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Case Keenum to start Sunday
- Thread starter TheMatrix31
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Find any video of Brady or Manning folding this season like Schaub has done at least twice this year.
Surreal McCoy
Rookie
Give either one of them Derek Newton or Wade Smith and they'll fold like a house of cards.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Good lord, Manning has done it a bunch of times just against the Texans, several with Mario just running up and touching him on the ground.
chicagotexan2
Easterby = Little Finger/Cal = Fredo Corleone
No Its called extending the play. Manning and Brady have a knack for feeling the pas rush and side stepping or moving up in the pocket, whereas Schaub sees an oncoming defender and he collapses a jenga tower.
TdotTexas2Step
Rookie
Exactly. Anyone who's watched the Texans play for the last few years and are being truly genuine and honest with themselves knows the difference between what Schaub does and what Brady/Manning does.
Schaub goes down even when the rusher is still a fair amount of steps away. Brady and Manning will go down at the very last possible second.
chicagotexan2
Easterby = Little Finger/Cal = Fredo Corleone
The one QB I see stepping up in the pocket on a regular basis is drew Brees. I know Schaub can do it since he did against the redskins on a game winning td to Andre but for often than not when the pressure is on Schaub takes a dive or retreats and back pedals so far back that there is no hope of making a positive play.
I agree that all qb's will go fetal...however, Schaub has gone fetal this year at times when the pocket just gets a little tight.
There's a difference between going down when a guy has a free run at you vs going down when there is still some life in the play.
Schaub hasn't done a good job of sliding in the pocket and getting his eyes back down field to make throws.
burro
probably drunk
This is really good news. I've been a Schaub sun-shine pumper, but I can't put into words how stoked I am to see Keenum get a chance. If he's successful, it could be the story of the year: "Hometown Hero pulls Texans' Season From the Fire" - and I'm not even a UH fan.
As to why Keenum is getting the start, it's probably because Kubiak is feeling the pressure to make a change - and knows sending TJ out there and using it as an excuse wasn't going to cut it. However, Keenum playing poorly might buy him another excuse since Keenum will have far more rope with Uncle Bob than TJ or Schaub does now. Only time will tell, but for now I'm hopeless drunk on the koolaid. Give em hell, Case!
As to why Keenum is getting the start, it's probably because Kubiak is feeling the pressure to make a change - and knows sending TJ out there and using it as an excuse wasn't going to cut it. However, Keenum playing poorly might buy him another excuse since Keenum will have far more rope with Uncle Bob than TJ or Schaub does now. Only time will tell, but for now I'm hopeless drunk on the koolaid. Give em hell, Case!
Texan_Bill
Hall of Fame
Good Lord, Manning will fold like a cheap beach chair when really pressured.
That said, he will stand in the pocket to the very last minute before going "fetal" like one "HWSNBN" that we all once used to know.
Seegara
Guitar Picker, Dog Lover, Woodworker
I'm thinking along with you that the coach may have been pressured from above. I'm thrilled, and it has nothing to do with the fact that I took my doctorate from U H; that was before Case played for them. It would be just as nice if we could start Johnny Football.
I think the reason is simple - Schaub is hurt and we know what we have in Yates .... Keenum on the other hand is a complete unknown.
Starting Keenum at this point isn't even a gamble .... its win or .... at least we tried.
utahmark
markbeth
When has Bob ever showed any signs of getting involved in coaching decisions? Lately Gary is doing a lot of things that deserve to be criticized but the hate from some on this board is laughable.
STEEL BLUE TEXANS
Hall of Fame
Pretty sure the Broncos are missing 3 of their starting offensive linemen including both tackles.
False Start
On # 69
I will actually watch this game now just to see what Case does. I was gonna skip this game, and that would have made two weeks in a row. Whether he comes out and kicks ass or falls short, is to be be seen. At least its some kind enthusiasm for me to tune in.
SAMURAITEXAN
All Pro
it must suck to always be a day behind all the news
Yep, but I will take it with news like this.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Neither am I. This [quote below] is all I needed to hear. Kubiak will allow Case to play within the system the way the entire system was meant to be played with the right QB..........utilizing not some, but all the facets of the system..........i.e., a mix which includes finesse, deceit, creativity and openness..........the latter two of which we have not seen because of the limitations of the QB.
burro
probably drunk
Kubiak has a fetish for the known, TJ would still be starting if it were just about Schaub being hurt. Naming Keenum the starter (especially this soon after he started splitting first string reps in practice) is a big deal given Kubiak's history. Either he feels the pressure or Keenum was an unstoppable beast in practice. I hope it's the latter, but it's probably the former.
STEEL BLUE TEXANS
Hall of Fame
Yeah , I don't think Kubiak gets a fair shake around here .... Sure he makes some mistakes but this season he's been handcuffed. I don't think there is anything he can do to make some people happy.
Even starting Yates or Keenum two weeks ago wouldn't have made much difference ..... if either had failed , everyone would say he started the wrong one - That may happen anyway & Keenum may make us wish Schaub was back under center throwing TD's to the other team. (I hope that isn't the result we get)
I was watching the Bronco's a couple weeks back and they had a clock on Manning , he got the ball out in 1.2 seconds on several occasions. If that pass is accurate , its almost impossible to defend against .... So much of Manning's success is determined pre-snap.
TexansSeminole
Hall of Fame
As opposed to having a fetish for the unknown? Who wants their coach to regularly trust unknown commodities?
dream_team
Hall of Fame
Sorry, I don't have a video library of all the games this season. But just doing a quick search on youtube, I found these of Manning. I couldn't find any of Brady real quick on youtube.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8ptzy11RZs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0fqyML_Oeo
burro
probably drunk
It's not black and white like that. Kubiak has stuck with plenty of known quantities long after their expiration dates, long after any other coach would have taken a flyer on the unknown.
TexansSeminole
Hall of Fame
Like who? Joe Marciano and who else? He's made changes to the defensive coordinator a few times, running backs, offensive lineman, wide receivers, etc.
Come On Breh
Waterboy
i called all this.
the splitting 1st team reps in practice, and giving yourself a chance to decide who to start.
i called all this.
& what happens to me?
i get effectively banned and my voice silenced.
you mods should be ashamed of yourselves.
the splitting 1st team reps in practice, and giving yourself a chance to decide who to start.
i called all this.
& what happens to me?
i get effectively banned and my voice silenced.
you mods should be ashamed of yourselves.
burro
probably drunk
Chris Brown, Steve Slaton, Ephraim Salaam, Kasey Studdard in 2009, Jacoby Jones, Kris Brown, Matt Turk, Amobi Okoye, Richard Smith and Frank Bush (both of whom were past their expiration midway through the season), and yes Marciano...just to name a few.
TexansSeminole
Hall of Fame
We didn't have anyone outside of Chris Brown to play. You can't hand the ball off to air. Slaton was productive until injury. Salaam was the best option we had. Studdard didn't really hurt us ever, he just took up a roster spot. Okoye was held on to until it made sense financially to get rid of him. Jacoby had clear ability and still does. Richard Smith and Frank Bush were prompty fired after they proved they couldn't cut it. The coach plays the best players on his roster, it's the GM's job to upgrade that roster. Seems your issue is with the GM, which also doesn't make sense because we have upgraded literally every single one of those positions.
I hope that's not the reason we're starting Keenum.
I hope we're starting Keenum because the future is now. Back in the preseason QB "competition" thread I stated my belief was that we were on a course to the Super Bowl. Schaub isn't special, but he was good enough to win a Super Bowl. If for whatever reason he got hurt, Tj was going to be able to step in, help us through a few games, then Schaub was going to come back & finish it. Worst case scenario, Schaub & Tj got hurt & the team rally around Keenum and we're still competitive in the play-offs.
I felt there might be some truth to the Keenum is the future at QB for this team. That that was the reason we didn't bring any other QBs in this offseason. That the plan was to prepare him to start next season & continue our dominance of the AFC South.
Then we lost 4 in a row & Tj blew his opportunity. the future is now.
If Keenum wasn't projected to be our future at QB, & he's starting because he can't be any worse than the other guys, this is going to be a long season & not because we'll be playing in January.
SchaubApologist
Waterboy
gary didn't fire frank bush, bob mcnair did.
do you not remember chris brown and ron dayne drawing starts while arian was on the practice squad?
do you not remember kevin walter lined up as our WR2 for all those years?
do you not see derek newton getting abused game after game?
Need I go on??
This guy is a perfect example.
I'm very excited by this move. I give Kubiak all the credit. I think he truly believes in Keenum. That's why he made the roster. Keenum probably reminds Kubiak of himself. A gym rat, made-not-born QB.
Carr was forced on Kubiak by McNair. Schaub was in the league 3 years before Kubiak traded for him. Yates and Keenum were Kubiak creations, and Yates has shown that he doesn't have what it takes to carry a team. He's shaky. Keenum is Kubiak's guy, and you could tell by the way he talked about him in preseason. How he challenged Keenum by going for it on 4th down.
Most everyone sees this game as a litmus test for Keenum. I see it for Kubiak. Everything in the playbook is on the table and he has a QB that is an extension of himself.
TexansSeminole
Hall of Fame
Show me some evidence that Bush was fired by McNair and it wasn't at all Kubiak.
Who should have played over Walter? Same goes for Newton now. You have to have better players in order to replace somebody. We tried to replace Newton with Harris, but he is equally as bad.
Also, who brought an undrafted Foster off of the practice squad and gave him carries at the end of the season? Who put their trust in him as an every down, pound it 20-something times per game back the year after?
I'm sorry, but that argument is flawed. People bitching just to ***** about something.
SchaubApologist
Waterboy
Kevin Bacon was not in Footloose.
Goatcheese
Texan
If Keenum doesn't embarass himself Sunday, this place is going to go nuts with Case fever. It's going to be exactly like that guy (what was his name?) that came in after Schaub got hurt and played out of this world (158 yards per game, 3 TDs 3 Ints 7.1 YPA in 5 games) and totally carried the Texans to their first playoff win.
What was that guy's name again? I can't remember. Man, whatever happened to that guy? Texanstalk was sure that he was the future and was finally going to run that Schaub bum out of town.
Was it Yates? That guy who played his first meaningful NFL action since the 2011-12 season and was instantly thrown under the bus by fans.
Ah texanstalk, you are a fickle bunch.
What was that guy's name again? I can't remember. Man, whatever happened to that guy? Texanstalk was sure that he was the future and was finally going to run that Schaub bum out of town.
Was it Yates? That guy who played his first meaningful NFL action since the 2011-12 season and was instantly thrown under the bus by fans.
Ah texanstalk, you are a fickle bunch.
SchaubApologist
Waterboy
I understand your position because your history is filled with defending Matt Schaub.
Keep it up!
burro
probably drunk
1) Nobody else to play...except for Arian Foster. I find it hard to believe that he didn't display enough talent and potential to be elevated to the active roster sooner than November 09, even harder to believe that he exhibited so little that Brown and Slaton were better options.
2) As a rookie in 2006, Winston would have been a better choice than Salaam who was mediocre on his good days and a liability on his bad days. If he were there to be a mentor, he could have done it from the sideline. Bringing him back on in 2009 to fill in during Brown's suspension was a major head scratcher when we could have given someone else some playing time. Classic case of Kubiak's loyalty problem. As for Studdard, I don't know what film you were watching but Studdard was a turnstile who couldn't run block to save his life - no way he should have been left in there for all 14 remaining games...he was also resigned in 2012 in another WTF moment, he has since been cut.
3) Okoye wasn't just on the roster, he was on the starting line. 11 sacks in 4 years. Benching him would have been fine to make it easier on the cap space, but Kubiak declined to do so. I think it's telling that he was gone the second Wade was hired as DC, 2+2 = Wade made that decision, not Kubiak.
4) Jones has clear ability...that didn't come out after 5 years and countless boneheaded mistakes as a Texan. It took blowing a winnable playoff game to finally get him out of here. He caught a TD pass in the SB, good for him. It doesn't change the fact that any other HC would have sent packing long before Kubes did.
5) Promptly fired after they proved they couldn't cut it? I'm pretty sure both of them were employed for an entire season. It was painfully clear that they were not NFL caliber (or even college caliber) mere weeks into their respective seasons. Bush especially, do you remember how dreadful 2010 was? A different HC doesn't hire them at all, most likely - another proof of Kubiak liking known quantities, though this is in a different sense.
6) I have mixed feeling about Rick Smith, he is a great talent scout and a bit lacking in contract management. Those being the two main functions of a GM, I don't see what he has to do with Kubiak's refusal to bench players who underperform, in some cases after several years of mediocre play.
Sal Rosenberg
Rookie
Cody Carlson?
I like the Keenum start.
I like the Keenum start.
Section516
Warrior
Times Square, NYC (first time, just got here from hobby. Thought it was cool.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Seems like an over the top statement since one of the top GMs in the league and the about to be SB winning coach looked at that film and decided to hire him and at nothing close to league minimum.
Firing just hired coordinators mid way through their first season is very rare. Smith was fired promptly. Your Bush history if off. His 1st year the D improved considerably then the second it cratered and he got fired. I understand complaining they should have hired more experienced people but not keeping them too long.
Bob, you can make that assertion? Can I have some tickets?
Not that its at all surprising but Dayne never played while Foster was on the roster. I know that stats and facts are meaningless in your own reality but it didn't happen. Again not that it's important but Brown didn't have that many carries that year. I think Moats was the primary back after Slaton went down and IIRC after Slaton went down Foster got more carries than anyone else on the team.
Did you know, he averaged almost 60 catches and 750 yards/season his first four years here? Did you also know that even when he started to decline we finished in the top 10 in offense the last 4 years he was here?
Do you have a genie in a bottle that is going to produce a magic OL that can start ahead of him?
If you must.
Mike
â¦The King of Houstonâ¦
Practice Squad
Hey texans fans, in honor of Case Keenum starting against KC, I tried to make an inspiring video with his preseason highlights. Hope you guys like it, go texans!
http://youtu.be/fPHHuqhIm-A
http://youtu.be/fPHHuqhIm-A
sandman
Brexit Advisor
A few posts being made about Kubiak throttling down Keenum with a "dink and dunk" approach, but remember the West Coast style that got him all those yards and TD's in college was more about the shorter routes with lots of YAC and not the long downfield throws. Several talking sports heads have pointed out the quick progression/release is his strength, not going downfield. If he comes in and destroys the KC defense, it will be because of excellent decisions and throws in the system. If he is successful, I doubt we get a Romo style gunslinger as much as we get Brady like precision*.
*Referring to style of play and not saying he is the next Brady
*Referring to style of play and not saying he is the next Brady
Scooter
Funky
♦The King of Houston♦;2232014 said:
not the song i would've chosen, but great video.
there are several plays in that video alone that schaub simply cant do. schaub cant sidestep in the pocket. he cant complete on the run or across his body, forget both at the same time. he cant lead routes. he cant outrun a defender (while still looking downfield). he cant drop in longer throws - the dime to jean is maybe the prettiest pass i've ever seen, 35 yard floater that should be a difficult over-the-shoulder catch hits him in stride so well jean could've caught it blindfolded.
i dont know if case will be anything more than wishful thinking, but the skills are most definitely there. these next few weeks could be very exciting.
No one will run Schaub out of town. He will do that himself. Schaub is not getting it done. And when that happens, they will replace you.
Remember, it's Kubiak that is making this move. Not the fans. If he felt that TJ gave the team "the best chance to win", Yates would be starting. What is going on here is not ricket science. A 2-4 team is on the brink with an underachieving, injured QB that will not be brought back in 2012 with a $10 million contract. There are 2 young QBs behind him. The Texans need to know if they have something to build on, or if they need to find someone in the offseason. Pretty simple, really.
I was at Robertson Stadium for all but two of Case's games as a Cougar. He is one of the smartest players I have seen play the game. I also watched Case on the sidelines when the defense had the ball; he does not just sit there passively, he is rallying his teammates and stays pumped up the entire time.
kingtexan
All Pro
Schaub has already done that himself, and I am not sure this was Kubiaks call, may have been McNairs.
houstonspartan
All Pro
Yeah, I don't buy the argument that McNair made Kubiak start Keenum. McNair does not operate that way. Yes, I'm sure the Monday meeting with Kubiak was probably tense, and McNair pressured Kubiak to fix this mess; but no way do I think McNair told him to start Keenum.
Lol Yates sat down as backup for the entirety of that following year. If he wouldn't been taken out his flow then maybe he would look a little better than he does now which would be better than Schaub lol. Case if he succeeds I know Schaub is out lol.
hookinreds
Veteran
While I find it hard to believe that McNair told him he had to do it, you also have to look at the decision to start Swearinger over Keo. After saying that he would wait until Sunday to decide on QB, and after saying Keo would be in there, we see a complete "UnKubiak like" move to put Keenum and Swearinger in. It's such a 180 from what we have always seen from Kubiak, it's strange. Did a light come on in his head, or was he "encouraged" by an outside influence? I think that's more of what people are trying to figure out...and natural assumption is that the guy footing the bill is behind it.