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Brock Osweiler agrees to 4 year 72 million

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JB said:
You would have to give up draft picks for Kaepernick and pay him 19 million... and his injury history
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We just agreed to pay $18 mil/yr to a guy with seven games under his belt vs. a guy who had been to two NFL championship games and a Superb Owl. Having those on his resume' makes him worth an extra one, even two, mil per year.
 
speedfreek said:
Having watched Osweiler, I just don't see the value there. It isn't my money, but it is the team I want
to see win. If he stinks, then we just blew a wad., and cap, and wasted 3 years thinking this guy
was a franchise guy.
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The same would be true if the Texans traded away a bunch of high draft picks and drafted a QB at 1.X. There is literally no difference in the gamble, except that there is film on Os playing against NFL teams. I value the draft picks (and the potential they have to fill holes all over the roster) much more than I do Mr. McNair's money. Regardless, it'll be three wasted years if the guy ends up being a bust.

I also value a QB who has learned the NFL game, and what it takes to be the consummate professional, at the knee of one of the greatest to ever play the game. I know...all of Tom Brady's back ups. I'm not saying Manning specifically taught Os anything. I'm saying that Os observed how Manning went about his business and prepared, week in and week out, to play QB at the highest level.
 
stingray said:
We signed a big tall guy that backed up and studied an NFL legend and learned the ins and outs of being an NFL qb. Where have I heard that before?
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ObsiWan said:
We just agreed to pay $18 mil/yr to a guy with seven games under his belt vs. a guy who had been to two NFL championship games and a Superb Owl. Having those on his resume' makes him worth an extra one, even two, mil per year.
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And draft picks?


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Double Barrel said:
ha! (totally about lighten up on McClain, not at your perspective) He gets paid for his opinions (unlike you, unlike me), has regular appearances on many radio shows for his 'expert' opinions (unlike you, unlike me), and is the NFLN's "go to" expert for all things Houston Texans (unlike you, unlike me).

And if he's a football fan, I have no doubt that he's a Titans fan first and foremost. The Texans is just a job to him.

He's got great war stores, though. I do enjoy it when he gets on a roll about Houston Oilers history and his experiences.
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Well as Nick Saban so eloquently pointed out, sportswriters get it right less than 20% of the time. Paid opinions can be as bad or good as non paid opinions. First and foremost, Sportswriters get paid for their journalist skills.
 
ObsiWan said:
We just agreed to pay $18 mil/yr to a guy with seven games under his belt vs. a guy who had been to two NFL championship games and a Superb Owl. Having those on his resume' makes him worth an extra one, even two, mil per year.
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The guy we just signed has been to 3 AFC championship games and 2 Superb Owl games and doesn't have the injury history
 
ObsiWan said:
We just agreed to pay $18 mil/yr to a guy with seven games under his belt vs. a guy who had been to two NFL championship games and a Superb Owl. Having those on his resume' makes him worth an extra one, even two, mil per year.
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If Elway doesn't want to pay you $18 million a year not sure I would want to either.
 
Say Watt said:
Has he even been used all that much? He's always had Dwyane Allen taking away all the red zone opportunities, and the Colts have never seemed to be a team that used the TE very much.
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As rookies, Dwayne Allen was clearly the #1 TE under Bruce Arians. Then Arians left for Arizona and Indy replaced him with Pep Hamilton, who was Fleener's OC at Stanford. Hamilton immediately made Fleener the #3 option in the passing game. He's spent his last 3 years being top 3 in targets and averaging just 6.9 yards per target. Hamilton got fired this year and Rod Chudzinski came in and immediately told Allen that he would be he #1 TE going forward (which is why Allen was re-signed for $7M per year this week).

It's just my opinion, but I think Fleener is a complete by product of playing with Luck in college and once he got the NFL he was a #2 TE. Then his old OC came in and elevated him over the other guy (who is a better player). Once his old OC got fired he was again the #2 TE. He's a JAG, IMO. I'd start Ryan Griffin over him for sure.
 
I'm really enjoying the wailing and gnashing of teeth on one side and the unicorns and rainbows on the other.

I've been trying real hard to stay logical, think of the team as a whole and not get too up or too down, either way.

My big deal with this whole QB situation has been cost. I'd love to have Goff or Wentz. I'm just not willing to pay the price, in draft picks, that it would cost to trade up and make the deal. I'm not 100% sold that either will be a top 10 QB at the NFL level. You could get the next Brady or the next J. Russell.

I'm very happy with the Osweiler deal precisely because all it does is spend Mr. McNair's money, and not all that much of it. If, after two years, Os isn't cutting it, he's history. Mr. McNair is $37 mil poorer, the Texans have all of their draft picks and Tom Savage has another year of experience. I like Savage's skill set and think he'll be a good NFL starter. This is still a gamble. I have no idea if Os wil be the next Brady or the next J. Russell. I just like the price tag more. I also think Os compares favorably to Goff and Wentz.
 
steelbtexan said:
This guy is on par with Jones. I still hope they upgrade in the draft.
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6'6" 315 is huge for center.
From 2012:
Position: OT
Conference: Pac12
School: Utah Runnin' Utes
Year/Status: Drafted
Jersey Number: #70
Height & Weight: 6'6 - 315 lbs.
Draft Prediction: Fourth Round
Drafted 3.32 in 2012 by OAK

2012 NFL Combine Results
40-YARD DASH 5.27
BENCH PRESS 32
VERTICAL JUMP 29.5
BROAD JUMP 8'5
THREE-CONE DRILL 7.95
20-YARD SHUTTLE 4.84
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http://fftoolbox.scout.com/nfl_draft/profile_display.cfm?prospect_id=3031


Although a tackle throughout his college career, Bergstrom was drafted as a guard by the Raiders. Current Assistant Offensive Line Coach and former All-Pro guard Steve Wisniewski has been credited with discovering Bergstrom. Wisniewski watched and interviewed Bergstrom at the 2012 Senior Bowl.[3] The Raiders believe Bergstrom's quickness will translate well into their new Zone blocking scheme, which favors smaller, fleet-footed linemen over bigger, more powerful linemen.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Bergstrom
 
Texian said:
If Elway doesn't want to pay you $18 million a year not sure I would want to either.
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He wanted to pay him 15 per year which is all their cap would allow. But if you want to be sour by all means that's your right. This shouldn't be a surprise to anyone that the contracts this year are really big. The cap went up a lot. Salaries follow. This move doesn't actually hamstring us but obviously hurts if he doesn't work out. Same with any player that doesn't work out. Fingers crossed that it does.
 
Texian said:
Well as Nick Saban so eloquently pointed out, sportswriters get it right less than 20% of the time. Paid opinions can be as bad or good as non paid opinions. First and foremost, Sportswriters get paid for their journalist skills.
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Gotcha'. I guess for me it's the sort of dismissive tone that I've heard McClain take toward fans that makes me less than a fan of his as a football analyst. Of course, some fans deserve it, but he often comes off as very arrogant. This morning he was so certain that he was right and anyone that disagreed with him was a twit. That's probably why he released a tweet about being an idiot. He knew the blowback from such a hard position would be coming.

Texian said:
If Elway doesn't want to pay you $18 million a year not sure I would want to either.
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I don't think Elway had $18 million to spend. I have no doubt, though, they that they really wanted to keep him. They drafted him and developed him for years, and he showed some promise this past season. They are probably gripping right now, especially if they are really considering Manziel or Kaep.
 
JB said:
The guy we just signed has been to 3 AFC championship games and 2 Superb Owl games and doesn't have the injury history
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Kaepernick started the games I referred to - not to mention all the games to get the team to those championship games.
How many post-season starts does Osweiler have in the seasons you referred to??
I'll need a link with his name in the box score.
:D
 
WolverineFan said:
Elway was fine paying him $15-16M per year though. At this point it's just semantics.
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Elway wasn't willing to compromise the future of the Bronco's, just as I wasn't to trade up and get Goff or Wentz. He was up against the cap at that price range and wisely folded. The Texans had a big chip advantage in this game of Texans Hold Em. Sometimes you just have to walk away from a deal.
 
Double Barrel said:
Gotcha'. I guess for me it's the sort of dismissive tone that I've heard McClain take toward fans that makes me less than a fan of his as a football analyst. Of course, some fans deserve it, but he often comes off as very arrogant. This morning he was so certain that he was right and anyone that disagreed with him was a twit. That's probably why he released a tweet about being an idiot. He knew the blowback from such a hard position would be coming.



I don't think Elway had $18 million to spend. I have no doubt, though, they that they really wanted to keep him. They drafted him and developed him for years, and he showed some promise this past season. They are probably gripping right now, especially if they are really considering Manziel or Kaep.
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May be it's the nature of beast and McNair's history but somehow someway I just get the feeling if Elway drafts or signs another QB, Denver will be the one that comes out smelling like a rose. If Elway needed another $2-$3 million to get it done I feel certain he could have found it. Just didn't want to mortgage the future to do it.
 
Texian said:
May be it's the nature of beast and McNair's history but somehow someway I just get the feeling if Elway drafts or signs another QB, Denver will be the one that comes out smelling like a rose.
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yeah, I can understand the perspective. Maybe this will be that nut the blind squirrel gets, 'eh?

It will be interesting to see how things go in Denver with Kubiak now working with Elway to find a QB.
 
ObsiWan said:
Kaepernick started the games I referred to - not to mention all the games to get the team to those championship games.
How many post-season starts does Osweiler have in the seasons you referred to??
I'll need a link with his name in the box score.
:D
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Granted your point is valid. How has Kaep looked in the past couple of years?
 
JB said:
Granted your point is valid. How has Kaep looked in the past couple of years?
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SF has been a train wreck, on the whole, since Harbaugh left. Kaepernick suffered too. But I'm sure you know this.
I would really have liked to have seen what O'Brien could do with him.
Instead, I fear we may get to see what Kubiak/Elway can do with him.
 
Double Barrel said:
Gotcha'. I guess for me it's the sort of dismissive tone that I've heard McClain take toward fans that makes me less than a fan of his as a football analyst. Of course, some fans deserve it, but he often comes off as very arrogant. This morning he was so certain that he was right and anyone that disagreed with him was a twit. That's probably why he released a tweet about being an idiot. He knew the blowback from such a hard position would be coming.



I don't think Elway had $18 million to spend. I have no doubt, though, they that they really wanted to keep him. They drafted him and developed him for years, and he showed some promise this past season. They are probably gripping right now, especially if they are really considering Manziel or Kaep.
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I've been down this road with John before. When I suggested that Matt Schaub would be the best available QB for the Texans to pursue, John said no way no how, not even on Texans radar. 48 hours later, Texans trade for Schaub.
 
ObsiWan said:
Kaepernick started the games I referred to - not to mention all the games to get the team to those championship games.
How many post-season starts does Osweiler have in the seasons you referred to??
I'll need a link with his name in the box score.
:D
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Kap's injury history, detailed by CnD, scared me off of him.

So you don't like the Os signing?
 
ObsiWan said:
Let's say I like the Lamar Miller signing a WHOLE LOT more.

and maybe it's not Osweiler per se'....
Remember the "Do You Trust O'Brien to Pick Our Next QB" thread?
I voted "no".
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Then you should be happy. If it works out, the Texans are contenders. If it doesn't some other coach will be choosing a starting QB. I like the Miller signing also.
All in all, this has been a very good day, on paper, for the Texans. IMHO, of course. lol
 
Double Barrel said:
yeah, I can understand the perspective. Maybe this will be that nut the blind squirrel gets, 'eh?

It will be interesting to see how things go in Denver with Kubiak now working with Elway to find a QB.
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Now the whole world gets to find out just how much of a QB guru Kubiak is. Talk about starting from scratch. Throw Elway in, to boot.
 
well I'm late to this party. Brock definitely signed or Brock 'to' sign? The Chron Brock 'To' which to me leaves the door open for another team.

And if he's now a Texan is he not considered a re-tread QB or is he just a lightly treaded?
 
chicagotexan2 said:
well I'm late to this party. Brock definitely signed or Brock 'to' sign? The Chron Brock 'To' which to me leaves the door open for another team.

And if he's now a Texan is he not considered a re-tread QB or is he just a lightly treaded?
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Signed.
 
I like taking a chance on Osweiler instead of getting screwed in the draft. I think the guy has shown promise on the field, and I definitely liked the way he handled all the scrutiny this season.

BUT FKN HELL MAN! $18M A YEAR?!?!?

OK, back to my inside voice ... I guess we'll have to see.
 
Texian said:
If Elway doesn't want to pay you $18 million a year not sure I would want to either.
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I bet it was the $37M guaranteed that got them. $18M vs $15M isn't enough to loose sleep (much less a starting QB).

But enough about Elway, what are your impressions of young Brock? Before his NFL career, & now? I'm truly interested.
 
All these signings at positions in need. Damn.

It's like the Texans channeled Michael Corleone. "Today, we settle all family business..."

I'm allowing myself to feel good. To be successful you have to take chances and sometimes to fall on your face. Well, we've done the face plant. Today was a good day. Houston went after a potentially good (or better) QB in competition with a cash-sprapped team and kept their draft picks, and that's not all.

Yep. Today I'm happy. My Texans took a real legit shot and I'm happy. The new Cleveland Browns, my ass. :D

In 2002 we grew our own QB tree, the apples didn't turn out. Then we traded for someone else's tree, no good apple there, either. Now let's try buying a tree. Thanks, Texans, my belief you actually care went way up.
 
eriadoc said:
I like taking a chance on Osweiler instead of getting screwed in the draft. I think the guy has shown promise on the field, and I definitely liked the way he handled all the scrutiny this season.

BUT FKN HELL MAN! $18M A YEAR?!?!?

OK, back to my inside voice ... I guess we'll have to see.
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And it costs you how much?
 
chicagotexan2 said:
Wow, thanks

I didn't think DEN would let him walk.

DEN - can I interest you in this 2016 Hoyer? It's not very strong or accurate and folds under the slightest of pressure but it works hard.
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And practices well. Practice is very important...
 
Gotta admit that I'm surprised he made the move. I thought he was just using us for leverage. Sounds like Denver didn't counter with what he was hoping for. I'll take it. It's a lot of money but that's the market.

My top choice for QB would have been to trade up for Goff. I'm that sure that he'll be a franchise QB. But that's off the table now.

And when looking at every other scenario available, this is the next best option IMO.

I've liked Osweiler ever since he came out in the draft. I think he has some really good qualities but he's not a finished product and he's definitely not perfect. OB better guru his ass off because his job now rides on this experiment. And it's about damn time too.
 
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bah007 said:
OB better guru his ass off because his job now rides on this experiment. And it's about damn time too.
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I gave your post a like because of that statement. You're right. Its about damned time for O'Brien to show his QB guru skillz.
 
Well, considering all the circumstances involved, this is a very good day for the Texans. They plugged some holes.

Hopefully.
 
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