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BADBOY'S 2022 draft and trades

OptimisticTexan said:
That’s why I also selected Hutchinson…..he’s going to do that to most OT’s he faces. AH has risen to being my first pick as he probably will on several other team boards. It doesn’t make Walker any less of a prospect b/c this would happen to the best of them.
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I saw a Michigan game the other day and Hutchison reminds me much more of Watts little brother and it wasn't just because he was playing
as a 3-4 OLB. The Michigan kid isn't as big, as thick as JJ, but I dunno maybe folks expect us to be running a 3-4 in the future ?
 
IDEXAN said:
I saw a Michigan game the other day and Hutchison reminds me much more of Watts little brother and it wasn't just because he was playing
as a 3-4 OLB. The Michigan kid isn't as big, as thick as JJ, but I dunno maybe folks expect us to be running a 3-4 in the future ?
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Hutchinson is plenty big enough to be playing at 260 Lbs.
 
Miami and Eagles should win this weekend with both of those round ones impacted.

San Francisco should beat Jags but could be interesting game and 49ers pick is Miami's. A win could drop that pick from 12 to say 20.

Giants my focus as 1.6 and 1.8 should lose out next 8 and Bears may beat only Detroit and NYG keeping Chicago about same. The problem is cap space and NYG ain't got any and taking DW's base will not work. He would have to agree to extension or bonus out that base for two years.

If the NTC resolved Philly with $20 and $56 better option.

Miami still looking as only team that can offer close to what Nick may want in picks and cap not issue to absorb all DW bases. Here's to hoping Howard can be trade for a round one that could sweeten the SF pick from Miami.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
If the Texans want picks in the 2022 draft for Watson.....then Watson has to be traded after the 2022 NFL season opens for business and before the draft. Me, I want Watson gone and picks in hand before the draft. Also.....really hope Caserio and his scouts burn the midnight oil so they can load up on UDFA's after the draft.
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NC is stockpiling picks so I think we can expect that to continue. Looks like he is going to build through the draft and that is a good move.
This next off-season is going to be very busy and exciting for Texans fans.
NC was in triage mode his first go round but now he has had time to settle in and get to work.

Having said that, this is a great draft for defense and OL in the first round with the defensive depth flowing over well into the second.
QB's are an average group this year.
There are no superstar RB's in R1, but there are some good ones that will be just outside the first round.
TE's are kinda the same as the RB's.
WR's have some depth again this year.
 
steelbtexan said:
Agreed, but I'm sure they would have rookie struggles. I could live with the struggles for talented guys like this.

If you were to keep Tunsil and trade down you could probably still add these guys minus Penning.
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Having Tunsil there as mentor and leader for a new young group would be a good thing in my book.
Davis Mills should be given another chance as he is still very raw and building a line and running game for him must be a priority - as it would be for any QB.
 
Lucky said:
Geez, are you bothering to read the posts? I said earlier the Texans could pay Watson's salary? That's is not what you wrote initially.

Continue to make up stuff that is never going to happen. No one will stop you.
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you also said there was no mechanism to do what I suggested and then you said it could be done.


Lucky said:
There's no mechanism to make that happen. "Hey NFL, we're paying down the Giants cap hit. Just take it out of our cap space." It doesn't work.

Look, continue to come up with your own scenarios, and I'll leave it alone. I just would think you would want to know why this is not done in the league.
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Thoughts not necessarily suggestions:

Jermaine Johnson DE/Edge: An absolute sensation for the Seminoles, Johnson had All-American production in his 2021 Season with the Noles, where he recorded 70 total tackles 17.5 for loss, 12 sacks, 12 QB hurries and two forced fumbles, 2 PBUs.

{Hutchinson 58 T's 15.5 for loss;14 sacks 2 FF; 12 hurries; 3 PBUs}

During his college career, the Florida State defensive end has played with his hand in the dirt and stood up over the tackle.

Additionally, during his time at Georgia, Johnson was tasked with playing outside linebacker. As a result, he is equally adept at dropping back into coverage. He ran a 4.5 40-yard dash in high school, and there’s little to suggest that he won’t run that at 260 pounds at the NFL Combine.
If you want a graphic example of how athletic Johnson is, switch on 2020 Georgia vs. Alabama and watch him go to work against Evan Neal. The Alabama offensive tackle is as athletic as they come in this NFL Draft class. Johnson had multiple winning reps where he dipped, exploded around, and then ducked under the blocking attempts of the Crimson Tide tackle.
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www.profootballnetwork.com

Jermaine Johnson II, Florida State DE | NFL Draft Scouting Report

Jermaine Johnson II scouting report -- The FSU DE has gone from academically ineligible to being a top-10 2022 NFL Draft prospect.
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Cameron Thomas San Diego State 6'5" 270 DE
68 T's 20.5 FL; 11.5 sacks 17 QBs 1 FF
Nov 22nd, "Pro Football Focus grades him the second-best defensive player with a minimum 600 snaps … in the country. "


Possibly significant info on his LT brother Zach a Senior 6'5" 300 "Zach, the senior left tackle, played the first 10 games of the season without allowing a sack or quarterback hit, according to Pro Football Focus. The same publication grades the 6-5, 300-pounder as the eighth-best offensive lineman in major-college football among those with a minimum 300 snaps. " More info https://www.sandiegouniontribune.co...e-no-19-aztecs-football-on-both-sides-of-ball
 
badboy said:
Thoughts not necessarily suggestions:

Jermaine Johnson DE/Edge: An absolute sensation for the Seminoles, Johnson had All-American production in his 2021 Season with the Noles, where he recorded 70 total tackles 17.5 for loss, 12 sacks, 12 QB hurries and two forced fumbles, 2 PBUs.

{Hutchinson 58 T's 15.5 for loss;14 sacks 2 FF; 12 hurries; 3 PBUs}

www.profootballnetwork.com

Jermaine Johnson II, Florida State DE | NFL Draft Scouting Report

Jermaine Johnson II scouting report -- The FSU DE has gone from academically ineligible to being a top-10 2022 NFL Draft prospect.
www.profootballnetwork.com www.profootballnetwork.com


Cameron Thomas San Diego State 6'5" 270 DE
68 T's 20.5 FL; 11.5 sacks 17 QBs 1 FF
Nov 22nd, "Pro Football Focus grades him the second-best defensive player with a minimum 600 snaps … in the country. "


Possibly significant info on his LT brother Zach a Senior 6'5" 300 "Zach, the senior left tackle, played the first 10 games of the season without allowing a sack or quarterback hit, according to Pro Football Focus. The same publication grades the 6-5, 300-pounder as the eighth-best offensive lineman in major-college football among those with a minimum 300 snaps. " More info https://www.sandiegouniontribune.co...e-no-19-aztecs-football-on-both-sides-of-ball
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good options for trade down scenarios.
 
I will address two trades.. Watson to NY Giants and Laremy Tunsil to Miami.
badboy said:
addressing the Eagles only for now and I really hope that happens and why I have major doubts. I just don't see DW wanting to play in Philly. I see him as a playa more than player and that doesn't translate for me. I'm focusing on New York with Jets coming more into play as Zach Wilson is disappointing fans, Giants because they seem like better organization. NY has to be a thought as similar to Miami. I agree with your thoughts on Dolphins. If Tua offers anything going forward I think Ross will pull out. I'm hoping Caserio tells DW "waive your NTC or I refuse to trade you to Miami as I have to get more than Dolphins suggested offer." I just need more than SF round one currently #10.

More thoughts later.
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6 weeks later and rounding more into focus for me. Barring injury Tag should be kept and whether it's confidence since trade deadline past, healing or getting more comfortable with his offense and playbook Tu'a has a 74.5 PFF and I project 8-9 and just missing out on wild card.. depending on Ravens. Ross backs out of DW and decides to make splash bringing Laremy back to protect Tag's blindside RT allowing Eichenburg to develop at non blindside. Tunsil would still get consideration as "the guy" at future negotiation. Dolphins in 2022 have $75 million and can easily assume his base of $18. This would also bring Ross national attention which any owner likes. My thinking was Ross would move Xavien Howard in a deal {and still might} but he has the 75 and could handle plumping up the corner's paycheck. X has had another good if not pro-bowl year. Also, I think Nicky would prefer a round two late over Howard added to the 2022 SF pick about 19-21. Tunsil for 1.19 (SF) and 2.51.

DW to NYG for 1.5 and 1.6 which should satisfy Nicky's three ones and two twos or it would me. NYG 2.38 brings in WR Metchie from Alabama 1142 avg 12 with 8 TDs and 4.4 40 HS
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Jameson Williams 40 time: How fast is Alabama receiver?

Jameson Williams was so fast on this 67-yard touchdown vs. Georgia. How fast is the Alabama football star? What is his 40-yard dash time?
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1.1 Jags surprises few by selecting Evan Neal to protect Lawrence
1.2 Detroit Thibodeaux sources indicate team love him & would replace free agent Charles Harris who at 26 will run for the money.. elsewhere.
1.3 Texans Hutchinson replaces Jacob Martin who like Harris ...
1.4 Jets WR Garrett Wilson as I explained in my Tunsil thread LT & RT did ok and Moses extends on cheap. Zach Martin needs better targets and gets one here.
1.5 Texans Stingley future hall of famer?
1.6 Texans OT/OG Icky Okwonu and I play him at LG

1.19 Texans LT Charles Cross battles Howard if I'm correct can be our RT if Howard LT Having Icky next to him can only improve Howard.

2.36 Texans Safety Daxton Hall did great last year at corner.

2.51 Texans DE Cameron Johnson would love to get his LT brother Zach in UDFA

3.66 RB Breece Hall
 
It's your thread.

Their your dreams.

I do think the NYG could be a Derrick destination if he manages to beat the rap. The price should look something like this

NYG trade

2022 1-5
2022 2-51

2023 1st
2023 2nd

Texans trade

Derrick

2022 Saints pick
 
Placing this link here as I have spoken about Xavian Howard being part of a possible trade for Deshaun Watson. I am starting to lean away from Dolphins trade as I think Stephen Ross will continue with Tua tag as his quarterback. Also the Dolphins have $75 million in cap so can handle any demand by their now 3 x pro bowler..
Dolphin Nation: Report: Miami Dolphins CB Xavien Howard named to Pro Bowl for 3rd time in career.
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Report: Miami Dolphins CB Xavien Howard named to Pro Bowl for 3rd time in career

The Miami Dolphins got a bit of recognition on Wednesday when cornerback Xavien Howard was named to the Pro Bowl. Howard, 28, will be making his third trip to the game, his last coming after the 2020 season.
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Moves Giants can make to reduce cap for possible trades.

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At the end of the 2020 season, one of the New York Giants' off-season goals was to get playmakers for quarterback Daniel Jones so that they could evaluate his future as the franchise quarterback. They attempted to do that, adding to a group that already included Sterling Shepard and Darius...
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badboy said:
Placing this link here as I have spoken about Xavian Howard being part of a possible trade for Deshaun Watson. I am starting to lean away from Dolphins trade as I think Stephen Ross will continue with Tua tag as his quarterback. Also the Dolphins have $75 million in cap so can handle any demand by their now 3 x pro bowler..
Dolphin Nation: Report: Miami Dolphins CB Xavien Howard named to Pro Bowl for 3rd time in career.
dolphinnation.com

Report: Miami Dolphins CB Xavien Howard named to Pro Bowl for 3rd time in career

The Miami Dolphins got a bit of recognition on Wednesday when cornerback Xavien Howard was named to the Pro Bowl. Howard, 28, will be making his third trip to the game, his last coming after the 2020 season.
dolphinnation.com dolphinnation.com
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Question:

Why would the Texans be interested in a player as talented as Howard if he is going to be demanding a big pay day in the near future?

I don’t know what he would be expecting but I would think it would make more sense to get picks and try the luck at getting a corner in the draft. That way you have the player on the cheap for a few years.

But the Texans will be flush with cash in a couple years…they will need to start using that money.

And yes I know you just can’t draft a great corner.
 
TexansBull said:
Question:

Why would the Texans be interested in a player as talented as Howard if he is going to be demanding a big pay day in the near future?

I don’t know what he would be expecting but I would think it would make more sense to get picks and try the luck at getting a corner in the draft. That way you have the player on the cheap for a few years.

But the Texans will be flush with cash in a couple years…they will need to start using that money.

And yes I know you just can’t draft a great corner.
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I'm guessing for some reason Badboy is good with paying an all pro CB after having to trade for him and paying him top dollar vs keeping an all pro LT that's already been paid that you dont have to trade for.

I'm still trying to figure out the logic behind this?
 
TexansBull said:
Question:

Why would the Texans be interested in a player as talented as Howard if he is going to be demanding a big pay day in the near future?

I don’t know what he would be expecting but I would think it would make more sense to get picks and try the luck at getting a corner in the draft. That way you have the player on the cheap for a few years.

But the Texans will be flush with cash in a couple years…they will need to start using that money.

And yes I know you just can’t draft a great corner.
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Great question and believe me I've tried to look at this from all sides. First from my post #162 : "Also, I think Nicky would prefer a round two late over Howard added to the 2022 SF pick about 19-21. Tunsil for 1.19 (SF) and 2.51. "

As you also correctly state you cannot find (Projected) three time pro bowl corners in draft often if at all. Having to pay him only $13 m, $11 m and $12 next three seasons is amazing. Yes, Ross was concerned about Howard making huge demands but the rework of X's contract mollified the player. Keep in mind X had agreed to his deal in 2019 but Jones contract coming in @ FA beat X's. Player ego and IMO X could have been handled differently and the rework which basically favored team shows that.

Howard's agent, David Canter, took to Twitter to comment on the contract restructure.
• Gave Howard up to $3.5 million in incentives for 2021, including $1 million for making the Pro Bowl or being named an All-Pro;

• Agreed to rescind the $93,000 in fines for Howard skipping the mandatory June minicamp;

• Moved per-game roster bonuses of $500,000 in 2022 to base salary and guaranteed it against injury;

• Converted a 2022 $100,000 workout bonus to base salary and guaranteed it against injury;

• Converted Howard's $12.975 injury guarantee for 2022 to a full guarantee on the first day of the league year;

• Fully guaranteed $6.775 million of Howard's 2022 salary.

The maximum value for Howard for 2021 is at $16.3 million. The Dolphins also agreed to revisit Howard's contract next spring.

/QUOTE] I do not see Ross having issues with another rework of Howard's deal even more so as his stats should improve next two regular G and possible PO s.

Interesting to me is Texans can do same thing without using cap space now known using savings from Tunsil base of $5m to X's now GTD 2022 base. $13 m + $5 = Laremy's base.
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Very lengthy detailed article from Sportsnaught concerning NYG's roster and evals. Later in article it offers a trade for Watson similar to mine above. Just dreaming but still interesting.
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The New York Giants have become an embarrassment that’s hard to ignore. The 2021 version is simply the latest, greatest
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Even if the Giants surrender their first-round picks in pursuit of a franchise cornerstone, many believe this is a deep and talented draft for offensive tackles. Finding anything but a left tackle can happen on the second day of the draft.

They may have to try and find a veteran such as Al Villanueva, Riley Reiff, or try and reconnect with an old friend in Kevin Zeitler. Unfortunately, they are projected to have very little cap space, so their options will be limited...

  • New York Giants trade: 2022 first-round pick, 2022 first-round pick (via Chicago), 2023 third-round pick, Daniel Jones, Darius Slayton, Adoree’ Jackson
  • Houston Texans trade: Deshaun Watson
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Also calls for terminating Judge and Gettleman.
 
badboy said:
Great question and believe me I've tried to look at this from all sides. First from my post #162 : "Also, I think Nicky would prefer a round two late over Howard added to the 2022 SF pick about 19-21. Tunsil for 1.19 (SF) and 2.51. "

As you also correctly state you cannot find (Projected) three time pro bowl corners in draft often if at all. Having to pay him only $13 m, $11 m and $12 next three seasons is amazing. Yes, Ross was concerned about Howard making huge demands but the rework of X's contract mollified the player. Keep in mind X had agreed to his deal in 2019 but Jones contract coming in @ FA beat X's. Player ego and IMO X could have been handled differently and the rework which basically favored team shows that.
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I hadn’t read your previous post.

I think too Caserio will be hesitant to make trades for players he feels doesn’t fit the culture.
 
TexansBull said:
I hadn’t read your previous post.

I think too Caserio will be hesitant to make trades for players he feels doesn’t fit the culture.
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I have not seen anything that indicates to me that Xavian and Howard does not fit the culture that the Texans are supposedly trying to instill. His contract negotiations for lack of a better word remind me of Andre Johnson's doing the same.
 
badboy said:
I just found this link and was fairly impressed. No trades.

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Houston Texans build around Davis Mills in 2022 7-Round NFL Mock Draft - NewsBreak

The Houston Texans showed slight promise around rookie quarterback Davis Mills in 2021 and should plan to build around him in 2022. The Houston Texans 2021...
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Do not like

Does not addres the OL issues.

Gotta do that to fix the run game.

Building around Mills and dont pick an OL until late in the draft. SMH
 
Lucky said:
So he wouldn't say he was wasting his career if he came to the Texans?
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My focus is not on what he's saying but that Miami may not want to deal with it. I would. He has to compare himself to Byron Jones everyday but here would not have to do that. He would be immediately the best player on the team. I think he just wants to be recognized for his efforts.
 
Still South Beach Dreamin?

While we're Dreamin lets just trade Tunsil and Derrick for all of the Dolphins team and Three 1sts/Two 2nd's and a 3rd.

This is just about as likely to happen.
 
badboy said:
sports.yahoo.com

2022 NFL mock draft: New 3-round projections heading into combine

Draft Wire editor Luke Easterling updates his projections for the 2022 NFL draft heading into this year's NFL Scouting Combine
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I could live with this draft even though I'm not a big fan of Lindstrom.
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I would absolutely hate this draft.

4 top 100 picks and no help at all for Mills.

Obviously whoever did this mock didn't see the Texans try to run the ball last yr.

Give me

1. Hamilton
2. Tyler Smith
3. Dulcich
3. Pierce
4. Strange if I had to use a 6th to trade up I would.

Sign Kirk in FA.

Real Weapons for Mills to work with and a HOF type talent on defense.
 
Lucky said:
Don't you agree this is a defensive leaning draft? Caserio should just take the best player. That will help Mills and everyone on the team.
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Yes I do and I'm all on board with going defense at 1-3 and 2-37 if BPA. If Neal isn't there at 1-3

However in rd.3 BPA should be OL/TE/RB. Also LB should be good in the 3rd.

2 defensive guys I really like in Rds 1-2 and would really like Caserio to pick are,

1. Hamilton
2. Quay Walker

These guys would give the speed element currently missing from the defense and can cover TE'S. Also Walker has the ability to rush the passer on 3rd downs. IMHO

However I want to see how he does at the combine test wise before I commit to this.
 
steelbtexan said:
2. Quay Walker

These guys would give the speed element currently missing from the defense and can cover TE'S. Also Walker has the ability to rush the passer on 3rd downs. IMHO

However I want to see how he does at the combine test wise before I commit to this.
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My concern with Walker is not combine testing. He will test great, as will the other Bulldog defenders. It's Walker's production that will give me pause. The other Georgia LBs blew him away in production. More tackles, TFLs, sacks. And they gave up 20 lbs to Walker.

It's very difficult to evaluate guys on loaded teams like Georgia and Alabama. They're rarely double teamed. But, maybe their production would be higher if the guy next to them wasn't always making the play? I would probably take Chad Muma over Walker if I'm Caserio, because he's been the guy. But I also think #37 is too rich for either.
 
Yeah…. If I only have the first 3 ounds to work with:
1. DB- Kyle Hamilton
2. OG- Zion Johnson
3. LB- Chad Muma
3. RB- Breece Hall

All 4 players would be day one starters and potentially high impact players.
 
Lucky said:
My concern with Walker is not combine testing. He will test great, as will the other Bulldog defenders. It's Walker's production that will give me pause. The other Georgia LBs blew him away in production. More tackles, TFLs, sacks. And they gave up 20 lbs to Walker.

It's very difficult to evaluate guys on loaded teams like Georgia and Alabama. They're rarely double teamed. But, maybe their production would be higher if the guy next to them wasn't always making the play? I would probably take Chad Muma over Walker if I'm Caserio, because he's been the guy. But I also think #37 is too rich for either.
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The reason his TFL's are behind the other Georgia LB's is that they used him in coverage more than the other LB's. His coverage allowed Dean/Tindall to be able to blitz more often.

He's very good in coverage and I'm betting with his size/speed that he can be also used as a pass rusher too. At worst you have a really good off ball LB. At best you have a star level player.
 
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steelbtexan said:
At worst you have a really good off ball LB. At best you have a star level player.
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I would say his traits would indicate a high ceiling. His production would predict a lower ceiling. And where do you play Walker in this defense? I see a SAM, but does that position have #37 value? There should still be a pass rusher there, or a CB2 with size. I don't see the production, fit, or value there for Walker.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
Yeah…. If I only have the first 3 ounds to work with:
1. DB- Kyle Hamilton
2. OG- Zion Johnson
3. LB- Chad Muma
3. RB- Breece Hall

All 4 players would be day one starters and potentially high impact players.
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Just curious who is your cornerback? Tavierre Thomas is basically the only one; was only on the team one year.
 
Lucky said:
I would say his traits would indicate a high ceiling. His production would predict a lower ceiling. And where do you play Walker in this defense? I see a SAM, but does that position have #37 value? There should still be a pass rusher there, or a CB2 with size. I don't see the production, fit, or value there for Walker.
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His production was down because of the way he was used.

I see him as a Parsons light kind of guy. A guy who can be productive either in a proven role (Coverage) or in a pass rush role (Projection based on his size/speed/skills.) Walker can fit in any type of defense, if you cant use a guy with Walkers skillset then that's on coaching. Big, fast, Smart players are always useful. I would say he has the ability to be Parsons lite, but since Lovie's the HC, I see Walker more in the Lance Briggs role. (Well worth 37. IMHO)
 
badboy said:
Just curious who is your cornerback? Tavierre Thomas is basically the only one; was only on the team one year.
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Caserio wont be able to fix everything in 1 yr. What you hope for is that Caserio can find another Thomas late in the draft or in FA this yr. I'm liking Woolen/McCollum in the later rds. 2 Texas guys that are extremely athletically gifted.
 
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