the team has looked better and better over the last 2 weeks, hopefully that trend continues, but by year 5 you would have hoped that Buttcrack McQuack would have had his guys in place, his system perfected and his coaching skills improved. Yet he decided a college QB carousel was a good idea at the pro level, he's run off some of this teams favorite players and still he's barely mediocre, and as much spite as these Bob Fan Club guys have toward Koobs, they are supporting a guy who isnt any better. Just win baby, if you keep the W's coming the wolves will be kept at bay, but I wont put up with same routine mistakes from a mediocre coach and give him a lollipop and a participation ribbon just because? I mean what exactly have the Pro Bob crowd stated that he's good at? I've asked that question mutltiple times on here and its always ignored. Win more games than 9 THIS YEAR, that would be a start.
 
Uncle Rico said:
But 5 game win streak, guys didnt quit yada yada yada (thanks frank reich, thanks nathan peterman!) but of course its all because of Bill OBriens great coaching job and excellent calls especially in the red zone to turn it around yeahhh!

I will concede that the team has looked better and better over the last 2 weeks, hopefully that trend continues, but by year 5 you would have hoped that Buttcrack McQuack would have had his guys in place, his system perfected and his coaching skills improved. Yet he decided a college QB carousel was a good idea at the pro level, he's run off some of this teams favorite players and still he's barely mediocre, and as much spite as these Bob Fan Club guys have toward Koobs, they are supporting a guy who isnt any better. Just win baby, if you keep the W's coming the wolves will be kept at bay, but I wont put up with same routine mistakes from a mediocre coach and give him a lollipop and a participation ribbon just because? I mean what exactly have the Pro Bob crowd stated that he's good at? I've asked that question mutltiple times on here and its always ignored. Win more games than 9 THIS YEAR, that would be a start.
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Win less than 9 games should be a firing offense, while winning more than 9 should be expected b/c of the scheduled opponents for the remainder of the season. I mean, how much better could the table be set for keeping one's NFL HC'ing gig?
 
OptimisticTexan said:
Man, there's been a lot of piss-poor HC's who were good guys and the players liked that just weren't cut from the "Great HC" cloth. Anyone who's watched football for more than 50 years should know this.

O'Brien is not a great HC and probably will never crest that hill. He's had some decent season's when the AFC South was in the shitzer but when the AFC South was competitive, Texans have always wound up with a high draft position b/c of the effort.

My biggest gripe, he's still making the same kind of foolish mistakes he made in his rookie season. He still hasn't figured out how to marry his system and players into one cohesive unit. As we've all been witness to, he's not an OC savant.....Watson's ability to escape and extend plays have certainly led to results that O'Brien would like to hang his hat on but shouldn't. Each and every season O'Brien has been at the helm, he's managed to lose 1 or 2 very winnable games by making decisions that defy logic. I think O'Brien is a swell guy, a players coach but by no means does that elevate him to a great HC benchmark.

One thing I can say, O'Brien must have someone from way up above smiling down on him b/c after coming off a 4-12 season and opening 0-3, the Gods turned his upcoming scheduled opponents and AFC South to shite. O'Brien will get a winning season, the Texans will make the playoffs and O'Brien will again be regarded as an amazing HC....at least until the AFC South becomes competitive once again.
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Like, Do any of you guys watch NFL football bro?

For 1, “great” HC’s don’t grow on trees. You’re gonna be hard pressed to find a HC the caliber of a Bill Belichick or even Tony Dungy. So holding BoB to that standard is absurd and would be like holding DW4 to the TB12 standard of a great qb...It’s stupid & you're bound to be disappointed.

And your biggest gripes? Lol, all of that **** happens with every single HC in the league every single damn year....including Bill Belichick. They all lose 1-3 games a year that they should win. Hell, The Patriots lost back to back games to the Jags and Lions...think that was part of BB's plan? I know its cute talk show fodder for the skip Bayless' and Nick Wright's of the world to try and boil down a loss down to just 1-2 decisions that are made by the HC in a game but the reality of it is that's not even close to how these games unfold.

It's also well known how The Pats have been churning their RB & WR position for years looking for better fits within their scheme.

DW4's ability to escape & extend plays that have helped this team win is also just...……..like I don't understand how you can hold that against BoB. Do you hold Bree's ridiculous accuracy throwing the ball against Sean Payton when they win? Did you hold Manning's greatness in dissecting a defense against Tony Dungy we he won? You guys ……:mariopalm:.

As far as the whole "smiling down" on him part of your post. This isn't college football where you have your choice to schedule cupcakes...you can only play who the league sets up for you & who's in your division. I also find it comical how just 8 weeks ago before the season started this division was "tough" & we would be lucky to finish ahead of the Colts. Now that the Texans have ascended to the top and battled back from an 0-3 start, all of a sudden the division is trash & that's why BoB is winning it....even though everyone in our division has as least 3 wins..something only 2 other divisions in the NFL can claim.
 
Mr teX said:
Like, Do any of you guys watch NFL football bro?

For 1, “great” HC’s don’t grow on trees. You’re gonna be hard pressed to find a HC the caliber of a Bill Belichick or even Tony Dungy. So holding BoB to that standard is absurd and would be like holding DW4 to the TB12 standard of a great qb...It’s stupid & you're bound to be disappointed.

And your biggest gripes? Lol, all of that **** happens with every single HC in the league every single damn year....including Bill Belichick. They all lose 1-3 games a year that they should win. Hell, The Patriots lost back to back games to the Jags and Lions...think that was part of BB's plan? I know its cute talk show fodder for the skip Bayless' and Nick Wright's of the world to try and boil down a loss down to just 1-2 decisions that are made by the HC in a game but the reality of it is that's not even close to how these games unfold.

It's also well known how The Pats have been churning their RB & WR position for years looking for better fits within their scheme.

DW4's ability to escape & extend plays that have helped this team win is also just...……..like I don't understand how you can hold that against BoB. Do you hold Bree's ridiculous accuracy throwing the ball against Sean Payton when they win? Did you hold Manning's greatness in dissecting a defense against Tony Dungy we he won? You guys ……:mariopalm:.

As far as the whole "smiling down" on him part of your post. This isn't college football where you have your choice to schedule cupcakes...you can only play who the league sets up for you & who's in your division. I also find it comical how just 8 weeks ago before the season started this division was "tough" & we would be lucky to finish ahead of the Colts. Now that the Texans have ascended to the top and battled back from an 0-3 start, all of a sudden the division is trash & that's why BoB is winning it....even though everyone in our division has as least 3 wins..something only 2 other divisions in the NFL can claim.
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I understand where you're coming form but can you let me know when O'Brien and the Texans won the AFC South when it was highly competitive? O'Brien's track record would indicate below average by all measurable's after 5 years of trying to input his system.

For arguments sake, lets say O'Brien hits 10 wins this season and then the same mistakes that have hamstrung him for the last 5 seasons rear their ugly heads while he makes another last minute blunder to cost the Texans a WC victory......you going to be on board with extending O'Brien?
 
OptimisticTexan said:
I understand where you're coming form but can you let me know when O'Brien and the Texans won the AFC South when it was highly competitive? O'Brien's track record would indicate below average by all measurable's after 5 years of trying to input his system.

For arguments sake, lets say O'Brien hits 10 wins this season and then the same mistakes that have hamstrung him for the last 5 seasons rear their ugly heads while he makes another last minute blunder to cost the Texans a WC victory......you going to be on board with extending O'Brien?
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When was the last time the division was "competitive" by you guys' standards b/c that's what all this comes down to. The Jags won our division last year with a 10-6 record & the Titans backed into the playoffs by beating the Jags in the final game of the season to go 9-7. If us or the Colts beat either 1 of those teams just once more the jags are 9-7 & the Titans are 8-8 & probably don't make the playoffs. My point is that it really wasn't all that great of a division last year. Yet Folks here and elsewhere were considering the Jags SB contenders coming into the season...This with Blake Bortles at the helm.

& i contend that BoB has not made any "last minute blunders" to cost the Texans any wins. Sure, in the Seattle and NE games last year, he made some conservative calls, but they were far from calls that cost you those games. Too many plays & failures by players on the field in between had far more impact.

I would also contend that in both of his playoff appearances...….he didn't have DW4.
 
Football Outsiders DVOA rankings after week 8:

Defense: 5th
Special teams:5th
Offense: 24th

For reference, the Hoyer/Mallet year, it was ranked 24th also.

So despite having a much better QB and an excellent second WR in Will Fuller, O'Brien's OL carousel and poor playcalling have meant the offense is basically still terrible.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
I've personally witnessed far more failures than successes on his go-to 1st down call. Usually a 2nd down hole creator.
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BoB preaches complimentary ball for a reason. b/c he understands play to play, drive to drive, game to game each side of the ball is going to have failures. The belief that the other side can make up for each others failures is what makes a team.
 
Mr teX said:
BoB preaches complimentary ball for a reason. b/c he understands play to play, drive to drive, game to game each side of the ball is going to have failures. The belief that the other side can make up for each others failures is what makes a team.
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Makes sense he would think this because the defense is always making up for the offensive failures.
 
Uncle Rico said:
But 5 game win streak, guys didnt quit yada yada yada (thanks frank reich, thanks nathan peterman!) but of course its all because of Bill OBriens great coaching job and excellent calls especially in the red zone to turn it around yeahhh!

I will concede that the team has looked better and better over the last 2 weeks, hopefully that trend continues, but by year 5 you would have hoped that Buttcrack McQuack would have had his guys in place, his system perfected and his coaching skills improved. Yet he decided a college QB carousel was a good idea at the pro level, he's run off some of this teams favorite players and still he's barely mediocre, and as much spite as these Bob Fan Club guys have toward Koobs, they are supporting a guy who isnt any better. Just win baby, if you keep the W's coming the wolves will be kept at bay, but I wont put up with same routine mistakes from a mediocre coach and give him a lollipop and a participation ribbon just because? I mean what exactly have the Pro Bob crowd stated that he's good at? I've asked that question mutltiple times on here and its always ignored. Win more games than 9 THIS YEAR, that would be a start.
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Who exactly is that? You're so full of HATE that you couldn't see a positive if it was sunshine and rainbows
 
Wow. is there any middle ground on BOB? He sucks at some things and is good at others. He got us some ugly wins with trash QBs. He builds momentum over the course of the year. They do good halftime adjustments, he closes games when he is up at half, his boys play hard.

He has crappy game plans too often. His boys are not ready early in the year. He mishandles his QBs and judges players crappy. He thinks a left tackle can play right guard, his clock management and penalty acceptance are like WTF. he has some horrid and some good play calls.

So we end up being 9-7 until he gets better. After 5 years, he wont get much better. Watson as he matures can make up for some of his weaknesses. I was always aware enough of my shortcomings I hired people around me and told them I suck here, you handle it and kick me as needed. I kind of accept we could do better or worse, and since he was given an extension, hope the leaders on the team plug his holes better over time
 
OptimisticTexan said:
I understand where you're coming form but can you let me know when O'Brien and the Texans won the AFC South when it was highly competitive? O'Brien's track record would indicate below average by all measurable's after 5 years of trying to input his system.

For arguments sake, lets say O'Brien hits 10 wins this season and then the same mistakes that have hamstrung him for the last 5 seasons rear their ugly heads while he makes another last minute blunder to cost the Texans a WC victory......you going to be on board with extending O'Brien?
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Last season was the first time this division was semi competitive during O'brien's tenure.
 
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