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Definitely not as much as DC - but Watson has done it 4 or 5 times this season as well (run out of bounds behind the LOS) + how many times is he clearly out of the pocket and free to just toss the ball out of bounds but thinks he can Houdini his way into a big play?
Take those away and the numbers (are still horrible because the OLine is NOT good) but they do get better, being generous you could take away at least 12 sacks (so only 50 on the year). However, if you take them away then you also take away the potential for the times when Watson DOES pull a Houdini and breaks 4 tackles and tosses a 20-yard completion. It's a trade-off for sure - hopefully, Watson learns with more experience.
I'm not sold on the league having tape on Watson argument. I don't deny that having tape on someone helps teams prepare for them but having tape on Drew Brees (or any number of good qbs) hasn't helped the league 'solve' them. Being great at operating your offense trumps a defenses ability to prepare for you based on what your tape shows. A better Oline will undoubtedly help Watson at being better in running the O. OB settling on how much of the RPO offense they're going to mix in will help as well. IMO, we're going to have to rely on a more heavy RPO offense in the playoffs this year to have any success because of our OL problems as well as our receivers being banged up. We'll see what direction we're headed next year when we get there.I was reading something in another thread that gave me a thought -
The NFL now has tape on Watson. Is it me, or does it seem he is throwing less interceptions than before? Can I take satisfaction in that?
The biggest problems for DW are two things -
1. Offensive Line - enough said.
2. OB play calling - enough said.
OB settling on how much of the RPO offense they're going to mix in will help as well. IMO, we're going to have to rely on a more heavy RPO offense in the playoffs this year to have any success because of our OL problems...
I'm not sold on the league having tape on Watson argument. I don't deny that having tape on someone helps teams prepare for them but having tape on Drew Brees (or any number of good qbs) hasn't helped the league 'solve' them. Being great at operating your offense trumps a defenses ability to prepare for you based on what your tape shows. A better Oline will undoubtedly help Watson at being better in running the O. OB settling on how much of the RPO offense they're going to mix in will help as well. IMO, we're going to have to rely on a more heavy RPO offense in the playoffs this year to have any success because of our OL problems as well as our receivers being banged up. We'll see what direction we're headed next year when we get there.
2018 Deshaun WatsonIf you were to rank the top 10 QBs in the league I don’t see how Watson doesn’t make that list.
Pretty cool after 16 years the Texans finally have a franchise QB.
2018 Deshaun Watson
Passing yards 11th
Passing TDs 12th
TD% 11th
Percentage 7th
Int & Int% 2nd
YPA 4th
QB rating 6th
I eliminated QBs with less than 300 attempts but that only moved Watson feom 6th to 4th on YPA.
Of course none of that considers his 500+ yds rushing and 5 rushing TDs.
Yea but how many of those QBs with better stats are playing behind wet toilet paper for an offensive line?
Be interesting to see the QB ranking and OLine ranking together.
Stats don’t always tell the whole story
I was just supplying some raw data. Context obviously matters. Watson could have blown thru 5000 yds easily if the passes are called. The things largely within his control he's top 10 already even with the OL. So hell yeah I consider hin top 10.
2018 Deshaun Watson
Passing yards 11th
Passing TDs 12th
TD% 11th
Percentage 7th
Int & Int% 2nd
YPA 4th
QB rating 6th
I eliminated QBs with less than 300 attempts but that only moved Watson feom 6th to 4th on YPA.
Of course none of that considers his 500+ yds rushing and 5 rushing TDs.
With those stats, he is top ten without having to make excuses for the OL. Many of those stats are just below top 10, but how many QBs who rank above him in one stat are below him in one or more of those other stats. The big stat is the INTs. Those will kill a team.Nor the OL he had to play behind, the injuries to his other WR threats, lack of a running game, and having his TE's hamstrung as additional blockers for a piss-poor OL.
With those stats, he is top ten without having to make excuses for the OL. Many of those stats are just below top 10, but how many QBs who rank above him in one stat are below him in one or more of those other stats. The big stat is the INTs. Those will kill a team.
Adam Gase could be fired in Miami .. if OBrien was a smart guy he'd surround himself with good coaches - Gase has been in charge of some pretty good offensive teams as an OC .. while mainly deriving from a WCO philosophy I feel he could add some wrinkles to the current offense since the EP is easily tailored and adapted. It's all semantics and terminology anyways.
Do I think it will happen ? Hell no.
Fix those areas and Watson is probably Top 3.
Fix the OL and the other areas will improve even more than they already have.
Definitely.............including more successful short yardage and goal line stands.x1000
Including the defense...fewer 3 and outs, longer drives late game, opposing offense is off the field, more rest for the D
Fix the o-line and even with this OC and the present cast of characters this offense is scary good IMHO.Watson sniffing the top 10 with the cast of characters around him is a miracle. I can only imagine what an upgraded line, a true TE threat, and a workhorse back will do to his progression. Can anyone imagine what Watson will look like year 5 and beyond? Im almost giddy in anticipation. Its almost not even a scheme discussion because IMO this guy is so good that it doesnt matter who is coaching him.
Fix the o-line and even with this OC and the present cast of characters this offense is scary good IMHO.
a true TE threat
Fix the o-line and even with this OC and the present cast of characters this offense is scary good IMHO.
I mean I've seen some data that says Akins graded out highly among rookie TEs, but they were not drafted as pass blockers? Not 1 TE on the team currently is a + pass blocker, so why ask them to pass block? Run those guys out there and let them do what they are good at. I've seen both of those guys have great plays at times, but 1-2 targets a game for the TEs on average? That goes beyond a bad offensive line to me.
What are you going to sacrifice to fix the OL?
Draft picks and cap space...we have plenty of both
So which unit are you electing not to build?
Assuming we sign Mathieu and Clowney, then I would not be in market for QB or Safety. DL/LB would receive less emphasis this year, but another developmental pass rusher is probably needed. Id be in the market for depth at WR.
The main focus would be CB and OL
Okay sorry, I thought you were campaigning for investing heavily in the OL at the expense of everything else
I kind of wish they would draft all offense and add a couple of vets on defense.
Okay sorry, I thought you were campaigning for investing heavily in the OL at the expense of everything else
1st round pick if an OT is there and is not a reach. Second and Third if OL there. Not all three pick but maybe two of the three. If we can add OL through FA would help. Need to draft a CB high. Get a RB with a 4th round pick. Throughout the process take BPA, filling need if possilbe.What are you going to sacrifice to fix the OL?
So is fixing all the teams problems only going to be achieved through the draft? Houston is in the top 5 in available cap space and the rookie pool for a team drafting in the 20's is usually between 6-7 Million which would leave around 70Ms to sign in house guys and FAs - thats alot of space. I'd like to see Gaine be proactive in free agency and acknowledge that the window with the current nucleus is not very wide. Make a splash. Put your fingerprint on the team and show the world you mean business.
Maybe Gaine and Billy are so 'aligned' that Gaine see's the cap space as OBrien sees timeouts? Hold on to them forever and never use them LOL
What are you going to sacrifice to fix the OL?
What are you going to sacrifice to fix the OL?
Draft picks and cap space...we have plenty of both.
Maybe we are not in position to get a stud left tackle who will maul right out of the gate, but we have plenty to upgrade at least 3 positions.
x1000
Including the defense...fewer 3 and outs, longer drives late game, opposing offense is off the field, more rest for the D
Out of our three new OL, I see only Fulton as a potential long term starter.
Agreed...I'm pretty disappointed in Martin. Thought he had all the tools to be dominant. I wonder if a coaching change might help him.Kinda hard to say about Kelemente. Between Davenport on one side & Martin on the other, & who knows what calls Watson is making (& we know he isn't seeing everything).
He looks the part. I'd like to upgrade the LT & Center position before dumping him.
So is fixing all the teams problems only going to be achieved through the draft? Houston is in the top 5 in available cap space and the rookie pool for a team drafting in the 20's is usually between 6-7 Million which would leave around 70Ms to sign in house guys and FAs - thats alot of space. I'd like to see Gaine be proactive in free agency and acknowledge that the window with the current nucleus is not very wide. Make a splash. Put your fingerprint on the team and show the world you mean business.
Maybe Gaine and Billy are so 'aligned' that Gaine see's the cap space as OBrien sees timeouts? Hold on to them forever and never use them LOL
Agreed...I'm pretty disappointed in Martin. Thought he had all the tools to be dominant. I wonder if a coaching change might help him.
I dont know if there is any helping Davenport
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