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Cushing retains AP ROY after re-vote

Lucky said:
I think the NFL should stop suspending players who rape or beat women, kill dogs, or commit vehicular homicide. Let the justice system do it's job and catch people doing illegal things...if they can. The best players need to be on the field when they aren't in jail. We fans want the best possible product on the field, regardless of who is doing the producing. Trying to present a "PC" image is laughable. It's not like they are trying to attract families or corporate sponsors.
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The difference being that I don't think drugs should be illegal in the first place, because they don't harm anyone or infringe on anyone's rights. On top of that, the drugs on the NFL ban list aren't even all illegal.

So yeah. I'll let your argument that smoking weed is comparable to vehicular homicide stand on its own merits.
 
wagonhed said:
Not in this day and age, it wouldn't survive. Many people would stop watching football when they started noticing that those incredible athletes weren't so incredible anymore and started to look more like your average dude at the gym.
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LOL, so you say the majority of the NFL isn't using steroids but the game would suffer if they cleaned the game up....ok


wagonhed said:
The entire image of athletes in this country, probably the world, is distorted by steroids and other PEDs.
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read above....again

wagonhed said:
And keep putting words in my mouth, it really helps your case. Yeah, I think everyone in the NFL is juicing. Man, you burned me hard!!
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wagonhed said:
So if you're going to denounce Brian for using PEDs, you better denounce a lot of the rest of the team too, and say that you want them all to stop using.
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Sorry pal, I'm not sticking any words in your mouth that you haven't spoken already...

wagonhed said:
I never said the league was desperate for ratings. And if you think PEDs distort the reality of the league, well, you must think the reality of the league is the NFL from the 60s. PEDs are reality, dude. That's life. Nothing you or I or anyone else can do about it. The huge guys at the gym, the huge guys on the magazine covers, the huge guys in sports. P E Ds. I've been in the military where I knew tons of guys that used, I've known college players that knew tons of guys that used, I know guys who used with many of their friends in high school, and I know more guys at the gym that use than anything else.

I'm not the one ignoring reality here.
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LOL, you are TALKING TO SOMEONE IN THE MILITARY...SO DON'T TRY TO PLAY THAT CARD ON ME (I know people use...but NOT EVERYBODY USES..that's a copout) and the 60's had some of the best legends that played the game. This game could survive a non steroid league easily.
 
Vinnie said:
Nice back pedal.

I think it's very debatable. Where does this addiction you claim is so palpable come from? Is it chemical or mental?
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google it and find out. I have multiple family members that suffered from this type of addiction......I KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT HERE. I hate to burst your bubble, but steroid/body enhancing drug addiction is a REAL ADDICTION.


Sorry, but a cat who used (not saying he did....just rolling with what the G.M. said) steroids since high school and watched his game elevate since that level all the way to being a star LBer at USC to a mid 1st round pick, not to mention a gym rat who's all about pumping iron who tested dirty during his first pro season MIGHT HAVE A PROBLEM. Ignore it all you want. I hope it's not true either, but the fear isn't any less either way. Reg flags are flying everywhere. But let's ignore all of those flags just because of the fact that he's a Houston Texan. I love Cushing.....he was a badass, if anybody wanted to ignore these signs it would be me (and I did ignore them), but with my family history.....I CAN'T. The dude reeks of serious steroid/PED issues
 
Carr Bombed said:
LOL, so you say the majority of the NFL isn't using steroids but the game would suffer if they cleaned the game up....ok

read above....again

Sorry pal, I'm not sticking any words in your mouth that you haven't spoken already...

LOL, you are TALKING TO SOMEONE IN THE MILITARY...SO DON'T TRY TO PLAY THAT CARD ON ME (I know people use...but NOT EVERYBODY USES..that's a copout) and the 60's had some of the best legends that played the game. This game could survive a non steroid league easily.
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You don't seem to be getting the difference between many, most, and all.

I've said before that I think most, as in a large percentage, of NFL players have used PEDs at some point in their life. I've said I think a lot of guys use in college. Is it 25%? 50%? I don't know, but in big programs I definitely think it is up there. In the NFL, well, I agreed with Pencil Neck that the amount that use is less than 50%. Also, when players get older I doubt they use as much. And in any case, you don't need to use them constantly. A cycle every few years would do the trick for some people.

Point is, it's not a rare phenomenon. And of course you make up more **** about the military. Yes Carr Bombed, I said everyone in the military uses. LOL. I said I knew a bunch, a ton, whatever, it's not everyone. I already said in another thread that I knew I think it was around 20 people in my company of 150 that used, as in I had direct knowledge that they were using.

Even though I've just wasted 3 minutes of my life explaining how many people I think use or have used PEDs, people like you and texecutioner will continue to say I said **** that I didn't. Your entire argument is built around making **** up about what I've said. Nice.



And yeah, I know that there were some great players in the 60s before steroids. Ever see a guy built like Vernon Davis, Brian Orakpo, or MJD back then? Course you didn't. Because steroids didn't exist in the US yet.

There are only two ways to make everything equal. Test everyone in the NFL every single week for every single PED, or don't test anyone at all. Until they do either of those, I'll just keep on assuming that the NFL is dirty.
 
wagonhed said:
You don't seem to be getting the difference between many, most, and all.

I've said before that I think most, as in a large percentage, of NFL players have used PEDs at some point in their life. I've said I think a lot of guys use in college. Is it 25%? 50%? I don't know, but in big programs I definitely think it is up there. In the NFL, well, I agreed with Pencil Neck that the amount that use is less than 50%. Also, when players get older I doubt they use as much. And in any case, you don't need to use them constantly. A cycle every few years would do the trick for some people.

Point is, it's not a rare phenomenon. And of course you make up more **** about the military. Yes Carr Bombed, I said everyone in the military uses. LOL. I said I knew a bunch, a ton, whatever, it's not everyone. I already said in another thread that I knew I think it was around 20 people in my company of 150 that used, as in I had direct knowledge that they were using.

Even though I've just wasted 3 minutes of my life explaining how many people I think use or have used PEDs, people like you and texecutioner will continue to say I said **** that I didn't. Your entire argument is built around making **** up about what I've said. Nice.



And yeah, I know that there were some great players in the 60s before steroids. Ever see a guy built like Vernon Davis, Brian Orakpo, or MJD back then? Course you didn't. Because steroids didn't exist in the US yet.

There are only two ways to make everything equal. Test everyone in the NFL every single week for every single PED, or don't test anyone at all. Until they do either of those, I'll just keep on assuming that the NFL is dirty.
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Sorry, stopped reading when you said that I said "everybody in the military uses stuff" :lol Where did I EVER SAY THAT? I see what you do......say "you've seen/knew a bunch, a ton" (football or military) then when I question what you just said you say I put words in your mouth....

I NEVER SAID PEOPLE IN THE MILITARY ARE ROID FREAKS.

P.S.

Newsflash and I hate to break this to you, but the reason why you don't see people like Vernon Davis, Brian Orakpo, or MJD walking the streets is because they are million dollar physical specimens and you see those rare physical athletes walking the street.....if you did you'd know about 5 neighbors that would be in the league. The get paid, because THEY ARE RARE. THAT DOESN'T MEAN THE CHEAT.
 
Carr Bombed said:
Sorry, stopped reading when you said that I said "everybody in the military uses stuff" :lol Where did I EVER SAY THAT? I see what you do......say "you've seen/knew a bunch, a ton" (football or military) then when I question what you just said you say I put words in your mouth....

I NEVER SAID PEOPLE IN THE MILITARY ARE ROID FREAKS.

P.S.

Newsflash and I hate to break this to you, but the reason why you don't see people like Vernon Davis, Brian Orakpo, or MJD walking the streets is because they are million dollar physical specimens and you see those rare physical athletes walking the street.....if you did you'd know about 5 neighbors that would be in the league. The get paid, because THEY ARE RARE. THAT DOESN'T MEAN THE CHEAT.
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Honestly, what I love about people like you is you always scream PEDs/steroids...anytime a "freak comes along", but ignore the growth hormones that are pumped in all of todays food, the sports medicine/training today, and the evolution of today's athlete. Track is the most tested sport around...is it no coincidence that we now have the fastest athlete that ever lived in Usain Bolt (Who BTW takes more drug tests than any Human currently alive? "Freaks" are always going to come about, that's just human nature. It doesn't mean everybody is dirty and is a cheater.
 
Carr Bombed said:
google it and find out. I have multiple family members that suffered from this type of addiction......I KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT HERE. I hate to burst your bubble, but steroid/body enhancing drug addiction is a REAL ADDICTION.


Sorry, but a cat who used (not saying he did....just rolling with what the G.M. said) steroids since high school and watched his game elevate since that level all the way to being a star LBer at USC to a mid 1st round pick, not to mention a gym rat who's all about pumping iron who tested dirty during his first pro season MIGHT HAVE A PROBLEM. Ignore it all you want. I hope it's not true either, but the fear isn't any less either way. Reg flags are flying everywhere. But let's ignore all of those flags just because of the fact that he's a Houston Texan. I love Cushing.....he was a badass, if anybody wanted to ignore these signs it would be me (and I did ignore them), but with my family history.....I CAN'T. The dude reeks of serious steroid/PED issues
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So, CB, are you going on the record here as being in the camp that says Cush will wither on the field and become a mere "shell" of himself?

Just axin'
 
drs23 said:
So, CB, are you going on the record here as being in the camp that says Cush will wither on the field and become a mere "shell" of himself?

Just axin'
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I can't answer that question....

If he was a product of performance enhancing drugs SINCE HIGH SCHOOL....then yes, he will. If he comes clean, he'll flop out and crash hard.

But if (and hopefully) he was some just guy that got popped once, then no he won't. But if he is what that G.M. tried to say (AKA, a player whose entire football career was built on PED's), then yeah.....this isn't the last we'll here from his problems and he'll cost this team alot more suspensions and subpar games.
 
Carr Bombed said:
How is saying that Cushing still cheated insinuating that life is over as we know it? That is a stretch at best
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All I'm saying, is Brian Cushing getting caught cheating is one thing. We're dealing with that in other threads.

It's possible for some people to be upset that he cheated, and there are many different angles we can chase that topic, and still feel good about him keeping this acknowledgment.


This is about DROY. Whether we thought he deserved it or not, many thought it was foolish to have a "re-vote." Then the result being what it is... c'mon that's got to be a little funny.

It was the same at the ending of the season. Many fans were upset we didn't make the play-offs. I was upset we didn't make the play-offs. At the same time, I was happy (elated?? maybe) that we were 2nd in the AFC South, with our first winning season at 9-7.
 
Lucky said:
I think the NFL should stop suspending players who rape or beat women, kill dogs, or commit vehicular homicide.
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Me too.. seriously.

I think that should be left to the franchise. & if the NFL doesn't like what the franchise is doing, the NFL should punish the franchise.
 
Carr Bombed said:
google it and find out. I have multiple family members that suffered from this type of addiction......I KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT HERE. I hate to burst your bubble, but steroid/body enhancing drug addiction is a REAL ADDICTION.
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Is alcohol addictive?
 
b0ng said:
Interesting reading material everywhere.
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He got caught BEFORE the season.

That means he was tested constently through out the season and didn't fail which means his stats he posted without cheating.

Plus before they take his award away they need to take McGwire's Award away. Doc Gooden's award away, Merriman's award way, Jevon Kearse's awards away, kick all of the 70's Steelers out of the HOF and take away their championships.....
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http://boards.buffalobills.com/showpost.php?p=3889416&postcount=15

Good post. Though, I don't think it was before the season. Was it?
 
Carr Bombed said:
Umm....yeah, what's your point?
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That's my point. Alcohol is no more addictive than chocolate cake.

Some people may become addicted to alcohol, the same way you are saying some people get addicted to steroids, or throwing up.

a little different wouldn't you think?
 
thunderkyss said:
That's my point. Alcohol is no more addictive than chocolate cake.

Some people may become addicted to alcohol, the same way you are saying some people get addicted to steroids, or throwing up.

a little different wouldn't you think?
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LMAO!!!

HAHAHA!!!

Did you really just compare Alcoholism to :spit: Chocolate cake :gun:

Ohh Geez....this is the definition of "homerisim.
 
Carr Bombed said:
LMAO!!!

HAHAHA!!!

Did you really just compare Alcoholism to :spit: Chocolate cake :gun:

Ohh Geez....this is the definition of "homerisim.
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I'm trying to help you out here brother. Alcohol is not addictive. If it were, everyone who drank it would be alcoholics. It's not a problem with the drink, it is the person.

Same thing with sticking your finger down your throat, so you don't get fat. Not addictive. Some people can't stop themselves from doing it, because the are addicted... sick...

Grow up.
 
thunderkyss said:
I'm trying to help you out here brother. Alcohol is not addictive. If it were, everyone who drank it would be alcoholics. It's not a problem with the drink, it is the person.

Same thing with sticking your finger down your throat, so you don't get fat. Not addictive. Some people can't stop themselves from doing it, because the are addicted... sick...

Grow up.
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Umm, Alcohol is one of the worst/most destructive drugs ever created and one of the most addictive drugs ever.....this doesn't help any argument.
 
Carr Bombed said:
Umm, Alcohol is one of the worst/most destructive drugs ever created and one of the most addictive drugs ever.....this doesn't help any argument.
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Perhaps alcohol (which I drink a lot of at times, yet I am not addicted) and steroids are similar in that some people get attached to them, and feel as though they can't stop.

It's not a true addiction, IMHO. Nicotine on the other hand (which I am addicted to) is addictive. As is crack cocaine... weed is not addictive... heroine is.

It is quite possible, that I am wrong on this. But I never thought alcohol, or steroids were addictive.
 
There's addiction and then there's addiction.

Even with the most addictive drugs, some people can take them once and walk away while other people will never be able to leave them alone.

Some guys get addicted to the feeling of power and strength that steroids give them. Some guys have body issues and get addicted to trying to make themselves look a certain way. But steroids don't get into your system and make you have to have them. At least, not to the best of my knowledge.

I could be wrong (and CnD will tell me if I am :) ) but I don't personally consider steroids very addictive. Much less addictive than alcohol or meth or crack or heroine or smoking. Because, like Thunderkyss was kinda saying, with steroids the addiction comes from a probably pre-existing mental condition that the steroids feed into while alcohol and drugs can actually make your body chemistry almost REQUIRE those chemical compounds in addition to mental conditions that they may also be feeding into. (TKyss wasn't saying that last part and was actually kinda taking the stance that addiction is all in your head, which is categorically wrong.)

Cush may have been doing steroids since he was a teenager (although frankly, I'd expect him to be a lot shorter if that were the case) but just the fact that he can go an entire season without taking them seems to deny any possibility of addiction to them.
 
wagonhed said:
Even though I've just wasted 3 minutes of my life explaining how many people I think use or have used PEDs, people like you and texecutioner will continue to say I said **** that I didn't. Your entire argument is built around making **** up about what I've said. Nice.
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You can't lie about what you write or didn't write when it's right there in plain site.



wagonhed said:
And yeah, I know that there were some great players in the 60s before steroids. Ever see a guy built like Vernon Davis, Brian Orakpo, or MJD back then? Course you didn't. Because steroids didn't exist in the US yet.
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You honestly don't believe that a guy like MJD can be as great as he is and be completely clean?
 
Really nobody like us will ever know what Cushing's entire steroid history is unless he writes some sort of tell-all book about it. We will definitely be able to speculate based on his play on the field though, so we'll have that. If he was really some kind of roid junkie that's giving HJ's out at the local gym for a cycle (As CB is stating he could be) then yes he will either play terribly or get busted again or both.

However, I think that right now, this is a one time thing and that he's going to come back with something to prove. Last year, his something to prove was "I should've been the 1st LB taken". This year he'll have to prove that he can do it and pass pee tests, and I think he'll be up for the challenge.
 
I believe people voted for Cushing after they found out he wasn't going to lose any money over it. What kind of story is there if he doesn't lose any money?
 
GP said:
LOL. Rep for most succinct post of the day.
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Imatexanfan gives me neg rep for THIS?!?!?

[LOL]. I was reading the Neg Rep thread just yesterday, thinking how awesome it is that I haven't received neg rep in forever. And now I got tagged. [/LOL].

It's pandemonium on here! The universe is unraveling.
 
El Tejano said:
I believe people voted for Cushing after they found out he wasn't going to lose any money over it. What kind of story is there if he doesn't lose any money?
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I think the 18 who stuck to their vote are the types of people who don't like to be TOLD or MADE to do this sort of second-guessing, retrospective, revisionist history hooey-phooey. They stuck it to The Man.

Good for them.

Everybody wants to be seen as being so culturally enlightened and nuanced. Just like the L.A. Council and the school in Illinois who are boycotting Arizona's crackdown on immigration. It's shallow.
 
Carr Bombed said:
:spit:



(for the record...I love Cushing) I'm just not going to white wash everything he's done, like y'all.
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CB, I've been behind most of what you've been saying, but I think there's a large majority of us who aren't white-washing anything. We understand he failed the test, he's guilty and deserved punishment.

Like you, I want a clean sport, without PED's, HGH and the rest of the BS used to cover up. However, I'm also not going to be naive to think it'll happen any time soon. Heck, I don't even think there's a test for HGH yet. So we, as fans, will ream a player that's caught, then will turn a blind eye because there ain't a dadgum thing we can do about it.

Again, I want all sports clean and maybe one day it'll happen.
 
HOU-TEX said:
CB, I've been behind most of what you've been saying, but I think there's a large majority of us who aren't white-washing anything. We understand he failed the test, he's guilty and deserved punishment.

Like you, I want a clean sport, without PED's, HGH and the rest of the BS used to cover up. However, I'm also not going to be naive to think it'll happen any time soon. Heck, I don't even think there's a test for HGH yet. So we, as fans, will ream a player that's caught, then will turn a blind eye because there ain't a dadgum thing we can do about it.

Again, I want all sports clean and maybe one day it'll happen.
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Say what you will about me, but Im being honest when I say this. I could care less what he takes. Im more pissed that he got caught than the fact that he took what he took. If you can get away with it then so be it. Again, what Im saying isnt the most popular opinion but its they way I feel. It sucks that hes gone for four games, I think his suspension should've been overturned........but thats just my unpopular opinion.

crucify me now or praise me later.

:kitten:
 
When the Ravens were in the playoffs this past season, just before the Patriots playoff game kicked off...the radio I was listening to (traveling that day) had a HUGE story on Ray Lewis.

It was about his work with the youth, and his glorious battle to overcome perceptions of who he was and who he is today.

I'm beginning to see that there is two standards here. One person is going to be gutted like a fish, and the other is being glorified. Youshould see the FoxSports writers. They already got their response written and posted. Clayton over at ESPN.com has his rebuttal in. I guess it's big business for them to stand at the podium and command the mic for eternity.

And that just rubs me raw. I'm going to need GoldBond powder before Cushing's sophomore season is finished.

I had hoped Brian would have some words and some contrition. Now? I hope he sticks it to them, AND to the reporters. Ray Lewis was arguably at the center of a MURDER. What a messed up world.

EDIT: Clayton talks about "not seeing contrition" from Cushing. I have a feeling the thing that has made Ray Lewis such a Swedish massage for the sports media is that he has given them two stories: Story one was his murder situation, and story two was his climb back to the top of Moral Mt. Everest. The writers have flogged the Cushing positive test to death, and now it's time for Cushing to give them a touchy-feely resurrection story. And until he does, they will see to it that he doesn't escape their scrutiny. Give in, Brian...embrace your punishment. :shallowness:
 
2slik4u said:
Say what you will about me, but Im being honest when I say this. I could care less what he takes. Im more pissed that he got caught than the fact that he took what he took. If you can get away with it then so be it. Again, what Im saying isnt the most popular opinion but its they way I feel. It sucks that hes gone for four games, I think his suspension should've been overturned........but thats just my unpopular opinion.

crucify me now or praise me later.

:kitten:
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Agreed

This is entertainment and I dont care what athletes put into their bodies.

The it's about the children crowd make me sick. If a parent is relying on professional athletes to be role models something has gone way wrong in their household.

When adults use children to further their own agendas (welfare moms for example) It is really about doing or using everything in their power to get a result that they want and if they have to throw a few people under the bus to accomplish said desired result so be it.
 
Carr Bombed said:
Umm, Alcohol is one of the worst/most destructive drugs ever created and one of the most addictive drugs ever.....this doesn't help any argument.
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actually that would be tobacco....

Anything can be an addiction if it is abused. alcohol, drugs, steroid, chocolate cake. Alcohol can be addictive, but it is no more addictive than food or video games, until the user starts to abuse it.
 
GP said:
When the Ravens were in the playoffs this past season, just before the Patriots playoff game kicked off...the radio I was listening to (traveling that day) had a HUGE story on Ray Lewis.

It was about his work with the youth, and his glorious battle to overcome perceptions of who he was and who he is today.

I'm beginning to see that there is two standards here. One person is going to be gutted like a fish, and the other is being glorified. Youshould see the FoxSports writers. They already got their response written and posted. Clayton over at ESPN.com has his rebuttal in. I guess it's big business for them to stand at the podium and command the mic for eternity.

And that just rubs me raw. I'm going to need GoldBond powder before Cushing's sophomore season is finished.

I had hoped Brian would have some words and some contrition. Now? I hope he sticks it to them, AND to the reporters. Ray Lewis was arguably at the center of a MURDER. What a messed up world.

EDIT: Clayton talks about "not seeing contrition" from Cushing. I have a feeling the thing that has made Ray Lewis such a Swedish massage for the sports media is that he has given them two stories: Story one was his murder situation, and story two was his climb back to the top of Moral Mt. Everest. The writers have flogged the Cushing positive test to death, and now it's time for Cushing to give them a touchy-feely resurrection story. And until he does, they will see to it that he doesn't escape their scrutiny. Give in, Brian...embrace your punishment. :shallowness:
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The media loves them some them

They like to determine how the public views these multi million $ athletes. They are jealous that they dont make the kinda $ that the athletes make. So if athletes dont make their jobs easy (Like Ray Lewis did) They know they can turn the court public opinion against said athlete.

This is why Cushing needs to go along with the story line and bow at the alter of the media. I.E. Dick Justice
 
HOU-TEX said:
CB, I've been behind most of what you've been saying, but I think there's a large majority of us who aren't white-washing anything. We understand he failed the test, he's guilty and deserved punishment.

Like you, I want a clean sport, without PED's, HGH and the rest of the BS used to cover up. However, I'm also not going to be naive to think it'll happen any time soon. Heck, I don't even think there's a test for HGH yet. So we, as fans, will ream a player that's caught, then will turn a blind eye because there ain't a dadgum thing we can do about it.

Again, I want all sports clean and maybe one day it'll happen.
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Not me, I dig 500ft HRs and bone crushing hits in the grid Iron and if modern science can help in that department of entertainment, more power to it! Those guys are still superior athletes regardless of what they take to advance. It's not like anybody on this board can start a steroid cycle, and jump into a batter's box and it a 95 mph fastball 500ft, off the street. You had to of have that skill to begin with and I could safely say nobody here has it.

These are grown ass men playing kids games. If they want to risk their health to make millions, who are we to say no. they understand the consequences of their actions. If they make a bed of needles, let them lie in it....
 
I found this pretty funny. Apparently this Ed Bouchette dude changed his initial vote to Cushing this time because he was pissed about doing the revote. Ha, props to him


@mortreport RT @Jirsche1211: @mortreport Ed Bouchette changed his vote ... TO BRIAN CUSHING?! > Ed stated his switch reflected his disdain for re-vote
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http://twitter.com/mortreport
 
Here's the entire list of who voted and for who. Hadn't seen it posted

KEPT BRIAN CUSHING(notes) (17)
Don Banks, Sports Illustrated.com
Bob Berger, Sporting News Radio
Chris Berman, ESPN
Steve Cohen, Sirius Satellite Radio
Frank Cooney, SportsXChange
Mark Craig, Minneapolis Star Tribune
Tom Curran, Comcast Sportsnet
Vinny Ditrani, The Record
Rick Gosselin, Dallas Morning News
Paul Gutierrez, Sacramento Bee
Clark Judge, CBSSports.com
John McClain, Houston Chronicle
Gary Myers, New York Daily News
Danny O'Neil, Seattle Times
Pete Prisco, CBSSports.com
Adam Teicher, Kansas City Star
Charean Williams Fort Worth Star-Telegram
KEPT JAIRUS BYRD(notes) (4)
Brian Allee-Walsh, New Orleans.com
Paul Domowitch, Philadelphia Daily News
Ashley Fox, Philadelphia Inquirer
Armando Salguero, Miami Herald
KEPT CLAY MATTHEWS(notes) (3)
Jim Corbett, USA Today
Tony Grossi, Cleveland Plain Dealer
Kent Somers, Arizona Republic
CHANGED TO BRIAN CUSHING (1)
Ed Bouchette, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette (Jairus Byrd)
CHANGED FROM BRIAN CUSHING (19)
Jarrett Bell, USA Today (Jairus Byrd)
Clifton Brown, The Sporting News (Jairus Byrd)
Rich Cimini, New York Daily News (Clay Matthews)
John Clayton, ESPN The Magazine (Clay Matthews)
Bob Costas, HBO/NBC Sports (Clay Matthews)
John Czarnecki, Fox Sports (Brian Orakpo(notes))
Boomer Esiason, CBS/Westwood One (Jairus Byrd)
Mark Gaughan, Buffalo News (Jairus Byrd)
Nancy Gay, AOL Fanhouse (Jairus Byrd)
Bob Glauber, Newsday (Jairus Byrd)
Dave Goldberg, AOL Fanhouse (Clay Matthews)
Ira Kaufman, Tampa Tribune (Jairus Byrd)
Peter King, Sports Illustrated (Clay Matthews)
Matt Maiocco, Santa Rosa Press Democrat (Clay Matthews)
Alex Marvez, Foxsports.com (Jairus Byrd)
Pat McManamon, Akron Beacon Journal (Jairus Byrd)
Dan Pompei, Chicago Tribune (Clay Matthews)
Adam Schein, Sirius NFL Radio (Brian Orakpo)
Frank Schwab, Colorado Springs Gazette (Clay Matthews)
ABSTAINED (3)
Howie Long, Fox Sports
Chris Mortensen, ESPN
Tom Silverstein, Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel
Note: All had Cushing in the original balloting.
CHANGED FROM JAIRUS BYRD (2)
Ed Bouchette, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette (Brian Cushing)
David Elfin, Washington Times (Brian Orakpo)
CHANGED FROM BRIAN ORAKPO (2)
Howard Balzer, Fox Sports Net (James Laurinaitis(notes))
Len Shapiro, Miami Herald (Clay Matthews)
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http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-apnfldefensiverookievoterbreakdown
 
HOU-TEX said:
I found this pretty funny. Apparently this Ed Bouchette dude changed his initial vote to Cushing this time because he was pissed about doing the revote. Ha, props to him.
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Ha! I was actually wondering if for some weird reason someone voted for him the 2nd time that didn't the 1st!

Also, thanks for the list of who voted for who. Other than Bouchette, I don't understand how or why someone who voted for someone other than Cushing would or could change their vote this time to someone else (other than Cushing).

CHANGED FROM JAIRUS BYRD (2)
Ed Bouchette, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette (Brian Cushing)
David Elfin, Washington Times (Brian Orakpo)

CHANGED FROM BRIAN ORAKPO (2)
Howard Balzer, Fox Sports Net (James Laurinaitis)
Len Shapiro, Miami Herald (Clay Matthews)
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Particularly the Bolded Red. Why change from Byrd to Orakpo? Why change from Orakpo to Laurinaitis/Matthews? It makes no sense to me. They had their vote when they did and shouldn't be allowed to go back after and change it UNLESS they want to take their vote away from Cushing. That's the whole reason why it's being reopened in the first place. Some of these writers are so dumb.
 
steelbtexan said:
The media loves them some them

They like to determine how the public views these multi million $ athletes. They are jealous that they dont make the kinda $ that the athletes make. So if athletes dont make their jobs easy (Like Ray Lewis did) They know they can turn the court public opinion against said athlete.

This is why Cushing needs to go along with the story line and bow at the alter of the media. I.E. Dick Justice
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Yeah, there's a lot of egotistical power-tripping going on.

No wonder athletes are tweeting stuff. I hope they render the sports media useless in the next decade.
 
I can't believe Adam Schein has a vote. That guy has to be to most annoying human being on the face of the earth.
 
stingray said:
I can't believe Adam Schein has a vote. That guy has to be to most annoying human being on the face of the earth.
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He looks like he'd be Jeff Goldblum's annoying little brother.

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Clark Judge and Pete Prisco were already solid in my book. Now they are even more golden than before.

I submitted a satire piece on Daniel Snyder a few years ago, and sent it to Clark Judge, and he actually emailed me back and said he thought it was a really funny and well-written op/ed piece.

The guy who switched his vote should be sent cash money, and a box of cigars. Anybody want to pitch in? I'll find out his contact information and send it to him. Just PM me and we'll get 'er done.
 
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