So no 2022 draft choices?I could see a deal being agreed to and then completed after June 1st...
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So no 2022 draft choices?I could see a deal being agreed to and then completed after June 1st...
I think we can forget about trading Watson to WTF, considering all of the issues they are currently dealing with.WFT Receive:
QB- Watson
I think we can forget about trading Watson to WTF, considering all of the issues they are currently dealing with.
Well sure as discussed before a team makes picks Caserio tells them to then trade completed after June 1st.So no 2022 draft choices?
I think DW will bring three round ones minimum and Tunsil worth more than three round twos so.. edit CB is avg so not really a positive.A bit out on the deep end but a fun what if:
WFT Receive:
QB- Watson
LT- Tunsil
WR- Cooks
Texans Receive:
CB- Jackson III
2022
RD1 / RD2 / RD3
2023
RD1 / RD2 / RD3
2024
RD1 / RD2 / RD3
We've discussed this before. Draft pool money doesn't transfer after the picks are made. The Texans couldn't sign the multiple 1sts you have them trading for. Trading Watson has to happen prior to the draft if the Texans want 2022 picks.Well sure as discussed before a team makes picks Caserio tells them to then trade completed after June 1st.
And if I recall I did not agree with you then. you need to support that comment. Money for draft picks is not applicable until the player signs contract as I understand.We've discussed this before. Draft pool money doesn't transfer after the picks are made. The Texans couldn't sign the multiple 1sts you have them trading for. Trading Watson has to happen prior to the draft if the Texans want 2022 picks.
To clarify the post just before this one where I replied to you I am not disagreeing that the cap pool money remains with the original team it's just that that does not stop that team from trading those players.We've discussed this before. Draft pool money doesn't transfer after the picks are made. The Texans couldn't sign the multiple 1sts you have them trading for. Trading Watson has to happen prior to the draft if the Texans want 2022 picks.
Really? We're doing this again?And if I recall I did not agree with you then. you need to support that comment. Money for draft picks is not applicable until the player signs contract as I understand.
Let's use an example such as the New York Giants pick number 7 for 2022. that pick in the past draft was for Penne Sewell at just under 15 million dollars guaranteed. We have seen teams including the Texans pay millions of dollars to trade players. Why could not the Texans pay the guaranteed money? DW's 35 million dollar base salary would pay for both of the Giants round ones in 2022.Really? We're doing this again?
A team can't trade a player that hasn't signed a contract. So the team that drafts the players would have to sign them. Then when they trade these players, they have to take the cap on the guaranteed money. No team is doing that.
So you're asking a team to eat the guaranteed money (just one player?) and pay Watson $35 million? In order to save Texans $11 million on the cap? Plus, the Texans don't have to pay the rookie bonuses? Again, no team is doing that. No team has ever done that.Let's use an example such as the New York Giants pick number 7 for 2022. that pick in the past draft was for Penne Sewell at just under 15 million dollars guaranteed. We have seen teams including the Texans pay millions of dollars to trade players. Why could not the Texans pay the guaranteed money? DW's 35 million dollar base salary would pay for both of the Giants round ones in 2022.
That's not what I said. Read my post again. Giants draft players Texans want at pics 8 and 9 where Giants are projected at this time. Giants sign contracts with both players and trade them to Houston for Watson.So you're asking a team to eat the guaranteed money (just one player?) and pay Watson $35 million? In order to save Texans $11 million on the cap? Plus, the Texans don't have to pay the rookie bonuses? Again, no team is doing that. No team has ever done that.
What? That doesn't work. The Texans could pay a portion of Watson's contract. But what's the point of all of this nonsense? Just trade the picks before the draft. Like every draft trade is made.Texans use the savings from DWs base of $35 m to pay the GTD $ to NYG for those two players. I would do that in a minute.
I do not understand why you do not understand what I am saying. When Watson is traded his base salary for 2022 will be 35 million dollars wherever he goes; that team pays that amount. That same amount becomes cap space for Houston and they can use it to pay any GTD $ to NYG. The Texans keep his dead money which in a pre June 1st trade would beWhat? That doesn't work. The Texans could pay a portion of Watson's contract. But what's the point of all of this nonsense? Just trade the picks before the draft. Like every draft trade is made.
1.2 2600
2.34 560
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3160
1.7 1500
1 .10 1300
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2800 or 360 different. I don't see getting a 6th adequate to do that deal.
I would more readily consider 1.2 for the two round ones and argue over the difference 200. Pressure the Giants to accept that deal if they truly want Stingley.
Bottom line 1.2 and our second third the probable comp we got in a trade this season. Keeping in mind a round three should get a significant player and for this roster prob a starter so has great value to us. Probably would not give that 3rd.
I don't only look at the point system but simply believe that 1.2 has great value. You are correct that the Giants really need a cornerback but can you convince me that Singletary is worth the number two pick? He has done nothing since 2019. I realize that the Bengals hit on a wide receiver that did not play for over a year but that is a little bit shorter time.
Would Giants be willing to give up both round ones for the best quarterback in the draft? Daniel Jones has not been much of a starter. If I were the Giants I just might take a left tackle over Derek Singletary.
Also if you trade 2.34 where did 2.39 come from to get Wright?
Enjoyed reading your thoughts.
There's no mechanism to make that happen. "Hey NFL, we're paying down the Giants cap hit. Just take it out of our cap space." It doesn't work.That same amount becomes cap space for Houston and they can use it to pay any GTD $ to NYG.
? No mechanism? We have seen the Texans as an example of team paying part of a departing players contract so the receiving team does not have to pay it. Clowney.There's no mechanism to make that happen. "Hey NFL, we're paying down the Giants cap hit. Just take it out of our cap space." It doesn't work.
Look, continue to come up with your own scenarios, and I'll leave it alone. I just would think you would want to know why this is not done in the league.
Of course I prefer that also but was showing another option that could lower the dead money for the Texans.If the Texans want picks in the 2022 draft for Watson.....then Watson has to be traded after the 2022 NFL season opens for business and before the draft. Me, I want Watson gone and picks in hand before the draft. Also.....really hope Caserio and his scouts burn the midnight oil so they can load up on UDFA's after the draft.
addressing the Eagles only for now and I really hope that happens and why I have major doubts. I just don't see DW wanting to play in Philly. I see him as a playa more than player and that doesn't translate for me. I'm focusing on New York with Jets coming more into play as Zach Wilson is disappointing fans, Giants because they seem like better organization. NY has to be a thought as similar to Miami. I agree with your thoughts on Dolphins. If Tua offers anything going forward I think Ross will pull out. I'm hoping Caserio tells DW "waive your NTC or I refuse to trade you to Miami as I have to get more than Dolphins suggested offer." I just need more than SF round one currently #10.Now that there’s a better understanding as to why trading Watson, Tunsil, and Cooks could and/or should happen before the draft does anyone have any thoughts as to what these 3 players could realistically return, picks wise, to the Texans and who might be the suitors?
Watson:
I could see Miami, WFT, and Eagles being the players the Texans could have the most interest in since they might offer the best draft positioning in 2022. WFT absolutely needs a QB and there isn’t going to be one better than Watson over the next couple of seasons. The Eagles also want a QB knowing Hurts isn’t the answer and that they have the draft capital to make it interesting for Caserio. The problem, Watson has to waive his NTC to truly get these teams in the loop. The Dolphins has been the selected team all along only they’re starting to win and the more they win the further they move back in the draft process. The other consideration, it might mean that Tua is finally gaining his NFL footing meaning the Dolphins could decide to ride out his development process. If Miami falls out of the process……that eliminates Watson’s hold on his NTC. If Watson has any desire to play, it’ll either be for the Texans or the team that offers the next best deal. My guess, the Eagles want him as much as the WFT and have the assets to trump anything they offer.
Eagles Get:
Watson
Texans Get:
2022: RD1-1st, RD1-2nd, RD3
2023: RD1, RD2
2024: RD2
Tunsil:
There could be some teams quite hungry for a Pro Bowl LT to help their young QB investments. Again, the teams with the best draft position and highest need for a veteran LT who they might be hard pressed to find better at their position. I could see the Giants and Jets being the teams with the most desire to improve the OT position. The Giants could insert Tunsil at LT and move Thomas over to RT when he resumes playing. That could actually help a Daniel Jones whose actually having a better season that I would’ve expected. The Jets have already made their QB investment and have suddenly found 2 more in the process. The Jets really need to upgrade their blindside protection and may not want to risk breaking in a new LT. So, it’s 2 of the New York teams battling it out for the services of Tunsil and both would have valid reasons for adding him.
Giants Get:
Tunsil
Texans Get:
2022: RD1-#2, RD3-#2
2023: RD2
Cooks:
He’s proven to be a solid asset since he’s arrived in Houston. Watson reminded everyone in the NFL as to who Cooks could really be with a better QB throwing the ball. Funny, I think the Eagles could see the same thing and could decide to bring Watson in someone he’s comfortable with.
Eagles Get:
Cooks
2022 RD4
Texans Get:
2022 RD3, RD4
Projected 2022 Draft Picks:
RD1-02
RD1-06 (PHI)
RD1-07 (PHI < Colts) **Wentz Plays 75% or 70% & Colts Make Playoffs**
RD1-09 (NYG)
RD2-02-034
RD3-02-066
RD3-08-072 (PHI)
RD3-09-073 (NYG)
RD3-22-086 (NO) **Here or RD3 COMP Pick / Based On Saints Season….#86.**
RD4-28-130 (LAR)
RD5-02-144
RD6-02-181
RD6-11-190 (SF)
RD7-24-245 (DAL)
I could see the Dolphins or the Panthers being the main players for DW4. I honestly don’t know if if Watson will waive the no trade clause for WFT or Philly. I do think that we trade him to a team in the top 10, so I think that we’d gain 2 top 10 picks. With those picks I’d go with Hutchinson, Green, or one of the top CBs on the board.Now that there’s a better understanding as to why trading Watson, Tunsil, and Cooks could and/or should happen before the draft does anyone have any thoughts as to what these 3 players could realistically return, picks wise, to the Texans and who might be the suitors?
Watson:
I could see Miami, WFT, and Eagles being the players the Texans could have the most interest in since they might offer the best draft positioning in 2022. WFT absolutely needs a QB and there isn’t going to be one better than Watson over the next couple of seasons. The Eagles also want a QB knowing Hurts isn’t the answer and that they have the draft capital to make it interesting for Caserio. The problem, Watson has to waive his NTC to truly get these teams in the loop. The Dolphins has been the selected team all along only they’re starting to win and the more they win the further they move back in the draft process. The other consideration, it might mean that Tua is finally gaining his NFL footing meaning the Dolphins could decide to ride out his development process. If Miami falls out of the process……that eliminates Watson’s hold on his NTC. If Watson has any desire to play, it’ll either be for the Texans or the team that offers the next best deal. My guess, the Eagles want him as much as the WFT and have the assets to trump anything they offer.
Eagles Get:
Watson
Texans Get:
2022: RD1-1st, RD1-2nd, RD3
2023: RD1, RD2
2024: RD2
Tunsil:
There could be some teams quite hungry for a Pro Bowl LT to help their young QB investments. Again, the teams with the best draft position and highest need for a veteran LT who they might be hard pressed to find better at their position. I could see the Giants and Jets being the teams with the most desire to improve the OT position. The Giants could insert Tunsil at LT and move Thomas over to RT when he resumes playing. That could actually help a Daniel Jones whose actually having a better season that I would’ve expected. The Jets have already made their QB investment and have suddenly found 2 more in the process. The Jets really need to upgrade their blindside protection and may not want to risk breaking in a new LT. So, it’s 2 of the New York teams battling it out for the services of Tunsil and both would have valid reasons for adding him.
Giants Get:
Tunsil
Texans Get:
2022: RD1-#2, RD3-#2
2023: RD2
Cooks:
He’s proven to be a solid asset since he’s arrived in Houston. Watson reminded everyone in the NFL as to who Cooks could really be with a better QB throwing the ball. Funny, I think the Eagles could see the same thing and could decide to bring Watson in someone he’s comfortable with.
Eagles Get:
Cooks
2022 RD4
Texans Get:
2022 RD3, RD4
Projected 2022 Draft Picks:
RD1-02
RD1-06 (PHI)
RD1-07 (PHI < Colts) **Wentz Plays 75% or 70% & Colts Make Playoffs**
RD1-09 (NYG)
RD2-02-034
RD3-02-066
RD3-08-072 (PHI)
RD3-09-073 (NYG)
RD3-22-086 (NO) **Here or RD3 COMP Pick / Based On Saints Season….#86.**
RD4-28-130 (LAR)
RD5-02-144
RD6-02-181
RD6-11-190 (SF)
RD7-24-245 (DAL)
1.2 2600 points to NYG for 1.8 1400 + 1.9 1350 NYG select QB Pickett
DW to Eagles for 6 + 7 + 14
Tunsil to Dolphins for 1.10 + Xavien Howard
1.6 DE Aiden Hutchinson
1.7 QB Matt Corral
1.8 Saf Verone McKinley
1.9 LB Devin Lloyd
1.10 LT Charles Cross
1.14 Cb Roger McCreary opposite Howard
2.34 RB Kenneth Walker 5'10 210
3.66 RB Brian Robinson 6'1" 228
Why on earth would you want to move a pro bowl LT to the right side if you're going to keep Tunsil
I'm keeping Tunsil and building out the rest of the OL.
I might revisit moving Tunsil after the 2022 season. If anything Tunsil value should be obvious after watching the last few games. I really don't get the Tunsil needs to be traded crowd, they can only hope that a drafted LT will be as good as Tunsil.
As far as the cap goes there will be plenty of cap space available in 2023 even if they keep Tunsil.
I just don't get the love of draft picks. Give me players, particularly as many young pro bowl players as possible.
Didn’t Walker just get demolished this weekend by Hutchinson?Tua being a lefty makes his blind side the responsibility of the RT.
My desire to move Tunsil is b/c he is a pass blocker and less than desirable as a run blocker. He’s also a soft LT who likes to bend but not break. I’d rather use his money elsewhere since the rebuild would have finally kicked into full gear.
I’d prefer to develop a young LT in Rasheed Walker who has the credentials to both pass block and run block. His run blocking skills are strong and he plays the position with a very nasty demeanor…..something this OL needs badly.
Same could be said for OG- Kenyon Green, OG- Zion Johnson, and OC- Alec Lindstrom….they’re also known for bringing a nasty demeanor to the field of play. Want to change the culture of the Texans OL history……go get some tough nosed OL.
Didn’t Walker just get demolished this weekend by Hutchinson?
I’d love it if we got AH! He’s my #1 too.That’s why I also selected Hutchinson…..he’s going to do that to most OT’s he faces. AH has risen to being my first pick as he probably will on several other team boards. It doesn’t make Walker any less of a prospect b/c this would happen to the best of them.
I’d love it if we got AH! He’s my #1 too.
Why can't Texans pay the part of DWs 2022 base of $35 million that equals the amount of GTD $ the two round ones from NYG equal?
What? That doesn't work. The Texans could pay a portion of Watson's contract. But what's the point of all of this nonsense? Just trade the picks before the draft. Like every draft trade is made.
Tua being a lefty makes his blind side the responsibility of the RT.
My desire to move Tunsil is b/c he is a pass blocker and less than desirable as a run blocker. He’s also a soft LT who likes to bend but not break. I’d rather use his money elsewhere since the rebuild would have finally kicked into full gear.
I’d prefer to develop a young LT in Rasheed Walker who has the credentials to both pass block and run block. His run blocking skills are strong and he plays the position with a very nasty demeanor…..something this OL needs badly.
Same could be said for OG- Kenyon Green, OG- Zion Johnson, and OC- Alec Lindstrom….they’re also known for bringing a nasty demeanor to the field of play. Want to change the culture of the Texans OL history……go get some tough nosed OL.
I'm not thinking Tunsil is soft. I'm thinking when you are playing next to crap on the OL you're going look like crap and yet Tunsil is still making pro bowl. That should speak volumes.
I guess you didn't get to see Hutchinson abuse Walker last night. It was like a case of child abuse. Hutchinson was his daddy. I can only imagine what top level NFL guys would do to him.
I understand why you want to move tunsil to the right side but in my opinion he needs to stay at left if he goes to dolphins. If Eichenberg is not the guy at right tackle they can draft one in the second round perhaps Munford Ohio State?I could see the Tunsil going as you mentioned but if they hold onto Tua could Tunsil move to RT? I’d be good with #10 pick and the Howard side would probably make the money wash. I’ll adjust my picks and adding Howard certainly changes up the need factor early.
I know that you like Rasheed Walker and I considered him preseason but he is just not panning out. Suggest you re-evaluate and go another Direction. But that's just my two cents. The following link discusses him and other disappointments for the 2021 season.6, 7, & 72 (From Eagles) / 10 (Miami) + CB Xavien Howard (MIA) in trade for Tunsil / 86 (Saints) / 130 (Rams) / 190 (From 49'ers) / 245 (Cowboys)
Projected 2022 Draft Picks:
RD1-02: DE- Aidan Hutchinson (Michigan)
RD1-06 (PHI): SS- Kyle Hamilton (Notre Dame)
RD1-07 (PHI < Colts): OG- Kenyon Green (Texas A&M)
RD1-10 (MIA): OT- Rasheed Walker (Penn St)
RD2-02-034: OG- Zion Johnson (Boston College)
RD3-02-066: CB- Garrett Williams (Syracuse)
RD3-08-072 (PHI): OC- Alec Lindstrom (Boston College)
RD3-22-086 (NO): FS- Lewis Cine (Georgia)
RD4-28-130 (LAR): RB- Tyler Allgeier (BYU)
RD5-02-144: RB- Sincere McCormick (UTSA)
RD6-02-181: LB- Jack Sanborn (Wisconsin)
RD6-11-190 (SF): ST- Marcus Jones (Houston)
RD7-24-245 (DAL): WR- Dontario Drummond (Mississippi)
Then move along...Geez, are you bothering to read the posts? I said earlier the Texans could pay Watson's salary? That's is not what you wrote initially.
Continue to make up stuff that is never going to happen. No one will stop you.
I know that you like Rasheed Walker and I considered him preseason but he is just not panning out. Suggest you re-evaluate and go another Direction. But that's just my two cents. The following link discusses him and other disappointments for the 2021 season.
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Trevor Penning seems to get the same PR that Robert Hunt did when he came out. I just think we could do better at pick that we trade down for.I think, if the Texans held the #10 pick…they might be in a position to trade back…..not to far but far enough to pick LT- Trevor Penning (Northern Iowa). He’s been on my list but I just couldn’t come to moving him to #10 in the draft, but there’s no way he’d be sitting at the 34th pick either.
I think, if the Texans held the #10 pick…they might be in a position to trade back…..not to far but far enough to pick LT- Trevor Penning (Northern Iowa). He’s been on my list but I just couldn’t come to moving him to #10 in the draft, but there’s no way he’d be sitting at the 34th pick either.
Trevor Penning seems to get the same PR that Robert Hunt did when he came out. I just think we could do better at pick that we trade down for.
I was considering trade downs for all of my recently posted mock last night but ended up going to bed at midnight without any result. I don't want just a bunch of pics but extremely high-quality players.
That OL would have killer potential!I’ve reconsidered my #10 pick of Walker (Penn St) and have decided to justify my gut feeling and additional input of Badboy and steelb.
I want Trevor Penning at #7 and my justification……after the Combine and his Pro Day, he may have played and performed his way into being considered the best or one of the top three LT’s entering the draft. My OL Mock selections would then be:
#07. LT- Trevor Penning (Iowa State)
#10. RG- Kenyon Green (Texas A&M)
#34. LG- Zion Johnson (Boston College)
#74. OC- Alec Lindstrom (Boston College)
It may pay huge dividends for a young OL if the Texans had a chance to pair the two interior linemen from Boston College at the next level.
That OL would have killer potential!