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Ed Reed may miss games now

This is what Kubiak had to say just an hour ago.

“He’ll be back tomorrow,” Kubiak said Friday. “We’re hoping to do some field drills Monday and Tuesday with our extra days with him, with Kap (Head Athletic Trainer Geoff Kaplan)."

Reed visited his surgeon Dr. Marc Philippon earlier in the week and has made multiple trips to Atlanta to meet with the rehab specialist who helped him after his previous hip surgery in 2010. With the Texans' season opener in San Diego looming, Kubiak gave a timetable on Reed's status for the primetime game on September 9.

“We’ll probably make a quick decision early in the week, Monday or Tuesday, on his availability for San Diego,” Kubiak said. “We’re sitting here hoping and we’ll see how that goes.”
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Had this been the first time Ed Reed did this during preseason I could understand the negativity. This isn't this situations first rodeo.
 
PapaL said:
Had this been the first time Ed Reed did this during preseason I could understand the negativity. This isn't this situations first rodeo.
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I think you're absolutely right. This is just the way it works for Reed. Charlie don't surf and Ed don't training camp. If the man knows how to stay in shape and doesn't need to learn the offense then I actually prefer that he kick back and get as healthy as his 34 year old body can get.
 
I was big on keeping Quin in FA. I thought we'd need two safeties, assuming Reed was one of those, to replace Quin's versatility. We got our two safeties though, so I am still ok/happy with the move. Swearinger + Reed was a good replacement for Quin.
 
Leawood Hustla said:
why didnt we just keep glover quin?
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Part of the reason is a longer deal for Quin means less to pay guys like Cushing and Watt. I think it was a huge factor in the decision. You can pay to keep Quin and risk having less to pay the other two.

Or you could take another risk on Ed Reed who has a shorter deal, which would allow flexibility in paying others.
 
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infantrycak said:
There you were cobbling together an impressive sounding analysis and then you threw a landmine in front of yourself.

By the way, Schaub's cap hit in 2014 is $14.5 mil and he won't have a $20 mil cap hit even in the last year.
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In 2015 the year of JJs new contract Schaub is $17 mil and the yr after $19 mil

76Texan said:
But the Patriots have been restructuring or extending contracts all the time.
I know for sure that they extended Mankins in 2011, restructured Brady and Ocho Cinco's contract in 2012, and extended Brady this off-season.
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NE just GTD the remaining $ on the contract and extended it 3 yrs. No Pay raise, Brady went from $20+ mil cap hit in 13' to $13mil. NE has $12 mil dead money from players cut. Even with NE $12 mil in dead money vs Texans $2 mil NE has 18 players @ $1.5 mil+ vs Texans 15 @ $1.5 mil+. (FYI-NE has 5 players w/ $1 mil in DM)
 
Texian said:
In 2015 the year of JJs new contract Schaub is $17 mil and the yr after $19 mil



NE just GTD the remaining $ on the contract and extended it 3 yrs. No Pay raise, Brady went from $20+ mil cap hit in 13' to $13mil. NE has $12 mil dead money from players cut. Even with NE $12 mil in dead money vs Texans $2 mil NE has 18 players @ $1.5 mil+ vs Texans 15 @ $1.5 mil+. (FYI-NE has 5 players w/ $1 mil in DM)
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Schaub won't last that long on the current contract. He'll get cut or get his contract reworked (and by that I mean takes a pay cut) after next season most likely (depending on how things work out, maybe even after this one).

I really don't share your opinion that the Texans FO has mismanaged the cap. No 2 teams are exactly the same, and the contract and cap situations are fluid from year to year. The fact they NE has $12+MM in dead money is a failure in itself.
 
Texian said:
NE just GTD the remaining $ on the contract and extended it 3 yrs. No Pay raise, Brady went from $20+ mil cap hit in 13' to $13mil. NE has $12 mil dead money from players cut. Even with NE $12 mil in dead money vs Texans $2 mil NE has 18 players @ $1.5 mil+ vs Texans 15 @ $1.5 mil+. (FYI-NE has 5 players w/ $1 mil in DM)
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Like I said, I'm not a cap expert.
But if I read it right, Brady's contract includes a $30M signing bonus plus $1M in base salary this year.
If Brady is out like he was before, it's tough sledding.
Or am I being ignorant?
 
paycheck71 said:
Schaub won't last that long on the current contract. He'll get cut or get his contract reworked (and by that I mean takes a pay cut) after next season most likely (depending on how things work out, maybe even after this one).
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If he wins the Super Bowl I bet he gets a Romo/Flacco type contract.



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b0ng said:
Who did the Texans restructure in the recent years that you are referring to? Antonio Smith (2011) and Andre Johnson (2011, 2012)? Show me how you got to $12 - $15m in restructured contracts and that you aren't just throwing numbers around.
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2012 - Joseph restructured $5 million, Johnson restructured $5.2 million
2011 - Johnson Restructured $7.5 million, Demeco Ryans $4 million & Antonio
Smith $3 million. There was more earlier but those $$$ are now off the books.

thunderkyss said:
Would you happen to know the number for the other NFL teams? Preferably the Patriots & Steelers since many think that is the definition of long term cap management.

But I'd also wonder what the number is for the Ravens (who damn near dumped their whole team), the Packers, & the 49ers.
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No I don't but I do believe that currently NE is approx $13 mil under the cap, the Steelers approx $5 mil under and the Ravens approx $6 mil and the Texans approx $2 mil under. The final official start of the season cap numbers should be out in a day or two.
 
infantrycak said:
Which contradicts nothing I said.

Thanks for being 4 days late and a dollar short.
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Sorry I have been out of town, Didn't say you were contradicting, just trying to keep your apple from turning in to an orange and the universe parallel.
 
76Texan said:
Like I said, I'm not a cap expert.
But if I read it right, Brady's contract includes a $30M signing bonus plus $1M in base salary this year.
If Brady is out like he was before, it's tough sledding.
Or am I being ignorant?
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You're right, Brady's original contract had 2 yrs left and NE GTD the $$$ and spread it over 5 yrs. and if Brady gets hurt $$$ are GTD and there is no Tebow.
 
76Texan said:
Like I said, I'm not a cap expert.
But if I read it right, Brady's contract includes a $30M signing bonus plus $1M in base salary this year.
If Brady is out like he was before, it's tough sledding.
Or am I being ignorant?
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Brady's contract is different than most in that the signing bonus is paid out over the life of the contract not just prorated for cap purposes. It is also fully guaranteed through him being 43 years old. All he has to do is show up willing to play and the Patriots are paying him.
 
Texian said:
In 2015 the year of JJs new contract Schaub is $17 mil and the yr after $19 mil
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People seem to forget (or never realized) that it's entirely possible (perhaps even likely) that 2015 won't be the year of JJs new contract - and not because he gets extended early.

JJ was a first round pick in the first draft class under the current CBA. More importantly, JJ was the 11th pick in the first draft class under the current CBA. Without getting mired in the details, as a component of that CBA, the Texans have a unilateral, non-negotiable option for a 5th year with JJ. This option exists with all first round picks under the current CBA. The amount of the option for the top 10 picks is the Transition tag amount (Essentially, the average of the top 10 highest paid players at their position during their 4th year). For picks 11-32, it's considerably less than that (Essentially, it's the average of the 3rd thru 25th highest paid players at their position during their 4th year), and the CBA is very specific that it can't be supplemented with bonuses or any other type of compensation. To give a little perspective to this, according to Spottrac, for 2013, the average of the 3rd-11th (they only list the top 10 and ties) highest paid DE's is $7.43 Million, so factor in 14 more lower paid players and imagine what you'll get.

What this means is that should they decide to do it, the Texans have JJ for a fifth year at an amount likely south of $6 Million. Add on the fact that they'll still have the right to franchise him for 2016, and with the 2013 Franchise and Transition tag amounts for DE's at roughly $11.2 and $9.15 Million respectively, plus a minimal growth for those tag amounts recently, and it could easily be 2017 before JJ sees either a contract amount in excess of $12 Million or the open market.

I'm sure some of you are saying that's screwing JJ, and McNair and the Texans would never let that happen, well, I'm sure the preference would be to strike a long term deal at a reasonable amount sometime in the offseason between JJ's 3rd and 4th contract year. If that can't be done, and the alternative is to let JJ walk, there's no doubt in my mind the Texans would "screw" JJ.

Now excuse me - I've got to go fret that in five years, JJ might be playing for someone else.
 
ChampionTexan said:
People seem to forget (or never realized) that it's entirely possible (perhaps even likely) that 2015 won't be the year of JJs new contract - and not because he gets extended early.

JJ was a first round pick in the first draft class under the current CBA. More importantly, JJ was the 11th pick in the first draft class under the current CBA. Without getting mired in the details, as a component of that CBA, the Texans have a unilateral, non-negotiable option for a 5th year with JJ. This option exists with all first round picks under the current CBA. The amount of the option for the top 10 picks is the Transition tag amount (Essentially, the average of the top 10 highest paid players at their position during their 4th year). For picks 11-32, it's considerably less than that (Essentially, it's the average of the 3rd thru 25th highest paid players at their position during their 4th year), and the CBA is very specific that it can't be supplemented with bonuses or any other type of compensation. To give a little perspective to this, according to Spottrac, for 2013, the average of the 3rd-11th (they only list the top 10 and ties) highest paid DE's is $7.43 Million, so factor in 14 more lower paid players and imagine what you'll get.

What this means is that should they decide to do it, the Texans have JJ for a fifth year at an amount likely south of $6 Million. Add on the fact that they'll still have the right to franchise him for 2016, and with the 2013 Franchise and Transition tag amounts for DE's at roughly $11.2 and $9.15 Million respectively, plus a minimal growth for those tag amounts recently, and it could easily be 2017 before JJ sees either a contract amount in excess of $12 Million or the open market.

I'm sure some of you are saying that's screwing JJ, and McNair and the Texans would never let that happen, well, I'm sure the preference would be to strike a long term deal at a reasonable amount sometime in the offseason between JJ's 3rd and 4th contract year. If that can't be done, and the alternative is to let JJ walk, there's no doubt in my mind the Texans would "screw" JJ.

Now excuse me - I've got to go fret that in five years, JJ might be playing for someone else.
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MSR. Pointed out that 5th year option to a friend of mine. He kept arguing that wasn't the case. In 5 years, it won't matter or............it won't matter.
 
paycheck71 said:
I don't see that happening. If that happens, he just stays on his current contract, and we have a SB winning QB at a bargain.
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$14.5M, maybe.

But I don't see the Texans taking a $17M cap hit in 2015, or a $19M cap hit in 2016. Especially if they're trying to sign Cushing & Watt. Those cap hits will come down by prorating a signing bonus and adjusting his salary.

Someone said this contract gives Matt two years to win a Super Bowl, including the 2014 year as a "chance." I think the two years started from the day he signed it, last September. This year is his last chance to prove he's a franchise QB (whether that means winning a SB or not, I don't know, but I think it does).

Some here believe Case Keenum is our future at QB, if that's the case, I can see them parting ways with Matt Schaub at the end of this season to free up room for other players. But not if he wins the Super Bowl.
 
thunderkyss said:
$14.5M, maybe.

But I don't see the Texans taking a $17M cap hit in 2015, or a $19M cap hit in 2016. Especially if they're trying to sign Cushing & Watt. Those cap hits will come down by prorating a signing bonus and adjusting his salary.

Someone said this contract gives Matt two years to win a Super Bowl, including the 2014 year as a "chance." I think the two years started from the day he signed it, last September. This year is his last chance to prove he's a franchise QB (whether that means winning a SB or not, I don't know, but I think it does).

Some here believe Case Keenum is our future at QB, if that's the case, I can see them parting ways with Matt Schaub at the end of this season to free up room for other players. But not if he wins the Super Bowl.
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I basically agree. I think $17-19MM cap hit for him is too much. But it may not be in a couple of years, depending on whether the cap goes up, and what other new QB contracts are signed, especially if he does win a SB.
 
thunderkyss said:
Someone said this contract gives Matt two years to win a Super Bowl, including the 2014 year as a "chance." I think the two years started from the day he signed it, last September. This year is his last chance to prove he's a franchise QB (whether that means winning a SB or not, I don't know, but I think it does).
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Franchise QB doesn't equal Super Bowl winning QB. Dan Marino never won a Super Bowl but he damn sure was a Franchise QB.
 
There's a reason why I had said many times that I don't like the business side of football. It's not fun, just like all the informative medical info that CND has been providing us. I keep go back and forth whether I want to know about those things or not. More often, I would rather not know about them things. No fun at all.
 
76Texan said:
There's a reason why I had said many times that I don't like the business side of football. It's not fun, just like all the informative medical info that CND has been providing us. I keep go back and forth whether I want to know about those things or not. More often, I would rather not know about them things. No fun at all.
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I don't think any fan needs to be an expert on cap management or be an MD, but having basic knowledge doesn't hurt and just realizing that things like the salary cap and injuries severely impact football decisions, i.e. not being able to resign ALL the players you want to keep, or not being as deep as you'd want to be across the board.
 
76Texan said:
There's a reason why I had said many times that I don't like the business side of football. It's not fun, just like all the informative medical info that CND has been providing us. I keep go back and forth whether I want to know about those things or not. More often, I would rather not know about them things. No fun at all.
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Texian said:
2012 - Joseph restructured $5 million, Johnson restructured $5.2 million
2011 - Johnson Restructured $7.5 million, Demeco Ryans $4 million & Antonio
Smith $3 million. There was more earlier but those $$$ are now off the books.



No I don't but I do believe that currently NE is approx $13 mil under the cap, the Steelers approx $5 mil under and the Ravens approx $6 mil and the Texans approx $2 mil under. The final official start of the season cap numbers should be out in a day or two.
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add: 2013 - JOHNSON Restructured $5.5 million
 
PapaL said:
We're talking about practice. PRACTICE!
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Originally Posted by Texn4life View Post
An Ed Reed thread about missing games with no talk about how he actually participated in a full practice today?
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The only CONTACT practice on a Monday football week usually occurs on Thursday, not Wednesday as typical. Then again you don't know how much Reed would be "let loose" even during that practice.
 
PapaL said:
Franchise QB doesn't equal Super Bowl winning QB. Dan Marino never won a Super Bowl but he damn sure was a Franchise QB.
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This is true and when Matt plays in a fashion that gets him consistently compared to Dan Marino then he'll have a case for being a franchise QB. Without that level of performance though he will probably need to get a ring to be able to make that case.
 
Hervoyel said:
This is true and when Matt plays in a fashion that gets him consistently compared to Dan Marino then he'll have a case for being a franchise QB. Without that level of performance though he will probably need to get a ring to be able to make that case.
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So your point is we currently have no franchise QB?
 
PapaL said:
So your point is we currently have no franchise QB?
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LOL.

I think we need to agree on the definition of a franchise QB.

IMO, a franchised QB is one that can help your team contend for the play-offs consistently, provided that the other units also do their job.
For example, look at Peyton's play-off record; it's 9-11.
Manning has a losing play-off record, but nobody would say that he's not a franchise QB.

We know that the Texans could have won many more games if only the D and the special team had played up to contenders level.
 
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