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Cushing retains AP ROY after re-vote
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BullNation4Life
All Pro
yet did this same debate come up when Julius Peppers was busted and suspended the last 4 games, and STILL won?
The AP shot their mouth off and backed themselves into a hypocritical corner...
Brando
Hall of Fame
HoustonFrog
Dallas Frog
Yeah GP, that is what I said just above. At least its legitimate. I just think this whole thing was a worthy debate...at least interesting so I don't have animosity towards writers for an opinion. Though there are many blowhards that take it way too seriously.
Not really the same. He won with the writers having full knowledge of the situation. He missed 4 games and they gave it to him. All they did here was revote with the same info.
Imatexanfan
Hall of Fame
Look, the spirit of drug testing is to catch cheaters, fertility drugs are not PEDs. They do not in any way provide anywhere near the boost to qualify as such. This is pure BS. Cushing shouldn't even be suspended for this. Totally ridiculous. Too bad he's not a Colt or a Patriot. If he had been, this whole incident never would have even been reported and that is a fact...
GP
Go Texans!
Yep. I agree.
GP
Go Texans!
Those writers are way into themselves.
They can keep players out of the MLB HOF if they want to. Ask Pete Rose!
So today was a bit of pleasantry to see the recall efforts fall short.
I actually expected Cushing to win by an even smaller margin than he did, which is good to know 18 are staying true to their vote. Good for them.
eriadoc
Texan-American
Look, the spirit of drug testing is to catch cheaters, fertility drugs are not PEDs. They do not in any way provide anywhere near the boost to qualify as such. This is pure BS. Cushing shouldn't even be suspended for this. Totally ridiculous. Too bad he's not a Colt or a Patriot. If he had been, this whole incident never would have even been reported and that is a fact...
Yeah, that's false. Go read all of CloakNNNDaggers' posts on the subject.
GP
Go Texans!
LOL. Rep for most succinct post of the day.
C
Ckw
Guest
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Freakin awesome! Look, I am pissed about what Cushing did. As far as we know though, he was clean throughout the season and only failed the one drug test. But the fact is the "re-vote" was asinine, and it was simply the AP trying to make the news. Cushing deserved the award and 18 voters were smart enough to realize that. He screwed up, he will serve his suspension, and he will come back ready to play as mean as ever.
Freakin awesome! Look, I am pissed about what Cushing did. As far as we know though, he was clean throughout the season and only failed the one drug test. But the fact is the "re-vote" was asinine, and it was simply the AP trying to make the news. Cushing deserved the award and 18 voters were smart enough to realize that. He screwed up, he will serve his suspension, and he will come back ready to play as mean as ever.
GuerillaBlack
Hall of Fame
What are you trying to say? That we shouldn't be glad that one of our players won the award again, and should instead had hoped that he didn't win the award? Don't get it. And we all know he'll miss four games, no need to put that on repeat in all of your posts about this thing.
See, real Texans fans know the deal. Rep to you BIG TORO.
BullNation4Life
All Pro
I'm sorry, what? So there are degrees of cheating now? The AP knew what Cushing was busted for before this stupid revote and still went through with it. Had they not known, then they are even dumber for making such a knee jerk reaction and trying to make an example out of Cushing.
Banned substance is a banned substance, if you punish one and revoke an award, better do it to all or leave it the hell alone. They avoided a hypocritical nightmare...
BigTimeTexanFan
Rookie
IMO, the AP comes off looking like idiots. Calling a re-vote as quickly as they did smelled like a knee-jerk reaction that didn't even seem to have the support of the majority of the voters, and now Cushing STILL won.
I think they may have set a precedent that could bite them in the a** in the future. The whole reason they were calling for a re-vote was because "some" voters would not have voted for Cush had they known about the positive test. The only reason this happened was because he won in such a landslide.
Now there are three players next time:
Player A receives 21 votes
Player B recieves 20 votes
Player C receives 9 votes, however, reports come out after the award that this player tested positive for PED's during the season (ala the Cushing case)
Will the AP call for a re-vote? Even though Player C didn't win, those voters might have voted for someone else had they known.
So potentially, player A could lose his award even though he did nothing wrong because some of player C's votes went to player B after a re-vote.
Talk about a cluster @#$%
I think they may have set a precedent that could bite them in the a** in the future. The whole reason they were calling for a re-vote was because "some" voters would not have voted for Cush had they known about the positive test. The only reason this happened was because he won in such a landslide.
Now there are three players next time:
Player A receives 21 votes
Player B recieves 20 votes
Player C receives 9 votes, however, reports come out after the award that this player tested positive for PED's during the season (ala the Cushing case)
Will the AP call for a re-vote? Even though Player C didn't win, those voters might have voted for someone else had they known.
So potentially, player A could lose his award even though he did nothing wrong because some of player C's votes went to player B after a re-vote.
Talk about a cluster @#$%
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HoustonFrog
Dallas Frog
You didn't get it. You are saying the situations were the same like the AP was stupid. They voted for Peppers to win with full knowledge of his misdeeds. I just said the revote wasn't a bad thing because it legitimized Cushings with the AP writers having the same knowledge.
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GuerillaBlack
Hall of Fame
I see what you're saying, but they said Cushing didn't deserve the award because "he cheated". Then why the hell did Peppers and Merriman both keep their awards? They shouldn't have even been on the ballot if they cheated.
HoustonFrog
Dallas Frog
Again, I'm not saying they were right to treat the situations differently. They just stayed consistent in final outcomes with the same knowledge.
BullNation4Life
All Pro
Oh no I got it and it made even less sense the 2nd time. What they wanted to do was make an example of Cushing and it didn't happen. Had it happened, it would have been a very hypocritical stance the AP would have taken. This came out Monday night about the revote, by Tuesday 2:00pm they knew what Cushing was busted for, probably even sooner, so why go through the revote? Because they backed themselves in a corner trying to make a statement...
wagonhed
Team Gruden
Anyone that changed their vote because they assumed that Cushing is taking steroids and the others aren't is full of ****.
Cush tested for hCG, not steroids. There is real evidence that all three of Cushing, Matthews, and Orakpo were using. It's called visual evidence. No doubt in my mind, all three of those guys have juiced in the past couple years.
If you want to "consider all the evidence" and then make an "educated guess" about who is using steroids, all of them fail! Yeah, with Cushing it is just a little bit more probable, but not much. The AP, and the media in general, and most fans, just want to sensationalize and inflate the NFL drug testing program while ignoring what is obvious to anyone paying attention - people in the NFL use PEDs!
I laugh at their foolishness, but I would have laughed just as hard had Orakpo won it and we could all pretend he was "clean". LOLLLLLLLLL.
Watch this and tell me this guy is clean.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGUc3UL64f0
Cush tested for hCG, not steroids. There is real evidence that all three of Cushing, Matthews, and Orakpo were using. It's called visual evidence. No doubt in my mind, all three of those guys have juiced in the past couple years.
If you want to "consider all the evidence" and then make an "educated guess" about who is using steroids, all of them fail! Yeah, with Cushing it is just a little bit more probable, but not much. The AP, and the media in general, and most fans, just want to sensationalize and inflate the NFL drug testing program while ignoring what is obvious to anyone paying attention - people in the NFL use PEDs!
I laugh at their foolishness, but I would have laughed just as hard had Orakpo won it and we could all pretend he was "clean". LOLLLLLLLLL.
Watch this and tell me this guy is clean.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGUc3UL64f0
False Start
On # 69
This made my day! 
Take that Donte Whitner!
Take that Donte Whitner!
HoustonFrog
Dallas Frog
You really don't get it and I'm starting to think you just want to argue or bait. What doesn't make sense? Peppers won DROY in 2002 when he was suspended 4 games. They voted it to him despite being busted. The AP never claimed they wanted to punish Cushing, they only said they wanted to revote. So they revoted with, just like Peppers, the info that Cushing got busted. He still won. Just because King and some other loudmouths wanted it taken away doesn't mean that others felt the same way. In the end Peppers and Cushing still get awards and the AP ends up awarding both with knowledge of the busts. Done.
ChampionTexan
Hall of Fame
So if it boils down to not an issue of "eligibility" for the award, but simply the lack of knowledge, if next week it turns out that Green Bay discloses that Clay Matthews Jr. played the last 4 games of the season (and the postseason) with a severe injury, and some AP writer decides that if he or she had known about that, Matthews would have gotten their vote, but since the Packers violated NFL policy and didn't disclose it, they didn't know, would anybody in the world expect them to revote on that?
The bottom line on this was that the award was for the 2009 season. Cush was eligible for 16 of 16 games during the season. Every tackle, interception, sack etc. will be a permanent part of his resume. Given that the suspension is a 2010 event, and the award is a 2009 award, I just think it was an exercise in futility to do the revote. Perhaps paradoxically, the only thing that I view as ridiculous as the revote itself is the fact that they allowed themselves such a limited amount of time to do it.
MannyFresh
El Capitan
Yankee_In_TX
Dance Lindsay!
I was only going to be offended if they stripped the title because of giving awards to other players who got popped.
I think a re-vote is a VERY slippery slope, but I was ok as long as he kept the title.
Ole Miss Texan
Hall of Fame
What would have made this REALLY funny is if Jarius Byrd would have won the revote and then next week a report surfaces that he failed a drug test last December, testing positive for Marijuana.
So they have another revote and Clay Matthews wins, then a report surfaces that he tested positive for PEDs.
So they have another revote and Brian Orakpo wins, then a report surfaces that he tested positive for PEDs.
AP =
So they have another revote and Clay Matthews wins, then a report surfaces that he tested positive for PEDs.
So they have another revote and Brian Orakpo wins, then a report surfaces that he tested positive for PEDs.
AP =
Ole Miss Texan
Hall of Fame
YES! Please post the results!!!
HoustonFrog
Dallas Frog
Not even in the same ballpark in scenario #1. The player is at issue in Cushing's, not the team and how they handled something. I also never said that the AP was doing the right thing. I said it was a good debate and in the end it legitimizes the award. They got to vote with full knowledge. I understand he is being punished this year (that is a whole different debate on NFL policy and why it took so long) but I think, in the end, you have a case where people can't sit there and ***** about whether he would have received the award if they had known.
BullNation4Life
All Pro
The AP wanted to make an example out of Cushing. Why the revote when you knew the circumstances? Had Cushing lost this time around, the AP would be even more asinine than they already are. I get that they knew about Peppers before hand and still voted, but a cheat is a cheat, right? Isn't that the sole reason behind the revote? They knew before the revote that what Cushing took was not a steroid, so why go through with the vote again and risk a different outcome?
The AP mounted their high horse before finding out all the details and had to go through with it.
ChampionTexan
Hall of Fame
And I never said the debate wasn't worth having - just that the revote never should have happened.
Yankee in Texas used the term "slippery slope", and I think that's perfect - this time it was an after the fact suspension - who knows what the next thing some AP hack may think is worthy of a revote.
Maris/Ruth, and Bonds/Aaron are worthy of debate, but that doesn't mean I believe MLB should consider taking away home-runs or reinstate the asterick next to Maris's stats.
GuerillaBlack
Hall of Fame
This made my day!
Take that Donte Whitner!
Whitner: "there needs to be a re-vote of the DROY award! My man Byrd should have won it the first time, and now it's clear that he should have."
*re-vote happens...Cushing wins again*
Whitner: "Cushing won...again??? Damn! And I still play for the Bills.*
HoustonFrog
Dallas Frog
You are all over the place here. A cheat is a cheat. What does it matter if they knew it wasn't a steroid or not? It is a mask for steroids. They could vote through yesterday. Even without specifics they knew he was getting 4 games for failing. They voted last year with no knowledge. You ask why revote?Because it lets them decide, like with Peppers, with full knowledge that both guys cheated either during a season or in preparation for that season.
I just never believed it would get that slippery. Even if he loses, which would have pissed people off here, it still only sets a future precedent that they need to vote with full knowledge of suspensions. Even if it looks bad they then have their own bar set.
Is this the same AP that votes for the football hall of fame? If so, they have sucked for years.
eriadoc
Texan-American
Uhhh, steroids are bad ... mmmmmkay?
BIG TORO
TERADACTYL #23
Now I understant what you were trying to tell me earlier.
markn
All Pro
Couple of points:
1. The MAJORITY of people who voted for Cushing first time around switched their votes. Without wanting to kill the luv-fest going on in here, this means based on the test results most voters think he's an undeserving cheat.
2. As TC said in her blog, this rushed re-vote is an embarressment to the AP. In their rush to judgement, they increased the likelihood of BC retaining the award. Given a bit of time I think those that objected to Cushing's cheating may have marshalled their votes to a common player thus ensuring BC did not win.
An embarassing mess in which no one wins.
1. The MAJORITY of people who voted for Cushing first time around switched their votes. Without wanting to kill the luv-fest going on in here, this means based on the test results most voters think he's an undeserving cheat.
2. As TC said in her blog, this rushed re-vote is an embarressment to the AP. In their rush to judgement, they increased the likelihood of BC retaining the award. Given a bit of time I think those that objected to Cushing's cheating may have marshalled their votes to a common player thus ensuring BC did not win.
An embarassing mess in which no one wins.
wagonhed
Team Gruden
Ah, collusion in a voting process among the AP, aka cheating, in order to make sure the cheater Brian Cushing doesn't win.
The irony is delicious.
markn
All Pro
I wouldn't put it past them to have done something like that - As I said, no one wins, the AP look like a disorganized lynch-mob and Cushing is a cheat who could cost the Texans a playoff shot by his actions. Happy days.
Texan_Bill
Hall of Fame
I kid.....
drewmar74
disgruntled
BullNation4Life
All Pro
I kid.....
could have been worse, could have been a hanging chad....
The1ApplePie
Hall of Fame
Cushing: "DROTY! **** yeah! Seat at the table! Seat at the table!"
Car windows are head-butted in glory.
Yes, I know I used this lame Latimer "joke" before
Car windows are head-butted in glory.
Yes, I know I used this lame Latimer "joke" before
GuerillaBlack
Hall of Fame
Would rep if I could! That was nice Texan_Bill.
BullNation4Life
All Pro
BIG TORO
TERADACTYL #23
I gottem for you.
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
Got any proof like a failed test that Orakpo wasn't clean?? Or is this more of the 90% guys that you claim are juicing? There is nothing out there to suggest that Orakpo wasn't clean. Just because Cushing failed his test for PED's, it's pretty lame to start calling all of these other players out specifically for being dirty without any real evidence or facts that they did anything wrong like in Cushing's case.
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Let's try this simple explanation.
We're NOT happy Cushing was using a banned substance.
Were NOT happy Cushing will be lost for 4 games.
We ARE happy that (technically speaking), Cushing has won the DROY twice.
We ARE happy that the AP, trying to mount this particular high-horse for the first time in their existence, had it blow up in their faces. All the feigned indignity on the part of a few pompous AP writers wasn't enough to outweigh the performance by Cushing.