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If Leach cap could be made right, I'd still like to have both and dump a bench guy at another position. BTW, Clutts is still on roster I believe at $555,000 cap space, non guaranteed with no dead $. Not much but that could go to Leach as part of his deal.
If Leach cap could be made right, I'd still like to have both and dump a bench guy at another position. BTW, Clutts is still on roster I believe at $555,000 cap space, non guaranteed with no dead $. Not much but that could go to Leach as part of his deal.
To me, I feel like the reason we kept CLutts on the roster after we signed Jones, was to run a 2 FB set every now and then.
And it's gonna seem longer if we get into talking about 2 FB sets. Jiminy Cricket!! A 2 FB set??? Really?? Hell, it might be so crazy it could work a couple of times.There's a 6 page thread about a fullback. My god the off season is long!
Please show some of the 2 FB sets used in the NFL last year.
I dunno.... we've done P/A passes out of three TE sets. Snuck one of the TEs into the flat while Schaub/Foster sells the run. Dreessen used to be pretty good at that in the redzone.We probably still wouldn't PA Fake on 1st Goal w that offense. 3 runs and a FG.
I dunno.... we've done P/A passes out of three TE sets. Snuck one of the TEs into the flat while Schaub/Foster sells the run. Dreessen used to be pretty good at that in the redzone.
No reason why two TEs and 3 RB sets (with Jones on the end like the third TE and Leach in the backfield) wouldn't totally sell the run fake and get one of the TEs loose for an easy catch.
Heck, maybe Schaub could keep it and bootleg it into the endzone....
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Jones was a Pro Bowl Alt in '07 and Leach has gone twice. Personally, Pro Bowl FB means to much to me as Pro Bowl ST'er.
Both guys have proven not only a willingness but a desire to block.
There's a 6 page thread about a fullback. My god the off season is long!
Hasn't Kubes been keeping 2 FB's of late? Vickers and that other guy both stuck around with Casey. I know the Casey thing was experimental but this isn't a huge departure guys.
I think lack of team success has hurt jones in some regard. Leach is not head and shoulders better than Greg jones.
I think it was Cushing that said he was glad that he wouldn't have to be meeting jones in the hole anymore when playing the jags.
Good Lord I butchered that post...glad someone was able to make sense of it.
I think they're easily the best 2 FBs in the league. Can't go wrong with either but can we afford a roster spot for a 2nd FB/STer? That would be one hell of a 2 man "wedge", Leach and Jones.
Ooooh... Now THERE'S a very interesting thought...
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Ooooh... Now THERE'S a very interesting thought...
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2. Jones has better hands than Leach.
Why does this keep getting asserted? Jones is a better open field runner I can understand.
Why does this keep getting asserted? Jones is a better open field runner I can understand.
As much as I disliked Winston, I'd go for this. He's much better than what we have to choose from this year, especially early in the year.I guess I didn't say it as clearly as I wanted. What I mean is he is able to catch the ball a little more easily which enables him to get into his open field running a bit better than Leach. While Leach can certainly catch he is not the same type of open field runner. Jones is a more fluid catcher (i think he was used that way in college too) and can certainly make moves in the open field. Leach is not quite as good, but when he gets the ball will run you over.
I am not sure I would want to sign leach, I was just trying to come up with ways to use him. In a perfect world. I would use the money I would have given leach to resign Winston to play RT...
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap10...each-says-hell-pick-new-team-within-two-weeks"I know I can play in this league, and I've got some teams that are courting me," Leach said Friday, according to the Daily Reflector. "In the next two weeks, I know where I'll be playing."
Leach has called a return to the Houston Texans, where he earned his first Pro Bowl selection in 2010, his first choice. He visited with the Miami Dolphins last week. Nearly every team that features a fullback has been connected to Leach at some point in the last week.
"There are a lot of teams out there that want me; about seven teams," Leach said. "Me and my agent are going to take our time and see what's the best fit for me. I'm probably going to play three more years before I hang it up."
I never disliked him, per se, just understood his weaknesses against speed rushers. He's still a better option right now than anything the Texans have ready.As much as I disliked Winston, I'd go for this. He's much better than what we have to choose from this year, especially early in the year.
I never disliked him, per se, just understood his weaknesses against speed rushers. He's still a better option right now than anything the Texans have ready.
Can we have both?
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I never disliked him, per se, just understood his weaknesses against speed rushers. He's still a better option right now than anything the Texans have ready.
I think Newton was an instant upgrade in pass protection until his injury.
I don't like to "hope" that a guy can return to form when preparing for next year. & being that our new guy is also coming off injury... I really don't like the situation we are in.
Picking up Eric would be nice, we can cross that off the list. But at what cost. I don't think he should play over a healthy Newton. So.... how much money do we want sitting on our bench?
Harris fits that bill. We're not paying him so much that he'll go to waste on our bench. We can cut him before the season starts if Newton & Williams are 100% (which we should know a few weeks into camp).Worse case scenario, we go into the season with Harris starting & Quiz is our only "healthy" second option. For that to happen, both Newton & Williams has to have major set backs with their injuries.
I think that is an acceptable risk/rewards option & I don't see the point of bringing Winston back.
If I looked at the whole team that way my only concern is NT.
Not because we don't have a big fat guy for the position, but because Eric Mitchell is the only known commodity to me. I don't know any of the back up guys. I've seen Crick take a few snaps there, but I don't think it's a position he can "hold down" if needed.
& Safety. Keo is still too high on the depth chart.
Please show some of the 2 FB sets used in the NFL last year.
I think lack of team success has hurt jones in some regard. Leach is not head and shoulders better than Greg jones.
I think it was Cushing that said he was glad that he wouldn't have to be meeting jones in the hole anymore when playing the jags.
Both of the above statements made because Jones is on the roster.
I think I know who you meant.
On the other question, my guess is that Harris/Quiz may very well be the two a RT. I have questions of both Newton and Williams being fully game ready by the beginning of the season. I feel that as far as Winston, his idea of a "home town discount" would run something like 1%....he thinks way too much of himself.
Both of the above statements made because Jones is on the roster.
or maybe Cushing actually meant what he said.
Year in & year out, MJD has been among the leagues leading rushers.
John Clayton says we're in on him. Too lazy to grab the quotes from Twitter.
I GUESS they can balance Jones and Leach?
I wouldn't mind having Greg Jones for special teams and as an emergency running back, assuming we pick up Leach. It can't hurt to have a back-up fullback like Jones who is versatile and also cheap.
John Clayton says we're in on him. Too lazy to grab the quotes from Twitter.
I GUESS they can balance Jones and Leach?
John Clayton ‏@ClaytonESPN 21h
It's interesting that former Ravens FB Vonta Leach is talking with his old team, the Texans. He might go to Miami, but Texans are interested
John Clayton ‏@ClaytonESPN 21h
Two teams other than the Texans and Dolphins are talking to Vonta Leach. He'll pick a team early next week.
With fullback Henry Hynoski still recovering from knee surgery, and with concerns that he won't be ready for the start of the regular season, the Giants are pondering a last-ditch effort to sign free agent fullback Vonta Leach, the Daily News has learned.
I don't see Texans in a bidding war. He went for the money last time and I think he will again.
Every player is different. Shane Lechler would have come to Houston years back but didn't because of his HUGE contract by the Raiders.
Now that money is no longer a necessity he's come here for cheap.
Look what Vonta just tweeted:
Oh hell yeah! Leach+Jones+Foster+Tate=Superbowl Champions!
@vleach44: Gm tweeps have a blessed day I see someone hacked my account this morning
Look what Vonta just tweeted:
With no other fullbacks on the roster, tight end Bear Pascoe filled in at that position during mini-camp, but the Giants would prefer to have a full-time fullback fill that position. The 6-foot-, 260-pound Leach – whom the Giants pursued back in 2007 when they signed him to a restricted free agent offer sheet that the Houston Texans eventually matched -- would be a huge upgrade if the Giants can figure out how to fit him under the salary cap. That won’t be easy, though, because he was cut by the Ravens after they couldn’t reach an agreement on a restructured contract, and a source said he has no intentions of signing anywhere for one year and a minimum salary.
That puts the Giants in a bind because they have only $3.3 million of room under the salary cap according to NFLPA records and the Dolphins, the only team Leach has visited, has $17.6 million of room. The Houston Texans are also interested in Leach, according to a source, but they have even less cap room than the Giants ($2.8 million).
To lure Leach, the Giants would have to get creative to keep the first-year cap number low, and would likely need to offer a multi-year deal. Leach visited the Dolphins on June 12 and they still remain the favorites to sign him. A source said eight teams expressed some interest in signing Leach, but he has no immediate plans to make any more free-agent visits.