Texian
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Correct, an immediate attack accusation insinuating that Wentz was from being as smart as Luck.....but there you go continue your spin....and put the cookie back.
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xtruroyaltyx
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Why do you keep saying people said things they didn't? NO ONE said anything about an individual's ability when it comes to scouting but rather the resources and access differences between someone who does it as a hobby and someone who is paid to do it for an NFL team.
Texian
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Clearly you've not been paying attention.
frethack
Rookie
For what its worth, I havent seen anyone attack or disparage Wentz. It is a fair comment to say that a degree from NDSU may not require coursework that is as comprehensive as Stanford, depending on the degree of course. My graduate work is in atmospheric science at UT, and I fully understand that the same degree from Stanford requires a more rigorous standard of education. Its not a slight...just an observable fact. No matter the degree its pretty plain to see that Wentz is both smart and talented, and the wonderlic is evidence of this.
Judging from the pages upon pages of comments regarding Wentz (in an Osweiler thread), it seems to me that you think its worth the many draft picks to move up and pick up Wentz. That is a very fair opinion, assuming that there is someone who would even want to deal with us.
Others think that it is not worth the multiple high round picks we would have to give up to draft Wentz. I can see the merit of those opinions as well.
Why not just admit that both opinions have value and call it a day? Wentz is not a slam dunk draft pick, but he has amazing potential. Is he worth mortgaging future drafts? We shall see, but there is nothing any of us can do about it now. He will likely be a Brown.
Wolf
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I think it spun out of control in the debate when Texian is playing armchair scout. I am playing armchair GM. Texian is saying wentz is a going to be a HOFer. I am saying the Texans have too many holes to fill and can't unload so many picks to move up.
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We picked up what we think is the best young FA out there before the draft so we don't go into the draft really really desperate because we can't start the season with what we had last year
For example.. good debate though
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We picked up what we think is the best young FA out there before the draft so we don't go into the draft really really desperate because we can't start the season with what we had last year
For example.. good debate though
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Good post and I agree.
For the record, my attack was not against Wentz, but aimed at the idiot who made the statement. Not you... the particular reporter.
& I don't consider myself a Wentz hater. I've been as forthcoming as I can that I haven't seen enough to be able to say one way or the other.
My hope this whole time was that a QB needy team sees a savior in Wentz & takes him. Even if that means someone trades up to #1 overall, thus increasing the likelihood that Cook would make it to 22.
Marshall
Not pretty, but ALIVE!
You were a bit defensive. Scoring a perfect score on a 3rd grade spelling test isn't quite the same as a perfect score on a Bar Exam. Both are laudable, but definitely not the same.
Marshall
Not pretty, but ALIVE!
The problem is he has.
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Find and repost the quote that actually states the underscored as you accuse. Otherwise you're lying.
And for the record, Luck's degree from Stanford is in Architectural Design link1 and Wentz's field of study is Health Ed, and Phys. Ed. with a minor in Psychology. Link2
How is TK's question comparing the two schools an "attack" on Wentz??
Wentz may well be as smart as Luck but you can't tell it by comparing their two schools or fields of study.
Grams
Veteran
I think the ladies have stayed out of this one.
This is just a "WOW" . Where we just can't believe how stupid some are behaving, shake our heads and just walk away.
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So... they replayed the Pats @ Broncos from the regular season as one of the 20 best games. Osweiler did a lot of growing in that one game. & again, to be in that situation & play the way he played... very impressive.
Cj Anderson did quite a bit of stepping up in that game as well. The snow didn't bother him. Almost looked like he got better.
I've been hanging around on the Broncos board since we started bidding on Oz & of course they've been downplaying Everything but their defense. But New England scored 24 points in regulation. That's not a world class defense.
The offense got to 24 first. There were at least three lead changes, I'm not saying the defense didn't do anything... they held New England to a long field goal attempt at the end of regulation. They forced the Patriots to a 3 & out at the beginning of OT.
They did their part, but the offense was a big part of that win.
Cj Anderson did quite a bit of stepping up in that game as well. The snow didn't bother him. Almost looked like he got better.
I've been hanging around on the Broncos board since we started bidding on Oz & of course they've been downplaying Everything but their defense. But New England scored 24 points in regulation. That's not a world class defense.
The offense got to 24 first. There were at least three lead changes, I'm not saying the defense didn't do anything... they held New England to a long field goal attempt at the end of regulation. They forced the Patriots to a 3 & out at the beginning of OT.
They did their part, but the offense was a big part of that win.
Can you give me a link to the Broncos board?
Texian
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Good Grief man, I posted the quote twice yesterday. Your apology for calling me a liar is accepted.
As for Architectural Design vs Health Ed, and Phys. Ed. - Wonderlic Scores Wentz 40, Luck 37.
Greg Cosell, "Like Luck, Wentz is smart." TK - yeah but Wentz is not as smart Luck cause Luck went to Stanford. Others - Yeah but Wentz is not smart as Luck because Luck studied Architecure and Wentz studied Health and PE. Have y'all ever heard of apples and oranges? The fact of the matter is that Wentz could be much smarter that Luck. That is possible you know! I find it all just a bit petty.
"Wentz may well be as smart as Luck but you can't tell it by comparing their two schools or fields of study." - I DIDN'T! Others were comparing those apples to oranges trying to make their PETTY points.
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See the problem is your reading comprehension. This is not a direct quote of what I said & it's a piss poor job of paraphrasing.
Cosell: Wentz is smart, just like Luck. Wentz was 4.0 student at NDState.
TK: uh... a 4.0 at NDState doesn't prove he is smart like Luck. Smart... sure. But it doesn't prove he is smart like Luck.
Texian
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You're going to need a bigger shovel if you're going to keep digging that hole.
Why don't you just say, I took exception to Cosell saying Wentz was smart like Luck, and I resorted to some extemporaneous crap to try and show he wasn't. Guilty as charged.
I have no idea how smart Wentz is. But the fact that he got a 4.0 at NDState doesn't mean he is smart, like Luck.
That's like saying Keenum was as good a prospect as Wentz. He threw for over 4,000 yards at UH.
Though there may be similarities in the stat, this one in particular doesnt prove my point.
Texian
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Since you have left the ball park I think you and I have exhausted our discussion here.
ChampionTexan
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Hey - if it's not blatantly obvious already, Osweiler's success - or lack thereof - is far less dependent on his level of performance and the Texans overall level of performance than it is how other QB's perform.
Lol, no doubt.
Won't know much really until preseason or maybe camp anyway.
Glad to be talking about a legitimate QB prospect though.
Can you imagine if we were having the Hoyer/Weeden/Savage debate this season?
Yuck.
Thorn
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Heads will begin to explode all around TexasTalk as some actually give that some thought.
ChampionTexan
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Seeing much of Savage - or Weeden - or anyone not named Osweiler - will by definition be disappointing.
xtruroyaltyx
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That was actually a good analogy by tk.
Just because you did something in one place doesn't mean you'd face the same level of difficulty if you tried to do it in another place. I mean, things understood shouldn't have to be explained. That's like one of the things in life you don't even need to realize. You come out of the womb with tools necessary to pick up on that "lesson" pretty quickly.
I'm confused here a little about your stance on this. At first I thought you were trolling for sure, but then I realized you are probably serious. Well the only options are trolling or extremely obtuse and you seem like a smart guy. So at this point we've entered some weird realm where I'm not sure wtf is going on.
Some, while very good at what they do, suffer a severe lack of reading comprehension... I'm convinced he falls in that category
Texian
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This is known as playing scared. Those who usually do lose.
The Pencil Neck
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Yes, exactly. Trading up that far using a bunch of high draft picks is known as playing scared and teams that do that usually lose.
corytx8
Rookie
How did that workout for the Redskins.............
corytx8
Rookie
Or mike Dickta
Wolf
100% Texan
I googled "trade up for wentz" most links mentioned Philly. Other than that I haven't read much.La,sf, and Philly are about the only ones seem to be mentioned to trade up. Texans weren't mention beside Texian posting here. Only person that I saw on another search was maylock saying wentz has luck like qualities I looked this up because I haven't seen game film and was wondering if what Texian was saying , then other teams would be eager to trading their future also
The Pencil Neck
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Or the Falcons.
As others have pointed out, and I believe I did in my original post, I haven't found a situation where a team traded a boatload of premium picks for a player that worked out well in the long run.
Texian
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Actually it started out quite well, Washington went from worst to first, playoffs, Offensive Rookie of the Year, Pro Bowl and then he got hurt, suffered several major injuries.
Not a QB, an Orange vs an Apple Comparison and greatest anomaly of the NFL Draft.
Actually the Falcons are quite pleased with Julio Jones and the trade, although he's not a QB and another Orange to an Apple comparison.
Texian
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Giants gave up a lot of picks for Eli and 2 Super Bowl Trphies later that seems to have worked out well for the Giants.
The Pencil Neck
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I don't care how "pleased" they are with Julio Jones--he's a great player--but they made that trade thinking that he was the final piece they needed. Since that trade, they're 41-39 in the regular season and 1-2 in the postseason. By comparison, we're 44-36 and 2-3 since that trade.
Making that trade wasn't worth it because it didn't help them be a significantly better team.
amazing80
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So one time, in a draft that featured 3 pro bowl qbs and the one guy traded publicly stated he wouldn't suit up for San Diego. The amount given up for Manning was peanuts compared to what was given up for RG3. We get it, you would mortgage the entire team to trade up for Wentz.
The Pencil Neck
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That was a trade up from 4 to 1, talk about apples and oranges.
infantrycak
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Dubious Rivers would not have had as much success in NY. As a QB he wipes the floor with Manning.
Just so folks know, the "lot of picks" was:
2004 3rd
2005 1st
2005 6th
Didn't they make it to the NFC Championship game in Julio's sophomore season? & that was after not winning in the play offs for like a decade before... I think.
Julio Jones may have very well been the final piece. They just weren't able to hold that team together very long afterwards. Losing the draft picks may have hurt them in finding replacement players, but that's a different story (as I don't recall how many future picks were involved).
The Pencil Neck
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Yeah, they lost a WC game his rookie season, then had a good enough record to be able to have a bye before winning their first playoff game since Reeves' SB run.
But to me that screams of them getting desperate and looking for that one piece that would put them over the top and miscalculating about what that was.
Texian
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Trade up from #4 to #1 is a difference of 1200 points; trading up from #22 to #6 is a difference of 820 points. Trading up from #4 to #1 is twice as expensive.
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