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DW4 staying or going?

On May 1st 2021 DeShawn Watson will be:

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Texansballer74 said:
With Fuller testing the free agency market verses being franchise tagged speaks volumes to this D Quitter 4 situation. I'm thinking the Texans will trade him during the draft. There's no need to rush into things, be patient and make sure you get equal to greater value.
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I’m wondering if their not waiting to see where Wilson lands and for how much. The contracts are pretty similar as hit wise but Watson is younger, arguably has a higher ceiling and Texans will be footing a large portion of the bill. If a Seattle gets up a haul for Wilson Texans can turn around and say “hold my beer.
 
Texansballer74 said:
With Fuller testing the free agency market verses being franchise tagged speaks volumes to this D Quitter 4 situation. I'm thinking the Texans will trade him during the draft. There's no need to rush into things, be patient and make sure you get equal to greater value.
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I honestly don't think Caserio is going to cave in and trade Watson.

He'll either suit up for the Texans or he'll sit out and the Texans will suspend him to avoid his contract accruing a season.
 
76Texan said:
Also, I have a business advice for you.
"Cutting your nose to spite your face" isn't a good strategy.
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Is it cutting your nose off to spite your face if you dont get what you deem as proper value and deciding to wait until 2022 to deal him when you can for close to the same package (I dont see DW4's value going down if he's this generational QB you think he is) in the 2022 offseason and get your QB with the Texans pick (Probably 1-1 if the team is the Houston Watson's like you think it is) and rebuild the rest of the team with the bounty of picks the Texans get in a DW4 trade. Realistically they aren't going to get 7 picks for DW4. The fact that you think they can says everything about your fandom than reality.
 
76Texan said:
You guys may want to chew on this.

www.cbssports.com

Here's why Eagles, Lions QB trades likely intensified Deshaun Watson, Russell Wilson unrest

And why, in the end, it'll be hard for Houston and Seattle to keep disgruntled QBs
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I don't want to trade him, but I will if the price is right. That's the only issue here. The teams with the resources to pay what I want aren't on Watson's list. At least I don't think they are. If I'm wrong, great. Now they have to ante up.

I'm assuming the Jets & Miami aren't on the list, which is why, I believe, the Texans aren't accepting offers.
 
Corrosion said:
I honestly don't think Caserio is going to cave in and trade Watson.

He'll either suit up for the Texans or he'll sit out and the Texans will suspend him to avoid his contract accruing a season.
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And then we do it again next year? Watson is done with the franchise.

The Watson holdout will be all the news about texans all year long.

Personally I cant handle anymore of this. Draft day trade please
 
thunderkyss said:
I don't want to trade him, but I will if the price is right. That's the only issue here. The teams with the resources to pay what I want aren't on Watson's list. At least I don't think they are. If I'm wrong, great. Now they have to ante up.

I'm assuming the Jets & Miami aren't on the list, which is why, I believe, the Texans aren't accepting offers.
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Yeah he only wants to go to a team that’s a contender. But don’t want them to mortgage the entire farm for him.
 
steelbtexan said:
If you wnt to blame coacing for DW$'s failings, you gotta blame Reid.He should've been able to change up the game plan to be able to beat the Bucs. LMAO
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I didn't say anything about coaches. I'm talking about the 4 guys on our OL who didn't play as well as the 4 guys protecting Mahomes.

Yes, Mahomes had a rough go missing both starting Tackles. But his replacements played like Watson's starters.

Coaches?
 
thunderkyss said:
I didn't say anything about coaches. I'm talking about the 4 guys on our OL who didn't play as well as the 4 guys protecting Mahomes.

Yes, Mahomes had a rough go missing both starting Tackles. But his replacements played like Watson's starters.

Coaches?
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You mean they played as well as 2 time pro bowler Tunsil?

LMAO

BTW, isn't that what most DW4 apologists on this MB do? Blame everything on coaching.
 
Corrosion said:
Meh .... my wife is an insurance executive and my son an agent.


Need some insurance ?!
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No offense to your wife and son but my experience with insurance companies has been less that stellar. Wife and I were sitting at a red light when a guy barrels into the back of us. Even though police report and even the other driver said he was at fault they tried to raise our premiums.

Other case was after Harvey my flood insurance company tried to claim the damage was caused by the storm winds not the 3 feet of water in my downstairs. Had to get a lawyer on that one.

So like I said no offense but my opinion on insurance companies is less than positive overall.
 
maverick512000 said:
No offense to your wife and son but my experience with insurance companies has been less that stellar. Wife and I were sitting at a red light when a guy barrels into the back of us. Even though police report and even the other driver said he was at fault they tried to raise our premiums.

Other case was after Harvey my flood insurance company tried to claim the damage was caused by the storm winds not the 3 feet of water in my downstairs. Had to get a lawyer on that one.

So like I said no offense but my opinion on insurance companies is less than positive overall.
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You have the wrong agent!
 
Corrosion said:
I'm not so sure he could "go play in another league" while under contract in the NFL.

Only way that would work is if the contract were voided.

Closest thing I can find is Josh Gordon trying to go to the CFL while under suspension in the NFL and being rejected in the attempt (with the Browns agreeing to let him no less).
Josh Gordon can't play in CFL while under Browns contract | FOX Sports




You are wrong.

If Watson holds out (a violation of his contract), his cap hit is essentially rolled to the next season.

And in the event he "retires" .... the team can the league can simply void the guaranteed money for "conduct detrimental to the team" - Its standard language in every NFL contract.
The team could also choose to go after the money forcing Watson to return it ... all while still owning his exclusive rights should he "unretire".





Doesn't matter when the league has revenue sharing ....
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Revenue sharing is not enough to turn a profit.


Regarding Watson, let's assume everything you said is correct, (and actually I would have done the following regardless, if the McNairs want to play hardball - if I was Watson).

I actually have incentive to play well.
With this new coaching staff and whatever the new roster is going to be like, it's going to be hard to win anyway.
I'll try to win 6-7 games if I could, without hurting myself.
Collect my money. Yeah.

Repeat that the following year(S) as needed.

But why does it need to get ugly.
Carson Palmer sat out a year.
That didn't help anybody.
They finally had to trade him anyway.

Having Watson here isn't going to get this team anywhere, not with his heart in this compromising situation.
 
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thunderkyss said:
That's why I said 3 instead of 4 first round picks in the post you quoted, if he gives back the bonus
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Whatever works.
He'll get that bonus back from the other team anyway.

But I think the high picks are better.
They come with the rookie contracts.
 
thunderkyss said:
I don't want to trade him, but I will if the price is right. That's the only issue here. The teams with the resources to pay what I want aren't on Watson's list. At least I don't think they are. If I'm wrong, great. Now they have to ante up.

I'm assuming the Jets & Miami aren't on the list, which is why, I believe, the Texans aren't accepting offers.
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That's the job for the highly paid GM.
To get the other party to go along with something you like better.

You can ask for the moon, but in reality, you can only get the best deal available.

It's going to beat no deal by a hundred miles.

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At any rate, we don't know which team(s) are or aren't on his list.
 
I actually want them to force him to sit IF they dont get high value for him.

I loved Watson, believed he was our QB now and in the future.... but given the circumstances that led to us being where we are, my fandom for Watson has gone the route of some Colts fans with Andrew Luck and his sudden exit.

IF NC can do to some team, what any of the other 31 teams would have done in trade talks wit OB.....then I would be for trading him.

Id love for him to stay, be happy and move past this, but even IF the man is far from a diva or not, I cant see him be anything but toxic to the locker room if he stayed so let him stay on the sideline or at home......

However, if someone is trying to make a trade that only a moron like OB would agree too... let him cry on the bench.
 
76Texan said:
That's the job for the highly paid GM.
To get the other party to go along with something you like better.

You can ask for the moon, but in reality, you can only get the best deal available.

It's going to beat no deal by a hundred miles.

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At any rate, we don't know which team(s) are or aren't on his list.
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So if you're the GM you tell all interested parties that there are only two ways you would trade DW4. If the owner told you specifically to trade him OR if you make me an offer I can't refuse.
 
Corrosion said:
I honestly don't think Caserio is going to cave in and trade Watson.

He'll either suit up for the Texans or he'll sit out and the Texans will suspend him to avoid his contract accruing a season.
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I think it depends on the haul they could get (provided they ever check their voicemail), especially if Miami or the Jets are involved. On one hand I'd just as soon they tell Watson to suck it, he sits out, retires, whatever, and play this thing out. On the other hand, this franchise has got to start moving forward from this mess at some point.

If you don't trade him, he sits out, you don't have a chance to grab one of these top prospect QBs, and we're in QB hell all over again. Not that there's any guarantee with any of them, but who knows, you might get lucky. But you don't even get to take that chance if you don't trade him. You trade him, bring in a big haul, that you desperately need to start turning this thing around, and you move on from this mess.

The Texans play hardball, Watson sits out, and we're playing this game again next year. Trade him or let him sit. What do the QBs next year look like? Do they play hardball again and we go yet another season with no QB and do it all again in 2023?

Honestly, I think I'm starting to lean more towards moving on. No, I'm not in favor of letting Watson get to keep all his money for nothing and get what he wants, but at the end of the day, I don't ******* care about his or the team's money. I just want this football team moving in a direction of winning more games ASAP. If Watson is hellbent on never suiting up again in Texans gear, then let's get the picks and move on. Go win a SB before he does.
 
Speedy said:
I think it depends on the haul they could get (provided they ever check their voicemail), especially if Miami or the Jets are involved. On one hand I'd just as soon they tell Watson to suck it, he sits out, retires, whatever, and play this thing out. On the other hand, this franchise has got to start moving forward from this mess at some point.

If you don't trade him, he sits out, you don't have a chance to grab one of these top prospect QBs, and we're in QB hell all over again. Not that there's any guarantee with any of them, but who knows, you might get lucky. But you don't even get to take that chance if you don't trade him. You trade him, bring in a big haul, that you desperately need to start turning this thing around, and you move on from this mess.

The Texans play hardball, Watson sits out, and we're playing this game again next year. Trade him or let him sit. What do the QBs next year look like? Do they play hardball again and we go yet another season with no QB and do it all again in 2023?

Honestly, I think I'm starting to lean more towards moving on. No, I'm not in favor of letting Watson get to keep all his money for nothing and get what he wants, but at the end of the day, I don't ******* care about his or the team's money. I just want this football team moving in a direction of winning more games ASAP. If Watson is hellbent on never suiting up again in Texans gear, then let's get the picks and move on. Go win a SB before he does.
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If you trade him now you have got to get the biggest haul in NFL history by far. There’s still 2 months til the draft right? But I’m petty as hell. If he wants to sit, let him sit for a year, void the guaranteed money, trade him next season. And still get a haul back.
 
TxnsJuggernaut1 said:
Either that or he can play Qb in the Canadian Football League.
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Not unless the Texans release him from his contract, the CFL rules won't allow it.

At this point I've pretty much turned from a Watson supporter to a Watson hater. I say don't trade him, keep him, make him sit it out. Let it screw both the Texans and Watson, let everybody absorb the pain, including the fans that support this decrepit team.

The Texans and Watson both failing from all this horseshit is what they both deserve for getting themselves into this situation.

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Corrosion said:
Watson can play football for the Texans .... or he can go sell insurance.
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1: Who are you talking to?!
2: Deshaun from Statefarm
1: At 2 in the morning?!
*takes phone*
1: What are you wearing Deshaun from Statefarm?
*Camera on Deshaun, with HEB trash bags with his old gear sticking out the top and a tray of poppers*
DW: Ummmm, poppers.
 
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thunderkyss said:
I know you're not this dense.

People have said, "I wonder how Mahomes would play behind our OL."

Well, they don't have to wonder anymore, we saw it in the Super Bowl.
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I thought you were talking about the backup OT's and no the Texans OL while not good at run blocking wasn't bad at pass blocking. Hence DW4 setting passing records.
 
Speedy said:
I think it depends on the haul they could get (provided they ever check their voicemail), especially if Miami or the Jets are involved. On one hand I'd just as soon they tell Watson to suck it, he sits out, retires, whatever, and play this thing out. On the other hand, this franchise has got to start moving forward from this mess at some point.

If you don't trade him, he sits out, you don't have a chance to grab one of these top prospect QBs, and we're in QB hell all over again. Not that there's any guarantee with any of them, but who knows, you might get lucky. But you don't even get to take that chance if you don't trade him. You trade him, bring in a big haul, that you desperately need to start turning this thing around, and you move on from this mess.

The Texans play hardball, Watson sits out, and we're playing this game again next year. Trade him or let him sit. What do the QBs next year look like? Do they play hardball again and we go yet another season with no QB and do it all again in 2023?

Honestly, I think I'm starting to lean more towards moving on. No, I'm not in favor of letting Watson get to keep all his money for nothing and get what he wants, but at the end of the day, I don't ******* care about his or the team's money. I just want this football team moving in a direction of winning more games ASAP. If Watson is hellbent on never suiting up again in Texans gear, then let's get the picks and move on. Go win a SB before he does.
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Honestly , for the good of the team and its immediate future , I agree - You trade his ass for all you can get and one of those assets has to be the #2 pick in this draft.

Two problems


1) his contract is going to kill your cap in year one and the team he goes to is going to reap the benefits of that for the next 4 years as you have paid 17% of his total contract. That's giving that team a real financial advantage for the duration. That advantage equates to the Texans paying the contract of a ~$6m free agent in every year of the deal to play for someone else on their cap.

You can't make this issue go away. He's not giving money that's already been paid back.

2) His NTC. He wants to dictate the terms of his exit with that NTC limiting your return because it benefits him that your return is as low as possible.

IF I'm going to agree to trade him , its going to start with voiding the NTC so I can maximize my return. I have to make it painful for him and the team he goes to.

If I could get the Jets two #1's and 2 #2's this year along with 2 #1's next year , I pull the trigger immediately.
I'm NOT sending him to Miami - period. That team's "a QB away" and I can't send him to a good situation - that's both a business decision and out of spite. Screw that guy.

Then again , letting him weasel his way out with that contract is not good for the league from a competitive standpoint , as once players start dictating where they go , particularly with this much time remaining on their contracts , the NFL will look like the NBA with a handful of super teams.
And lets be honest , Its very unlikely even with all those picks that the Texans get fair value for one of the top players in the league. Its akin to the Rockets trading Harden .... no way they got fair value for a guy who's probably top 10 in the history of the league and now the Nets are contenders while we've gone from contender to lotto bound.
 
Miami is Watson's best destination and would bring the Texans the best package in return. The Dolphins have the draft assets and players to make an offer the Texans could more than live with. The Dolphins still have a solid team that could easily compete with the Bills if Watson is the QB. This is exactly what Watson is looking for......a franchise on the verge of being a SB contender and would therefore accept a trade to the Dolphins.

Jets make absolutely no sense to Watson and he would turn that trade destination down. The only folks seeing the Jets as a viable trade partner are those that want the #2 pick in order to draft Zach Wilson. Also, the Jets would just as soon draft Wilson themselves and use their cap and draft capital to build a team around him.

Carolina wants Watson but they just wouldn't have the cap, players nor package to make this deal happen. I'm not sure Watson jumps at the chance to go to the Panthers knowing what they'd have to give up in order to make this trade a reality.

Texans should openly take offers from all comers but keep a really close eye on what the Dolphins brings to the table. They need a QB if not sold on Tua and based on draft position that's not offering a sound option.

If Watson doesn't want to suit up for the Texans....then I don't want him anywhere near the organization or sitting around in Houston trying to stir shite. I want him out via trade and a robust rebuild initiated. Also worth mentioning.....Texans probably finish 2021 with the RD1-01-001 pick even after a solid haul of young talent due to the Watson trade. Like I mentioned, they can re-sign McCarron to carry the torch for 2021 and maybe 2022 while a new QB gets a season in the wings.
 
Corrosion said:
Honestly , for the good of the team and its immediate future , I agree - You trade his ass for all you can get and one of those assets has to be the #2 pick in this draft.

Two problems


1) his contract is going to kill your cap in year one and the team he goes to is going to reap the benefits of that for the next 4 years as you have paid 17% of his total contract. That's giving that team a real financial advantage for the duration. That advantage equates to the Texans paying the contract of a ~$6m free agent in every year of the deal to play for someone else on their cap.

You can't make this issue go away. He's not giving money that's already been paid back.

2) His NTC. He wants to dictate the terms of his exit with that NTC limiting your return because it benefits him that your return is as low as possible.

IF I'm going to agree to trade him , its going to start with voiding the NTC so I can maximize my return. I have to make it painful for him and the team he goes to.

If I could get the Jets two #1's and 2 #2's this year along with 2 #1's next year , I pull the trigger immediately.
I'm NOT sending him to Miami - period. That team's "a QB away" and I can't send him to a good situation - that's both a business decision and out of spite. Screw that guy.

Then again , letting him weasel his way out with that contract is not good for the league from a competitive standpoint , as once players start dictating where they go , particularly with this much time remaining on their contracts , the NFL will look like the NBA with a handful of super teams.
And lets be honest , Its very unlikely even with all those picks that the Texans get fair value for one of the top players in the league. Its akin to the Rockets trading Harden .... no way they got fair value for a guy who's probably top 10 in the history of the league and now the Nets are contenders while we've gone from contender to lotto bound.
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Harden has been a top #2 since he arrived in the league. He couldn't carry the Rockets nor did he even want to when it came to do-or-die time. He's finally with a team that allows him to be a true second fiddle.....I expect the Nets to be better.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
Harden has been a top #2 since he arrived in the league. He couldn't carry the Rockets nor did he even want to when it came to do-or-die time. He's finally with a team that allows him to be a true second fiddle.....I expect the Nets to be better.
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Of course , but where are the Rockets without him ? .... Did they get fair value ?

They are terrible and I don't think they did. (tho getting a teams entire draft for 7 years is crazy).
 
Corrosion said:
Of course , but where are the Rockets without him ? .... Did they get fair value ?

They are terrible and I don't think they did. (tho getting a teams entire draft for 7 years is crazy).
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Rockets couldn't afford to keep the Harden team b/c they would always be runners-up within the conference at best.

The Texans did not and will not be able to in the future be capable of building a solid winner around Watson. It's time to cut the losses and begin a new era.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
Rockets couldn't afford to keep the Harden team b/c they would always be runners-up within the conference at best.
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The Rockets issues were that they wasted so many assets in putting the wrong players around Harden .... in CP3 and Westbrook and assets wasted in ducking the luxury tax (and all the assets wasted getting out of Ryan Anderson's contract).
Westbrook was a disaster .... CP3 was a poor fit despite the results.

They blew their wad and yeah , it was time to start over.


The Texans did not and will not be able to in the future be capable of building a solid winner around Watson. It's time to cut the losses and begin a new era.
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I don't know if I agree they can't in the future put a good team around Watson - One year to clear their cap , assuming they dump all the garbage now and a great draft slot in 22 and it's a year season rebuild from this point in time.

Without Watson who knows how long it takes to get off the QB carousel ... another decade ?
 
Corrosion said:
Of course , but where are the Rockets without him ? .... Did they get fair value ?

They are terrible and I don't think they did. (tho getting a teams entire draft for 7 years is crazy).
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They’re terrible because of Wood going down after winning 6 in a row. Then add in that stupid game management. Now I think they’re tanking so they could get a top 5 pick. Hopefully they will be able to draft either Cade Cunningham or Evan Mobley.
 
The Rockets actually had the right assets around Harden. The main issue was James and the way management let him have his way. Dude would show up to meetings late, to the travel bus extremely late. He would stay in the different cities so he could hit up the strip clubs. Dude would show up to games all hung over from all the partying the night before in which would bleed over into the next day. Harden quit in several playoffs games throughout his time here. Management did not hold him accountable for skit. He ran off players and the final straw was his best friend didn’t want to play with him any more.

Watson wants that type of power, so since he’s not getting it, he wants out.
 
Texian said:
IMO I think Caserio will do what Janice tells him to do. If DW4 is embarrassing the McNair's and the Texans, she will likely say it is time for him to go.
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I agree .... but .... if Janice is under the influence of Svengali, like her son Cal .... well uhh, I'm pretty sure like O'Brien was, which led to the loss of one of the top receivers in the game .... carried on to Watson, one of the best quarterbacks in the game. We drafted Watson at age 20 or 21, and asked him to come and pilot all these more experienced players. He was a great young man who matured very quickly, and shouldered this team to the playoffs. Then, I watched this team begin to disintegrate before my eyes .... and in such mysterious, and unexplainable ways. I couldn't believe, much less understand, what was happening .... there was no rhyme or reason to it .... like one of those bad dreams where the dike springs a leak, stick a finger in, and two more appear, and there is no conceivable way to fix it. Watson, at some point, must have started to believe what he was seeing. I would guess he sought out the counsel of someone who was more mature and knowledgeable than he, with tons of integrity. Well, JJ probably told him to lay low, keep quiet, and stay on the move. He tries to, but when the new GM starts following the orders handed down by a charlatan like Jack Easterby, by way of Cal, Watson says, "Wait a minute, I've got a conscience to live with, and it's only money" ! DeShaun Watson doesn't want to play here. They are keeping Easterby .... so he does not trust them, and he doesn't want to be associated with them, anymore. The best thing for the team, is to trade DeShaun for all they can get, and let him start over, somewhere they appreciate him ... and, good luck to Us, should we start over ! I stayed away for 2 months so that I wouldn't do that .... ahhh, the best laid plans of mice and men ! So, we should stop all of the infighting .... we're treating this as if we have all of the facts !
 
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Texansballer74 said:
They’re terrible because of Wood going down after winning 6 in a row. Then add in that stupid game management. Now I think they’re tanking so they could get a top 5 pick. Hopefully they will be able to draft either Cade Cunningham or Evan Mobley.
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You do know that if their pick falls outside of the top 4 it OKC has the right to swap their pick (or Miami's pick) with the Rockets as part of the Westbrook deal.


Yes , they were playing well prior to Wood going down .... but they probably wouldn't have made the top 8. They'd probably have a pick in the 10-14 range.

The NBA is so different in that one player can dictate the entire leagues fortunes for a decade. I really hate that they have allowed that to happen ...
 
Corrosion said:
You do know that if their pick falls outside of the top 4 it OKC has the right to swap their pick (or Miami's pick) with the Rockets as part of the Westbrook deal.


Yes , they were playing well prior to Wood going down .... but they probably wouldn't have made the top 8. They'd probably have a pick in the 10-14 range.

The NBA is so different in that one player can dictate the entire leagues fortunes for a decade. I really hate that they have allowed that to happen ...
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I meant top 4. Watch them get lucky and get the #1 pick.
 
justmy2cents said:
I agree .... but .... if Janice is under the influence of Svengali, like her son Cal .... well uhh, I'm pretty sure like O'Brien was, which led to the loss of one of the top receivers in the game .... carried on to Watson, one of the best quarterbacks in the game. We drafted Watson at age 20 or 21, and asked him to come and pilot all these more experienced players. He was a great young man who matured very quickly, and shouldered this team to the playoffs. Then, I watched this team begin to disintegrate before my eyes .... and in such mysterious, and unexplainable ways. I couldn't believe, much less understand, what was happening .... there was no rhyme or reason to it .... like one of those bad dreams where the dike springs a leak, stick a finger in, and two more appear, and there is no conceivable way to fix it. Watson, at some point, must have started to believe what he was seeing. I would guess he sought out the counsel of someone who was more mature and knowledgeable than he, with tons of integrity. Well, JJ probably told him to lay low, keep quiet, and stay on the move. He tries to, but when the new GM starts following the orders handed down by a charlatan like Jack Easterby, by way of Cal, Watson says, "Wait a minute, I've got a conscience to live with, and it's only money" ! DeShaun Watson doesn't want to play here. They are keeping Easterby .... so he does not trust them, and he doesn't want to be associated with them, anymore. The best thing for the team, is to trade DeShaun for all they can get, and let him start over, somewhere they appreciate him ... and, good luck to Us, should we start over ! I stayed away for 2 months so that I wouldn't do that .... ahhh, the best laid plans of mice and men ! So, we should stop all of the infighting .... we're treating this as if we have all of the facts !
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Here's a fact : After he got paid (Easterby was already here.) that's when all of the Diva BS started.
 
Corrosion said:
The Rockets issues were that they wasted so many assets in putting the wrong players around Harden .... in CP3 and Westbrook and assets wasted in ducking the luxury tax (and all the assets wasted getting out of Ryan Anderson's contract).
Westbrook was a disaster .... CP3 was a poor fit despite the results.

They blew their wad and yeah , it was time to start over.




I don't know if I agree they can't in the future put a good team around Watson - One year to clear their cap , assuming they dump all the garbage now and a great draft slot in 22 and it's a year season rebuild from this point in time.

Without Watson who knows how long it takes to get off the QB carousel ... another decade ?
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They could be like the Chargers and go from Rivers to Herbert.
 
Corrosion said:
IF I'm going to agree to trade him , its going to start with voiding the NTC so I can maximize my return. I have to make it painful for him and the team he goes to.

If I could get the Jets two #1's and 2 #2's this year along with 2 #1's next year , I pull the trigger immediately.
I'm NOT sending him to Miami - period. That team's "a QB away" and I can't send him to a good situation - that's both a business decision and out of spite. Screw that guy.

Then again , letting him weasel his way out with that contract is not good for the league from a competitive standpoint , as once players start dictating where they go , particularly with this much time remaining on their contracts , the NFL will look like the NBA with a handful of super teams.
And lets be honest , Its very unlikely even with all those picks that the Texans get fair value for one of the top players in the league. Its akin to the Rockets trading Harden .... no way they got fair value for a guy who's probably top 10 in the history of the league and now the Nets are contenders while we've gone from contender to lotto bound.
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I think this is precisely why the Texans are acting as if they won’t trade him despite all the drama/negative press. They are going to leverage him to let them trade him for the best possible package of picks.
 
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