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Cushing retains AP ROY after re-vote
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wagonhed
Team Gruden
Lol, so now you're calling me a liar....
If my posts are right there in plain "site", why don't you actually quote me instead of changing everything I've said? How many times have you said that I think 90% of the NFL uses steroids without quoting me? Hmmm. Seems like if I was such a liar you would just quote me and prove it.
PS - **** off. I'm still not going to engage you on this. Get over it.
GP
Go Texans!
Uh, but you just did. :headscratcher:
GP
Go Texans!
link: Ed Bouchette switches his vote to Cushing
Already have one guy who PM'd me and said he's in for the box of cigars. Anybody else? I'm in the process of finding a mailing address. I'll include a "Thank You" card for not being a weenie and switching his vote.
GP
Go Texans!
Below is the email I sent to Ed Bouchette, but I doubt he will read it. We'll see, though. I also called and had the operator connect me...but it went to voice mail and yet the voice mail system didn't work. LOL.:
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Ed:
On www.texanstalk.com/forums (The forum area is Texans Talk, where we're discussing Cushing retaining the DROY award yesterday) some of us were noticing that you actually switched your vote and gave Cushing a bump. Now, hear me out. We know you are not celebrating the mess he's in. But you did make a statement against the re-vote with your vote-switch, which we find very commendable.
Is there any way we could mail you something from Texas, to show our appreciation for you standing up to the media mafia who capitulated in knee-jerk fashion earlier this week? I had thought about a box of cigars, but maybe you're not a cigar guy. We have some really, really good beff jerky that we can send. It's the bizness.
Anyways, there is a lot of discussion on this at the message board. Opinions are diverse, obviously. We just wanted to take time out of our day to say that we saw who capitulated and who refused to exploit this situation so they could have a few extra days of op/eds to crank out. Thank you, sir.
- GP on the www.texanstalk.com/forums website
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Ed:
On www.texanstalk.com/forums (The forum area is Texans Talk, where we're discussing Cushing retaining the DROY award yesterday) some of us were noticing that you actually switched your vote and gave Cushing a bump. Now, hear me out. We know you are not celebrating the mess he's in. But you did make a statement against the re-vote with your vote-switch, which we find very commendable.
Is there any way we could mail you something from Texas, to show our appreciation for you standing up to the media mafia who capitulated in knee-jerk fashion earlier this week? I had thought about a box of cigars, but maybe you're not a cigar guy. We have some really, really good beff jerky that we can send. It's the bizness.
Anyways, there is a lot of discussion on this at the message board. Opinions are diverse, obviously. We just wanted to take time out of our day to say that we saw who capitulated and who refused to exploit this situation so they could have a few extra days of op/eds to crank out. Thank you, sir.
- GP on the www.texanstalk.com/forums website
Is cocaine addictive?
By your logic - that since not everyone who does it gets addicted - then it's not. I've known many people who party hard and have used it as a "recreational drug" and never got addicted. But nobody is going to argue that cocaine is not addictive.
And then there is the reality of alcohol addiction:
Why alcohol is addictive
And if you really want to argue the point, I'm sure there is a AA meeting near you that would gladly educate you on the subject.
And for those folks who refuse to accept the reality of steroid addiction:
Users of Steroids Risk Addiction, Two Researchers at Yale Report (this stuff was known over 20 years ago, btw)
Anabolic Steroid Abuse
and this:
And there are plenty of other legit sources to back the facts of steroid addiction.
Some of y'all's perspectives remind me of the Abe Lincoln quote: "If you call a tail a leg, how many legs has a dog? Five? No, calling a tail a leg don't make it a leg."
Arf!
Ole Miss Texan
Hall of Fame
Aside from that, I think anything could be addictive to people. Maybe not in the normal sense you think about, but in a psychological way. There's a lot of people that are so worried about their weight, even when they're terribly skinny they still see themselves as fat. lots of eating disorders and stuff like that. It's all messed up in the brain.
I see steroids in a similar way. The substance itself could be addictive but even if not.. a person could get "addicted" to the way they feel or look when taking them. I can see a lot of people this way just not thinking their strong enough or don't look cut enough and keep pushing it and pushing it.
Not saying Cushing is like that at all but just giving my view on this whole addiction/problem talk.
I see steroids in a similar way. The substance itself could be addictive but even if not.. a person could get "addicted" to the way they feel or look when taking them. I can see a lot of people this way just not thinking their strong enough or don't look cut enough and keep pushing it and pushing it.
Not saying Cushing is like that at all but just giving my view on this whole addiction/problem talk.
GP
Go Texans!
I'm addicted to eating dog meat. I keep mindlessly stumbling back to the same bad-side-of-town Thai food cafe on a weekly basis.
What do you expect for a $4.50 buffet? Actual pig or beef? LOL. Silly.
I prefer their cashew daschund, but the Kung Pao terrier is in the mix too. Bob Barker approves.
I prefer Labrador. They are a lean meat from so much running, and they are also endorsed by the China National Space Administration.
GP
Go Texans!
I totally forgot about that story. I don't want to even read it. :vomit:
Some stories, you gotta' just let the headline do the talking. No need to read any further. LOL.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
There's addiction and then there's addiction.
Even with the most addictive drugs, some people can take them once and walk away while other people will never be able to leave them alone.
Some guys get addicted to the feeling of power and strength that steroids give them. Some guys have body issues and get addicted to trying to make themselves look a certain way. But steroids don't get into your system and make you have to have them. At least, not to the best of my knowledge.
I could be wrong (and CnD will tell me if I am) but I don't personally consider steroids very addictive. Much less addictive than alcohol or meth or crack or heroine or smoking. Because, like Thunderkyss was kinda saying, with steroids the addiction comes from a probably pre-existing mental condition that the steroids feed into while alcohol and drugs can actually make your body chemistry almost REQUIRE those chemical compounds in addition to mental conditions that they may also be feeding into. (TKyss wasn't saying that last part and was actually kinda taking the stance that addiction is all in your head, which is categorically wrong.)
Cush may have been doing steroids since he was a teenager (although frankly, I'd expect him to be a lot shorter if that were the case) but just the fact that he can go an entire season without taking them seems to deny any possibility of addiction to them.
You are correct about the psychological aspect of the addiction (which can be a strong component). But there is a definite proven element to the chemical/physical aspect of the addiction.
This is a well accepted generalized summary of the addictive nature of the substances in question.
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To elaborate a bit more on the steroid aspect:
A Harvard study published in the December 2009 issue of the Journal Addiction entitled
Anabolic-androgenic steroid dependence: an emerging disorder
Anabolic steroids are considered by the medical community as potentially both chemically/physically and psychologically addictive. Although AAS users may be more likely to consult physicians for nonpsychiatric medical consequences than changes in their mental status, it is repeatedly shown that the additional motivation for persistent use despite adverse consequences is sustained in large part by psychological variables.
wagonhed
Team Gruden
I'll try to read that study later, no time now.
I do want to ask though. Isn't "addiction to steroids" more properly labeled as a type of body dysmorphia, like anorexia? Seems a lot more reasonable to call it a mental illness than a chemical or physical addiction.
Ask yourself this. If another drug came around that had the same effects on muscle building as steroids do, but had totally different emotional/mental side effects and none of the health dangers, do you really think steroid users would have trouble switching because of addiction? I don't.
They aren't addicted to the drug. They are addicted to being strong/big. On top of that, "steroid" refers to at least 20 different drugs. Almost every steroid is unique and has different physical and psychological effects. Some have VASTLY different effects. How is it that you can lump them all in one group and say "they're addictive"?
Strikes me as kind of the same thing as saying junk food, or fatty foods, is addictive. I mean look how many obese people can't stop eating them, right?
I do want to ask though. Isn't "addiction to steroids" more properly labeled as a type of body dysmorphia, like anorexia? Seems a lot more reasonable to call it a mental illness than a chemical or physical addiction.
Ask yourself this. If another drug came around that had the same effects on muscle building as steroids do, but had totally different emotional/mental side effects and none of the health dangers, do you really think steroid users would have trouble switching because of addiction? I don't.
They aren't addicted to the drug. They are addicted to being strong/big. On top of that, "steroid" refers to at least 20 different drugs. Almost every steroid is unique and has different physical and psychological effects. Some have VASTLY different effects. How is it that you can lump them all in one group and say "they're addictive"?
Strikes me as kind of the same thing as saying junk food, or fatty foods, is addictive. I mean look how many obese people can't stop eating them, right?
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
That's exactly what I just did earlier in this thread when you denied calling Orakpo a cheater. You went to your typical ploy of blaming other people for putting words into your mouth and I quoted the post for you again so you couldn't hide from it the 2nd time. Then you turned around and pulled the same thing with Carr Bombed when you put yourself in a corner with him.
Don't make up random things out of thin air if you can't prove it or explain it with some sort of evidence or facts. And don't blame myself or anyone else when you're questioned on it.
That's probably your best bet since this is just another situation where you've made another false claim without any evidence or facts to the contrary.
The Pencil Neck
Hall of Fame
Thanks very much. I had never seen that before. Everything I had seen prior to that was that there wasn't a physical component.
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
Yeah, basically everything Carr Bombed was saying earlier was true about alcohol and steroids both being addictive. I don't see how anyone could argue that alcohol isn't addictive.
I've seen several people addicted to steroids as well. It isn't physically addictive like crack or cocaine, but insecure people that get on steroids and are very self contious about the way that they look and how they're perceived can get very addicted to steroids and the extra look and strength that it gives them. There's people I've known that looked fantastic for years that were on roids and could have gotten off of them at any point and stayed a very nice size, but after while it became part of their lifestyle. It's hard for a lot of adults to change certain lifestyles after a certain age.
I hope that Cushing hasn't been doing steroids since HS, but I personally think he has. Rumors like that aren't circulating about all of these other players everywhere. It's a reason why there's been as much smoke about the guy since all the way back to HS. We're not talking about this just happening now, or a few rumors from college. This goes back like 6 to 7 years now with Cushing. I just hope that he can return as the same player he as last season.
Porky
Hall of Fame
Totally off subject but my girlfriend seems to be addicted to eating ice. Anyone ever heard of that one? She said she never did it until she met me, now she can't stop. And the funny thing is she either gets lite ice or no ice in her drinks when we go out...then halfway thru the meal, she'll ask the waiter for a glass of ice, then takes her spoon and eats it all. I keep telling her it's bad for her teeth, but she says she can't stop. I know y'all think I'm being funny, but I'm not. Is that an actual addiction, because she swears she can't stop.
In regards to Cushing, I agree with the AP, but I also feel that it's likely he has been doing this since HS. I wonder if he is even capable of quitting, or if he'll just try that much harder to mask it. Kind of sad really, but not as bad as an ice addiction.
In regards to Cushing, I agree with the AP, but I also feel that it's likely he has been doing this since HS. I wonder if he is even capable of quitting, or if he'll just try that much harder to mask it. Kind of sad really, but not as bad as an ice addiction.
Ole Miss Texan
Hall of Fame
Totally off subject but my girlfriend seems to be addicted to eating ice. Anyone ever heard of that one? She said she never did it until she met me, now she can't stop. And the funny thing is she either gets lite ice or no ice in her drinks when we go out...then halfway thru the meal, she'll ask the waiter for a glass of ice, then takes her spoon and eats it all. I keep telling her it's bad for her teeth, but she says she can't stop. I know y'all think I'm being funny, but I'm not. Is that an actual addiction, because she swears she can't stop.
In regards to Cushing, I agree with the AP, but I also feel that it's likely he has been doing this since HS. I wonder if he is even capable of quitting, or if he'll just try that much harder to mask it. Kind of sad really, but not as bad as an ice addiction.
I use to work with a lady that crunched ice all day. Her doctor told her she was anemic and that was the reason.
HOU-TEX
Ah, Football!
Totally off subject but my girlfriend seems to be addicted to eating ice. Anyone ever heard of that one? She said she never did it until she met me, now she can't stop. And the funny thing is she either gets lite ice or no ice in her drinks when we go out...then halfway thru the meal, she'll ask the waiter for a glass of ice, then takes her spoon and eats it all. I keep telling her it's bad for her teeth, but she says she can't stop. I know y'all think I'm being funny, but I'm not. Is that an actual addiction, because she swears she can't stop.
In regards to Cushing, I agree with the AP, but I also feel that it's likely he has been doing this since HS. I wonder if he is even capable of quitting, or if he'll just try that much harder to mask it. Kind of sad really, but not as bad as an ice addiction.
Hmm, let's see here. A woman that has a craving for ice could be made out to be something positive for the Porkster. *wink, wink, nudge, nudge*
Totally off subject but my girlfriend seems to be addicted to eating ice. Anyone ever heard of that one? She said she never did it until she met me, now she can't stop. And the funny thing is she either gets lite ice or no ice in her drinks when we go out...then halfway thru the meal, she'll ask the waiter for a glass of ice, then takes her spoon and eats it all. I keep telling her it's bad for her teeth, but she says she can't stop. I know y'all think I'm being funny, but I'm not. Is that an actual addiction, because she swears she can't stop.
In regards to Cushing, I agree with the AP, but I also feel that it's likely he has been doing this since HS. I wonder if he is even capable of quitting, or if he'll just try that much harder to mask it. Kind of sad really, but not as bad as an ice addiction.
I think that most people have addictive personalities...I think most everyone is addicted to something, whether it be drugs, hobbies or food...
Porky
Hall of Fame
Hmmm, ok. I wonder if that could be it. I will bring it to her attention. She literally told me she felt compelled to eat ice and couldn't stop. Is there a 12 step ice eaters program around here anywhere.
Porky
Hall of Fame
sorry to hijack the thread, but I just checked and sure enough this is a real addiction. It's called Pagophagia, and can be caused by an iron or other mineral defiency among other things. Thanks all. I will bring this up to her.
Now back to your regularly scheduled Cushing thread.
Now back to your regularly scheduled Cushing thread.
HOU-TEX
Ah, Football!
See what happens when you go to Galveston. jk
Hmmm, ok. I wonder if that could be it. I will bring it to her attention. She literally told me she felt compelled to eat ice and couldn't stop. Is there a 12 step ice eaters program around here anywhere.
Yep..have her doc check her for anemia! Sounds like a place to start anyway.