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Carson Wentz, My #1 QB going into 2015 college season

TexansSeminole said:
He played well in the bowl game, but no, I'm not all that interested. He looks like an average to below average pocket passer on the NFL level.
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I like him because he came through college in a pro-like offense instead of the spread. Taking the snap under center won't be foreign to him.
 
I think Prescott in the 2nd is a safer pick than some of the usual suspects in the first . He may even work his way into the first because he brings a lot to the table . He elevated his program , played at a high level against the best competition , has decent size , and a good accurate arm .

http://www.ourlads.com/nfl-draft/

Quarterbacks
1 Jared Goff California
2 Dak Prescott Mississippi State
3 Paxton Lynch Memphis
4 Kevin Hogan Stanford
5 Connor Cook Michigan State
6 Carson Wentz North Dakota State
7 Christian Hackenberg Penn State
8 Cardale Jones Ohio State
9 Cody Kessler USC
10 Brandon Allen Arkansas
 
Honoring Earl 34 said:
I think Prescott in the 2nd is a safer pick than some of the usual suspects in the first . He may even work his way into the first because he brings a lot to the table . He elevated his program , played at a high level against the best competition , has decent size , and a good accurate arm .

http://www.ourlads.com/nfl-draft/

Quarterbacks
1 Jared Goff California
2 Dak Prescott Mississippi State
3 Paxton Lynch Memphis
4 Kevin Hogan Stanford
5 Connor Cook Michigan State
6 Carson Wentz North Dakota State
7 Christian Hackenberg Penn State
8 Cardale Jones Ohio State
9 Cody Kessler USC
10 Brandon Allen Arkansas
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His numbers improved every year
 
Honoring Earl 34 said:
I think Prescott in the 2nd is a safer pick than some of the usual suspects in the first . He may even work his way into the first because he brings a lot to the table . He elevated his program , played at a high level against the best competition , has decent size , and a good accurate arm .
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But he doesn't really have an accurate arm. Sure, when he's throwing to stationary targets a few yards out in a spread one-look offense he can complete at a good clip, but when he's asked to hit moving diagonal targets or anticipate windows the ball's just as likely to come out sideways.
 
Taking an occasional snap from under center does not make the system "pro style".

It's still a spread concept with a lot of the same basic principles that Tebow ran at Florida.

They only started going under center this year because they lost a really good RB to the draft and have had trouble running the ball without a FB in the backfield.
 
Mollywhopper said:
But he doesn't really have an accurate arm. Sure, when he's throwing to stationary targets a few yards out in a spread one-look offense he can complete at a good clip, but when he's asked to hit moving diagonal targets or anticipate windows the ball's just as likely to come out sideways.
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I think the spread guys who run can correct some accuracy flaws by working on their footwork . That's an unknown but he brings other things to the table so he's got that going for him . I think the first thing that eliminates a guy is the speed of the game , is it to big for him , the second thing is accuracy . The Senior Bowl will tell a bunch about these guys .
 
Honoring Earl 34 said:
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I think the spread guys who run can correct some accuracy flaws by working on their footwork . That's an unknown but he brings other things to the table so he's got that going for him . I think the first thing that eliminates a guy is the speed of the game , is it to big for him , the second thing is accuracy . The Senior Bowl will tell a bunch about these guys .
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So the speed of the game that will be at light speed trying to adjust to pro concepts that he's almost completely unfamiliar with to go along with accuracy issues unless guys are wide open and standing still and this is a good 2nd rounder ...

Count me in as doubtful.
 
Mollywhopper said:
So the speed of the game that will be at light speed trying to adjust to pro concepts that he's almost completely unfamiliar with to go along with accuracy issues unless guys are wide open and standing still and this is a good 2nd rounder ...

Count me in as doubtful.
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I think a dog will hunt or it won't . You either have that ability or wet yourself . The biggest example there is Cam Newton who played in a spread . Now look at all them pass happy Florida , Oklahoma , and Miami teams back in the day with those all pro QBs .
 
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Accuracy may be a poor understanding of balk placement. He just may need the right person to explain what they expect.

Like Schaub. For whatever reason someone told him on deep balls it's easier for the receivers if he underthrows the ball. Which had worked for him, foe a while.
 
Mollywhopper said:
So the speed of the game that will be at light speed trying to adjust to pro concepts that he's almost completely unfamiliar with to go along with accuracy issues unless guys are wide open and standing still and this is a good 2nd rounder ...

Count me in as doubtful.
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That's why I would take him in the second and give him a year, maybe two, to make the adjustment.
Rodgers, who was drafted in the first, got three years.

you instant gratification folks kill me.
 
thunderkyss said:
Accuracy may be a poor understanding of balk placement. He just may need the right person to explain what they expect.

Like Schaub. For whatever reason someone told him on deep balls it's easier for the receivers if he underthrows the ball. Which had worked for him, foe a while.
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Until the DBs started playing 5 yards in front of receivers on deep balls .
 
bah007 said:
Taking an occasional snap from under center does not make the system "pro style".

It's still a spread concept with a lot of the same basic principles that Tebow ran at Florida.

They only started going under center this year because they lost a really good RB to the draft and have had trouble running the ball without a FB in the backfield.
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Agree, further explanation of why pro style O is different;, taking snap from center in a pro set sets up a 3 or 5 or 7 step drop by the QB. Also it can be a slow of fast drop with short or long steps. This is all predicated on a timing mechanism for the run and the pass game. For the run game it allows the O line time to make their designated blocks and for the RB to hit the designed hole at a precise time. For the pass game the timed step drop allows WR an exact time for the WR to run a specific route and for the QB to know exactly where the WR will be. To the option/spread QB this is all foreign to them. It is a steep learning curve and takes a good amount of time to become familiar and learn.
 
Another aspect of playing under center, on play fakes, to sell it, the QB has to take his eyes completely off the defense, turn his back to the defense. Then when he comes around, there's a lot of information he needs to analyze quickly & decide what to do with the ball.
 
ObsiWan said:
That's why I would take him in the second and give him a year, maybe two, to make the adjustment.
Rodgers, who was drafted in the first, got three years.

you instant gratification folks kill me.
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And you can do that with Prescott all you like, I'd rather look at a kid who's dealt with those concepts and been asked to make those throws already.

Who's asking for instant gratification? People inserting things that aren't there kill me.
 
thunderkyss said:
Another aspect of playing under center, on play fakes, to sell it, the QB has to take his eyes completely off the defense, turn his back to the defense. Then when he comes around, there's a lot of information he needs to analyze quickly & decide what to do with the ball.
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or he knows exactly where his WRs, TEs, RBs and check downs will be and knows where he will have to position the ball (without looking) because he's practiced the play so much and has timing down to the precision of a Swiss watch.
 
Texian said:
or he knows exactly where his WRs, TEs, RBs and check downs will be and knows where he will have to position the ball (without looking) because he's practiced the play so much and has timing down to the precision of a Swiss watch.
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Because the defense does exactly what the QBs expect them to do right?
 
thunderkyss said:
Because the defense does exactly what the QBs expect them to do right?
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For the most part yes, when the QB makes his pre snap reads he has good idea where he needs to go with the ball. Does it always work? No, not always but a good QB is successful more often than not. The pro set benefits the run game more because it allows the O Line time to set their blocks.
 
Texian said:
or he knows exactly where his WRs, TEs, RBs and check downs will be and knows where he will have to position the ball (without looking) because he's practiced the play so much and has timing down to the precision of a Swiss watch.
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And who is this magical college QB that has the timing of the pro game down already and inherently understands the tendencies of the WRs, TE, & RBs and the nuances of the offense run by the team he might be drafted by...??
It takes years in the same or similar offenses for a pro QB to get to the level you're asserting a rookie QB should be.
Unrealistic.

Look my point is all QBs coming out of college will need training.
The questions for me are:
Will he crumble in big games/crucial situations or will he step up and lead?
Will he devote himself to honing and polishing his craft, work extra time to get his timing "down to the precision of a Swiss watch", study NFL defenses so he knows when/where blitzes are coming from?
Can he make the necessary throws?
Does he have the "spidey sense" to feel when the pocket is crumbling and have wheels enough to evade the rush and maybe move the chains?

That other stuff can be learned. And must be learned on the job. Not all of them have the "want to" to get it done (see David Carr) when they come out.
From what I've read, Prescott does.
 
This needs a bump since Wentz is now starting.
NDSU vs. Jacksonville State
1/9/2016 11:00:00 AM (Saturday)
11 a.m.
Frisco, Texas
Game Coverage
Pregame Story
TV: ESPN2[/QUOTE]
 
Should be a great game. Wenzt or not, if any team can overthrow this dynasty it's this year's Jacksonville St team.

They have a ridiculous offense. Should be a great matchup against NDSU's strong defense.
 
dang..cannot believe I saw that on tv guide and did not connect..head cold messing me up. Anyway, 9:38 left in 2nd Q 17-0 NDS
 
Is it me or is he playing today vs Jacksonville St? Lighting them up right now 24-0 in 3Q.
 
He sets up in pocket like an NFL QB and seems to have a good arm but that last turn over looked bad
 
Wenz gets good play from his receivers but the ball seems to almost be right spot for the catch. Took a blow right there but not sure if that effected that missed pass in end zone
 
A QB fumble on a run and then a sloppy pass from Wenz to give ball right back. Then Bison intercept? Wow

Edit: well at least I am getting to see Wenz play
 
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