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Ed Reed agrees to terms with Texans
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ASidd_1990
Waterboy
John McClain ‏@McClain_on_NFL 3m
CretorFrigg
Fire Rick Smith
:mariopalm: :wadepalm:
Hey, what happened to all the talk about firing Smith, Kubes, etc...? I thought Smith was inept! Not a good GM! What happened? 
As for the contract (16 million over 3 years), I hope it doesn't mess up sigining Cush next year or Watt the year after. Anyone know if these figures are right and how much is guaranteed?
As for the contract (16 million over 3 years), I hope it doesn't mess up sigining Cush next year or Watt the year after. Anyone know if these figures are right and how much is guaranteed?
Dutchrudder
Hall of Fame
That amount of money hurts this signing. I hope the guaranteed money is spent after one year, because I don't trust him to make it through two. Still, it's mind boggling that the front office valued Reed at 5.33m a year for 3 years, yet wouldn't offer Glover Quin the 4.7m a year he got from the Lions.
SAMURAITEXAN
All Pro
Obviously, our FO think highly of Reed than Quin. Perhaps, Reed fits better in what Wade is trying to do with our D?
mariowillshine15
All Pro
I think they highly value him being on a championship team, and the confidence he'll give our players with him being back there.
Quin is the younger guy and is getting better while Reed is declining but i think they think what we're missing is mental not physical.
Brisco_County
Apples and roadmaps
Here's what this signing implies to me:
1) Rick Smith is establishing a history of accurately gauging a player's true market value. Many GM's and scouts never develop that sense. Whether he's doing the evaluation or a staff, it is contributing to some shrewd decisions.
2) He will no longer ignore the issue of lacking veteran leadership. He is acknowledging that Andre and Cushing can only do so much.
3) This proves to Andre that the organization is willing to pay an aged, experienced player for his leadership. It makes the case that Andre will one day retire as a Texan.
1) Rick Smith is establishing a history of accurately gauging a player's true market value. Many GM's and scouts never develop that sense. Whether he's doing the evaluation or a staff, it is contributing to some shrewd decisions.
2) He will no longer ignore the issue of lacking veteran leadership. He is acknowledging that Andre and Cushing can only do so much.
3) This proves to Andre that the organization is willing to pay an aged, experienced player for his leadership. It makes the case that Andre will one day retire as a Texan.
Isn't the impact related to how the contract is structured moreso than the reported max value? We still don't know for sure how much is guaranteed, how much is signing bonus, and how much is incentive-based.
I would hope that the $4 mil/yr for 3 yrs is all that's guaranteed and the rest of the 16 mil is signing bonus and incentives. Even better would be 4-4.5 mil for two yrs with an option for a 3rd year plus the signing bonus/incentives making up the delta.
ASidd_1990
Waterboy
Still can't believe Ed freaking Reed is a Texan!
There's still a remote chance. Reed hasn't put pen to contract - our contract - yet. I think he's still hoping Ozzie coughs up a few more bucks to let him come back to the Ravens.
Hey, what happened to all the talk about firing Smith, Kubes, etc...? I thought Smith was inept! Not a good GM! What happened?
Uh... I think you answered your own question.
You can't be 100% on board with Rick Smith & believe what you stated in the second half of your post. Blind pigs & acorns are what we're talking about here & how this contract is structured is a big part of whether Smith did a good job or not.
he gets an A for effort. I've criticized him for not being able to sell the Houston Texans as a destination for players who want to do something. Connor Barwin (whom Wade "loves") was signed by the Eagles & will only cost $1.3M towards the 2013 cap, $2.1M towards the 2014 cap. That's a good GM on a team that is backsliding.
Casey just signed a deal where I can't remember the numbers, but it's also pretty cap friendly as well, on the same water treading team.
Quin just signed a deal with a perennial loser that wasn't more expensive than what we should have been offering him over the first two years.
Yeah, there may be reasons why the Texans let those guys go. Back ended deals may not be the best thing for us right now. & losing Quin for Reed... yeah I would have done that as well.
If this team gets to the Super Bowl in 2013, 2014.... then without a doubt Rick Smith is the man. If we start backsliding because we can't field a decent team... well, y'know.
I don't know if Reed fits better with Wade. I think we just got tired of watching our team look like deer in the headlights when we played "Aaron Rogers" or "Tom Brady" or when things got real in December.
GP
Go Texans!
I certainly hope so.
This news I woke up to has me a little anxious. When I saw "$16 million over 3 years," I was a little taken aback.
Am hopeful that the cap money is around 4.
BullNation4Life
All Pro
ok so where are all y'all getting these numbers? Radio said Reed is getting a 2 yr contract worth 7-7.5 mil, now I see 3 year 16 mil on this board? Saw one say 6 mil per for 3 years...
When will the true number come out?
When will the true number come out?
Thorn
Dirty Old Man
He is not worth that kind of money. Hell, no football player is, let alone Reed. Oh well, it's not my money, and other that a few shirts and hats I don't spend any money on the Texans anyways.
Let 'em overpay the bastards if they wish. If it translates into wins maybe it'll keep me from bitching about it. LOL
SAMURAITEXAN
All Pro
Hopefully, addition of Reed can provide us extra time for our front 7 to constantly pressure QB this coming season.
texan279
Hall of Fame
I feel better about it now. Not too bad.
TexanSam
Hall of Fame
That's not bad at all. I was expecting it to be much more than that.
Saw this on an earlier post:
Maybe the deal is for 2 years with an option for a 3rd. And, if you heard 7 to 7.5 mil, then maybe it's a front loaded contract, which would make sense if you are trying to sign Cush next year and Watt the year after. They can't tie up too much money long term.
As bad as the ST's are Lechler would be a major upgrade. Coach Joe needs all of the help he can get. If a PR is having to fair catch most of the time, problem solved. Can Lechler kick KO's out of the end zone?
Ags = K/P, what's the world coming too?
handswarmer
Rookie
I really hope you get what you expect ; Get used to a back pedaling Reed, trying to drag a runner/WR down by his shoulder pads- its a look we saw a lot around here.
He is an ICON, perhaps a GOAT at Safety. Wonderful guy and hard worker. Just not sure he is as good as he once was.
He is an ICON, perhaps a GOAT at Safety. Wonderful guy and hard worker. Just not sure he is as good as he once was.
Señor Stan
El Guapo
He has started every game over the past 2 seasons....
We all know he is not as great as he once was. In fact, every team, coach, and owner in the NFL knew that. Thats why he didnt get a 6yr/$45mil deal. He got two years and that was his best offer.
With that being said, he is a huge upgrade over Shiloh Keo which was our starting safety the moment Quin left town. I also believe he is better than any safety we draft at the 27th pick. He will offer experience, locker room presence and coaching abilities to our young DB's and that is worth the money paid. On top of being a play maker still.
b0ng
Bad Hombre
Punting wasn't the major problem with our ST's last year. Coverage and blocking were the major bugaboos.
You've made that very known and everyone here acknowledges that. Find me one post where someone has said we're getting the old Ed Reed. We get it....... he's lost a step and isn't the player he was when he won DPOY. If he was then its doubtful he'd be on the market in the first place.
ThaJokaa
True Texans Fan
Señor Stan;2140515 said:
IDK where people are getting this injury thing from...
http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/3552/ed-reed
GP (Games Played)
I don't think anyone is expecting him to be who he was. We signed the guy he is.
FYI, for all you Texans fans, here's a video from CSN Baltimore for their side of the story. I found it interesting what they said about the Texans
IDK where people are getting this injury thing from...
http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/3552/ed-reed
He plays hurt.
It seems like he's always hurt. I'm sure that leads to sub-par play.
Another thing to consider, is if he has accepted the "fact" that this is his last deal, he may not play hurt from now on. He may go into "protect my body for life after football" mode for all we know.
ThaJokaa
True Texans Fan
Hey, what happened to all the talk about firing Smith, Kubes, etc...? I thought Smith was inept! Not a good GM! What happened?
As for the contract (16 million over 3 years), I hope it doesn't mess up sigining Cush next year or Watt the year after. Anyone know if these figures are right and how much is guaranteed?
Lets see how the contract is set up before before singing Ricks praises.
Hopefully it's not a Schaub type contract. Where the bonus $$$$ is spread out = over the life of the contract.
ThaJokaa
True Texans Fan
Doubtful, I think he gets most of the money his 1st year since we have to resign Cush and Watt
The Pencil Neck
Hall of Fame
I don't get why some people are freaked out over the price.
Weren't we all hoping he'd be around 5.5 mil a year? For a 3 year deal, that works out to 16.5 million... which is less than what we're hearing. And at this point, we don't know how much of that is guaranteed and how the cap hit is distributed.
Although that's longer than I think Reed can be effective, players rarely see the ends of these kinds of deals.
Although Reed wasn't my first choice, I'm OK with what I'm hearing so far and I hope Reed proves me wrong about how much he's got in the tank. I'm cheering for him now.
Weren't we all hoping he'd be around 5.5 mil a year? For a 3 year deal, that works out to 16.5 million... which is less than what we're hearing. And at this point, we don't know how much of that is guaranteed and how the cap hit is distributed.
Although that's longer than I think Reed can be effective, players rarely see the ends of these kinds of deals.
Although Reed wasn't my first choice, I'm OK with what I'm hearing so far and I hope Reed proves me wrong about how much he's got in the tank. I'm cheering for him now.
Reed has started every game the past two seasons. Andre Johnson has missed more games the past two years, so I guess A.J. will be in a backbrace when the Texans go to the Super Bowl?
CretorFrigg
Fire Rick Smith
Ed Reed....
Youre thinking of Brooks Reed, our OLB
Yeah...someone mentioned that earlier. :wadepalm:
Complete fail on my part.
powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
Well yeah but it was good for a laugh. Dont feel bad man, and thanks.
Luv_ya_blue
Truth, Love, Faith & Obedience - Christianity 101
Excited about the leadership that he can bring. If he can help cultivate leadership with guys like Cushing & Watt, I'd like to see how it goes.
No question that he's lost a step or two, but building a cohesive unit on defense is so much more important for us at this stage of our franchise.
$ .02
No question that he's lost a step or two, but building a cohesive unit on defense is so much more important for us at this stage of our franchise.
$ .02
False Start
On # 69
Looks like Roc Carmichael will be getting punked out of his jersey number.
rolyat93
Waterboy
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
I hope this is more like when Drexler came to Houston to play with Olajuwon and not like when Scottie Pippen came to Houston to play with Barkley.
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GP
Go Texans!
ESPN keeps reporting it's a 2-year deal, not a 3-year deal. FWIW.
Also, and this is something nobody else has mentioned:
In terms of what fans think of this move....let's look at it from another perspective for a second. If you're the QB of the Jaguars or the Titans, even Andrew "God" Luck himself, or really any of the other QBs we'll face in 2013, upon learning today that the Texans have Ed Reed at Safety rather than Glover Quin, do you think those coaches, those o-coordinators, and the QBs of those teams we'll face in 2013 were saying "Alright! AWESOME! Whew, great news for us!" or were they saying "Well, we're going to have to work a lot harder at diagnosing coverages now."
Which reaction do you think would be the more likely reaction by our opponents? I happen to think the opponents, especially our divisional rivals, are not as skeptical of this signing as some of us might be.
Fans are not calculating the inherent psychological factor involved here. And look, if Ed Reed gets torched Faggins style in 2013, right out of the gate, then the mystique is gone and we'll be toast. BUT...if Wade and his healthy defense can start the season with radical back-to-form domination, with Ed Reed making coverage plays on defense, then I think it will provide a psychological boost to us and a psychological anxiety attack for opposing teams the rest of the way.
Not saying this is Best Move Ever! or anything, just putting it into a different perspective. I think our divisional rival QBs did not want us signing Ed Reed. Glover Quin? Meh, no big deal...but Ed? Ed is Ed. And whether it stays typical Ed or not, that remains to be seen.
Also, and this is something nobody else has mentioned:
In terms of what fans think of this move....let's look at it from another perspective for a second. If you're the QB of the Jaguars or the Titans, even Andrew "God" Luck himself, or really any of the other QBs we'll face in 2013, upon learning today that the Texans have Ed Reed at Safety rather than Glover Quin, do you think those coaches, those o-coordinators, and the QBs of those teams we'll face in 2013 were saying "Alright! AWESOME! Whew, great news for us!" or were they saying "Well, we're going to have to work a lot harder at diagnosing coverages now."
Which reaction do you think would be the more likely reaction by our opponents? I happen to think the opponents, especially our divisional rivals, are not as skeptical of this signing as some of us might be.
Fans are not calculating the inherent psychological factor involved here. And look, if Ed Reed gets torched Faggins style in 2013, right out of the gate, then the mystique is gone and we'll be toast. BUT...if Wade and his healthy defense can start the season with radical back-to-form domination, with Ed Reed making coverage plays on defense, then I think it will provide a psychological boost to us and a psychological anxiety attack for opposing teams the rest of the way.
Not saying this is Best Move Ever! or anything, just putting it into a different perspective. I think our divisional rival QBs did not want us signing Ed Reed. Glover Quin? Meh, no big deal...but Ed? Ed is Ed. And whether it stays typical Ed or not, that remains to be seen.