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Davis Mills - statistical breakdown.

steelbtexan

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If we’re going always bring up their failures, why can’t we do the same with the little success they had. Are we not going to talk about the seasons in which we win 10 games?

Side note: I thought we weren’t allowed to bring up a certain ex player anymore unless it’s on the NFL page. I was told those comments were going to get deleted.
Funny thing is, the guy that told us that is the guy that made the post.

LMAO
 
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steelbtexan

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I’m not coming at anyone. Just read your slick comment about D-Creep because some people wants to draft a quarterback in the 22 draft. And the successful seasons count too. You can draft a quarterback, along with of their pieces and win in this league. The Bengals showed us that last season. It’s really not far fetched. Will that happen, more than likely not.
The Bengals drafted Burrow then got another high pick because of injury. There's no Burrow in this draft.

Let's make this simple, just draft the best players
 
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TexansBull

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Pretty much every website I read has the Texans with a new QB next season anyhow.

From NFL to ESPN, Sporting News, The Football Network, USA, etc.

And the fact that the Texans are at the bottom says it all.
It goes without saying that the whole team is bad, except for ST, of course.
I remember when one of those talking heads became a GM of an NFL team.

Didn’t turn out well.
 
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76Texan

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Do you honestly think those guys have a clue ?
Most of them never played a single down at the college level , and so they know virtually nothing about the pro game.
Do you recognize these guys?


Many of them had played more than 10 years in the NFL.

A few of them were former GMs.
 

76Texan

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I remember when one of those talking heads became a GM of an NFL team.

Didn’t turn out well.
See my post above.
Also, they have some former HCs, too.

When they do a ranking of QBs, I'm sure they get the opinions of these former HCs, GMs, scouting personnels, and former players.
Among them, there have been a bunch of awards from their NFL days.
 

Texansballer74

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Which is why you don't pick a QB this year.
That is not why you don’t pick a quarterback this year. You don’t pick one if ( GM Caserio and team) you don’t feel neither one of them are the guys for your team. If Caserio believes he’s a great fit to build around. Then you draft one. Like I ask you before, why can’t you trust Caserio? Especially when you’re on here bragging about how well he’s done in the draft. So are you now saying he doesn’t know how to evaluate the quarterback position at your high level?
 
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steelbtexan

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That is not why you don’t pick a quarterback this year. You don’t pick one if ( GM Caserio and team) you don’t feel neither one of them are the guys for your team. If Caserio believes he’s a great fit to build around. Then you draft one. Like I ask you before, why can’t you trust Caserio? Especially when you’re on here bragging about how well he’s done in the draft. So are you now saying he doesn’t know how to evaluate the quarterback position at your high level?
You dont draft a QB that's non generational at 1-1 when it's most likely the HC/Staff wont be on Kirby in 2 yrs. Particularly when the 2024 class is not only better, but you get a chance for a fresh start with a new HC/Staff/QB. That's unless you want the drafted QB to have to learn 2 different offenses in his 1st two yrs. Yeah, that's a recipe for success. This has nothing to do with Caserio. If he picks a QB I will root for that QB. The smart thing to do though is be patient and draft from the 2024 QB class
 

Texansballer74

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You dont draft a QB that's non generational at 1-1 when it's most likely the HC/Staff wont be on Kirby in 2 yrs. Particularly when the 2024 class is not only better, but you get a chance for a fresh start with a new HC/Staff/QB. That's unless you want the drafted QB to have to learn 2 different offenses in his 1st two yrs. Yeah, that's a recipe for success. This has nothing to do with Caserio. If he picks a QB I will root for that QB. The smart thing to do though is be patient and draft from the 2024 QB class
You don’t know if this class will have generational quarterbacks or not. The draft is always a gamble. Are you saying you know what’s generational or not and Caserio doesn’t?
 

IDEXAN

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Do you recognize these guys?


Many of them had played more than 10 years in the NFL.

A few of them were former GMs.
That's over 50 people so obviously some of them are very accomplished at the game and very knowledgeble,
while others as I said probably never played a down of football beyond the high school level.
 

76Texan

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That's over 50 people so obviously some of them are very accomplished at the game and very knowledgeble,
while others as I said probably never played a down of football beyond the high school level.
And like I said, when they do a QB ranking, I expect the one casting the votes are those that are in the know, not the writers.
 

76Texan

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I agree with many of the takes here.
Some of us had already discussed a number of the throws (including Opti and I).

I just had a comment on that video under JPham1000.

4th quarter with 2:59 to play, 2nd and 10 at the 12.
(Shortly after the 19-min mark in the video).

1.The blitz was coming.
The QB has got to see this.
2. He knows how the two routes on the left are going to be run. Basically a Hi-Lo concept.
The way the two DBs lined up, the out route was going to be open right away.
3. To me, knowing that, the QB has to get the ball there immediately.
Mills even looked left first.
It tells me that Mills lacks the field vision and he cannot read the D very well.
 

thunderkyss

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It tells me that Mills lacks the field vision and he cannot read the D very well.
Or, he doesn't trust his receivers to be where they are supposed to be.

Or Pep added a wrinkle they are still working out

Or the defense rotated a way he didn't expect

Or he liked another match up somewhere else

Or the line call accounted for the free rusher but someone up front botched it

Or...
 

thunderkyss

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Another good unbiased breakdown by Sullivan. The thing that jumps out to me. Quessenberry should not be a starter in this league or even get any significant playing time. That guy suuuckkks.
He had a bad game Thursday night. That's definitely not why he got the start over Morrisey.
 

76Texan

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Or, he doesn't trust his receivers to be where they are supposed to be.

Or Pep added a wrinkle they are still working out

Or the defense rotated a way he didn't expect

Or he liked another match up somewhere else

Or the line call accounted for the free rusher but someone up front botched it

Or...
There were five blockers against five rushers who all intended to rush from the get go.

Have you rewatched the play?
Can you see how far off the safety was from the out route from the beginning.

The routes on the other side (the two inside routes can be double up easily, the way the defense lined up (and they were).
There's no matchup anywhere else to like.

A QB just has to know that he needs to get the ball out right away against a 5-man blitz.
It only takes one guy to get beat.

That's the number one place the QB has got to go to, against that defensive line up.
 

steelbtexan

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You don’t know if this class will have generational quarterbacks or not. The draft is always a gamble. Are you saying you know what’s generational or not and Caserio doesn’t?
I dont think there's a generational QB in this class. Time will tell if I'm correct. If Caserio drafts a QB I will root for the QB and hope I'm wrong.
 

76Texan

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I dont think there's a generational QB in this class. Time will tell if I'm correct. If Caserio drafts a QB I will root for the QB and hope I'm wrong.
Lots of guys aren'y generational QBs.

Joe Burrow isn't one.

Nobody ever said Josh Allen was one when he was drafted.
 
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steelbtexan

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You don’t know if this class will have generational quarterbacks or not. The draft is always a gamble. Are you saying you know what’s generational or not and Caserio doesn’t?
With this opinion there's even more reason to wait until there's a new coaching staff. Since nobody knows when there's a generational QB, then wait so the new QB only has to learn one system that the HC that has a voice in picking him runs.

Why dont you just say the Texans need a QB and you think they should pick one regardless of circumstances.
 

76Texan

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With this opinion there's even more reason to wait until there's a new coaching staff. Since nobody knows when there's a generational QB, then wait so the new QB only has to learn one system that the HC that has a voice in picking him runs.

Why dont you just say the Texans need a QB and you think they should pick one regardless of circumstances.
Do you remember the Chargers HC when Herbert was picked?

Do you realize that their offense jumped 13th spots in points scored to no. 5 under a new HC?
 

Texansballer74

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With this opinion there's even more reason to wait until there's a new coaching staff. Since nobody knows when there's a generational QB, then wait so the new QB only has to learn one system that the HC that has a voice in picking him runs.

Why dont you just say the Texans need a QB and you think they should pick one regardless of circumstances.
You haven’t been listening whatsoever. I will say it again Mills isn’t the answer first of all. And if Caserio sees his quarterback in the 23 draft, I will trust he made the right decision. Why because he has an eye for talent.
 

JB

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Man exactly lol and he gets a like for that comment. None of us know, not even these so called experts know who is or isn’t a generational talent.
Who has claimed to be an expert? Is stating one's opinion no longer allowed without being a 'so called expert'? Who is calling them experts anyway?
 

Texansballer74

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Who has claimed to be an expert? Is stating one's opinion no longer allowed without being a 'so called expert'? Who is calling them experts anyway?
I’m talking about those who get paid. The experts. Man you’re looking for argument and why?
 

JB

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I’m talking about those who get paid. The experts. Man you’re looking for argument and why?
No, I'm not looking for any argument. Are you? I just didn't know which so called experts you were talking about, the media or posters here
 

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I just don’t understand why you’re coming at me. The conversation was clearly about adding a QB from the upcoming draft to this team. In that context I mention we had a 4 year vet that was pretty good & this team won 4 games. Conclusion, adding a rookie QB is not going to improve this team.

Use those picks on blue chips, find out what we’re going to do with Lovie then maybe we’ll be ready to think about a QB.

10 win seasons had nothing to do with what we were talking about. So again… why do I need to bring up 10 win seasons now?
But this is not about just adding a quarterback to this roster, correct? We do have more than one draft pick in 2023.
 

steelbtexan

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You haven’t been listening whatsoever. I will say it again Mills isn’t the answer first of all. And if Caserio sees his quarterback in the 23 draft, I will trust he made the right decision. Why because he has an eye for talent.
I'm not saying Mills is the answer. I'm saying it doesn't matter who the QB is, even if there's a great QB it wont matter. We've already seen this play. If Caserio picks a guy I will root for him and hope I'm wrong. As I've said several times.
 

Earl34

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The last one I can think of was Andrew Luck
Thinking about this. Luck was drafted in 2011, played only 6 years, and threw more INTs than TDs in his playoff appearances. My point is you could be years waiting on a generational QB and even when you draft one that is labeled a generational QB, past success is not an indicator of future success. So, instead of wringing our hands about a generational QB, we better keep drafting QBs until the combination of talent, coaching and surrounding roster talent gets the Texans out of this rut.
 

Number19

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Thinking about this. Luck was drafted in 2011, played only 6 years, and threw more INTs than TDs in his playoff appearances. My point is you could be years waiting on a generational QB and even when you draft one that is labeled a generational QB, past success is not an indicator of future success. So, instead of wringing our hands about a generational QB, we better keep drafting QBs until the combination of talent, coaching and surrounding roster talent gets the Texans out of this rut.
If you keep drafting QB's then you are not drafting impact players, at other positions, with those draft picks used for the QB's.
 

JB

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If you keep drafting QB's then you are not drafting impact players, at other positions, with those draft picks used for the QB's.
You can only draft one high in the 1st if you strongly believe in him. Not just because he's available and your team has a need. He has to have the most value in your mind
 

Texansballer74

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Thinking about this. Luck was drafted in 2011, played only 6 years, and threw more INTs than TDs in his playoff appearances. My point is you could be years waiting on a generational QB and even when you draft one that is labeled a generational QB, past success is not an indicator of future success. So, instead of wringing our hands about a generational QB, we better keep drafting QBs until the combination of talent, coaching and surrounding roster talent gets the Texans out of this rut.
Peyton Manning was a generational talent as well. Look at how long it took him and the Colts to win a super bowl. He didn’t have a stellar record in the playoffs either.
I just hope Cal doesn't force Caserio to pick a QB for marketing purposes like his daddy did with Carr.
Got to Get over the past. Cal has been in check since Nick’s arrival.
 
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76Texan

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If you keep drafting QB's then you are not drafting impact players, at other positions, with those draft picks used for the QB's.
Your scouting department still needs to do their homework and the GM needs to make good educated decision.

If I've able to identify the guys with high bust level ever since the franchise started (2002); a halfway decent GM should be able to do the same.
 

Texansballer74

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If you keep drafting QB's then you are not drafting impact players, at other positions, with those draft picks used for the QB's.
You have 20 draft picks in the next two drafts. You have 8-10 in the first three rounds during that time. That means you have plenty of draft capital to draft impact players. Again the man has hit on the majority of his draftee’s throughout the entire draft.
 

Earl34

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If you keep drafting QB's then you are not drafting impact players, at other positions, with those draft picks used for the QB's.
Packers drafted Rodgers while they still had Favre on the roster. Does anyone remember the Seahawks signed free agent Matt Flynn to a 3 year contract and still drafted Russell Wilson? After Rodgers and Wilson help their teams become consistent winner and Super Bowl champions, I don't think their fans wonders about the impact players they missed out on.

Even Belichick drafted Garoppolo with Brady on the roster. So, in a QB starved league, you can even trade those drafted QBs like Garoppolo and even Schaub for picks. My point is it's better to aggressively take your shot instead of passively waiting around for a generational QB who might not even end up being a generational QB.
 

TexansBull

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Packers drafted Rodgers while they still had Favre on the roster. Does anyone remember the Seahawks signed free agent Matt Flynn to a 3 year contract and still drafted Russell Wilson? After Rodgers and Wilson help their teams become consistent winner and Super Bowl champions, I don't think their fans wonders about the impact players they missed out on.

Even Belichick drafted Garoppolo with Brady on the roster. So, in a QB starved league, you can even trade those drafted QBs like Garoppolo and even Schaub for picks. My point is it's better to aggressively take your shot instead of passively waiting around for a generational QB who might not even end up being a generational QB.
What is the gap in years between Favre first starting on packers and drafting Rodgers? Same question for Patriots and Garrapolo.

NY didn’t get much for Darnold. Same for Chicago and Trubisky.

The wait is one year. Not a decade.
 

Earl34

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What is the gap in years between Favre first starting on packers and drafting Rodgers? Same question for Patriots and Garrapolo.

NY didn’t get much for Darnold. Same for Chicago and Trubisky.

The wait is one year. Not a decade.
What is the wait or gap in years for a generational QB?
 

Mr teX

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The only thing harder than finding your qb of the future is putting together a team with enough talent around said qb to win it all. And we are farther away from that than we are with a viable qb. A qb isnt going to help this team as currently constructed unless he’s a generational talent….period. And folks wanting us to draft a qb high next year b/c they dont want to see Mills anymore are just grasping at hope for the sake of their own entertainment….not b/c they want to see this rebuild be given the best chance at success.

The **** has been laid out with real NFL situations similar to ours with various examples…& folks still cling to the notion that a good qb is gonna turn this **** show around…at this point in just gonna wave tge white flag….
 


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