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Brock Osweiler agrees to 4 year 72 million
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Brock-n-Roll, Texans TD ...
Brock-n-Roll, Texans TD ...
I like the # 17 thingy.
No more Crazy 8's (Carr/Schaub) Wanna be #8 (Hoyer)
Texian
Hall of Fame
You're probably right about $37MM, I think Denver on offered $30MM.
My Brief thoughts, I subscribe to Parcel's, "You know what you got after 20 starts in the NFL". Osweller has 7. Lot's of questions, Osweiller surrounded by lots of talent, did talent make Osweiller? Osweiller had some success in WCO does that translate to O'Brien O? Need to see more. College, I am not a fan of College QB's coming out as a Junior, odds and history are against their success. (Yes I know there are anomalies) As Peyton said at his retirement, returning to Tenn for his Senior year was the best decision he ever made. Osweiller like David Carr had one good year in college and OS was OK. I thought he was just a guy at ASU.
So who would you prefer the Texans start at Qb in 2016
Thorn
Dirty Old Man
If Osweiller isn't The Guy, then OBs days are numbered.
So after all of that, you'd rather the Texans go all in on a rookie? Even when the current "all in" doesn't involve giving up draft picks? You're extremely close to getting a Facebook meme of Sam Elliott doing a "special kind of stupid".
Thorn is Captain Obvious!!! In case it wasn't obvious to everyone....
Texian
Hall of Fame
Let me put it this way, I would rather trade the equivalent of 3 first round picks for Wentz or Goff than lock yourself in to $72MM for 4 years for a benched QB who was just a guy in college. You get a much better QB and you only tie up $20MM for 4 years and not $72MM. Put me down as some kind of stupid if that will make you feel better.
Thorn
Dirty Old Man
I am not worthy of such a title in my present condition.
Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
So you can't subscribe to Osweiler because 7 games isn't enough to judge, but you're all in on Goff and Wentz who have 0 games.
amazing80
Hall of Fame
If I ranked them coming out, Goff, Brock, Wentz. I would rather load up on Brock who has NFL experience and hopefully structure his deal so he is expandable after 2 years then give up a butt load of picks on an equally risky player.
Texian
Hall of Fame
Parcels waited until after a QB had 20 starts before deciding on how good a QB might be. I subscribe to Parcels line of thinking if you don't mind.
Texian
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The difference here is I've a strong conviction that Wentz and Goff will be franchise QBs with several Pro Bowls along the way. Osweiller coming out of college wasn't close to having their resumes and was much more of a Paxton Lynch coming out of college. Yes, by all means, if you want to breakout the Kool-Aid, then Breakout the Kool-Aid.
We've had the 20 starts discussion. Everything I've ever read has been 32. Who am I to argue with Parcells'?
But you want to trade away multiple draft picks on someone with no NFL games? Circular-ish bad argument.
Texian
Hall of Fame
Osweller wasn't close to having Wentz or Goff type resume, more of a Paxton Lynch type with Lynch being more athletic.
Texian
Hall of Fame
Well it must be for you, so I guess we're done here!
OK. You're more of a gambler than I am. And, in my opinion, not as good at math as I am.
Apparently Elway thought a little more of him coming out of college than just a guy to take him in the second and groom behind his HoF QB who would be playing on a freshly surgically repaired neck.
And hey, I wanted all in on the Goff/Wentz-wagon too. Just sayin that this could be looked at as a legit effort given the likely options.
The more I looked at the draft, the more I realized how tough it was going to be to grab one of the top QBs. And I don't anyone (O'Brien included) thought either Kap or RG3 would be the answer. This was a bold move for a team that needed to make a bold move.
I was not a fan of Osweiler coming out of college. He was a late bloomer that looked like an awkward athlete. But, Osweiler was coached by some of the top guys in the game (Gase & Kubiak) and mentored by an all time great. He looked very solid in his 2016 half season. There's a lot of reason for optimism.
What I'm most happy about is that this franchise is no longer trying to blow smoke to the fans. I give Bob McNair credit for this. He laid down the law about acquiring a QB and didn't blink at the price tag. I hope some of his critics around here acknowledge this.
Put your statement in context. You'd be jacking off if the Texans got Lynch at 1.22 in this draft, Osweiler is equal to, or greater than, Lynch. All you've got is *****? Maybe you need to reevaluate yourself, moreso than the signing.
Showtime100
Got JJ?
Brock-n-Roll, Texans TD ...
You might have a great nickname for this offense if it takes off.
Nitrofish
Let The Big Fish Eat!
I stand corrected.
No, that was my point. He was the first one that came to my mind as average who won a SB.
And super human in closed practices!
Texian
Hall of Fame
You seem to put a lot confidence in Osweller's 7 NFL starts. His QB Rating 86.4 which ranks him #41 behind other great QBs such as Case Keenum, Geno Smith and Ryan Fitzpatrick. How do you like them apples? How's that math equation working out for you? Good Grief man, this is another Bill O'Brien and Rick Smith operation. What could possibly go wrong?
amazing80
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Not to mention Wentz had 1.5 good seasons. Lets not act like Goff and Wentz were 4 year starters who just dominated college football. They were great players for the period of time they played. Brock was no different. Goff is the best of the bunch, but the price tag to move up would have potentially crippled the franchise for 3 years if he didn't pan out. We would be the Browns even more than we are.
Brock is by far not a sure thing. He is as risky as the other three. the difference is, we keep our picks and can continue to improve our entire team while having a young gun slinger vs handcuffing ourselves to a qb with limited resources to help him out.
The Pencil Neck
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I just watched the Bengals/Broncos MNF matchup and at the end of that game, I thought Osweiler looked pretty good.
Texian
Hall of Fame
Peyton was over a year removed from his "freshly surgically repaired neck." He passed a physical before he was signed and Broncos knew what they had and were pleased. But hey if you want to spin, spin away baby...
Texian
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Wentz won TWO Natl Championships, had half a dozen fourth QB comebacks or Game Winning Drives on a BIG stage in the BRIGHT lights when it counted. Osweiller's best season he was 6-7. And if Osweiller tanks at $72 MM that's not going to set cripple the franchise? Wentz or Goff would only cost $20MM saving the franchise $50MM if they were all a bust. It must be Karaoke Wednesday, so spin baby spin and of course breakout the Kool-Aid.
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Calm down, I'm not spinning anything. He was cleared, but hadn't taken any physical contact yet and there was a realistic curiosity at how much punishment he could withstand. The fact that the great Elway was willing to pick Os when he did and put him behind Manning in a position to learn from and be at his ready speaks better than just a guy. Unless you really think Elway would put just a guy in that position. Now, if you'd like to go ahead and spin that those things weren't the case then knock yourself out.
CloakNNNdagger
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In the best related news yet!!!!
Ex-starter Brian Hoyer may emerge as trade chip for Texans
By Aaron Wilson
Published 5:29 pm, Wednesday, March 9, 2016
Now that the Texans have landed quarterback Brock Osweiler as their new starting quarterback on a blockbuster four-year $72 million deal, they have a looming decision that could involve potential trade scenarios for former starter Brian Hoyer.
Hoyer remains under contract as he enters the second year of a $10.5 million contract and is due a nonguaranteed $4 million base salary this season.
Hoyer, 30, could become a bargaining chip for a draft pick for a team that currently owns seven selections heading into the April draft. Several teams would be interested in acquiring Hoyer should he become available, according to NFL sources not authorized to speak publicly.
Should the Texans trade Hoyer, they could go with Tom Savage as the primary backup to Osweiler.
Ex-starter Brian Hoyer may emerge as trade chip for Texans
By Aaron Wilson
Published 5:29 pm, Wednesday, March 9, 2016
Now that the Texans have landed quarterback Brock Osweiler as their new starting quarterback on a blockbuster four-year $72 million deal, they have a looming decision that could involve potential trade scenarios for former starter Brian Hoyer.
Hoyer remains under contract as he enters the second year of a $10.5 million contract and is due a nonguaranteed $4 million base salary this season.
Hoyer, 30, could become a bargaining chip for a draft pick for a team that currently owns seven selections heading into the April draft. Several teams would be interested in acquiring Hoyer should he become available, according to NFL sources not authorized to speak publicly.
Should the Texans trade Hoyer, they could go with Tom Savage as the primary backup to Osweiler.
badboy
Hall of Fame
You are not stupid but others disagree that Wenz or Goff is better or do not want to give up what you are willing to get one or even if willing it might not be acceptable by other team. If you are right (and you certainly could be), why would a team accept three late firsts for that guy?
Texian
Hall of Fame
Peyton threw privately for Elawy on several occasions (Tenn, Duke and Denver) before a decision was reached. At the time Peyton was 36, planning for his replacement is basic common sense.
Throwing privately ain't withstanding collisions.
And like I said, I doubt that Elway would choose just a guy to be that replacement...
BigBull
Rookie
Please don't act like the talent Wentz faced is on the same level as what Osweiller faced in college. Wenz will be a bust.
Texansfan69
Noob
We at least have some idea of what Brock can do, albeit a small sample, the College Qb's are all graded high, but so were Ryan Leaf, J. Russell and Matt Lienart, J.P. Losman, Brady Quinn. so High grades from scouts do not always pan out, is Brock a full proof QB? Nope, but I do not believe he is in the category of these busts.
I don't understand why we're giving Texian such a hard time. He made it pretty clear that he thinks Wentz will be a true franchise QB. To him, this is the equivalent of choosing Ryan Leaf over Peyton Manning.
But it's his opinion. That's all.
If I were the Texans, I wouldn't have done it. No doubt in my mind Connor Cook is a true franchise QB.
But if we sat at 22 I'd have no way of knowing if the Texans feel the same way, or if they just took what was left. It makes a big difference to me. I believe the HC/OC has to believe 100% their guy is special for him to reach his potential.
Now, there's no doubt in my mind how the Texans feel about Brock Osweiler.
& we've got the only QB in the division that's ever beaten Tom Brady & the Patriots.
But it's his opinion. That's all.
If I were the Texans, I wouldn't have done it. No doubt in my mind Connor Cook is a true franchise QB.
But if we sat at 22 I'd have no way of knowing if the Texans feel the same way, or if they just took what was left. It makes a big difference to me. I believe the HC/OC has to believe 100% their guy is special for him to reach his potential.
Now, there's no doubt in my mind how the Texans feel about Brock Osweiler.
& we've got the only QB in the division that's ever beaten Tom Brady & the Patriots.
Heath Shuler
SPEED KILLS
You keep hammering this $72 million number; is that what your man McClain told you was guaranteed? Cause I'm under the impression it is about half that.
Texian
Hall of Fame
If Osweiller was better than Wentz or Goff he would've been a Top 3 draft pick, he went in RD 2. The Texans would have to offer the equivalent of 3 first RD draft picks to trade up in to the top 10. OR for a good comparison, see Atlanta Falcons trading up to draft Julio Jones.
Texian
Hall of Fame
$37MM GTD, is your Google broken?
Why don't you address in specifics with whom may be debating/arguing with Texian instead of coming to just some general defense as though we're all arguing the same idea. I stand by what I had to say.
Heath Shuler
SPEED KILLS
No, is yours? I'm not the one hammering the $72 million number.
Texian
Hall of Fame
That's what worries me, I have seen to many O'Brien Smith deals and almost all of them end badly.
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badboy
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I was just thinking, I'd be impressed if Smith could trade Hoyer for a draft pick and there you
are with this post. Wished Wilson had identified teams wanting Hoyer.
Texian
Hall of Fame
Some of us understand the $72MM number and some of us don't ...sorry. Hook up with DocBar, he says he's pretty good at math, may be he can help you.
badboy
Hall of Fame
but we are not comparing Os entry in the draft but Os now to those guys
speedfreek
All Pro
I would have waited to see what shakes out of the draft first. None
of the free agents strike me as worth the money. People had Lynch
potentially falling to us -- I've watched that guy play, he has just
as much potential as Os.
If McNair was up my ass about signing a vet, I would have gone after
someone like Chase Daniel, or tried to trade for a guy like Tolzien or
Garropolo. (someone that would have been much cheaper in terms
of picks and bucks..)
Osweiler needs to have 72 mil. of an upside, and honestly, after watching
him get benched for broken down Manning, I don't see where that upside
will come from..
Feels like we just spent Bugatti money on a Jetta GTI..
of the free agents strike me as worth the money. People had Lynch
potentially falling to us -- I've watched that guy play, he has just
as much potential as Os.
If McNair was up my ass about signing a vet, I would have gone after
someone like Chase Daniel, or tried to trade for a guy like Tolzien or
Garropolo. (someone that would have been much cheaper in terms
of picks and bucks..)
Osweiler needs to have 72 mil. of an upside, and honestly, after watching
him get benched for broken down Manning, I don't see where that upside
will come from..
Feels like we just spent Bugatti money on a Jetta GTI..
Texian
Hall of Fame
At the time, there was a question whether Peyton could throw a ball 20 yds and could he throw more than 25MPH. Contact was not an issue at the throwing sessions.
Heath Shuler
SPEED KILLS
Spoken like a true John McClain fan.
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