Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
If he’s Eli, might as well start looking at QBs for next year. Eli isn’t even good Schaub level.
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Davis Mills getting no respect
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If he’s Eli, might as well start looking at QBs for next year. Eli isn’t even good Schaub level.
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
Perhaps, but it goes to prove the idea you don't need a top tier QB to win multiple SBs.
Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
No you don’t. But if you don’t, you need a damn good team. Top tier QB or damn good team, which one are we closer to?
And also, damn good teams are harder to keep together.
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
Common practice is to build a team...oh wait...
Btw, where you going to get a top tier QB?
Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
You tell me. I just know the teams that have one are constantly in the mix.
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
Mills still has a lot of growing to do so I haven't given up on him yet.
The combination of him and the team continuously improving together should make us competitive in the not too distant future.
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Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
First you’ve got to improve before you can continuously improve. I’ve seen no signs of that happening yet.
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
True, the team has yet to show it, but you can't say Mills didn't improve over the season.
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Hottoddie
Veteran
Here's a list of every Quarterback ever drafted, what round they were drafted & what year. It also shows who was taken before them. It's amazing how many top rated QB's were busts & how many Hall of Famers were taken in the later rounds. My point is, all any team can do is make their best evaluation, coach the player up & give them time to develop. And, I couldn't give a flip what the media ho's have to say about my team's players. Most of them are biased towards the east coast & west coast teams anyway. http://www.drafthistory.com/index.php/positions/qb
Then let’s not hope he can be as good as Eli Manning.
Eli is the toughest QB I’ve seen in my lifetime. But he was not a plus QB, not a game changer
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
It would be cool to see how many QBs had Super Bowl appearances, Super Bowl wins, and if the QB went to HOF.
Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
Nowhere have I ever said he didn't.
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
So are you unhappy with what you perceive is his ceiling?
Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
I'm not going to sit here and act like I know what his ceiling will be. He's played 12 f'ing games. I will say, however, if someone tells me we'll get Eli Manning out of him, then go ahead and start the QB search yesterday. Eli was average at best.
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
Who told you we will only get Eli Manning out of him?
Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
Sheesh. Nobody TOLD me. His name was brought up upthread. If somebody thinks Eli is the level to compare Mills to, well, that's not a very good level to be at. As I've said, Eli wasn't even Schaub at his peak good.
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
I brought up the Eli Manning comparison as a question to another poster who said he compares him to a possible Matt Ryan, which I liked. So then you said we should start looking for another guy if that is all we can expect.
Sheesh, we were just shooting the breeze too.
Especially when you are paying your QB 40-50 mil a year.
Look at history and the percentage of the cap the QBs on SB winning teams take up as a guide.
Burrow/ Stafford fell under the criteria for SB winning QBs.
You're a numbers guy. Look at the numbers since 1994.
JWLCASPER
Waterboy
If I am projecting Mills based on body type, throwing mechanics, combine numbers, and eye test then I settle somewhere between Sam Bradford and Matt Ryan. Ten to fifteen years ago he would have likely not made it out of the first couple of rounds. Honestly if not for his injury history he wouldn’t have made it out of the first couple of rounds in current day. Let’s look at the numbers (not stats) and throwing mechanics below.
Measurements
Mills
6’4
225
31 3/8” arm length
9 1/2” hand size
Ryan
6’4 3/4
220
32 5/8” arm length
9 1/2” hand size
Bradford
6’4
225
34 3/8” arm length
9 1/2” hand size
Mills
4.58/4.66 40
Ryan
4.89
Bradford
4.78
Now let’s look at the tape. I’ll try to find three comparable videos and throw types to compare.
Mills - 41 Yd TD Fade to Collins
Bradford - 36 Yd Pump Fade to Thielen
Ryan -44 Yd Fade to Julio
www.atlantafalcons.com
If you look at the ease Mills makes his throw compared to Ryan and Bradford, you get a feel for his arm strength.
Now let’s look at short throws. I love Mills quick delivery in this highlight. 11 Yard slant to Nico.
Bradford 10 yard corner to Rudolph. Notice the quick flick of the wrist but with enough juice to beat the inside man coverage.
Ryan 5 yard out/stick route to Hardy with a little extra zip due to traffic.
Now looking at this small small small sample, if the Texans can get the talent level of a Matt Ryan / Sam Bradford level (1.3 pick / 1.1 pick) at a third round discount, then we are in business. The thing that impresses me with Mills is the compact delivery and speed from decision to release. I would not quite put it on Brady’s release speed, but it is quite a difference after watching bigger pro style QBs like Savage and Osweiler who took an eternity from decision to release.
I am not forecasting a career of Matt Ryan by any means, but this is a best case scenario projection that teams attempt when looking into a prospect’s future potential. This is where I would start to build my views of where Mills could go and where Nick C. is hoping things will go.
Measurements
Mills
6’4
225
31 3/8” arm length
9 1/2” hand size
Ryan
6’4 3/4
220
32 5/8” arm length
9 1/2” hand size
Bradford
6’4
225
34 3/8” arm length
9 1/2” hand size
Mills
4.58/4.66 40
Ryan
4.89
Bradford
4.78
Now let’s look at the tape. I’ll try to find three comparable videos and throw types to compare.
Mills - 41 Yd TD Fade to Collins
Bradford - 36 Yd Pump Fade to Thielen
Ryan -44 Yd Fade to Julio
Can't miss play: Ryan throws deep pass to Jones for 44 yards
QB Matt Ryan throws a perfect pass to wide receiver Julio Jones for 44 yards.
www.atlantafalcons.com
If you look at the ease Mills makes his throw compared to Ryan and Bradford, you get a feel for his arm strength.
Now let’s look at short throws. I love Mills quick delivery in this highlight. 11 Yard slant to Nico.
Bradford 10 yard corner to Rudolph. Notice the quick flick of the wrist but with enough juice to beat the inside man coverage.
Ryan 5 yard out/stick route to Hardy with a little extra zip due to traffic.
Now looking at this small small small sample, if the Texans can get the talent level of a Matt Ryan / Sam Bradford level (1.3 pick / 1.1 pick) at a third round discount, then we are in business. The thing that impresses me with Mills is the compact delivery and speed from decision to release. I would not quite put it on Brady’s release speed, but it is quite a difference after watching bigger pro style QBs like Savage and Osweiler who took an eternity from decision to release.
I am not forecasting a career of Matt Ryan by any means, but this is a best case scenario projection that teams attempt when looking into a prospect’s future potential. This is where I would start to build my views of where Mills could go and where Nick C. is hoping things will go.
Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
Right. Eli sucks, so if that’s a comparison, give me something better than that shit. Next.
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
If I am projecting Mills based on body type, throwing mechanics, combine numbers, and eye test then I settle somewhere between Sam Bradford and Matt Ryan. Ten to fifteen years ago he would have likely not made it out of the first couple of rounds. Honestly if not for his injury history he wouldn’t have made it out of the first couple of rounds in current day. Let’s look at the numbers (not stats) and throwing mechanics below.
Measurements
Mills
6’4
225
31 3/8” arm length
9 1/2” hand size
Ryan
6’4 3/4
220
32 5/8” arm length
9 1/2” hand size
Bradford
6’4
225
34 3/8” arm length
9 1/2” hand size
Mills
4.58/4.66 40
Ryan
4.89
Bradford
4.78
Now let’s look at the tape. I’ll try to find three comparable videos and throw types to compare.
Mills - 41 Yd TD Fade to Collins
Bradford - 36 Yd Pump Fade to Thielen
Ryan -44 Yd Fade to Julio
Can't miss play: Ryan throws deep pass to Jones for 44 yards
QB Matt Ryan throws a perfect pass to wide receiver Julio Jones for 44 yards.
If you look at the ease Mills makes his throw compared to Ryan and Bradford, you get a feel for his arm strength.
Now let’s look at short throws. I love Mills quick delivery in this highlight. 11 Yard slant to Nico.
Bradford 10 yard corner to Rudolph. Notice the quick flick of the wrist but with enough juice to beat the inside man coverage.
Ryan 5 yard out/stick route to Hardy with a little extra zip due to traffic.
Now looking at this small small small sample, if the Texans can get the talent level of a Matt Ryan / Sam Bradford level (1.3 pick / 1.1 pick) at a third round discount, then we are in business. The thing that impresses me with Mills is the compact delivery and speed from decision to release. I would not quite put it on Brady’s release speed, but it is quite a difference after watching bigger pro style QBs like Savage and Osweiler who took an eternity from decision to release.
I am not forecasting a career of Matt Ryan by any means, but this is a best case scenario projection that teams attempt when looking into a prospect’s future potential. This is where I would start to build my views of where Mills could go and where Nick C. is hoping things will go.
Best analysis I have seen.
Give me those 2 rings
michaelm
vox nihili
I feel he's more a Flacco level talent (which is to say not quite at Ryan's level in my opinion) but doesn't have Flacco's arm strength which was elite.
So he's nothing like Flacco?
Get back with me when you find somewhere that says Flavco ever ran below a 5 flat 40, never mind a 4.58.
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JWLCASPER
Waterboy
Go to 1:10 of this video and watch the break away from the sack and run after contact.
Matt Ryan Scrambles for 13 yard TD.
Matt Ryan rushes for a 13-yard touchdown vs. Carolina Panthers
Atlanta Falcons quarterback Matt Ryan shows his wheels on 13-yard TD sprint to the pylon.
www.atlantafalcons.com
Now Flacco walking in molasses for a 38 yard touchdown I still can’t believe happened.
WK 1 Can't-Miss Play: Fleet Footed Flacco
Rookie QB Joe Flacco lumbers 38 yards for his first touchdown in the NFL.
www.baltimoreravens.com
BTW Flacco ran a 4.84 40 which was faster than Ryan, but IMO Ryan definitely was fleeter of foot at BC and ATL than Flacco at Delaware and Baltimore.
badboy
Hall of Fame
TBF in his only season Mills did progressively get better. If that will continue we should find out soon. We are extremely fortunate to probably have a top two pick in the next draft in case he does not. That is not Texans usual Fortune.
badboy
Hall of Fame
You did say you have not seen any signs of his Improvement happening.
Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
T-E-A-M
The Texans had a QB that led the NFL in passing 2 years ago and still only won 4 games.
badboy
Hall of Fame
Yep and that is one of the reasons I think that we will have a better team but still a top-three pick in the draft.
Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
Yeah, that isn't true at all.. I'll take the career Eli had out of Mills while hoping for more, but if that's his floor.. Where do I sign.
Schaub in his best years wasn't better than Eli either.
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SeriousShizzle
Rookie
Why does a average QB (see last years stats) wid arms that looks like noodles........... get respect far?
And NO!!! don't show me no highlight reel neither! How bout them 1000 passes when that ball looks like a duck drunk and wobblely
Like telling Will Fuller...... Hey Will if you just ate 10 more burgers you might not have been so fragile.
And NO!!! don't show me no highlight reel neither! How bout them 1000 passes when that ball looks like a duck drunk and wobblely
Like telling Will Fuller...... Hey Will if you just ate 10 more burgers you might not have been so fragile.
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SeriousShizzle
Rookie
Got to do what it takes. Not given this time and does nothing.
Mills is flojo!!!!! Floppy..............
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Hall of Fame
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OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
Almost every NFL analyst would beg to differ b/c they chose to watch and analyze his last 5 games. It appears you may have not had the chance to watch those final 5 games……you owe to yourself to give them a watch. His improvement from Game 3 to Game 13 to Game 17 was substantial. This is why so many folks like him coming into the 2022 season. I expect to see Mills make another sound step in his development if the running game arrives and the new offense finds a way to involve the TE’s and SWR’s.
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
I mentioned in another thread I would have liked a quality TE added to the roster but that prolly won't happen until next off season now.
Still got some holes to fill yet...
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
The second half of this new season will tell us a lot more about our QB and team.
Fingers crossed they can stay healthy.
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
I got a feeling TE, Brevin Jordan is going to make his NFL splash this season. If they truly incorporate the TE…..Jordan definitely has the talent to make the best of it.
Mangler
Toro de España
That’s only because Mahomes (man with more integrity and dignity) opted to sit the last game of the regular season out. Derapist’s fans love to forget that small detail.
badboy
Hall of Fame
May your word sink deeply into his brain pan!
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
That would be an added bonus so fingers crossed.
Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
Yeah, that isn't true at all.. I'll take the career Eli had out of Mills while hoping for more, but if that's his floor.. Where do I sign.
Schaub in his best years wasn't better than Eli either.
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Eli - 60.3% completions, 4.5/3 TD/INT, 7.0 Y/A, 84.1 PR
Schaub - 64.2% completion, 4.1/2.7 TD/INT, 7.6 Y/A, 89.5 PR
Eli from his 1st PB season to his last (08-15);
61.2%, 4.9/3.1 TD/INT, 7.4 Y/A, 87.7 PR
Schaub from 08-12;
64.9%, 4.4/2.3 TD/INT, 7.9 Y/A, 94.0 PR
87.7 PR would have not only been 22nd in the league last year, but it would have been behind Mills 88.8.
Schaub had a 90+ PR 5 years in a row. Eli did it back-2-back seasons just once, and 5 times total in his career. If Mills floor is Eli, I'll pass and keep searching. I mean, that will be fine until you find a QB, but that's not franchise material IMO. Eli Manning was not good.
I've watched every damn game they've ever played, thank you very much. Mills stats were markedly improved in his 2nd stint as opposed to his 1st. I've mentioned it several times in the past. His PR in the last half of the season was over 100 IIRC. They went from scoring 10 points per game to over 20.
Mills very well could continue to improve, but even if that's the case, it doesn't mean it will translate to wins. They won 4 games the season before with the passing yards leader. Mills also has some tape on him now. Sophomore slumps happen for a reason. We'll see if the adjustments can be made.
And then there's fans who totally miss the point.
Just as many as they won last yr with this QB.
Mangler
Toro de España
No, I get what you’re saying. A good QB means nothing if the team as a whole sucks. (Or vice versa) I just had to throw a little jab at the blind sexual predator fans. Not at you in anyway. You know, text tone…Eli - 60.3% completions, 4.5/3 TD/INT, 7.0 Y/A, 84.1 PR
Schaub - 64.2% completion, 4.1/2.7 TD/INT, 7.6 Y/A, 89.5 PR
Eli from his 1st PB season to his last (08-15);
61.2%, 4.9/3.1 TD/INT, 7.4 Y/A, 87.7 PR
Schaub from 08-12;
64.9%, 4.4/2.3 TD/INT, 7.9 Y/A, 94.0 PR
87.7 PR would have not only been 22nd in the league last year, but it would have been behind Mills 88.8.
Schaub had a 90+ PR 5 years in a row. Eli did it back-2-back seasons just once, and 5 times total in his career. If Mills floor is Eli, I'll pass and keep searching. I mean, that will be fine until you find a QB, but that's not franchise material IMO. Eli Manning was not good.
I've watched every damn game they've ever played, thank you very much. Mills stats were markedly improved in his 2nd stint as opposed to his 1st. I've mentioned it several times in the past. His PR in the last half of the season was over 100 IIRC. They went from scoring 10 points per game to over 20.
Mills very well could continue to improve, but even if that's the case, it doesn't mean it will translate to wins. They won 4 games the season before with the passing yards leader. Mills also has some tape on him now. Sophomore slumps happen for a reason. We'll see if the adjustments can be made.
And then there's fans who totally miss the point.
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Eli - 60.3% completions, 4.5/3 TD/INT, 7.0 Y/A, 84.1 PR
Schaub - 64.2% completion, 4.1/2.7 TD/INT, 7.6 Y/A, 89.5 PR
Eli from his 1st PB season to his last (08-15);
61.2%, 4.9/3.1 TD/INT, 7.4 Y/A, 87.7 PR
Schaub from 08-12;
64.9%, 4.4/2.3 TD/INT, 7.9 Y/A, 94.0 PR
87.7 PR would have not only been 22nd in the league last year, but it would have been behind Mills 88.8.
Schaub had a 90+ PR 5 years in a row. Eli did it back-2-back seasons just once, and 5 times total in his career. If Mills floor is Eli, I'll pass and keep searching. I mean, that will be fine until you find a QB, but that's not franchise material IMO. Eli Manning was not good.
I've watched every damn game they've ever played, thank you very much. Mills stats were markedly improved in his 2nd stint as opposed to his 1st. I've mentioned it several times in the past. His PR in the last half of the season was over 100 IIRC. They went from scoring 10 points per game to over 20.
Mills very well could continue to improve, but even if that's the case, it doesn't mean it will translate to wins. They won 4 games the season before with the passing yards leader. Mills also has some tape on him now. Sophomore slumps happen for a reason. We'll see if the adjustments can be made.
And then there's fans who totally miss the point.
Mills should be better in his sophomore season since he's played so little. For every guy that's suffered a sophomore slump I can point to many more that have played much better in their 2nd seasons. It's like you're rooting for Mills to fail, in your quest to be right. Are Lawrence/Wilson/Fields going to suffer sophomore slumps? If they do they're going to be historically bad.
Coming up clutch is the most important thing. Eli came up clutch on the biggest stage. Schaub folded like a cheap tent. A bunch of useless stats cant quantify this.
True, context does matter, or course you fail to understand the general context of the difference between a bunch of useless stats and winning QB play. I get why this is, things tend to end up this way when posters spend a bunch of time crunching stats they tend to lose sight of what's most important. W/L's.
I’m not going to say there weren’t any ducks. All QBs throw a duck from time to time. I don’t believe Mills did more frequently than others.How bout them 1000 passes when that ball looks like a duck drunk and wobblely
I like everything about the way Mills throws the football. His mechanics, the way it leaves his hands, & especially his anticipation & placement. I don’t think he has the strongest arm in the league. But he knows what he has & how to use it.
michaelm
vox nihili
I was making a comparison of their talent as passers, which I should have specified.
I think they're similar in passing talent overall but Flacco had more arm strength.
Agreed, and Mills appears to be the better athlete and process faster. To say his arm isn't as strong as Flacco's isn't a slight of Mills. Flacco has one of the strongest arms in the NFL still today.
Hottoddie
Veteran
Ask & ye' shall receive. lol https://www.profootballhof.com/news/2020/02/news-super-bowl-starting-qbs/