DW4 staying or going?

[steelbtexan]

I remember when JoJo was here. He use to throw some wild parties. Most of these guys in the sports arena and entertainment arena be wilding out.


Before Watson got drafted he was hanging out with a very popular porn star.

I could've sworn DW4 started hanging out with that porn star after he was drafted. I do remember after DW4 was drafted but before he had played a game he spoke one Sunday at Kerry Shooks church. If you're right I think maybe DW4 took the phrase Oh God a little to literally.

 

[Texansballer74]

Again as Corrosion asked What Did They Do to Harm DW4?

Supposedly lied to him. Lol GTFOH with that weak ash excuse Watson. Lol

 

[maverick512000]

You also aren’t a generational talent. Jesus Christ has the state of this country not shown you that rules apply differently when you’re rich? These aren’t people at your average job.

Watson is a corporation as much as the Texans are. He’s going to be paid by someone or he doesn’t play. His personal wealth is established. Unlike your average player, this kid ain’t dumb. He’s know a QB life’s span; much less one that plays his style. He’s playing the same game the organization plays when it cuts players but now everyone here is on their high horse about how the NFL does business.

And yeah there are financial penalties. Is the organization within its right? Yup. Now y’all suddenly think THIS organization is competent enough to manage a high game stakes?

It’s the blind leading the damn blind around here.

Yeah he is kind of dumb because he has no legal recourse. If Watson is a “corporation” then he is the mom and pop store trying to take on Wal-Mart. You keep acting like Watson is so much smarter than anybody the Texans have. First Caserio is a complete unknown but what we do know is he learned from one of the most cut throat people in this business of whom somebody like Watson and his agent aren’t even in the same ballpark.

None of that matters though because this isn’t Watson vs Cal in the brains department this is Watson and his agent vs the CBA, the NFL, all the other owners that don’t want this to be a trend and oh yeah the business and civil laws of the United States of America. So he talented, so what, that mean jack all in a court of law or to an arbiter.

Watson could be the greatest player in all of history and it doesn’t matter because he still signed on the dotted line. Likewise that “being set” you talked about financially it was the Texans that made him that way and the rules say if he followed through on his threats they not only can but are required to start taking that money back.

You say it’s the blind leading the blind around here but you and a couple of others can’t seem to understand that the Texans hood all the cards and they did the moment he signed the new contract. Now his future in football is entirely in their hands.

 

[OptimisticTexan]

I think that the rich should be held to a standard of standing by their word..... what they do in reality is their business and yes, they generally are treated differently, but I personally dont excuse it.

Its the people treating the rich as untouchable and need not be held up to a standard of accountability which is why the Texans, this country and many other systems are allowed to decline.

Again, IF Deshaun wanted out the right way and gave a big middle finger to the McNairs and Easterby, he would have had my FULL support.

I dont respect a man that doesnt honor his word, rich or poor, so yes.... Watson gets the finger too.

IF YOU want a rich person to not be held accountable AS an individual, then so be it. A corporation being held accountable would be ideal, but the reality is, a corporation is many and much harder to punish the many for the one.

Watson the man or 'Watson the corporation"... remains one.

If you give him a pass, good on you I hope he sends you a thank you basket for your support I guess.

I don't care who signed what or if I hired them....if I think there's a chance that I'm not going to get 110% or that the individual might end up being a cancer with the other employees....I wouldn't be able to get my boot upside their arse fast enough as I threw them out the door. Anything less than an individuals best is just not tolerated. I wouldn't keep that kind of individual around just to prove a point.

The only person I feel bad for in this whole crappy situation is David Culley. Guy has coached for quite a long time and finally gets his first HC'ing gig and it's essentially a lame-duck situation. He knows he'll probably get 2 years and then be replaced just as a rebuilt young team is ready to turn the corner. He should talk with former Astros skipper Art Howe so he can get a good feel for being a bridge coach.

 

[Corrosion]

Supposedly lied to him. Lol GTFOH with that weak ash excuse Watson. Lol

Lied about what exactly ?

And if it was about the GM hire .... there's a difference between you having input and you making the decision.
We heard what you said , we took that into consideration , we went another direction.

 

[Texansballer74]

Lied about what exactly ?

And if it was about the GM hire .... there's a difference between you having input and you making the decision.
We heard what you said , we took that into consideration , we went another direction.

That's what has been spin since the drama started. He misconstrued input for having a seat at the decision making table. Cal told him he would keep him in the loop, but he supposedly found out about the NC hire through social media. That's when he tweeted never change basically. My thing is why did he have to go on vacation of he wanted to be apart of the decision making process. He should've went on vacation afterward the GM was hired.

Then the spin was Cal didn't even attempt to take his list into consideration. And the interviews they did have, were only smoke screens and a slap in his face.

 

[Corrosion]

Yeah he is kind of dumb because he has no legal recourse. If Watson is a “corporation” then he is the mom and pop store trying to take on Wal-Mart. You keep acting like Watson is so much smarter than anybody the Texans have. First Caserio is a complete unknown but what we do know is he learned from one of the most cut throat people in this business of whom somebody like Watson and his agent aren’t even in the same ballpark.

Yeah , he's an unknown .... But when he says "No Trade" and isn't listening to offers .... and not taking calls on the issue from other GM's. He ain't backing down.
You gotta respect that ... So far I like what I see out of Caserio.

I think what he is doing is best for the team and for the league.

His options are wide open on the situation and he holds all the cards.

 

[Texansballer74]

I don't care who signed what or if I hired them....if I think there's a chance that I'm not going to get 110% or that the individual might end up being a cancer with the other employees....I wouldn't be able to get my boot upside their arse fast enough as I threw them out the door. Anything less than an individuals best is just not tolerated. I wouldn't keep that kind of individual around just to prove a point.

The only person I feel bad for in this whole crappy situation is David Culley. Guy has coached for quite a long time and finally gets his first HC'ing gig and it's essentially a lame-duck situation. He knows he'll probably get 2 years and then be replaced just as a rebuilt young team is ready to turn the corner. He should talk with former Astros skipper Art Howe so he can get a good feel for being a bridge coach.

Exactly and Caserio doesn't deserve this type of crap either.

This actually could've been a quick rebuild. But now it's going to be a long painful one.

Going to be interesting to see how Caserio unscrew Cal and Obrien f ups.

 

[Corrosion]

Exactly and Caserio doesn't deserve this type of crap either.

This actually could've been a quick rebuild. But now it's going to be a long painful one.

Going to be interesting to see how Caserio unscrew Cal and Obrien f ups.

Honestly I don't see it as a long rebuild with or without Watson - Assuming you hit on a QB in this draft (that's making another assumption that you get #2 or #3) and clear your cap situation of all the poor deals. You go into next offseason with draft picks and cap space. 2022 could be a great year
If you don't trade Watson , you still have to clear the cap - That's key. Then you have next offseason with a full load of picks and some cap space to fill out the roster.

2021 I think we all expect to be rotten .... but 2022 doesn't have to be.

 

[KA4Texan]

I don't care who signed what or if I hired them....if I think there's a chance that I'm not going to get 110% or that the individual might end up being a cancer with the other employees....I wouldn't be able to get my boot upside their arse fast enough as I threw them out the door. Anything less than an individuals best is just not tolerated. I wouldn't keep that kind of individual around just to prove a point.

The only person I feel bad for in this whole crappy situation is David Culley. Guy has coached for quite a long time and finally gets his first HC'ing gig and it's essentially a lame-duck situation. He knows he'll probably get 2 years and then be replaced just as a rebuilt young team is ready to turn the corner. He should talk with former Astros skipper Art Howe so he can get a good feel for being a bridge coach.

I agree, the guy any point beyond this I could only see as toxic. I would have loved to have kept a happy Watson, but I dont see anyway that happens.

Thats why I expect to see a painful trade for the other team.... or.... I want to see them sit him. I dont ever want to see my Texans give away high talent/potential for bargin bin prices again.

I expect 2021 season to be painful even IF Watson was playing for us and happy so its not as if our window is closing. Watson sits, it allows us to see what the place holders/his replacement (if we acquire him) can do under already low standards.

As for Culley, I agree and disagree for feeling bad for him, much for the same reason as Im now against Watson.... I dont think he deserves it, and though he may not have known to what extent of the flames raging as he was signing up for it, but he knew it was a dumpster fire, that the players werent happy (Culley being hired after DW upset at the time of NC hire) and Im sure that if a goober like me can see he is nothing more than being sent off to slaughter as a sacrifice.... he has to see it too.

So, while he doesn't deserve his only HC position to be torpedoed by Watson, he DID accept the position knowing full well it wasnt going to be pretty.

 

[Speedy]

He signed up knowing of the incompetence and dumpster fire that this organization was when he signed his name for a payday.

And not only did he sign knowing what he was getting into, he was crying like a baby and spreading the love to everyone at the presser.

 

[Earl34]

I don't care who signed what or if I hired them....if I think there's a chance that I'm not going to get 110% or that the individual might end up being a cancer with the other employees....I wouldn't be able to get my boot upside their arse fast enough as I threw them out the door. Anything less than an individuals best is just not tolerated. I wouldn't keep that kind of individual around just to prove a point.

The only person I feel bad for in this whole crappy situation is David Culley. Guy has coached for quite a long time and finally gets his first HC'ing gig and it's essentially a lame-duck situation. He knows he'll probably get 2 years and then be replaced just as a rebuilt young team is ready to turn the corner. He should talk with former Astros skipper Art Howe so he can get a good feel for being a bridge coach.

Speaking of 110%. Last season, I recall posters complaining about Watson not running enough. When in reality, he had the 2nd most rushes and yards in his career. Tom Brady has played this long because the minute he feels a pass rusher breathing on him, he drops into the fetal position. No one ever question Brady's "business decisions" to avoid getting hit. If Watson continues to play for the Texans, on any play that he runs out of bounds, slides or doesn't try to run over four defenders at the goal line, it will be interesting to see if fans get into dissecting, complaining and wondering about him giving 110%.

Sometimes perception becomes reality. It will be the INT against Pittsburgh brouhaha on steroids. This forum will become unreadable.

 

[maverick512000]

Speaking of 110%. Last season, I recall posters complaining about Watson not running enough. When in reality, he had the 2nd most rushes and yards in his career. Tom Brady has played this long because the minute he feels a pass rusher breathing on him, he drops into the fetal position. No one ever question Brady's "business decisions" to avoid getting hit. If Watson continues to play for the Texans, on any play that he runs out of bounds, slides or doesn't try to run over four defenders at the goal line, it will be interesting to see if fans get into dissecting, complaining and wondering about him giving 110%.

Sometimes perception becomes reality. It will be the INT against Pittsburgh brouhaha on steroids. This forum will become unreadable.

A lot of complaints like that are during or post a loss and last year we had a ton of losses to give us a chance to say those kind of things. You should have read some of the comments being made on the Chiefs forums during the SB, you'd have thought Reid and even Mahomes were barely fit to be in the NFL. Do I think Watson still has some flaws in his overall game, yes but most QBs do. He has shown improvement and growth though and I was looking forward to seeing what he could do under a new HC and behind a line that had a real coach. Not sure we'll see that now and even if we do you have to admit that the question of is he giving it his all would be a valid one given what he's said.

We talk about how the Texans have to rebuild trust and show the fans they really are trying well if this, by some miracle, smooths over and Watson is on board then I think he will also have to rebuild trust. Certainly don't expect to see many #4 jerseys under the 2021 Christmas trees.

 

[banned1976]

Honestly I don't see it as a long rebuild with or without Watson - Assuming you hit on a QB in this draft (that's making another assumption that you get #2 or #3) and clear your cap situation of all the poor deals. You go into next offseason with draft picks and cap space. 2022 could be a great year
If you don't trade Watson , you still have to clear the cap - That's key. Then you have next offseason with a full load of picks and some cap space to fill out the roster.

2021 I think we all expect to be rotten .... but 2022 doesn't have to be.

Assuming the Texans "hit on a QB" is a massive assumption.

The Texans have no defense. The Texans have no running game. And they may be looking for all new wide receivers to work with.

People are down on Watson right now and he has no person to blame but himself. That said, the NFL draft is a total gamble. Nothing is guaranteed, not even Trevor Lawrence. He could be the next Ryan Leaf or Peyton Manning. Just like Zach Wilson could be the next Trubisky. The only sure thing the Texans have right now is that Watson is their fastest route to being successful (which for the Texans success is a pretty low hurdle to jump) again.

Now, trading Watson will be a lot more interesting for the fans. And maybe that's what many people posting on this board are looking for - the excitement of the blockbuster trade and the unknown prospect(s) that could be. I know behind door #1 is a new car but I want to trade it in for what's behind door #'s 2,3,4. Could wind up with a nicer car or you could end up with a sturdy coat rack and two lumps of coal.

 

[Jack Burton]

And not only did he sign knowing what he was getting into, he was crying like a baby and spreading the love to everyone at the presser.

Yeah, but that was $160 Million dollars and 6 months ago. So much has changed in Deshawns life since then, bruh.
; )

 

[Jack Burton]

Assuming the Texans "hit on a QB" is a massive assumption.

The Texans have no defense. The Texans have no running game. And they may be looking for all new wide receivers to work with.

People are down on Watson right now and he has no person to blame but himself. That said, the NFL draft is a total gamble. Nothing is guaranteed, not even Trevor Lawrence. He could be the next Ryan Leaf or Peyton Manning. Just like Zach Wilson could be the next Trubisky. The only sure thing the Texans have right now is that Watson is their fastest route to being successful (which for the Texans success is a pretty low hurdle to jump) again.

Now, trading Watson will be a lot more interesting for the fans. And maybe that's what many people posting on this board are looking for - the excitement of the blockbuster trade and the unknown prospect(s) that could be. I know behind door #1 is a new car but I want to trade it in for what's behind door #'s 2,3,4. Could wind up with a nicer car or you could end up with a sturdy coat rack and two lumps of coal.

That’s why if HOU does trade him they are doing it the exact right way as of now. Do not field calls and force Deshawn to act like an adult. Any more whine from him and teams will start seeing him more as Jay Cutler than Pat Mahomes.
He’s actually walking a very fine line no matter what some east coast biased ass clown like Florio or King says.
Maximize his trade value and this will force other teams to go the extra mile in getting him. They will overspend. They will also start working other teams in 3 way trades to make it happen, allowing HOU to get even richer.
And I have no doubt that Caserio knows this and his floor for any trade is HOU has the #2 pick with gravy at the end, no matter who ends up with Watson.

The one upside to the current situation for all of you is Caserio comes from a cut throat, accounting oriented, fiscally scrutinized team that’s had a whole lot of success and has never allowed the public or media to form their decisions.

 

[76Texan]

That’s why if HOU does trade him they are doing it the exact right way as of now. Do not field calls and force Deshawn to act like an adult. Any more whine from him and teams will start seeing him more as Jay Cutler than Pat Mahomes.
He’s actually walking a very fine line no matter what some east coast biased ass clown like Florio or King says.
Maximize his trade value and this will force other teams to go the extra mile in getting him. They will overspend. They will also start working other teams in 3 way trades to make it happen, allowing HOU to get even richer.
And I have no doubt that Caserio knows this and his floor for any trade is HOU has the #2 pick with gravy at the end, no matter who ends up with Watson.

The one upside to the current situation for all of you is Caserio comes from a cut throat, accounting oriented, fiscally scrutinized team that’s had a whole lot of success and has never allowed the public or media to form their decisions.

I don't think the Pats are necessarily a "cut-throat" team.
They were up against the cap plenty of times.

Even last year, they had a hard time resigning Brady.
Only a slew of op-outs happened and then BB practically gave up on the season; he began making cut after cut.
He was also lucky that Newton took a one-year prove-it deal for a mere million dollars.

It was simply BB and Brady that made the Pats work.

 

[maverick512000]

I don't think the Pats are necessarily a "cut-throat" team.
They were up against the cap plenty of times.

Even last year, they had a hard time resigning Brady.
Only a slew of op-outs happened and then BB practically gave up on the season; he began making cut after cut.
He was also lucky that Newton took a one-year prove-it deal for a mere million dollars.

It was simply BB and Brady that made the Pats work.

NE have been cut throat, its very well documented that BB will trade away players when their value is at the highest even if people thought they were untouchable. Likewise NE has rarely overpaid a player and their mindset has always been you can take what we are offering or you can go somewhere else. Even in the case of Brady, the plan was to move on from him and have Jimmy G has the heir till Brady went to Kraft and Kraft overruled Belichick. Its one of the very few times NE didn't get value for a player, Jimmy G, and honestly I think BB did it out of spite.

No doubt Brady was a huge, huge part of the Pats success but people are to quick after this last year to say it was all Brady and that NE is dead. They forget that Brady hand picked his team and went to a team that would have been in the playoffs several times if their QB could remember what uniform to throw the football to. Also that NE had more opt outs than any other team, had their training facilities shut down more than any other team and that Cam was frankly just bad in a lot of games. Though to be fair to Cam it was a new team and he did get covid mid season which I will tell you that you feel the affects of that thing weeks after the actual virus is gone.

 

[Jack Burton]

NE have been cut throat, its very well documented that BB will trade away players when their value is at the highest even if people thought they were untouchable. Likewise NE has rarely overpaid a player and their mindset has always been you can take what we are offering or you can go somewhere else. Even in the case of Brady, the plan was to move on from him and have Jimmy G has the heir till Brady went to Kraft and Kraft overruled Belichick. Its one of the very few times NE didn't get value for a player, Jimmy G, and honestly I think BB did it out of spite.

No doubt Brady was a huge, huge part of the Pats success but people are to quick after this last year to say it was all Brady and that NE is dead. They forget that Brady hand picked his team and went to a team that would have been in the playoffs several times if their QB could remember what uniform to throw the football to. Also that NE had more opt outs than any other team, had their training facilities shut down more than any other team and that Cam was frankly just bad in a lot of games. Though to be fair to Cam it was a new team and he did get covid mid season which I will tell you that you feel the affects of that thing weeks after the actual virus is gone.

Excellent points.

 

[OptimisticTexan]

Speaking of 110%. Last season, I recall posters complaining about Watson not running enough. When in reality, he had the 2nd most rushes and yards in his career. Tom Brady has played this long because the minute he feels a pass rusher breathing on him, he drops into the fetal position. No one ever question Brady's "business decisions" to avoid getting hit. If Watson continues to play for the Texans, on any play that he runs out of bounds, slides or doesn't try to run over four defenders at the goal line, it will be interesting to see if fans get into dissecting, complaining and wondering about him giving 110%.

Sometimes perception becomes reality. It will be the INT against Pittsburgh brouhaha on steroids. This forum will become unreadable.

Man, I thought the world of Watson's progress from arrival through the 2020 season. I wasn't even going down the path of thinking Watson wouldn't be leading the Texans in 2021. Go back and look at my first Mock or where I may have first discussed what should be done in 2021. Everything was somewhat geared towards Watson getting some premium offensive players via the draft and some veteran players who could have great upside on prove-it type of contracts. I wanted to rip the band-aid off by trading or cutting bad contracts for any type of additional pick(s) or cap relief.

Cal, Easterby, Watson's agent, and Watson threw a wrench into the gears and beyond getting pissed or crest fallen.....the NFL is a business. Watson would never give this team 100% if he was essentially forced to play to pick up his money and get anothe rseason into the books. So the most common logic approach.....trade his arse and let the rebuild under Caserio begin.

In this scenario, Watson could be very lucky if Miami wants to play ball. They have assets and players to make a deal and they're a team in need of a QB to remain equal with Buffalo. I'm not trying to appease Watson with this move but in all reality, there's a ducking stupid-arse no-trade clause that the "Idiots at Kirby" gave him. Do I care where he goes.....no, but the NTC tells me I need to take it into consideration. Don't think the Jets are a QB1 away from being contenders in the East and for that, Watson would probably shy away from the Jets. The Dolphins are completely different in that they have the assets and players to make this deal and truly are a QB1 away from being a recognized contender. Texans strike a deal with the Dolphins and I think Watson is as good as gone.

Cap could be completely under control and Caserio would have the draft assets in 2021 and 2022 to really begin laying the foundation for a much better constructed Texans team.

 

[76Texan]

NE have been cut throat, its very well documented that BB will trade away players when their value is at the highest even if people thought they were untouchable. Likewise NE has rarely overpaid a player and their mindset has always been you can take what we are offering or you can go somewhere else. Even in the case of Brady, the plan was to move on from him and have Jimmy G has the heir till Brady went to Kraft and Kraft overruled Belichick. Its one of the very few times NE didn't get value for a player, Jimmy G, and honestly I think BB did it out of spite.

No doubt Brady was a huge, huge part of the Pats success but people are to quick after this last year to say it was all Brady and that NE is dead. They forget that Brady hand picked his team and went to a team that would have been in the playoffs several times if their QB could remember what uniform to throw the football to. Also that NE had more opt outs than any other team, had their training facilities shut down more than any other team and that Cam was frankly just bad in a lot of games. Though to be fair to Cam it was a new team and he did get covid mid season which I will tell you that you feel the affects of that thing weeks after the actual virus is gone.

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Tom Brady wants his guys to be precise, and that take a lot of work.
It goes the same with BB on defense.

That's an all-work, no play, strictly-business approach.
People mistakenly lump it with a cut-throat culture.

The Pats had their share of everything.
Like I said, it was Brady and BB's coaching that held that ship together.

 

[Dejaview]

Reading what’s on the airwaves sounds like DW and his camp are growing restless and angrier over the Texans refusal to trade him or entertain trade rumors. Sounds like the ball is in the Texans court and NC is icing them. I’m really liking this guy. Stay professional and let DW’s whines mount.

 

[76Texan]

Reading what’s on the airwaves sounds like DW and his camp are growing restless and angrier over the Texans refusal to trade him or entertain trade rumors. Sounds like the ball is in the Texans court and NC is icing them. I’m really liking this guy. Stay professional and let DW’s whines mount.

I have some swamp land in Florida I can sell you for a few million bucks

 

[Dejaview]

That’s why if HOU does trade him they are doing it the exact right way as of now. Do not field calls and force Deshawn to act like an adult. Any more whine from him and teams will start seeing him more as Jay Cutler than Pat Mahomes.
He’s actually walking a very fine line no matter what some east coast biased ass clown like Florio or King says.
Maximize his trade value and this will force other teams to go the extra mile in getting him. They will overspend. They will also start working other teams in 3 way trades to make it happen, allowing HOU to get even richer.
And I have no doubt that Caserio knows this and his floor for any trade is HOU has the #2 pick with gravy at the end, no matter who ends up with Watson.

The one upside to the current situation for all of you is Caserio comes from a cut throat, accounting oriented, fiscally scrutinized team that’s had a whole lot of success and has never allowed the public or media to form their decisions.

I agree and apologize to you and Corrosion because I didnt see your posts before I duplicated them with mine. Good to see a growing consensus that mgmt is doing something right. Change starts with the first right step. DW does sound desperate and despite those who think he actually has the edge here are flat wrong. First this isn’t a social justice issue the NFL would get behind him on. This is a corporate NFL matter. more Importantly I think DW is incapable of playing this through. He hasn’t formed a career or persona outside of the NFL. Those saying he should come back for a few games but don’t play I don’t believe would sit well with him personally or professionally. I think he may even have gotten bad advice from an agent who desires to tie this issue to the current justice issues in the nfl and country. Don’t know, my guess.

 

[Dejaview]

I have some swamp land in Florida I can sell you for a few million bucks

Sounds like you bought some now you are trying to get out of your contract.

 

[76Texan]

Sounds like you bought some now you are trying to get out of your contract.

Nah, I'm used to flipping houses as a secondary job. Some 20 of them;
Oh, and we sold a couple piece of lands for some decent profit, too.

 

[Dejaview]

Nah, I'm used to flipping houses as a secondary job. Some 20 of them;
Oh, and we sold a couple piece of lands for some decent profit, too.

I live in the western Hill Country and people are going nuts trying to find places Out here. Many are Californicators unfortunately. being Better lucky than smart I bought land here, in Bandera and near Brenham over the years and I get letters everyday to sell. My problem is I love the land too much and will probably end up giving the best parts for conservation easements.

 

[badboy]

On 790 radio this morning, Chad from Miami was mentioned; not sure if same person that joined recently. If so I thought he might want to know his name was mentioned on the radio.

 

[maverick512000]

On 790 radio this morning, Chad from Miami was mentioned; not sure if same person that joined recently. If so I thought he might want to know his name was mentioned on the radio.

Is he the one on here that said if Watson went to Miami we would all be welcome as Fin fans?

 

[CWTexansFan]

Speaking of 110%. Last season, I recall posters complaining about Watson not running enough. When in reality, he had the 2nd most rushes and yards in his career. Tom Brady has played this long because the minute he feels a pass rusher breathing on him, he drops into the fetal position. No one ever question Brady's "business decisions" to avoid getting hit. If Watson continues to play for the Texans, on any play that he runs out of bounds, slides or doesn't try to run over four defenders at the goal line, it will be interesting to see if fans get into dissecting, complaining and wondering about him giving 110%.

Sometimes perception becomes reality. It will be the INT against Pittsburgh brouhaha on steroids. This forum will become unreadable.

Great post, except you misspelled the second to last word, remain.

 

[CWTexansFan]

Man, I thought the world of Watson's progress from arrival through the 2020 season. I wasn't even going down the path of thinking Watson wouldn't be leading the Texans in 2021. Go back and look at my first Mock or where I may have first discussed what should be done in 2021. Everything was somewhat geared towards Watson getting some premium offensive players via the draft and some veteran players who could have great upside on prove-it type of contracts. I wanted to rip the band-aid off by trading or cutting bad contracts for any type of additional pick(s) or cap relief.

Cal, Easterby, Watson's agent, and Watson threw a wrench into the gears and beyond getting pissed or crest fallen.....the NFL is a business. Watson would never give this team 100% if he was essentially forced to play to pick up his money and get anothe rseason into the books. So the most common logic approach.....trade his arse and let the rebuild under Caserio begin.

In this scenario, Watson could be very lucky if Miami wants to play ball. They have assets and players to make a deal and they're a team in need of a QB to remain equal with Buffalo. I'm not trying to appease Watson with this move but in all reality, there's a ducking stupid-arse no-trade clause that the "Idiots at Kirby" gave him. Do I care where he goes.....no, but the NTC tells me I need to take it into consideration. Don't think the Jets are a QB1 away from being contenders in the East and for that, Watson would probably shy away from the Jets. The Dolphins are completely different in that they have the assets and players to make this deal and truly are a QB1 away from being a recognized contender. Texans strike a deal with the Dolphins and I think Watson is as good as gone.

Cap could be completely under control and Caserio would have the draft assets in 2021 and 2022 to really begin laying the foundation for a much better constructed Texans team.

Unfortunately, in this scenario, Watson blows out his ACL in game 6, and we are sitting at 4-2
Heard rumors of a 4 team trade from hunting buddy who works on Kirby.
Hope it gets done.

 

[badboy]

Is he the one on here that said if Watson went to Miami we would all be welcome as Fin fans?

I don't remember as I did not read all of his posts.

 

[badboy]

Unfortunately, in this scenario, Watson blows out his ACL in game 6, and we are sitting at 4-2
Heard rumors of a 4 team trade from hunting buddy who works on Kirby.
Hope it gets done.

And I was only Preposterous enough to offer a three-team trade. Looks like I need to step up my game

 

[FireBOB]

Heard rumors of a 4 team trade from hunting buddy who works on Kirby.

Buddy of mine is a packers fans. Tells me the Packers *own* the NFC North, which got me thinking of a three team trade.

Packers get:
Watson

Texans get:
Lions
Vikings
Bears

 

[maverick512000]

Buddy of mine is a packers fans. Tells me the Packers *own* the NFC North, which got me thinking of a three team trade.

Packers get:
Watson

Texans get:
Lions
Vikings
Bears

Can we trade the Lions for a couple of late rounders?

 

[badboy]

Can we trade the Lions for a couple of late rounders?

Trade them but I want their picks...

 

[theCATALYST]

Buddy of mine is a packers fans. Tells me the Packers *own* the NFC North, which got me thinking of a three team trade.

Packers get:
Watson

Texans get:
Lions
Vikings
Bears

I'll take that trade in this way.

Packers get:
Watson

Texans get:
Bears
Aaron Rogers

 

[KA4Texan]

Id take the Lions, combine them into the Texans..........

.... two negatives make a positive. Although, the Texans are the Texans and then you add in the negative of Easterby...... that should net us a positive I thought...... but then I suck at math, but then maybe Math is a lie..... my teachers taught me that Pluto was a planet too........ What is real anymore?!?

 

[Norg]

they should just keep it simple (3) 1st (2) 2nds (1) 3rd and if u can also throw in a 5th and 6th to seal the deal then yeah ... :P


8 players for 1 .... that sounds fair

 

[djohn2oo8]

I will forever find it amusing that JJ somehow ran off O’Brien and in turn Watson

 

[Double Barrel]

I will forever find it amusing that JJ somehow ran off O’Brien and in turn Watson

It'll be even more ironically amusing if the match that lit this fire for Watson was O'Brien getting canned. Deshaun has always loved him some O'Brien, almost as much as JJ loves him some selfies.

 

[djohn2oo8]

It'll be even more ironically amusing if the match that lit this fire for Watson was O'Brien getting canned. Deshaun has always loved him some O'Brien, almost as much as JJ loves him some selfies.

Yeah. I feel this is what happened. Watson did not want him fired. But after he was fired, he wanted to have the pull or say like JJ had. And got pissed when he found out it ain’t like that

 

[Earl34]

It'll be even more ironically amusing if the match that lit this fire for Watson was O'Brien getting canned. Deshaun has always loved him some O'Brien, almost as much as JJ loves him some selfies.

Yeah. I feel this is what happened. Watson did not want him fired. But after he was fired, he wanted to have the pull or say like JJ had. And got pissed when he found out it ain’t like that

You guys might be onto something with the relationship between Watson and O'Brien. This is speculation on my part, but it's no worse than some of the speculation I read on this forum. But, what if during the negotiations of that new contract, BoB, Cal and Easterby sold him on this being a partnership where he would have input similar to what Mahomes has in KC. His input would be welcomed and valued. We are a T-E-A-M.

However, BoB gets fired and as the season goes on, Watson realizes Cal and Easterby will not honor the agreement/partnership that they discussed and approved during the negotiations. Is this the root cause of all of this drama? Trust, loyalty, input, broken promises, and perception.

 

[maverick512000]

You guys might be onto something with the relationship between Watson and O'Brien. This is speculation on my part, but it's no worse than some of the speculation I read on this forum. But, what if during the negotiations of that new contract, BoB, Cal and Easterby sold him on this being a partnership where he would have input similar to what Mahomes has in KC. His input would be welcomed and valued. We are a T-E-A-M.

However, BoB gets fired and as the season goes on, Watson realizes Cal and Easterby will not honor the agreement/partnership that they discussed and approved during the negotiations. Is this the root cause of all of this drama? Trust, loyalty, input, broken promises, and perception.

What input does Mahomes have? Reid has always ruled his teams with an iron fist.

 

[Double Barrel]

What input does Mahomes have? Reid has always ruled his teams with an iron fist.

Not much input according to a recent USA Today article:

Patrick Mahomes has no plans to be involved in Chiefs' front-office decisions with megadeal kicking in

Making over $450 million gives Mahomes immense power within the franchise -- which he doesn't plan on using when it comes to the Chiefs' personnel decisions.

Full story

Which makes this Watson drama even weirder when you think about it. What did Cal McNair promise to Watson to make him believe that he would have greater power? Or did he? Maybe this really is connected firing O'Brien and the rise of Easterby?

There just has to be more to the story than we know. And maybe we will never know.

Or maybe it's simply that Watson does not believe in this front office the way Mahomes has confidence in his:

"I have a total belief in them that they're going to have good players on this team every single year. That's the reason I signed the contract that I did is I knew that we were going to have a great roster every single year I'm here." ~ Pat Mahomes

 

[maverick512000]

Not much input according to a recent USA Today article:



Which makes this Watson drama even weirder when you think about it. What did Cal McNair promise to Watson to make him believe that he would have greater power? Or did he? Maybe this really is connected firing O'Brien and the rise of Easterby?

There just has to be more to the story than we know. And maybe we will never know.

Or maybe it's simply that Watson does not believe in this front office the way Mahomes has confidence in his:

"I have a total belief in them that they're going to have good players on this team every single year. That's the reason I signed the contract that I did is I knew that we were going to have a great roster every single year I'm here." ~ Pat Mahomes

I honestly still think it was having a real losing season, something Watson has never had, mixed in with an agent looking to be the big mover and shaker of the agent world and it’s the perfect storm. The real problem is that now both sides have dug in so much I don’t see how Watson stays a Texan yet I don’t see how Caserio trades him.

You have a young, high level QB that has drawn his line in the sand but then you have a new GM with the eyes of the NFL world on him that has to cross that line. Only way I see out of this that makes both sides even remotely happy is if a team really does make The Godfather offer. Then Watson gets moved and Caserio saves face because everyone would look at it and say “Yeah that was to good to pass up”.

Otherwise as out there as this may sound I can see this being the end of Watson’s NFL career if he truly is that dug in.

 

[steelbtexan]

You guys might be onto something with the relationship between Watson and O'Brien. This is speculation on my part, but it's no worse than some of the speculation I read on this forum. But, what if during the negotiations of that new contract, BoB, Cal and Easterby sold him on this being a partnership where he would have input similar to what Mahomes has in KC. His input would be welcomed and valued. We are a T-E-A-M.

However, BoB gets fired and as the season goes on, Watson realizes Cal and Easterby will not honor the agreement/partnership that they discussed and approved during the negotiations. Is this the root cause of all of this drama? Trust, loyalty, input, broken promises, and perception.

He gave input

So unless you think Cal told DW4 he could pick the GM/HC there were no promises broken.

 

[powda]

You guys might be onto something with the relationship between Watson and O'Brien. This is speculation on my part, but it's no worse than some of the speculation I read on this forum. But, what if during the negotiations of that new contract, BoB, Cal and Easterby sold him on this being a partnership where he would have input similar to what Mahomes has in KC. His input would be welcomed and valued. We are a T-E-A-M.

However, BoB gets fired and as the season goes on, Watson realizes Cal and Easterby will not honor the agreement/partnership that they discussed and approved during the negotiations. Is this the root cause of all of this drama? Trust, loyalty, input, broken promises, and perception.

I think it's more personal then that. Just speculation on my part.

 

[Earl34]

What input does Mahomes have? Reid has always ruled his teams with an iron fist.

Not much input according to a recent USA Today article:

Again, I'm speculating. Listening to this conversation, I guess this is would be what Watson considers being involved and taking his input seriously? Now if they didn't take Mahomes' pick, I would guess they would at least explain the reason why they didn't pick his guy. Right? At the end of the day, it's all about communication.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1253619848350969858

 

[maverick512000]

Again, I'm speculating. Listening to this conversation, I guess this is would be what Watson considers being involved and taking his input seriously? Now if they didn't take Mahomes' pick, I would guess they would at least explain the reason why they didn't pick his guy. Right? At the end of the day, it's all about communication.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1253619848350969858

Who is “B turn”? Even still we aren’t talking about the 32nd draft pick we are talking about hiring and firing a HC, hiring a GM and other organizational decisions that a player should have no part of. For all we know Caserio would have listened to who Watson liked in the draft, Watson didn’t give it a chance to find out.