Mahomes had a very good vet QB, Alex Smith, in front of him. Stroud is the best QB on the team, day 1.And yet Mahomes sat for his entire rookie season after the Chiefs gave up significant draft capital to move up for him.
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Mahomes had a very good vet QB, Alex Smith, in front of him. Stroud is the best QB on the team, day 1.And yet Mahomes sat for his entire rookie season after the Chiefs gave up significant draft capital to move up for him.
Mahomes had a very good vet QB, Alex Smith, in front of him. Stroud is the best QB on the team, day 1.
I think immediate starter will be determined during/after pre-season. We have to see how well Stroud operates the Texans offense and how quickly he adapts to NFL speed. It is possible that Mills will start the first handful of games until Stroud is unleashed fully. Also need to see how far our O-Line is progressing and make sure they can protect our fancy new toy under center first.I mean, Mills was the best QB on the team last year. I doubt that is Steel's criteria for saying Day 1 productive starter no excuses.
I don't get wrapped up in @steelbtexan 's criteria. I'll know if Stroud is productive or not.I mean, Mills was the best QB on the team last year. I doubt that is Steel's criteria for saying Day 1 productive starter no excuses.
I don't get wrapped up in @steelbtexan 's criteria. I'll know if Stroud is productive or not.
I think immediate starter will be determined during/after pre-season. We have to see how well Stroud operates the Texans offense and how quickly he adapts to NFL speed. It is possible that Mills will start the first handful of games until Stroud is unleashed fully. Also need to see how far our O-Line is progressing and make sure they can protect our fancy new toy under center first.
Once Mills starts missing those sideline throws DeMeco will put in Stroud. Probably in the second half of the first game.
Yep, when he holds up a trophy while wearing his ring in a parade, I will know he was the right pick. I'm not going to hold my breath.
There have only been two QB's drafted in the last 10 or so years that have won a Super Bowl. Mahomes and Foles.
What you are trying to say is that he isn't Mahomes. And the Texans should have been more aggressive about trading up in 2017 for Mahomes. So the entire narrative moving forward is really about Mahomes, or the failure of not landing him, not whomever the Texans may have as a QB.
This isn't about Mahomes
This is about trying to win a championship with a top 10-15 QB rather than a top 5 QB. Stroud has the least amount of god given ability of the 4 starting QB's in their division.
Think about that for a minute.
I've thought about it, and it means nothing to me. I believe Stroud will be the 2nd best QB in division in short order. I look forward to the Stroud/Lawrence rivalry over the next several years.Stroud has the least amount of god given ability of the 4 starting QB's in their division.
Think about that for a minute.
This isn't about Mahomes
This is about trying to win a championship with a top 10-15 QB rather than a top 5 QB. Stroud has the least amount of god given ability of the 4 starting QB's in their division.
Think about that for a minute.
He will correct himself and start throwing at his receivers feet. LolOnce Mills starts missing those sideline throws DeMeco will put in Stroud. Probably in the second half of the first game.
Is this just your opinion? I do not agree that Stroud has less god given talent than Levis or Richardson. I would almost put him on par with Lawrence, however, need to see how much Stroud can improve over a years' time frame.
Or are we speaking of Mahomes' divison? If we are I agree with you. However Wilson is on the decline, and in a year or two it is every bit possible that Stroud can be as good as Hebert.
Did you watch the combine? Does Stroud have a stronger arm than Richardson or Levis? Is he faster or more mobile than them?
Hence he's the 4th best athlete playing QB in the NFC South. There's really no debating this with you.
I've thought about it, and it means nothing to me. I believe Stroud will be the 2nd best QB in division in short order. I look forward to the Stroud/Lawrence rivalry over the next several years.
I was writing a response but then I realized you specifically said god-given ability and not talent, so you are crafting a conversation to meet your talking points. In other words, he is not an athletic specimen like Levis, Richardson or Lawrence. You're just going to move the critique topic to whatever you can. Have fun with that.
Lol. Does stronger arms and faster speeds equate to better QB's now? I don't remember the likes cannon armed JaMarcus Russel and Ryan Mallet being anything but busts. And the list of highly mobile QBs to win the SuperBowl is pretty limited.
I quoted you stating this it wasn't about Mahomes, it was about winning championships. Arm Strength and Speed does not win championships alone. Championships are won by QB's with leadership, capability, ability to learn, adapt and most importantly, their surrounding cast of teammates and coaches.
To claim that Stroud is a 10-15 level QB and allude to Levis and Richardson being above him in that respect is laughable.
The only thing I do agree with your statement is that there is in fact no debating with me on this. Firstly he doesn't play in the NFC South, and secondly a blind man wouldn't rank him below two of the 3 QB's fielded by the other AFCS teams....unless of course he just likes to hear himself talk.
Which QB stands to improve his game more within the next 5 yrs? I realize you're the win now impulsive fan guy, while I like thinking long term.
Which QB stands to improve his game more within the next 5 yrs? I realize you're the win now impulsive fan guy, while I like thinking long term.
Out of all the QB's in the AFCS, the QB with this highest ceiling would be Richardson. Do I believe he will reach his potential? Nope...less than 15% chance of that happening.
And no, you have me all wrong. I would have preferred building the team first and gambling for a QB in 2024. Stroud also wasn't my choice if we had to take a QB this season. I would have gambled on Richardson due to his upside (swing for the fences), but I am definitely ok with the safe pick. If we can build a strong unit Stroud will be fine.
And in the line of thinking long term, Richardson may have the highest capability of the 4 QB's, but I also think he has the highest chances of not being around in 2 to 3 years, much like Malik Willis. I cannot fault the Texans for going the best of the safe routes, and drafting Stroud.
So you're not trying to win a championship in the next 5 years? How many years of a rebuild are you planning on while allowing your QB to develop? It's been three already.
The safe route in this circumstance is a darn good QB. I see you and I both selected good on this poll as well. Can he win a championship? I think it is likely he wins us one before any of the other AFCS QBs win their team one.Going the safe route and being impatient are McNair family traditions. Gotta put butts in the seats 1st and foremost. At least now guys like Cak cant say well if you dont like what their doing then tuff because there's a season ticket holder waiting list. LMAO
The safe route in this circumstance is a darn good QB. I see you and I both selected good on this poll as well. Can he win a championship? I think it is likely he wins us one before any of the other AFCS QBs win their team one.
Why do I believe this? I have faith in our coaching staff.
I do not disagree with you. However now we have a "good enough" QB until it comes time for Strouds follow up contract. At that time, hopefully our front office can do their due diligence before handing out a dumb contract to him aka Watson. If a better QB is available to us at that time (or already acquired and on the depth chart), then roll with it.I think his ceiling is limited to a top 10-15 QB, which is good. Good is what the Texans have been at their best since their inception. The opportunity to build a dynasty was there, but they settled for good enough.
Levis sitting behind Tannehill is in the best position.Out of all the QB's in the AFCS, the QB with this highest ceiling would be Richardson. Do I believe he will reach his potential? Nope...less than 15% chance of that happening.
DeMeco should be able to contend with a top 10-15 QB. Like a Garoppolo.I think his ceiling is limited to a top 10-15 QB, which is good.
I think his ceiling is limited to a top 10-15 QB, which is good. Good is what the Texans have been at their best since their inception. The opportunity to build a dynasty was there, but they settled for good enough.
I think Stroud can be a top 10-15 qb.
I believe Richardson and Levis are more talented and have a greater upside. Stroud will most likely be the better QB next yr but not in 5 yrs
Yeah. I think you are disregarding the fact how accurate CJ Stroud is from multiple throwing trajectories.
Just because you have a bigger arm does not mean you are more talented.
AR is not a layered thrower and Will Levis is no where near as developed as Stroud from the pocket.
So how is there greater upside? Are those things just magically going to happen?
Why do the Ravens fail to win with Lamar Jackson in the playoffs? Can't throw the ball well enough. I put AR in a similar category.
I was thinking like this until I applied deeper thinking. there is no guarantees that the next class will be better. Injuries happen, the Ridder-effect is real and un-foreseen events will happen between now and next April. And you delay any possibility of that championship at least another year while your current stars are growing older and more expensive. I don't want to AJ/Watt any more playersPersonally, I wouldn't have drafted a QB high this yr and would've drafted the 2024 higher upside class.
You spent the past year saying Mills could be a good QB, but surely you have to agree that Stroud is better in every category.
Literally every category, even performance under pressure.
And I'm not pointing fingers when it comes to Mills. I was right there with you being wrong af about Mills prospects as a starter.
I get what you're saying and even if they took he chance and weren't able to draft Williams/Maye. McCarthy/Sanders would've been on the board for them to pick. Point is a top 10 pick would've been good enough to draft a QB next yr, particularly having an extra 1st next yr. But Cal shockingly couldn't stay patient. SMHI was thinking like this until I applied deeper thinking. there is no guarantees that the next class will be better. Injuries happen, the Ridder-effect is real and un-foreseen events will happen between now and next April. And you delay any possibility of that championship at least another year while your current stars are growing older and more expensive. I don't want to AJ/Watt any more players
DeMeco should be able to contend with a top 10-15 QB. Like a Garoppolo.
I do not disagree with you. However now we have a "good enough" QB until it comes time for Strouds follow up contract. At that time, hopefully our front office can do their due diligence before handing out a dumb contract to him aka Watson. If a better QB is available to us at that time (or already acquired and on the depth chart), then roll with it.
As it stands, Cal has righted a sinking ship. We now have the ability to float. Lets see is Stroud can provide the wind in our sails, or if he instead lights the deck on fire.
I'm just hoping for an AFCCG appearance. That's a contender.Yep, how many championships has Jimmy G won? And you know that I like Jimmy G more than I like Stroud.
That would be a 1st.I'm just hoping for an AFCCG appearance. That's a contender.
So these 4 are all future top 5 qbs?I get what you're saying and even if they took he chance and weren't able to draft Williams/Maye. McCarthy/Sanders would've been on the board for them to pick. Point is a top 10 pick would've been good enough to draft a QB next yr, particularly having an extra 1st next yr. But Cal shockingly couldn't stay patient. SMH
You know that you used smart in the same post as you used Cal's name. I would use the term used car salesman to describe Cal. But I cant blame him, he learned this from his dad. I still remember a time on this MB where posters said Bob was a hands off owner, meanwhile Bob was on the NFL finance committee. Yep, the McNair's keep a close eye on the money and will do whatever it takes to revive the golden goose/keep it alive and well. The Stroud pick helps in regards to their ultimate goal.
Barking up the wrong tree there bud. His mind is made up.Yeah. I think you are disregarding the fact how accurate CJ Stroud is from multiple throwing trajectories.
Just because you have a bigger arm does not mean you are more talented.
AR is not a layered thrower and Will Levis is no where near as developed as Stroud from the pocket.
So how is there greater upside? Are those things just magically going to happen?
Why do the Ravens fail to win with Lamar Jackson in the playoffs? Can't throw the ball well enough. I put AR in a similar category.
Is this Savage vs Watson redux?
Mills having the same weapons may make him marginally better but I’m not holding my breath.
Just a nitpick but he did start 1 game his rookie year.
The Chiefs had Alex Smith, a solid veteran QB, at the helm. With all respect to him, Case isn't Smith, and don't even mention Mills. The Texans will have to either start CJ right away, or put him in after a few games.
Looks like CJ, Richardson, and Young will all start right away. Levis and Hooker will probably sit a year.
We’ll see in camp just like with Watson who the superior QB is, I don’t think it’ll even be close.