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Cushing retains AP ROY after re-vote

BullNation4Life said:
yet they knew about Peppers in 02 and still voted for him...hypocrisy..
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According to Beaker, there were different rules then. Considering the public didn't know about the situation until after the season, I'm not sure what his point is, really.

Some people are justifying their opinion that Cushing should keep the award because Julius Peppers was able to keep his despite a four-game suspension in 2002. League rules involving steroids or banned substances have been updated since then. Now, if a player is notified of a positive test and is found guilty during a season, he is ineligible for any weekly awards, annual awards or selection to the Pro Bowl for that season.
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http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=clayton_john&id=5182686
 
disaacks3 said:
Let's try this simple explanation.

We're NOT happy Cushing was using a banned substance.

Were NOT happy Cushing will be lost for 4 games.

We ARE happy that (technically speaking), Cushing has won the DROY twice.

We ARE happy that the AP, trying to mount this particular high-horse for the first time in their existence, had it blow up in their faces. All the feigned indignity on the part of a few pompous AP writers wasn't enough to outweigh the performance by Cushing.
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Rep.
 
HOU-TEX said:
According to Beaker, there were different rules then. Considering the public didn't know about the situation until after the season, I'm not sure what his point is, really.



http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=clayton_john&id=5182686
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from same article Although NFL rules don't apply to the AP vote,

DROY is an AP voted award. You left this part out....this is why the AP is being hypocritical. Peppers award was an AP award, NFL rules wouldn't have applied even if they were implemented back then.

the writer just contradicted himself...
 
this hole thing was dumb do u think Cush cares about the award he only cares about one thing winning SUper bowls
 
BullNation4Life said:
from same article Although NFL rules don't apply to the AP vote,

DROY is an AP voted award. You left this part out....this is why the AP is being hypocritical. Peppers award was an AP award, NFL rules wouldn't have applied even if they were implemented back then.

the writer just contradicted himself...
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I know the AP votes on it and I didn't leave anything out. I simply mentioned what Beaker was talking about. I reckon these assbags try to follow the rules supplied by the NFL. Personally, I don't care either way
 
HOU-TEX said:
I didn't leave anything out. I simply mentioned what Beaker was talking about. I reckon these assbags try to follow the rules supplied by the NFL. Personally, I don't care either way
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my bad man, I apologize, wasn't trying to ruffle your feathers. looking back I stated that wrong. here have one on me...:beer:
 
I'M DA 2-TIME, 2-TIME DEFENSIVE ROOKIE OF THA YEAR! NOW CAN YOU DIG THAT?


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SSSSSSSUUUUUUUCCCCCCKKKKKKAAAAAAAAAAAAA!
 
Woo!!!

This is the most national attention the Texans have got in a LONG time!

You just better come back strong Cush but I know you will!
 
And with that I will leave you guys with my thought when the whole re-vote thing came around:

"Sports writers are idiots."
 
Texecutioner said:
Got any proof like a failed test that Orakpo wasn't clean?? Or is this more of the 90% guys that you claim are juicing? There is nothing out there to suggest that Orakpo wasn't clean. Just because Cushing failed his test for PED's, it's pretty lame to start calling all of these other players out specifically for being dirty without any real evidence or facts that they did anything wrong like in Cushing's case.
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I'm not going to respond to this because, once again, you're putting words in my mouth and/or deliberately misinterpreting at least 3 different points.
 
wagonhed said:
I'm not going to respond to this because, once again, you're putting words in my mouth and/or deliberately misinterpreting at least 3 different points.
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What? Are you saying that you didn't not only accuse but state that Orakpo wasn't clean?? You also said that Mathews wasn't either. It seems like every time I ask you to clarify or to prove a statement you've said with some sort of facts or evidence you always come back and accuse me of misinterpreting you or putting words into your mouth.

Let me make sure I didn't make a mistake here.

You wrote:
There is real evidence that all three of Cushing, Matthews, and Orakpo were using. It's called visual evidence. No doubt in my mind, all three of those guys have juiced in the past couple years.

You Wrote:
I laugh at their foolishness, but I would have laughed just as hard had Orakpo won it and we could all pretend he was "clean". LOLLLLLLLLL


Now feel free to correct me, but that looks like you are flat out calling both Mathews and Orakpo a substance abuser, and all I've asked you to do is show me what you have other than your "visual evidence" radar that makes this true.
 
Edit: Also been posted in other thread:

Thomas George of AOL Fanhouse

I spoke with a dozen officials representing a dozen NFL teams on Thursday and did not find one person who thought Cushing should keep the award. I strongly suspect that, across the league, Cushing's peers feel even more strongly in this regard.

One NFL general manager, requesting anonymity, offered this scorching view: "We did our research on him before the draft last year and we concluded he was a chronic steroid user dating back to high school. More than a few people were surprised when he passed the steroid tests at the combine. I think the guy became a pro at masking it, until he was caught. I definitely would have taken my vote back on that award if I had one."
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http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2010/05/12/ap-voters-too-easy-on-cushing/
 
lollllllllllll, i freaking love this thread


It's funny how about 90% of the whiney blogs and threads on other message boards contain lies or misinformation. They all say "he tested positive for steroids" or "he tested positive for a steroid masking agent". Wrong! Fail! Hahahaha. As if people who can't even understand basic facts opinions matter!
 
Cushing you cheater. A coach/teacher at school had told me Green Tea is on the banned sunstances list for NFL players. Is this true?
 
gary said:
Cushing you cheater. A coach/teacher at school had told me Green Tea is on the banned sunstances list for NFL players. Is this true?
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Green tea is not a banned substance........it is a strong antioxidant, which serves no association with performance enhancement..........except that it might force you to brush your teeth harder to avoid them turning green.:spin:
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Green tea is not a banned substance........it is a strong antioxidant, which serves no association with performance enhancement..........except that it might force you to brush your teeth harder to avoid them turning green.:spin:
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I just wanted to ask and see. Thanks.
 
Tailgate said:
Edit: Also been posted in other thread:

Thomas George of AOL Fanhouse

I spoke with a dozen officials representing a dozen NFL teams on Thursday and did not find one person who thought Cushing should keep the award. I strongly suspect that, across the league, Cushing's peers feel even more strongly in this regard.

One NFL general manager, requesting anonymity, offered this scorching view: "We did our research on him before the draft last year and we concluded he was a chronic steroid user dating back to high school. More than a few people were surprised when he passed the steroid tests at the combine. I think the guy became a pro at masking it, until he was caught. I definitely would have taken my vote back on that award if I had one."
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http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2010/05/12/ap-voters-too-easy-on-cushing/
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Wow, if there is any truth to that statement, then that's frightening.
 
HoustonFrog said:
I'm very confused by the sentiments in this thread. It really makes no sense to me.

1) This doesn't take away the fact that he cheated so there is no reason to really celebrate

2) At least the AP gave him the award with more knowledge and it can be legitimized

It really leaves the situation the same. He screwed up and will miss 4 games.
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I agree. Brian Cushing cheated. Life as we know it should stop right now.

Now...


Ok, maybe now...

Ah hell, I guess there's still some life worth living.
 
Ckw5814 said:
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Freakin awesome! Look, I am pissed about what Cushing did. As far as we know though, he was clean throughout the season and only failed the one drug test.

He screwed up, he will serve his suspension, and he will come back ready to play as mean as ever.
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This is the thing for me. I was more worried about the 16 games (maybe 15) he will play after the suspension. Is he going to be that guy we saw making 133 takles 5 sacks, 4 ints.. or whatever it was... or was he going to be the shell that other players became.

I'm thinking if he was clean all year... and wasn't used to give him "an edge" on game day... I think he'll be closer to that beast we know & love.
 
I could care less about the Defensive Rookie of the Year award. I care more about the fact that he will miss the first four games. That hurts the Houston Texans. And that pisses me off.
 
thunderkyss said:
I agree. Brian Cushing cheated. Life as we know it should stop right now.

Now...


Ok, maybe now...

Ah hell, I guess there's still some life worth living.
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How is saying that Cushing still cheated insinuating that life is over as we know it? That is a stretch at best

This is a football forum and saying that (the fact that Cushing still cheated) is just acknowledging the obvious.


The saddest thing about this whole event is the amount of fans that have completely changed their stance on cheaters and PEDs in general JUST BECAUSE Brian Cushing is a Houston Texan.....it's the dirtiest thing about this whole situation. Imagine the backlash Chris Johnson would have on this board if he was the player in question right now. I can tell you right now...the people giving Cushing the benefit of the doubt and a pass wouldn't be doing so (especially after the season Chris Johnson just had) and would be absolutely killing the guy. That's called hypocrisy.
 
Carr Bombed said:
How is saying that Cushing still cheated insinuating that life is over as we know it? That is a stretch at best

This is a football forum and saying that (the fact that Cushing still cheated) is just acknowledging the obvious.


The saddest thing about this whole event is the amount of fans that have completely changed their stance on cheaters and PEDs in general JUST BECAUSE Brian Cushing is a Texan.....it's the dirtiest thing about this whole situation. Imagine the backlash Chris Johnson would have on this board if he was the player in question right now. I can tell you right now...the people giving Cushing the benefit of the doubt and a pass wouldn't be doing so (especially after the season he just had) and would be absolutely killing the guy. That's called hypocrisy.
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Yes, and we are quite good at it...
 
thunderkyss said:
I agree. Brian Cushing cheated. Life as we know it should stop right now.

Now...


Ok, maybe now...

Ah hell, I guess there's still some life worth living.
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It's alot easier if people just skip to page 3 and see the explanation..lol

Also, you're going over the top with my point. I just didn't think the vote was a reason to stick it to anyone since it was a very debatable subject....not too outlandish.:cowboy1:
 
Carr Bombed said:
The saddest thing about this whole event is the amount of fans that have completely changed their stance on cheaters and PEDs in general JUST BECAUSE Brian Cushing is a Texan.....it's the dirtiest thing about this whole situation. Imagine the backlash Chris Johnson would have on this board if he was the player in question right now. I can tell you right now...the people giving Cushing the benefit of the doubt and a pass wouldn't be doing so (especially after the season he just had) and would be absolutely killing the guy. That's called hypocrisy.
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I can't speak for anyone else here, but my stance on PEDs in the NFL is steadfast. I think that they should stop all testing, including for recreational drugs. I think PEDs are good for the game, I think the game wouldn't be nearly what it is without them, and I think the enforcement of their PED policy is based on lies, propaganda, and just bullshit in general.

Let the justice system do it's job and catch people doing illegal things if they can. The NFL knows PEDs are too important for the league to crack down on, their whole campaign is based on presenting a PC image to the media by pretending to have a hardline stance and "cracking down" on people that fail their laughable testing policy.

That has nothing to do with Brian Cushing and nothing to do with my own feelings towards steroids, or any other drug, for personal use.
 
HoustonFrog said:
That's pretty bad stuff if true.
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Same thing I said...

Carr Bombed said:
Wow, if there is any truth to that statement, then that's frightening.
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People that get addicted to steriods/HGH/PEDs....it's just as addicting as crack and any other kind of drug. (Not to mention you don't want a player/prospect on your team who's entire football career is directly tied to steriods/HGH/PEDs. I hope to god that Cushing hasn't been on that crap since high school, because if he has......THIS WON'T BE THE LAST TIME WE HEAR OF IT....and next time it won't just be a 4 game suspension.
 
Carr Bombed said:
Same thing I said...




People that get addicted to steriods/HGH/PEDs....it's just as addicting as crack and any other kind of drug. (Not to mention you don't want a player/prospect on your team who's entire football career is directly tied to steriods/HGH/PEDs. I hope to god that Cushing hasn't been on that crap since high school, because if he has......THIS WON'T BE THE LAST TIME WE HEAR OF IT....and next time it won't just be a 4 game suspension.
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Nope, if there is a next time, it will be at least an 8 game suspension.
 
wagonhed said:
I can't speak for anyone else here, but my stance on PEDs in the NFL is steadfast. I think that they should stop all testing, including for recreational drugs. I think PEDs are good for the game, I think the game wouldn't be nearly what it is without them, and I think the enforcement of their PED policy is based on lies, propaganda, and just bullshit in general.

Let the justice system do it's job and catch people doing illegal things if they can. The NFL knows PEDs are too important for the league to crack down on, their whole campaign is based on presenting a PC image to the media by pretending to have a hardline stance and "cracking down" on people that fail their laughable testing policy.

That has nothing to do with Brian Cushing and nothing to do with my own feelings towards steroids, or any other drug, for personal use.
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This league survived and thrived before cheaters and it would again if PEDs weren't involved in the game. Unlike you I don't think everybody is juicing.

PEDs don't make this league, they just distort the reality of it. If the league was really desperate for ratings all they would have to do is get rid of all the pussified rules that they've passed over the years. That would more then make up for "steroids".
 
wagonhed said:
Seriously now... is this your personal medical opinion? Because I know that that statement has no basis in fact.
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Umm, really you might want to do some research on that. Maybe not as addictive as crack, but still HIGHLY ADDICTIVE (especially for someone who used them as long as this GM tries to indicate). It becomes like someone who has a eating disorder and "can't get skinny enough". If Cushing has been taking roids since high school like that GM tries to suggest, he's most likely....addicted, sorry.

Steroids ARE ADDICTING, especially if you've been taking them that long....that isn't even debatable.
 
wagonhed said:
I can't speak for anyone else here, but my stance on PEDs in the NFL is steadfast. I think that they should stop all testing, including for recreational drugs. I think PEDs are good for the game, I think the game wouldn't be nearly what it is without them, and I think the enforcement of their PED policy is based on lies, propaganda, and just bullshit in general.

Let the justice system do it's job and catch people doing illegal things if they can. The NFL knows PEDs are too important for the league to crack down on, their whole campaign is based on presenting a PC image to the media by pretending to have a hardline stance and "cracking down" on people that fail their laughable testing policy.
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I think the NFL should stop suspending players who rape or beat women, kill dogs, or commit vehicular homicide. Let the justice system do it's job and catch people doing illegal things...if they can. The best players need to be on the field when they aren't in jail. We fans want the best possible product on the field, regardless of who is doing the producing. Trying to present a "PC" image is laughable. It's not like they are trying to attract families or corporate sponsors.
 
Carr Bombed said:
This league survived and thrived before cheaters and it would again if PEDs weren't involved in the game. Unlike you I don't think everybody is juicing.

PEDs don't make this league, they just distort the reality of it. If the league was really desperate for ratings all they would have to do is get rid of all the pussified rules that they've passed over the years. That would more then make up for "steroids".
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Not in this day and age, it wouldn't survive. Many people would stop watching football when they started noticing that those incredible athletes weren't so incredible anymore and started to look more like your average dude at the gym. The entire image of athletes in this country, probably the world, is distorted by steroids and other PEDs. Magazine covers, all the different sports, people at the gym. PEDs of one stripe or another are behind most or all of that.

And keep putting words in my mouth, it really helps your case. Yeah, I think everyone in the NFL is juicing. Man, you burned me hard!!

I never said the league was desperate for ratings. And if you think PEDs distort the reality of the league, well, you must think the reality of the league is the NFL from the 60s. PEDs are reality, dude. That's life. Nothing you or I or anyone else can do about it. The huge guys at the gym, the huge guys on the magazine covers, the huge guys in sports. P E Ds. I've been in the military where I knew tons of guys that used, I've known college players that knew tons of guys that used, I know guys who used with many of their friends in high school, and I know more guys at the gym that use than anything else.

I'm not the one ignoring reality here.
 
Carr Bombed said:
Umm, really you might want to do some research on that. Maybe not as addictive as crack, but still HIGHLY ADDICTIVE (especially for someone who used them as long as this GM tries to indicate). It becomes like someone who has a eating disorder and "can't get skinny enough". If Cushing has been taking roids since high school like that GM tries to suggest, he's most likely....addicted, sorry.

Steroids ARE ADDICTING, especially if you've been taking them that long....that isn't even debatable.
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Nice back pedal.

I think it's very debatable. Where does this addiction you claim is so palpable come from? Is it chemical or mental?
 
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