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DW4 staying or going?

On May 1st 2021 DeShawn Watson will be:

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Corrosion said:
You think the NFLPA is gonna get behind Watson on this ? .... Not hardly.

The NFLPA is who negotiated the rules he's trying to put himself above.

A few "stars" might take his side but the rank and file wouldn't support this at all.
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Who says anything about the league and the NFLPA.
 
thunderkyss said:
Still, I hope Hopkins trade is the last the Texans do like that. From here on out, I hope they do what’s best for the Texans, not the player.


what‘a the least you’d accept for Watson?
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I'll just let the offers come in one way or another (including on voive message or via a feeler from a third party), evaluate them, take the best deal and move on.
 
76Texan said:
We don't know how much they have talked.

But if this was his beef with Cal and Easterby then talking to Caserio serves no purpose.

Me, personally, if I don't want to work for somebody because something changes, yes, I would try to find a way to get out of it (the contract).
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It would be nice if they dissolve the contract, Houston get the full bonus back (the extension for which that bonus compensates hasn’t even started yet) & they can trade him as if he was on the final year of his rookie deal... that would be cool.

Still going to take 3 first round picks (in lieu of 4) to get him. & if the team(s) he wants to go to can’t/won’t cover... then he’s going to a team he doesn’t want to go to who can, or he’s going to sit.
 
maverick512000 said:
Yes I am, its what Kirk Cousins did, it what Dak is doing. Problem you and Watson have is you're not talking about the real world because in the real world you don't get to sign a multi million dollar contract and 4 months later, after collecting the signing bonus decide you have changed your mind.
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The Texans have a unique way out of this .....

They could let him out of his contract and insist upon return of signing bonus money and a noncompete.

Watson could go play in Canada , USFL , XFL or whatever other league until the noncompete expires.

That's how it is done in the "Real World."
 
KA4Texan said:
This is the really real world, there aint no comin back! There aint no comin back!
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Deshaun: Should have taken the blue pill...

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thunderkyss said:
It would be nice if they dissolve the contract, Houston get the full bonus back (the extension for which that bonus compensates hasn’t even started yet) & they can trade him as if he was on the final year of his rookie deal... that would be cool.

Still going to take 3 first round picks (in lieu of 4) to get him. & if the team(s) he wants to go to can’t/won’t cover... then he’s going to a team he doesn’t want to go to who can, or he’s going to sit.
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Because of that bonus, the draft picks that other teams offer would be more than usual.
In another word, the Texans are paying for additional draft picks.
 
FireBOB said:
Sorry, I still don't understand why this is good for the Texans? Surely having Watson on the field, or having a bag full of picks is preferable to the scenario you paint. Isn't no Watson on the field and no picks the absolute worst outcome?
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Watson on the field for the Texans is the Texans best outcome.

There's only one way to make that happen and that's NOT trade him.

FireBOB said:
The point was made that Watson being on the Texans books but not playing is exactly where the Texans want to be, which to me makes no sense. I'm trying to understand why you think that's a good thing - what am I missing? Or have I misunderstood your point?
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If he were to sit out , he wouldn't get paid and thus wouldn't "Be on the books".
 
thunderkyss said:
Got it. You’d accept less in a trade to make sure Watson is happy somewhere else spending your money.

That’s fine. But you have to understand not everyone is that stupid. O’Brien was, & it was those kind of trades that got us here.

Personally I hope those days are behind us.
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Great post TK ... you thank God I wasn't drinking something at the time cause it woulda went everywhere when I burst out in laughter.
 
Texansballer74 said:
I surely hope it plays out just like that. Make an example out him.
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Would certainly mean that his agent would lose some clients and hey on the plus side he’s guaranteed to be the greatest player in whichever league he goes to.

Honestly all joking aside I thought of this when watching the XFL as to why more of those mid-tier QBs either that are just backups or past their prime didn’t sign up for those leagues. Sure it’s not near same amount of money but it’s not bad and you will most likely be there as long as you want with a hardcore fan base.
 
thunderkyss said:
So if you paid a guy a $2,500 down payment to put a new roof on your house, & before he stripped half of it decides to go do roofs in Southern California where the weather is better for outdoor work, you’d be okay? It’s just business.
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Either side is allowed to seek its own course of remedy.
 
Lucky said:
The Texans couldn't trade Watson, even if they wanted to. Which likely ensures the NFL's worst record in 2021, giving the Texans the first picks in every round for 2022.

That would accelerate the rebuild.
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Sure ..... and they'd still own exclusive rights to Watson on a professional football field for the next 5 years.
 
Lucky said:
No one good will want to play here. Williams is just foreshadowing the Texans future.
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He realizes that he is under contract for two more years plus as a first-round pick a 5th year option and then two possible tag years. And with Watson going to the Jets I think he feels he has a better chance making more money in the long run remaining in New York.
 
76Texan said:
You guys may want to chew on this.

www.cbssports.com

Here's why Eagles, Lions QB trades likely intensified Deshaun Watson, Russell Wilson unrest

And why, in the end, it'll be hard for Houston and Seattle to keep disgruntled QBs
www.cbssports.com www.cbssports.com
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Not worried about another’s teams mishaps, miscues, F ups, and or garbages. Right now Watson is trying to screw the Texans over and that’s the bottom line. Finally got a franchise quarterback and this is how he acts. Spoiled freaking diva.
 
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badboy said:
And with Watson going to the Jets I think he feels he has a better chance making more money in the long run remaining in New York.
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He certainly thinks he'll win more with the Jets than he would playing for the Houston Easterbys.
 
Texansballer74 said:
Not worried about another’s teams mishaps, miscues, F ups, and or garbages. Right now Watson is trying to screw the Texans over and that’s the bottom line. Finally got a franchise quarterback and this is how acts. Spoiled freaking diva.
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You have Cal and O'Brien to thank.
Both were responsible for Easterby's presence here.
And O'Brien himself left a big mess, hurting the situation even more.
 
djohn2oo8 said:
And now you have Watson, who after multiple times backing the man who traded Hopkins for peanuts, threatening to refuse to play. No one made him choose to publicly support incompetence.
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Do you have inside info on the reason behind their spat? I don't think anyone here does. Until we do, placing blame is just speculation.
 
JB said:
And you've been b!tching for 4+ years because he wasn't Mahomes
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No because he had changed the way he plts like Mahomes did when he came out of college
thunderkyss said:
But that’s exactly what you’re doing.

Yes, Mahomes would do well with Tunsil on his left side & the rest of KC’s OL. But I bet he look more like he did in the Super Bowl with the Texans starting five. & he’d almost always have some nagging injury even though we don’t hear about them.

I’m not arguing they are different. I agree with you. Mahomes is without a doubt more physically talented.

But he was protected in the Super Bowl the way Watson is every game He should've been able (probably the main reason he wants out). Now maybe Mahomes would have done a better job hitting the short routes, hot routes, or whatever. We don’t know. He didn’t in the Super Bowl. He acted just like Watson, holding the ball trying to make something happen.
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If you wnt to blame coacing for DW$'s failings, you gotta blame Reid.He should've been able to change up the game plan to be able to beat the Bucs. LMAO
 
76Texan said:
In the long run, he'd get market value just the same.
In another word, his lifetime earning would/should come out approximately the same whether he signed an extension last year or this year.

BTW, I've seen people renege on their marriage contract quite often, and that one is supposed to be the most important one.
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I still don’t understand the he’s going to get paid angle you’re throwing out there. He’s been paid, he signed the mega contract. What does you saying he’s going to get paid by someone have to do with anything?

And marriage? Really? You’re all over the map there, bud.
 
SnakeEyes said:
Yes, I am excited to see if Culley will be able to get the D doing what he said. I remember watching games of the Steelers, to name 1 team. They had guys on the DL, they had LBs and DBs that imposed their will on other teams. You saw RBs look scared by the second quarter to run at Kirkland or Lloyd because they knew. Casey Hampton also was like that. And other teams that had good playoff runs with guys like Atwater, Norton, Long, Troy P, Lynch, Sapp, and more. The D was made to hit you even if you didn't catch the pass or have the ball on a fake run. The old "Make them not want to be on the field. Make them fear going across the middle for a pass." THAT mentally as long as they kept it legal won some teams games they should have lost. Look at what Dallas did on the defensive side of the ball vs Buffalo in that first SB meeting. Thomas was on the bench shaking his head and he actually did not come back in much after the first couple times he was blown up by the Dallas D. Kenneth Davis tried and I still can see Ken Norton with his hand under his facemask just driving him backwards. If we could have a D like that...look out. And you had Reggie White and Jerome Brown (RIP) in Philly making QBs make mistakes just from the thought of either or both hitting them again.

Get a D set up like that...and you have a good chance to win almost every game. Or shall we say a higher than 50-50 chance every game in theory starts at.
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since nobody plays a smash mouth offense anymore the physical aspect went from both sides of the ball to just the defense. The O is now more about finesse and avoiding contact. I loved watching dejected OLmen with their heads down as JJ was yelling at them to stop him. I know as a fan if my team lost a game in an offensive shootout I’m not as bummed as I would be if they just had their butts handed to them. that sucks out hope.
 
76Texan said:
An NFL team is not a prison.
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Yes, but Bob mispoke, the saying is "inmates running the asylum". Yes I know the NFL is not an asylum either, but he was trying to say that the NFL ownership should not be allowing the players (the employees) to dictate to the owners what they could and couldn't do during the singing of the National Anthem.
I'm sure Mr. McNair, in hindsight, wishes he'd have kept his mouth shut.
 
Speedy said:
I still don’t understand the he’s going to get paid angle you’re throwing out there. He’s been paid, he signed the mega contract. What does you saying he’s going to get paid by someone have to do with anything?

And marriage? Really? You’re all over the map there, bud.
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1. Like I said, he didn't have to sign last year. That way, he's only obligated to the Texans for the 5th yr option. Then he would be free to go play for somebody else. Some team will pay him big money then. His career earnings would end up approximately the same (assuming a normal NFL in the long run). He might earn less, he might earn more - the way the QB market is going.

2. Now that he had signed with the Texans, any dispute will be resolved by the parties involved, however they decide to go about it. If they decide to end with an ugly marriage, both sides will loose big time.
Watson will lose his 5-yr earning, but he can go play in the CFL or somewhere, earning about $1M a year plus endorsement money.
He won't go broke.
Then he can come back to the NFL.
And the Texans will loose big time as the team will suffer through at least a lost decade. Without the draft picks (which could be 3 firsts and 3 seconds thereabout) and no cap space in the near future, they will be like the worst expansion team ever. No Free Agent of note will come here.
After about 3-4 losing seasons, the fan base will erode and the value of the team will plummet. The McNairs will lose hundred of million dollars in revenues and valuation. They could easily become the Browns of old.
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Just end the marriage amiably and move on.
No need to point fingers.

It's a fraeking business.
 
djohn2oo8 said:
And now you have Watson, who after multiple times backing the man who traded Hopkins for peanuts, threatening to refuse to play. No one made him choose to publicly support incompetence.
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Whether he backed up O'Brien or he backs up the McNairs now is still incompetence the same.

If you want him to stop supporting incompetence, let him go.
Better late than never. :)
 
wildroot said:
Yes, but Bob mispoke, the saying is "inmates running the asylum". Yes I know the NFL is not an asylum either, but he was trying to say that the NFL ownership should not be allowing the players (the employees) to dictate to the owners what they could and couldn't do during the singing of the National Anthem.
I'm sure Mr. McNair, in hindsight, wishes he'd have kept his mouth shut.
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Bob McNair actually retracted his apology.

And I would rather stay out of the anthem thing.
I do what feel right to me, and I don't oppose others in the same manner.

Peace.
 
76Texan said:
1. Like I said, he didn't have to sign last year. That way, he's only obligated to the Texans for the 5th yr option. Then he would be free to go play for somebody else. Some team will pay him big money then. His career earnings would end up approximately the same (assuming a normal NFL in the long run). He might earn less, he might earn more - the way the QB market is going.

2. Now that he had signed with the Texans, any dispute will be resolved by the parties involved, however they decide to go about it. If they decide to end with an ugly marriage, both sides will loose big time.
Watson will lose his 5-yr earning, but he can go play in the CFL or somewhere, earning about $1M a year plus endorsement money.
He won't go broke.
Then he can come back to the NFL.
And the Texans will loose big time as the team will suffer through at least a lost decade. Without the draft picks (which could be 3 firsts and 3 seconds thereabout) and no cap space in the near future, they will be like the worst expansion team ever. No Free Agent of note will come here.
After about 3-4 losing seasons, the fan base will erode and the value of the team will plummet. The McNairs will lose hundred of million dollars in revenues and valuation. They could easily become the Browns of old.
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Just end the marriage amiably and move on.
No need to point fingers.

It's a fraeking business.
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The McNair's wont lose much of anything the NFL being a socialist entity assures this.

Teams tear down and rebulid all of the time. Look at the Colts as an example, the world was ending when Luck retired. What happened in reality? They quickly rebuilt and are SB contenders.

The Texans not only will survive trading DW4 but if they get proper value in the trade and hit on their picks, they will be in a much better place than they currently are with DW4's cap killing contract.
 
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