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Case Keenum to start Sunday

WolverineFan said:
No, he's not. That's become abundantly clear over the past few years.

The only reason he's making changes now is because his back is up against the wall and it gives him some time to fend off the 'firing' talk.
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He could've stuck with Yates.

So IMO, this is progress.

As sorry as kubiak has been as a head coach, it is possible for people to grow/learn on the job so his past decisions don't always have to be linked with his present or future decisions.

It's a good indicator, but certainly not the final word.

Starting case over TJ is a bold move. It's an un-kubiak type and I think this's clearly a sign of desperation or change. I hope it works out for him so he'll be more willing to step out on that ledge more in the future.

This one move doesn't mean kubiak is a new man, but it can be a start to him being more willing to not always go with the status quo.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Some nice words by Kubiak.



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So this means after only one day of sharing snaps with TJ their minds were made up...things that make you go hmmmm....

Is TJ that bad? Case that good? Or Kubiak looking for a life line? Or something else?

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So is Kubiak going to do the unthinkable and alter or tweak his game plan to minimize the chances of keenum screwing up?
 
TexansBull said:
So this means after only one day of sharing snaps with TJ their minds were made up...things that make you go hmmmm....

Is TJ that bad? Case that good? Or Kubiak looking for a life line? Or something else?

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Honestly, Kubiak knew ever since last game when Yates threw those two picks, that Keenum would be starting this week.
 
IlliniJen said:
Guys, what if Case Keenum is actually good and accidentally saves Kubiak's job?

GOD. NO.
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Simple. It was in spite of Kubiak, not because of him. Of course, if Case stinks it up then it's solely down to the play calling and Kubiak not having him 'prepared'.

WOW! This game is easy! I love being a message board GM...
 
Uncle Rico said:
I wonder how much input McNair had on the decision? Like did he say something like "start Keenum or else"?

At least the game on Sunday became must watch TV again.
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Judging by the reactions, maybe the it was the Texans marketing department. They would have waited he s home game though...
 
Double Barrel said:
However, on the flip side, perhaps the perceived predictability...
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The fact is it's pretty easy to call the play after it's over. Opposing defences have said many times one of the hardest elements of facing Houston's offence is there are so many permutations from the same look. More importantly, if these 'experts' can predict our plays so easily then they're missing out on a fat paycheck from an NFL team...

:mariopalm:
 
The1ApplePie said:
Makes me wonder if this is Elway and Tebow all over again.
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:mariopalm:

except you know Kubiak CHOSE to pick up keenum. tebow was a pre-Elway decision that Elway wanted gone. no correlation at all except you've read too many Denver-Houston links over the last few years

anyway congrats to case. didn't think he'd get the start tbh but im very excited to see how he plays and hope he does well. the offence was regressing under schaub so hope he provides the spark to get us back to the 09/10 big play offence. his mobility and unpredictability should make for an exciting sunday.
 
How piss off will everybody be if Case helps win the game and Schaub starts after the bye? It will be a meltdown. Apocalyptic I say...

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WolverineFan said:
No, he's not. That's become abundantly clear over the past few years.

The only reason he's making changes now is because his back is up against the wall and it gives him some time to fend off the 'firing' talk.
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Agreed.

One move - going to his third string quarterback because his starter is injured - isn't going to magically elevate Kubiak from his seven years of incredible averageness
 
TexansBull said:
How piss off will everybody be if Case helps win the game and Schaub starts after the bye? It will be a meltdown. Apocalyptic I say...

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If Matt is ready after the bye Case would have to have one hell of a game to keep Matt from going back in
 
There is a difference between predicting plays and knowing tendencies.

If you know that a team likes to run a certain play in a certain situation and you know that the qb likes to throw here when x happens that allows you to get a jump on things.

Every player isn't aware enough for that though. But there are a lot that are. There are also coaches that will point these tendencies out to players.

So when you are out there on the field you don't know what's coming. You may have a good idea though. But if you are guessing and a team breaks tendency you could get beat big time.

On the Richard Sherman pick he knew Schaub was going to force it or take a sack. He knew Schaub wasn't going to evade the free rusher and find the deep man behind him. So he took a calculated risk based off of tendency.

But that's a tendency not likely to be broken since Schaub is Schaub.
 
eriadoc said:
So I wonder how many of our posters here are, in their heart of hearts, rooting for Keenum to fail, so they can be validated. People hate being wrong on things they are vested in. I have no idea why they're vested in Keenum's failure, but you can tell from the vitriol around here by a few that they are.

Hope he plays well, hope the Texans win, and hope he beats out the competition in camp next year. I can tell you that I'll be back on the edge of my seat this week, unlike the last seven quarters of football.
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Not everyone is like that. I firmly believed that giving Kubiak an extension after 2010 was a mistake, and even had to deal with friends taunting me about it. Now that it appears that I was right, that doesn't make me happy. That makes me frustrated, because this is my team and it upsets me that we're still behind when we could have been settling in with a new coach.

If you're a reasonable, mature sports fan, winning and success should come before any kind of validation.
 
Double Barrel said:
Why are folks second guessing Kubiak's playcalling?
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Because people have difficulty discerning the difference between the play call & the QBs decision.

On 3rd & 8 if the QB throws to the 5 yard route, they think it was a bad play call.
 
Double Barrel said:
I understand that perspective.

However, on the flip side, perhaps the perceived predictability was due to the limitations imposed by the QB.



Schaub has tended to telegraph his reads. We see it in the replays where he's locked onto his receiver and never looks away. I am positive that this was the case with at least two of his pick 6's this year.

Heck, even the announcers point out wide open receivers that never got looked at.

Personnel often dictate gameplan. Not having a QB that can even escape the breath of pressure puts severe limitations on play calling.

BTW, I'm not letting Kubiak completely off the hook. It's ultimately ALL his responsibility as a head coach.

That being said, I do look forward to seeing what Case's skill-set can bring to the table with regards to calling plays.



YES! I'm not a Kubiak fan, but I would not have a problem if Keenum becomes his savior, even if it means saving his head coach's job.

I'm not ready for a rebuild. This season still has life left in it, dammit!! :kitten:
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And I'm not letting the players off the hook either. Schaub has played horrible, our o-line has played horrible.......

I just think a blueprint has been set on how to beat this team. Some of those INT were because the DB or safety or LB was sitting on the route and our QB threw the ball anyway. And good QB's are still walking all over us.

We need some adjustments to our thinking is all.


I don't think this season is over by a long shot!

The month of NOV looks very winnable and we can make serious strides against the Colts by beating them.
 
Thorn said:
A 2nd year rookie making his initial start against one of the best defenses in the league in a very loud and hostile stadium. What could go wrong? LOL
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This way if he torches the heck out of the Chiefs we'll know he can handle some of the other D's we'll face.

It's the best move we can make. You want to see what you have in Keenum before you go into next season. If he looks good enough this week he'll might very well be the starter for the rest of the season. Depending on how he does will tell the team a lot about where they need to look in the draft to get a QB. If he struggles most of the year I wouldn't be surprised with a 1st round QB. If he plays well, the offense starts scoring, and we win games then maybe we look for a 4th round QB.

I think at least 1 and maybe 2 of the QBs on the roster right now will be gone next year.
 
I don't see anything that says Kubiak is going to run anything but his system with keenum at QB. Schuab has been immobile outlier, but generally this version of the WCO has relied on QBs with at least average mobility. Keenum because of this may look like he is running some other play, but honestly, will probably not be doing anything "new."
 
2012Champs said:
If Matt is ready after the bye Case would have to have one hell of a game to keep Matt from going back in
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That's going to be the true test of where Kubiak is right now. If he is serious about turning it around, winning, and saving his job he'd have to keep Keenum in there if he plays well.

It's going to be interesting to see what kind of game plan. I hope we don't see what Vinny suggested and a heavy dose of 23. Well, I don't mind it because it could help us win, but I want to see what Keenum can do. I want him to take the training wheels off the ferrari and open it up. Don't give him the start and then handcuff him with 5 yard routes sprinkled into the 35 runs by Foster and Tate.
 
TexanBacker93 said:
This way if he torches the heck out of the Chiefs we'll know he can handle some of the other D's we'll face.

It's the best move we can make. You want to see what you have in Keenum before you go into next season. If he looks good enough this week he'll might very well be the starter for the rest of the season. Depending on how he does will tell the team a lot about where they need to look in the draft to get a QB. If he struggles most of the year I wouldn't be surprised with a 1st round QB. If he plays well, the offense starts scoring, and we win games then maybe we look for a 4th round QB.

I think at least 1 and maybe 2 of the QBs on the roster right now will be gone next year.
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I guess my humor isn't always recognizable. I am a HUGE Keenum fan. But you and others that have said pretty much the same thing are right. This Sunday we find out if our 3rd QB is going to make it. Because we've already seen the 1st two aren't. Schaub is outlived his stay in Houston, TJ isn't going to be a starter. All that's left is to check out Keenum so we'll know where to draft a QB next year.

That said, GO KEENUM!
 
sandmanx said:
I almost fell out of my chair when I heard it. I just turned 610 on when it was announced. I wonder if this may have been pushed forward by Bob, as I don't see Kubiak being able to make that decision on his own.
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I think you're begining to understand the way things work on Kirby.
 
thunderkyss said:
Because people have difficulty discerning the difference between the play call & the QBs decision.

On 3rd & 8 if the QB throws to the 5 yard route, they think it was a bad play call.
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Not all throws are designed to go past the sticks while in the air. Some are designed for the receiver to make a play and get some yards after catch. The best QB decision isnt always to throw past the first down marker.
 
Blake said:
Not all throws are designed to go past the sticks while in the air. Some are designed for the receiver to make a play and get some yards after catch. The best QB decision isnt always to throw past the first down marker.
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That's true. It also isn't the best QB decision to always throw short of the marker. That's when DBs start sitting on routes.
 
TexanBacker93 said:
It's going to be interesting to see what kind of game plan. I hope we don't see what Vinny suggested and a heavy dose of 23. Well, I don't mind it because it could help us win, but I want to see what Keenum can do. I want him to take the training wheels off the ferrari and open it up. Don't give him the start and then handcuff him with 5 yard routes sprinkled into the 35 runs by Foster and Tate.
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I don't know. But now running the pistol offense makes more sense, as if Kubiak was preparing for this all along.
 
ArlingtonTexan said:
I don't see anything that says Kubiak is going to run anything but his system with keenum at QB. Schuab has been immobile outlier, but generally this version of the WCO has relied on QBs with at least average mobility. Keenum because of this may look like he is running some other play, but honestly, will probably not be doing anything "new."
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Kubiak has talked several times about calling plays to the qb's strengths. He's still gong to run his offense, but even in pre season keenum worked with more multi receiver sets than we normally use.

With Yates last year kubiak called some designed qb runs.

I believe him when he says he makes tweaks based on guys skill sets.
 
Thorn said:
I guess my humor isn't always recognizable. I am a HUGE Keenum fan. But you and others that have said pretty much the same thing are right. This Sunday we find out if our 3rd QB is going to make it. Because we've already seen the 1st two aren't. Schaub is outlived his stay in Houston, TJ isn't going to be a starter. All that's left is to check out Keenum so we'll know where to draft a QB next year.

That said, GO KEENUM!
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I did see the humor. I think it's a great move. I'd rather start him now and see how he handles the environment than give him a start against St. Mercy's school for blind orphaned pussycats (aka Jacksonville) have him destroy them and then be blindsided against the Broncos, Patriots, or Colts. The best rise up when the challenges are tougher. Look what Brady did against the suddenly good Saints D in the waning minutes last week.

I dislike Kubiak with a venomous passion, but if Keenum saves his job and salvages this season I'm good with it. I spent too many years watching the postseason wishing we could be part of it. The last 2 years have given us just a taste and I don't want to miss it again.

edit: I don't dislike Kubiak the person. I just don't like him as the head coach. He's a very good man from what I have seen and the one time I've had a chance to meet him.
 
DBCooper said:
I think that if our coaches stop being so predictable we can beat anyone.

I feel that the NFL has figured Wade and Gary out. They know how to scheme against us and our coaches aren't responding.

I want some off the wall play calling so that our guys aren't fighting an uphill battle because of non adjustments.

So, no, not in spite of Kubiak and Co, I think with some imagination our coaches can turn this around.
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Maybe we'll finally see this offense run to its full potential .... and people will stop blaming the coaches and start blaming the players for their inadequacies and mistakes. Hell I don't think they would stop even if they won a :trophy:
 
Rey said:
Kubiak has talked several times about calling plays to the qb's strengths. He's still gong to run his offense, but even in pre season keenum worked with more multi receiver sets than we normally use.

With Yates last year kubiak called some designed qb runs.

I believe him when he says he makes tweaks based on guys skill sets.
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How limited do you think he has been with Schaub under center ?! :smiliepalm:
 
Corrosion said:
Maybe we'll finally see this offense run to its full potential .... and people will stop blaming the coaches and start blaming the players for their inadequacies and mistakes. Hell I don't think they would stop even if they won a :trophy:
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Hey, if Kubiak wins a Super Bowl with the Texans, he can go 0-16 the next year, and I won't mind. I'll give him some slack.
 
Rey said:
Kubiak has talked several times about calling plays to the qb's strengths. He's still gong to run his offense, but even in pre season keenum worked with more multi receiver sets than we normally use.

With Yates last year kubiak called some designed qb runs.

I believe him when he says he makes tweaks based on guys skill sets.
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One thing I liked with Yates as the starter was the 10 yard out route. Yates was actually pretty effective with that.

I'm not sure what throws will be to Keenum's strength, I never watched him in college, but I think that will help prevent the defense jumping the routes if we see different routes based on Keenum's strengths
 
ArlingtonTexan said:
I don't see anything that says Kubiak is going to run anything but his system with keenum at QB. Schuab has been immobile outlier, but generally this version of the WCO has relied on QBs with at least average mobility. Keenum because of this may look like he is running some other play, but honestly, will probably not be doing anything "new."
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Well, regardless of what you think of it, it would be kind of stupid to change the system that Case has been learning and practicing under since 2012 OTA's. I don't think anybody realistically expects that.

However to say there are components of that system that we haven't seen for awhile, and that cater to what Gary and Rick D. perceive as Case's strengths is a completely realistic expectation. I would hope the play calling - and therefore the outward appearance of the system - change considerably based on attempting to exploit those strengths.
 
So, when Schaub gets healthy and gets his job back, how will this board react?

This isn't some passing of the torch (yet).

This isn't Kaepernick or Romo, a backup that was groomed to be a starter.
 
When does the injury report come out? I'm half expecting the Texans to announce that Schaub is done for the season, or at least an extended period of time.
 
michaelm said:
When does the injury report come out? I'm half expecting the Texans to announce that Schaub is done for the season, or at least an extended period of time.
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They could be withholding until after Sunday. If Keenum plays well enough to warrant another chance then I wouldn't be surprised if Schaub is shelved for the year. It saves Keenum having to be looking over his shoulder. Well, he'd be looking over one (at Yates), but not both.
 
I don't think kubiak will be calling anything different with case that he wouldn't call with Schaub...still expect a heavy dose of Arian/Tate....but if case can just make enough plays to keep extending drives....maybe punch a few in for TD's...I think we can come out with the victory.....as long as the defense and ST's don't crap the bed...the difference ultimately will be how case consistently handles it when the heat is on.

the play action boot stuff has been dead not b/c Schaub can't run but b/c teams know its a tendency of kubiak's playcalling....so he shyed away from it completely.

There's a reason 3 of the 5 pick 6's came off of throws to the TE's and why 98% of all our passing TD's are to the damn TE's...

If he's gonna do this spark thinghe needs to go all out and think outside his conservative box.
 
michaelm said:
When does the injury report come out? I'm half expecting the Texans to announce that Schaub is done for the season, or at least an extended period of time.
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Espn radio just had a dr on and said he thought Schaub would be ready in a week or so. He didn't think there was any structural damage based on Matts activity since Sunday
 
2012Champs said:
Espn radio just had a dr on and said he thought Schaub would be ready in a week or so. He didn't think there was any structural damage based on Matts activity since Sunday
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IF Keenum has a good day and we win, I don't think Kubiak will have a choice in the matter even if Schuab is ready.
 
Corrosion said:
How limited do you think he has been with Schaub under center ?! :smiliepalm:
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Very limited

What bothers me is that Gary would rather be limited with Schaub than giving Case a try. It took injury for Case to get his chance.

I'm very interested to see how Case does against a very good K.C. defense. I think we all know what Schaub would've done, so this is addition by subtraction. IMHO
 
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