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deja vuDefinitely not as much as DC - but Watson has done it 4 or 5 times this season as well (run out of bounds behind the LOS) + how many times is he clearly out of the pocket and free to just toss the ball out of bounds but thinks he can Houdini his way into a big play?
Take those away and the numbers (are still horrible because the OLine is NOT good) but they do get better, being generous you could take away at least 12 sacks (so only 50 on the year). However, if you take them away then you also take away the potential for the times when Watson DOES pull a Houdini and breaks 4 tackles and tosses a 20-yard completion. It's a trade-off for sure - hopefully, Watson learns with more experience.
I'm not sold on the league having tape on Watson argument. I don't deny that having tape on someone helps teams prepare for them but having tape on Drew Brees (or any number of good qbs) hasn't helped the league 'solve' them. Being great at operating your offense trumps a defenses ability to prepare for you based on what your tape shows. A better Oline will undoubtedly help Watson at being better in running the O. OB settling on how much of the RPO offense they're going to mix in will help as well. IMO, we're going to have to rely on a more heavy RPO offense in the playoffs this year to have any success because of our OL problems as well as our receivers being banged up. We'll see what direction we're headed next year when we get there.I was reading something in another thread that gave me a thought -
The NFL now has tape on Watson. Is it me, or does it seem he is throwing less interceptions than before? Can I take satisfaction in that?
The biggest problems for DW are two things -
1. Offensive Line - enough said.
2. OB play calling - enough said.
Ummm, yeah, but pick your poison, because you need time for RPO, and the way the Texans have been running it the O-line is folding with no option.OB settling on how much of the RPO offense they're going to mix in will help as well. IMO, we're going to have to rely on a more heavy RPO offense in the playoffs this year to have any success because of our OL problems...
One of the things I liked about watching Peyton Manning was that very few teams could fool him for too long. He usually has a team figured out on the 2nd or third possession. Every now & then a team would have him stumped until the third qtr.I'm not sold on the league having tape on Watson argument. I don't deny that having tape on someone helps teams prepare for them but having tape on Drew Brees (or any number of good qbs) hasn't helped the league 'solve' them. Being great at operating your offense trumps a defenses ability to prepare for you based on what your tape shows. A better Oline will undoubtedly help Watson at being better in running the O. OB settling on how much of the RPO offense they're going to mix in will help as well. IMO, we're going to have to rely on a more heavy RPO offense in the playoffs this year to have any success because of our OL problems as well as our receivers being banged up. We'll see what direction we're headed next year when we get there.
2018 Deshaun WatsonIf you were to rank the top 10 QBs in the league I don’t see how Watson doesn’t make that list.
Pretty cool after 16 years the Texans finally have a franchise QB.
Yea but how many of those QBs with better stats are playing behind wet toilet paper for an offensive line?2018 Deshaun Watson
Passing yards 11th
Passing TDs 12th
TD% 11th
Percentage 7th
Int & Int% 2nd
YPA 4th
QB rating 6th
I eliminated QBs with less than 300 attempts but that only moved Watson feom 6th to 4th on YPA.
Of course none of that considers his 500+ yds rushing and 5 rushing TDs.
I was just supplying some raw data. Context obviously matters. Watson could have blown thru 5000 yds easily if the passes are called. The things largely within his control he's top 10 already even with the OL. So hell yeah I consider hin top 10.Yea but how many of those QBs with better stats are playing behind wet toilet paper for an offensive line?
Be interesting to see the QB ranking and OLine ranking together.
Stats don’t always tell the whole story
My apologies I thought you were saying something differentI was just supplying some raw data. Context obviously matters. Watson could have blown thru 5000 yds easily if the passes are called. The things largely within his control he's top 10 already even with the OL. So hell yeah I consider hin top 10.
Nor the OL he had to play behind, the injuries to his other WR threats, lack of a running game, and having his TE's hamstrung as additional blockers for a piss-poor OL.2018 Deshaun Watson
Passing yards 11th
Passing TDs 12th
TD% 11th
Percentage 7th
Int & Int% 2nd
YPA 4th
QB rating 6th
I eliminated QBs with less than 300 attempts but that only moved Watson feom 6th to 4th on YPA.
Of course none of that considers his 500+ yds rushing and 5 rushing TDs.
With those stats, he is top ten without having to make excuses for the OL. Many of those stats are just below top 10, but how many QBs who rank above him in one stat are below him in one or more of those other stats. The big stat is the INTs. Those will kill a team.Nor the OL he had to play behind, the injuries to his other WR threats, lack of a running game, and having his TE's hamstrung as additional blockers for a piss-poor OL.
Fix those areas and Watson is probably Top 3.With those stats, he is top ten without having to make excuses for the OL. Many of those stats are just below top 10, but how many QBs who rank above him in one stat are below him in one or more of those other stats. The big stat is the INTs. Those will kill a team.
I wouldnt be opposed to Gase at all, and he should be familiar with EP. He was an assistant coach (receivers?) in Denver with McDaniels and then QB coach and OC during the Peyton Mannning era. That gives him 4ish years of experience with the EP and "play calling" experience while Manning ran the offense.Adam Gase could be fired in Miami .. if OBrien was a smart guy he'd surround himself with good coaches - Gase has been in charge of some pretty good offensive teams as an OC .. while mainly deriving from a WCO philosophy I feel he could add some wrinkles to the current offense since the EP is easily tailored and adapted. It's all semantics and terminology anyways.
Do I think it will happen ? Hell no.
Fix the OL and the other areas will improve even more than they already have.Fix those areas and Watson is probably Top 3.
x1000Fix the OL and the other areas will improve even more than they already have.
Definitely.............including more successful short yardage and goal line stands.x1000
Including the defense...fewer 3 and outs, longer drives late game, opposing offense is off the field, more rest for the D
Watson sniffing the top 10 with the cast of characters around him is a miracle. I can only imagine what an upgraded line, a true TE threat, and a workhorse back will do to his progression. Can anyone imagine what Watson will look like year 5 and beyond? Im almost giddy in anticipation. Its almost not even a scheme discussion because IMO this guy is so good that it doesnt matter who is coaching him.
Fix the o-line and even with this OC and the present cast of characters this offense is scary good IMHO.Watson sniffing the top 10 with the cast of characters around him is a miracle. I can only imagine what an upgraded line, a true TE threat, and a workhorse back will do to his progression. Can anyone imagine what Watson will look like year 5 and beyond? Im almost giddy in anticipation. Its almost not even a scheme discussion because IMO this guy is so good that it doesnt matter who is coaching him.
If you want to be technical this offense was scary good last year with a offensive line just as bad (while Deshaun was playing at least) and was able to score at will and was at the top in scoring points. Crazy what only having 1 relevant WR will do to an offense, but yes improving the OL should be a priority (just like it seems to be every year for the past 5) hopefully they figure it out.Fix the o-line and even with this OC and the present cast of characters this offense is scary good IMHO.
I think Gaine/OB nailed Akins & Thomas, they just aren't being used (and yes part of that is due to OL problems). I think we're good there.a true TE threat
What are you going to sacrifice to fix the OL?Fix the o-line and even with this OC and the present cast of characters this offense is scary good IMHO.
Total head-scratcher to meI mean I've seen some data that says Akins graded out highly among rookie TEs, but they were not drafted as pass blockers? Not 1 TE on the team currently is a + pass blocker, so why ask them to pass block? Run those guys out there and let them do what they are good at. I've seen both of those guys have great plays at times, but 1-2 targets a game for the TEs on average? That goes beyond a bad offensive line to me.
Draft picks and cap space...we have plenty of both.What are you going to sacrifice to fix the OL?
So which unit are you electing not to build?Draft picks and cap space...we have plenty of both
Assuming we sign Mathieu and Clowney, then I would not be in market for QB or Safety. DL/LB would receive less emphasis this year, but another developmental pass rusher is probably needed. Id be in the market for depth at WR.So which unit are you electing not to build?
Okay sorry, I thought you were campaigning for investing heavily in the OL at the expense of everything elseAssuming we sign Mathieu and Clowney, then I would not be in market for QB or Safety. DL/LB would receive less emphasis this year, but another developmental pass rusher is probably needed. Id be in the market for depth at WR.
The main focus would be CB and OL
I kind of wish they would draft all offense and add a couple of vets on defense.Okay sorry, I thought you were campaigning for investing heavily in the OL at the expense of everything else
I think a couple of vets on offense and defense is needed. Rookies for depth next year and a couple of hole pluggersI kind of wish they would draft all offense and add a couple of vets on defense.
Not at all...realistically I think the OL and CB will take two more seasons to solidify. A lot can be done this offseason, but a stud left tackle will be hard to come by in our draft position. If only we had one of those last year...Okay sorry, I thought you were campaigning for investing heavily in the OL at the expense of everything else
1st round pick if an OT is there and is not a reach. Second and Third if OL there. Not all three pick but maybe two of the three. If we can add OL through FA would help. Need to draft a CB high. Get a RB with a 4th round pick. Throughout the process take BPA, filling need if possilbe.What are you going to sacrifice to fix the OL?
I dont have the impression that Gaine is saving cap space. To be forthcoming, I feel that Gaine has had a decent start with what he was given, but Im not gonna crown him until he has had a couple of offseasons with full drafts.So is fixing all the teams problems only going to be achieved through the draft? Houston is in the top 5 in available cap space and the rookie pool for a team drafting in the 20's is usually between 6-7 Million which would leave around 70Ms to sign in house guys and FAs - thats alot of space. I'd like to see Gaine be proactive in free agency and acknowledge that the window with the current nucleus is not very wide. Make a splash. Put your fingerprint on the team and show the world you mean business.
Maybe Gaine and Billy are so 'aligned' that Gaine see's the cap space as OBrien sees timeouts? Hold on to them forever and never use them LOL
Me, I'd tag and trade Clowney for 2 picks. I'd trade back if the opportunity presented itself and pick up an additional pick. If I could expose Fuller to the market and get an interested party, I'd part with him for a reasonable pick RD4 or RD5 b/c as a perennially injured player, I'd be happy to let another team see the possibilities before the loses him after he endure another injury plagued season for no compensation. I think 4 more picks in the 2019 NFL Draft gives Gaine the opportunity to add both impact and solid depth type players. Add a couple of solid veterans b/c of the additional cap space and this team could really make a move next season. This comes at the expense of Clowney and Fuller.What are you going to sacrifice to fix the OL?
Me, I'd tag and trade Clowney for 2 picks. I'd trade back if TE opportunity presented itself and pick up an additional pick. If I could expose Fuller to the market and get an interested party, I'd part with him for a reasonable pick RD4 or RD5 b/c as a perennially injured player, I'd be happy to let another team see the possibilities before the Texans lose him after he endure another injury plagued season for no compensation.What are you going to sacrifice to fix the OL?
I'd seriously like more of both.Draft picks and cap space...we have plenty of both.
Maybe we are not in position to get a stud left tackle who will maul right out of the gate, but we have plenty to upgrade at least 3 positions.
I want to fix the OL.x1000
Including the defense...fewer 3 and outs, longer drives late game, opposing offense is off the field, more rest for the D
Kinda hard to say about Kelemente. Between Davenport on one side & Martin on the other, & who knows what calls Watson is making (& we know he isn't seeing everything).Out of our three new OL, I see only Fulton as a potential long term starter.
Agreed...I'm pretty disappointed in Martin. Thought he had all the tools to be dominant. I wonder if a coaching change might help him.Kinda hard to say about Kelemente. Between Davenport on one side & Martin on the other, & who knows what calls Watson is making (& we know he isn't seeing everything).
He looks the part. I'd like to upgrade the LT & Center position before dumping him.
This isn't a good FA CB/OT FA class. It's a good RB FA class.So is fixing all the teams problems only going to be achieved through the draft? Houston is in the top 5 in available cap space and the rookie pool for a team drafting in the 20's is usually between 6-7 Million which would leave around 70Ms to sign in house guys and FAs - thats alot of space. I'd like to see Gaine be proactive in free agency and acknowledge that the window with the current nucleus is not very wide. Make a splash. Put your fingerprint on the team and show the world you mean business.
Maybe Gaine and Billy are so 'aligned' that Gaine see's the cap space as OBrien sees timeouts? Hold on to them forever and never use them LOL
The ankle injuries are keeping Martin from being what he could've been. I'm OK with adding an OG and moving Fulton to C next offseason. Fulton is really good at C.Agreed...I'm pretty disappointed in Martin. Thought he had all the tools to be dominant. I wonder if a coaching change might help him.
I dont know if there is any helping Davenport
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