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Again, as we found out in this last draft, those reports don't mean squat. I mean 4 cb's were drafted in the 1st rd and it seems like Texans got the wrong one. There is no way a talent eval can watch Stingley the last 2 years at LSU and thought he played well. When he played, it wasn't good. McDuffie, Gardner, and Elam were better than he was last year.
You act like the Texans are supposed to think logically. Doesn't that go against everything they've shown the past 23 years?
I'm hoping for the week after the bye. With that said I can see 6 weeks easy if he tore/pulled it real bad.
If he only blabs once and no one listens, who cares?
Look no further than the Trey Lance draft. Shanny wanted him, Lynch got him. Helluva mistake, but they've moved on.
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As I have pointed out before and as @JB posts, you continue to voice what should be the case. Lovie "should have wanted " a different CB. Well, so should have Caserio who i would think would have even greater need/want to go with the less riskier and arguably better Gardner.
It's not that I don't believe or respect CnnD. It's that I think it's the job of the GM to influence others & change minds. He's the expert & it's his job to protect the non-experts from themselves. We all know how impressionable Cal is. That should have been easy. Lovie might have been a little tougher, but the evidence was substantial against Stingley at 2 regardless of Gardner being there as well.
He can give his thoughts Whether they're taken or not is another matter. Truth is Cal said Caserio was brought in to run the football side of things and then the McNair's knee capped him. After this happened Caserio is now just carrying out what the HC and ownership/fan council want to do. In fact I think Caserio has kinda checked out and is just collecting the 36 mil. Considering how things have gone down on Kirby I really cant blame him.
Should I repeat what I typed earlier or are you pretending you didn't understand?
I understand what you're saying and the difference is. Caserio isn't running the entire football program as Cal promised he would. Ryans is going to get his guys if there's a difference in opinion. This is the way the McNair's want their org ran. Same as it was run when Bob was alive, except RS had the McNair's ear until he didn't. You can accept this or not, Caserio accepted this and is getting paid at this point.
This is certainly how we wish or expect the going on to have been. But we weren't privy to these talks and decisions. 2022 is the past. 2023 is the now.
He's no longer a Texan Doc
RS had the power because Bob McNair was running the team and he was the godfather to Cal's kids. That's the difference. Just because RS had this skill didn't mean he was good at his job He was the ultimate politician, plastic man. Stabbing Kubiak in the back told me all I needed to know about RS.
I've had several people that questioned that Stingley could have ever said this. So I'll submit this:
www.sportingnews.com
Well, I guess it's water under the bridge now. He's who we drafted & will have to live with. The good part is, with the team rebuild taking shape & if we can get a couple of good years out of him, we'll be able to draft his replacement & move on from him. There will always be another good CB available in every draft & every team misses on a prospect every now & then. This is why the owners should stay out of the War Room & let the people they hired do their job. Thanks for all your insight Doc.I've had several people that questioned that Stingley could have ever said this. So I'll submit this:
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Derek Stingley Jr. injury history: Will LSU cornerback's setbacks result in drop at NFL Draft? | Sporting News
Derek Stingley Jr. was once considered a nearly unanimous top-five pick. That was before injuries and COVID-19 affected his playing time at LSU.
Derek Stingley Jr. pro day
Stingley participated in LSU's pro day on April 6 — one of the latest in college football — and seemed to put to bed any lingering injury concerns teams may have had.
The 6-0, 190-pounder not only ran a 4.37 40-yard dash, but he also put up a 38 1/2-inch vertical jump and a 10-2 broad jump on top of his position drills.
Stingley said at the event that the Lisfranc injury is no longer a concern:
"The Lisfranc injury, it happened on the first day of camp," he said. "And I played those three games (to start the '21 season) with the Lisfranc.
"When I hurt it, it was painful. But the Lisfranc is an injury, once you get it fixed, you'll never worry about it again. I feel fine right now. It doesn't even feel like I hurt it in the first place."
Stingley said he felt his pro day performance was enough to show teams "nothing has changed" and that "I'm still me."
"I just wanted to show that nothing has changed over these past couple of years," he said. "Just go out there and do what I did.
"It was good, it was fun. The teams just wanted to see how I moved and after I showed them that I'm still me, everything is going to be good."
I haven't seen any conjecture that ownership was involved in the Stingley pick. This was the result of the people they hired.
Then you haven't read all of Doc's posts.
I think I've read plenty. But please enlighten me.
Post #1386 in this thread.
That is not ownership being involved in the draft room. That's choosing who has the final say in the pick, Lovie or Nick. No one is claiming Cal demanded that Stingley be the pick. For all we know, Caserio would have drafted Stingley.
If 2 prospects are close in your evaluations, then you choose the prospect with the lesser injury history. Unfortunately CnD appears to have gotten the Stingley pick right.
First of all, let me say that despite the fact that we don't always agree on things, I also respect your opposing takes.
I agree but do not want to draft a player with a lisFranc injury at all.
Nope, Carr over Peppers was the worst by far. 4 wasted yrs a a lazy bleep, vs drafting a HOF.
Agree to disagree on the worst draft pick.
I can't disagree with you, but I try to give all of thes guys 2 1/2 yrs before coming to this conclusion.
Sherman in his prime didn't travel, neither did Nmandi. I don't recall Champ traveling either. Some defensive coaches don't want to swap sides with corners because that can be a tell.
