BADBOY's 2019 offseason FA, trade possibilities and draft thoughts

[JB]

13 is too high for Greedy.

Is it too high for Jonah?

I wouldn't like that trade in either case

 

[infantrycak]

Is it too high for Jonah?

I wouldn't like that trade in either case

It's closer with Williams. I wouldn't either.

 

[JB]

It's closer with Williams. I wouldn't either.

I assume you mean Jonah? They are both Williams but very different

 

[steelbtexan]

It's closer with Williams. I wouldn't either.

I like Jonah alot.

His best football is ahead of him. IMHO

 

[infantrycak]

I assume you mean Jonah? They are both Williams but very different

Sorry, yes Jonah.

 

[badboy]

He's got 4,400 followers so take it with a grain of salt


I have heard that the #Texans are looking to move up to secure CB Greedy Williams or OT Jonah Williams. The #Dolphins are the perfect trading partner. Miami sends pick 13 to Houston for 23 and 55. Perfect for both teams.

— Neal Driscoll (@NealDriscoll) April 10, 2019


I mocked this trade in my Draft Guide which you can view https://t.co/mk3P1cZlXF https://t.co/NiNxTvamwy

— Neal Driscoll (@NealDriscoll) April 10, 2019

He seems out of touch as Greedy has been dropping for weeks and has been mocked for some time at 23 so doubt much of trade up for him occurs. Some myself included have mocked Clowney to mid round team but I don't see any rumors of Miami interest. At trade up from 23 for Jonah while poss doesn't seem likely due to cost and Texans needing so much.

 

[santo]

I hope the Texans don’t trade one of their second round picks. Maybe they can trade with the Patriots and get extra picks.

 

[Wolf12339]

I don't see the wisdom in trading up in the draft and losing premium picks when have so many holes on the O-line and at CB. One player on the Line is not going to be a big enough upgrade to lose 2 starters.

Dillard or Jonah Williams is not worth Cody ford and Tytus Howard, or Dalton Risen and Greg Little.

 

[badboy]

Each draft some pick or trade makes me scratch my head and go
Huh? Hopefully this year there will be at least one above #23 that benefits Texans. Perhaps a QB, DB or OLineman not predicted in round one perhaps even round two will go top 22 forcing really good player down to us. I see this even more likely before us in round two. Your thoughts/suggestion?

 

[Texansphan]

Each draft some pick or trade makes me scratch my head and go
Huh? Hopefully this year there will be at least one above #23 that benefits Texans. Perhaps a QB, DB or OLineman not predicted in round one perhaps even round two will go top 22 forcing really good player down to us. I see this even more likely before us in round two. Your thoughts/suggestion?

Jags can do some surprising things.

 

[badboy]

Jags can do some surprising things.

Agree, Jawuaan Taylor amazing specimen and good right tackle but I would trade down, maybe still get him plus picks. I like Cody Ford and Scharping much later if they leave Jonah on the board for us. Used to depend on Browns and Raiders for head scratching moves but now?

 

[zshawn10]

CBS Sports 2019 NFL Draft: Setting Round 1 over/unders for each position

The draft is, finally, less than two weeks away, and things are starting to come into focus. Well, at least somewhat. Teams are deep into their predraft meetings, pouring over each position group as they set the boards for the final time. (Well, final time unless one night the owner and general manager or coach decide that they prefer a particular player over another, in which case things have a mysterious way of moving around.) But by and large, that process is going on with all 32 teams, before executives come up for air the Monday of the draft and start talking trade in earnest. As many of you probably know by now, I don’t partake in mock draft madness until the morning of the first round, when I will begrudgingly publish one. But I will take a few different cracks at sizing up the draft from a numerical standpoint. And today’s exercise will take a positional look at that first round and how it might play out.
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Specifically, this will set an over/under on my projections for the number of players selected at each position group. As you might expect, it is very heavy on the defensive line/edge guys, and a little light on the dudes who are about to start catching balls for a living, and the dudes who will be employed to cover them. That’s not the strength of this draft, and there will surely be a run on receivers and corners between, say, picks 25-50, but there aren’t too many of them who you would hear scouts absolutely, positively guarantee are going hear their name called in the first 32 picks. With that in mind, here is a look at where I would set the number on how many players at each position are likely to go in the first round.

Quarterbacks: 3.5
Ultimately, the value associated with taking a QB in the late first round — and getting that fifth-year option on them — will probably lead to a seeing four come off the board in Round 1. Kyler Murray (Oklahoma) is going first overall to Arizona, and Drew Lock (Missouri) and Dwayne Haskins (Ohio State) will end up going somewhere in the first half of the first round. Would I be shocked if Daniel Jones (Duke) was gone by pick 17 to the Giants, depending on how the board falls? Nope. But I could also project several scenarios where he isn’t selected in the first round at all.

Running backs: 1
Yes, two could end up being selected. Wouldn’t be a shock — but I also wouldn’t bet on it. Josh Jacobs (Alabama) is best of the breed, and he is too clean with too much value there not to go on Day 1. After that, things get murky. There are several impact players at this position group, but teams generally want to do their RB business on Friday.

Wide receivers: 1.5
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder here, big time. Good luck getting anybody to agree on who the top three are, let alone the top five or six. I could certainly envision some scenarios where only one is selected in the top 32 picks, and then a slew come off the board quickly on Friday. Marquise Brown (Oklahoma) is the guy I’d put money on going in the top 32, and a few peers like D.K. Metcalf (Mississippi), Hakeem Butler (Iowa State) or N’Keal Harry (Arizona State) could join him. I just wouldn’t bank on which one in which spot.

Tight ends: 3
The Big Three are fairly obvious here, and that’s probably where the music stops for tight ends in the first round. The two Iowa prospects, Noah Fant and T.J. Hockenson, have legit top-10 buzz, and Irv Smith (Alabama) is very highly regarded as well.

Offensive linemen: 6
History tells us this is a position that teams go to early, especially in the back end of the first round. This isn’t the sexiest group of tackles by a long shot, but there appears to be good value in the interior spots. I wouldn’t be surprised if six or more of them go from the likes of: Jawaan Taylor (Florida), Jonah Williams(Alabama), Andre Dillard(Washington State), Cody Ford (Oklahoma), Garrett Bradbury (NC State), Erik McCoy (Texas A&M), Greg Little (Mississippi), and Dalton Risner (Kansas State).

Edge rushers: 6.5
The strength of this draft will become very obvious quickly in Round 1. The frenzy for pass rush will be fast and furious. Nick Bosa (Ohio State), Josh Allen(Kentucky), Montez Sweat (Miss State), Rashan Gary (Michigan), Clelin Ferrell(Clemson) and Brian Burns (Florida State) look like locks to me, and someone like Jaylon Ferguson (Louisiana Tech) could be in that mix, too.

Defensive tackles: 5.5
Ultimately, it may be a half dozen or more, but I’d set the bar here. I have a hard time scribbling out mock-draft scenarios that don’t involve at least these five tackles going: Ed Oliver (Houston), Quinnen Williams (Alabama), Christian Wilkins (Clemson), Dexter Lawrence (Clemson), and Jeffery Simmons (Miss State). And there are at least a couple of others you could make the case for.

Linebackers: 2
This is another spot that is very much as cut and dry as it seems. There are two studs, and both are going in the first half of the first round, most likely — Devin White (LSU) and Devin Bush (Michigan).

Cornerbacks: 2.5
This is like the receiver group, as assessments are all over the place, which much debate on how these careers will play out. At least a couple would seemingly have to go in the top 32, but I’d have a hard time projecting the order right now. Greedy Williams (LSU), Byron Murphy (Washington), Deandre Baker(Georgia) and Rock Ya-Sin (Temple) are the corners I hear the most buzz about, and maybe they all end up going Day 1. But, again, I can’t bank on it, and neither can most GMs.

Safeties: 0.5
I almost set this at zero, because I have a hard time telling you which kid a team would absolutely select in the first 32 picks. Maybe it’s Taylor Rapp(Washington), Deionte Thompson (Alabama) or Chauncey Gardner-Johnson(Florida) if you are looking for more of a box safety. But I do continue to hear that Darnell Savage (Maryland) is rising up boards.

 

[zshawn10]

Yahoo Sports Bust-proof: Here are 8 of the safest prospects in the 2019 NFL draft

The great Louis Riddick once said that when you hear a draft guru state that a player is "the safest" pick, it actually means "everyone else likes him, so if he stinks, it wasn’t my evaluation — it was the player." Ever since Riddick, an NFL analyst for ESPN, said this in 2015, I haven’t stopped thinking about it whenever I ponder the "safest" players in the upcoming NFL draft. So as I compiled this list, I did so with zero fear about being wrong. There are no cop-outs here; this is about doing research, looking at key indicators and determining which players will almost assuredly turn into quality NFL contributors.

I did so based on the four factors NFL teams use to assess players: their college tape, athletic testing, football character and medical concerns. Every player below passed each threshold enough to make them safe bets for their projected draft rounds. You’ll notice there are no quarterbacks on the list below. That’s by design, and not indicative of how I feel about this year’s QB crop. Their success is too reliant upon their coaching staff and supporting cast to call any of them "bust-proof" before seeing where they land. Here we go — eight of the safest prospects in the 2019 NFL draft:

WR A.J. Brown, Mississippi
For all the attention that Brown’s teammate at Mississippi — fellow receiver D.K. Metcalf — drew at the NFL scouting combine for his cartoonish combination of muscle and speed, it’s the 6-foot, 226-pound Brown who is the better football player, and it’s not particularly close. During their three years together in Oxford, Brown was far more durable — playing in 34 of 36 possible games compared to Metcalf’s 21 — and productive. Brown has served as the Rebels’ undisputed No. 1 receiver the past two seasons, with his stellar 2018, when he broke his own school record with 1,320 receiving yards on 85 catches. Brown made a living in the slot, where he repeatedly outfought opponents for 50/50 balls, showed an advanced feel for route running and displayed strong, reliable hands and ball-tracking ability. Throw in the fact that he tested as a solidly above-average athlete for his position during the pre-draft process, and his particular set of skills should allow him to consistently win in the slot in the NFL, no matter where he lands.
Projection: Round 1

TE T.J. Hockenson, Iowa
Hockenson has it all. When the 6-foot-5, 251-pounder tested as an elite athlete for the position, it was music to the ears of many tight end-needy teams in the first round, all of whom had already fallen in love with him because of his college tape. Hockenson is a tough run blocker who has been well-schooled in that area, but he shined as a pass catcher, where he showed off his ball skills and route-running. Among the highest of praises he has received among draftniks: NFL Network analyst Daniel Jeremiah said Hockenson plays similar to future Hall of Famer Rob Gronkowski.
Projection: Top 20

OG/C Garrett Bradbury, North Carolina State
Everyone in the NFL loves him. At 6-3 and 306 pounds, he’s the ideal size for a center. Plus, he’s strong — his 34 reps on the bench tied for the second-highest among combine participants — and he’s an above-average athlete (he was the most athletic center at the combine). Throw in the fact he’s smart and reliable — he started all 39 of the Wolfpack’s games the past three seasons — and it’s no wonder he could go higher than the draft ceiling for most centers, which is the second half of the first round.
Projection: Round 1

DT Christian Wilkins, Clemson
Wilkins’ football character is exceptional, and there are zero concerns as it relates to injury (he played 44 of 44 possible games for Clemson the past three seasons) or athleticism (he was a solid tester). Wilkins, a two-time team captain, has four seasons of consistent production behind his name, making him a very safe first-round pick who will contribute immediately.
Projection: Round 1

OT/OG Dalton Risner, Kansas State
He didn’t blow anyone away with his athleticism during the pre-draft testing process, which might keep him out of the first round. But Risner, by and large, is an average NFLathlete for his position who could lure a team into picking him in the first round with his combination of toughness, intelligence, core strength, durability and versatility. A 6-5, 312-pound four-year starter for the Wildcats, Risner started at center and right tackle and his nasty demeanor — no one plays beyond the whistle like this guy — and overall strength projects well at guard, too. Risner was also a rock in pass protection, regularly snuffing out the rushes of all but the most elite prospects (like Mississippi State’s Montez Sweat). Even if he can’t hack it at tackle — and don’t bet against him — there’s no chance he doesn’t become a quality starter inside.
Projection: Top 50

EDGE Chase Winovich, Michigan
The 6-3, 256-pound Winovich stands out on tape as someone who plays his tail off. His football character is outstanding — he played hurt late in the season at Michigan and also played in the bowl game when he didn’t have to — but his production and athleticism will win talent evaluators over. In his two years as a starter, Winovich racked up a total of 146 tackles (35 for loss) and 13 sacks, and his eye-popping 4.59 40-yard dash was indicative of the above-average athleticism he displayed during the pre-draft process. Winovich is in love with football, and any 3-4 team that drafts him knows what it will get — a hard worker with ability who is going to make an impact no matter what role he’s given.
Projection: Top 50

CB Julian Love, Notre Dame
Entering the pre-draft process, the only knock on Love — who checks in at 5-11, 195 — was his long speed, and he actually improved the respectable 4.54 40-yard dash that he ran at the combine by posting a 4.49 at his pro day. Love may not be a great athlete but he’s a good one, and when you add that to his terrific coverage ability (he possesses above average instincts, hips and feet) and production — he posted 63 tackles, an interception and 16 pass breakups as a junior — he’s a safe projection and immediate starter as a nickel or outside corner.
Projection: Rounds 2-3

RB Damien Harris, Alabama
It’s crazy to think Harris — formerly the No. 1 prep senior running back in the country who played at college football’s greatest football factory — could be considered underrated. But he probably is, thanks to the comparative brilliance of fellow Crimson Tide running back (and projected first-round pick) Josh Jacobs. While Jacobs has the make-you-miss flash of a Porsche, the 5-10, 216-pound Harris brings the steady consistency of your favorite mid-sized SUV. He’s not going to break off a ton of long runs, but he will pass protect his butt off and secure the football (zero fumbles the past two years). He averaged about 1,000 yards the past three seasons and he also catches the ball reasonably well, so any team that gets Harris on the second day of the draft will be happy.
Projection: Round 3

 

[badboy]

I don't see the wisdom in trading up in the draft and losing premium picks when have so many holes on the O-line and at CB. One player on the Line is not going to be a big enough upgrade to lose 2 starters.

Dillard or Jonah Williams is not worth Cody ford and Tytus Howard, or Dalton Risen and Greg Little.

Jonah is definitely worth any combo of Tytus, Dalton or Little as he is best technician on board at either OT/OG and was scheduled to play his senior year for Alabama at center. Setting Dillard aside for moment, no guarantee that the other three can beat out our current starters. Howard whom I like is not expected to be a starter until 2020 at earliest. The only other two who might beat out Jonah at RT are Taylor, Ford and Scharping but only the latter has any recent time at LT. Also just my two cents, Ford could be available early second if we do a trade bringing that area into our range. For our needs this could be very good draft.

 

[badboy]

Earlier in the season head coach Jon Gruden managed to trade away Khalil Mack to the Chicago Bears. The trade made fans really consider if hiring him along with that huge contract was the right decision. The trade also seemed to have marked a question as to rather or not Gruden’s leadership and decision making as a coach is superb as many may think. The Raiders by far is one of the worst ranked defenses in the league right now. They’ve only managed to total 13 sacks this season, which is beyond pitiful. But it does not seem to get any better for the Raiders as time progress and trading for a guy like Clowney could make up for everything else Gruden has seemed to screw up thus far.

Staying consistent has been a major problem to the teams failure. Putting pressure on the quarterback is a key point for the Lions, as they have allowed 22.5 points per game, which ranked 16th in the NFL. According to Pro Football Focus the Lions front seven was ranked second to last in the league. Clowney’s versatility and remarkable leadership could make a huge impact right away for the Lions.

for both : https://texanswire.usatoday.com/2019/03/09/3-teams-trade-texans-jadeveon-clowney/

 

[badboy]

Gaine may try and pull off a trade that would see Clowney being moved for picks and the Texans could try to move up beyond their 23rd overall placement in the first round. Trading Clowney to the Oakland Raiders, who need a pass rusher after dealing Khalil Mack, would make sense. Oakland also has the capital to be a partner as it has three first-round picks, including No. 4 overall along with 24th and 27th.

That’s enough ammunition to be in the talks for Clowney. No, obviously the Raiders won’t deal all three picks to the Texans, but what if the Raiders trade that fourth overall pick and No. 27 for Clowney and the Texans’ 23rd? That would still leave Oakland with back-to-back picks at 23rd and 24th overall, giving their roster a nice, flavorful mix of Pro Bowl talent in receiver Antonio Brown and Clowney, while also adding talented youngsters.

This would ultimately give the Texans the fourth overall pick and No. 27, while still maintaining their two consecutive second-round picks at 54th and 55th overall. Making that kind of trade would in return give the Texans plenty of opportunities to draft a defensive back like Greedy Williams from LSU or an offensive lineman in Jawaan Williams out of Florida.

https://texanswire.usatoday.com/2019/04/11/texans-trading-jadeveon-clowney-raiders-sense-both-teams/

I posted something similar earlier trading #23 and Clowney. RE this article #4 = 1800 and #27 680= 2480.
Texans #23 = 760. 2480- 760 = 1720 value for CLowney. Again I know this is just talk but interesting discussion imo.

 

[Lucky]

Trading Clowney to the Oakland Raiders, who need a pass rusher after dealing Khalil Mack, would make sense.

It would make sense for the Texans. What sense would it make for the Raiders? Can't they just take an edge rusher at #4 and pay him a rookie deal. And not $100+ million?

What I really like is the author poo-pooing Clowney's value for receiving a $100 million dollar deal, but it is worth the 4th overall pick. What???

 

[IDEXAN]

Each draft some pick or trade makes me scratch my head and go
Huh? Hopefully this year there will be at least one above #23 that benefits Texans. Perhaps a QB, DB or OLineman not predicted in round one perhaps even round two will go top 22 forcing really good player down to us. I see this even more likely before us in round two. Your thoughts/suggestion?

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http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...s-trade-up-to-no-14-to-draft-marcus-davenport
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The Saints on Thursday night swung a trade with the Packers -- rising from No. 27 to No. 14 overall -- to grab edge rusher Marcus Davenport. To complete the deal, New Orleans agreed to give up this year's fifth-rounder (No. 147) and next year's first-round selection.
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You mean like the Saints going all-in for edge rusher Marcus Davenport in last years Draft by investing their 2018 & 2019 first round picks ?
I'm still scratching my head over that decision but wonder how much our GM would give up this month for Dillard or Williams or whoever he likes the best at LT ?
Thing is though protecting the franchise QB's backside would seem to be atleast as important as adding a stud pass-rusher to a teams defensive arsenal.

 

[CloakNNNdagger]

He's got 4,400 followers so take it with a grain of salt


I have heard that the #Texans are looking to move up to secure CB Greedy Williams or OT Jonah Williams. The #Dolphins are the perfect trading partner. Miami sends pick 13 to Houston for 23 and 55. Perfect for both teams.

— Neal Driscoll (@NealDriscoll) April 10, 2019


I mocked this trade in my Draft Guide which you can view https://t.co/mk3P1cZlXF https://t.co/NiNxTvamwy

— Neal Driscoll (@NealDriscoll) April 10, 2019

I read and hear about Williams being an NFL OG because of his "short arms," despite the fact that it has repeatedly been shown that shorter arm length does not preclude OT (LT or RT) success.

From one older article that covers this subject.:
https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/does-arm-length-affect-ot-play
Does Arm Length Affect OT Play?
BY NATE WASHUTA • AUG 6, 2013

 

[Max]

If things don't work out at tackle, he could always drive an Audi.

 

[badboy]

Just for fun and I like doing it some possible trades if anything to recent discussion on Bills and Lions offering firsts for Clowney. .

Clowney to Bills for 1.9 [1350] + 4.131 [41] = 1391 Step 2 we trade #9 to Raiders who want trade Carr and select Haskins.

TXNS get 1.24 [740] +1.27 [680] + 2.35 [550]= 1970. Mocks have Giants #6 [1600] taking Haskins and Bengals #11 [1250] so not impossible for team that can still get Q Williams [some say #1 overall] @ 6, Haskins @ 9 Raiders and still get #17 from Giants for Carr over Daniel Jones whom I have going to Washington.
Most mocks have QB Murray #1 then Lock at #10 Denver.

Round 1.1 Kyler Murray 1.4 Raiders Quennen Williams 1.6 Giants Rashan Gary or best dline avail 1.9 Raiders Haskins 1.10 QB Lock Denver 1.15 Wash Qb Daniel Jones 1.17 Raidrs from Giants for Carr 1.23 Houston Jonah Williams 1.24 Houston [from Oak] CB Greedy Williams 1.27 [from Oak]Cody Ford 2.35 [from Oak] DT/DE Zach Allen 2.54 CB Julian Love 2.55 DE edge rush Jaylon Ferguson (17.5 sacks) 3.86 RB or best safety 4.131 opposite of 3.86.

 

[TheRealJoker]

I read and hear about Williams being an NFL OG because of his "short arms," despite the fact that it has repeatedly been shown that shorter arm length does not preclude OT (LT or RT) success.

From one older article that covers this subject.:
Does Arm Length Affect OT Play?
BY NATE WASHUTA • AUG 6, 2013

The best LT of this era Joe Thomas had 32 1/2” arms. Our best RT in franchise history Eric Winston was a t rex. Jonah Williams would be great for the Texans!

 

[badboy]

It would make sense for the Texans. What sense would it make for the Raiders? Can't they just take an edge rusher at #4 and pay him a rookie deal. And not $100+ million?

What I really like is the author poo-pooing Clowney's value for receiving a $100 million dollar deal, but it is worth the 4th overall pick. What???

Agree on the bold; silly comment but all this talk about 100 million dollars means little as you know, it's about guarantee and how it's worded. Many GTD deals as I've posted before like Gurley's IIRC and a proposed but not accepted deal for Le'veon Bell had "GTD $" that was probably not attainable due to rolling to future seasons. I understand what JD wants but think he will agree to a very good but not astronomical deal. I think Raiders would be wise to sign #4 DT Quennen Williams [replaces Hurst] and Clowney [replaces Josh Mauro]for an OLB/DE threat as he plays now.

RDE Clowney LDT Q. Williams DTNose Hankins with Key in an OLB role.

 

[badboy]

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http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...s-trade-up-to-no-14-to-draft-marcus-davenport
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The Saints on Thursday night swung a trade with the Packers -- rising from No. 27 to No. 14 overall -- to grab edge rusher Marcus Davenport. To complete the deal, New Orleans agreed to give up this year's fifth-rounder (No. 147) and next year's first-round selection.
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You mean like the Saints going all-in for edge rusher Marcus Davenport in last years Draft by investing their 2018 & 2019 first round picks ?
I'm still scratching my head over that decision but wonder how much our GM would give up this month for Dillard or Williams or whoever he likes the best at LT ?
Thing is though protecting the franchise QB's backside would seem to be atleast as important as adding a stud pass-rusher to a teams defensive arsenal.

yes a good example but I think CLowney should be our ticket to Jonah and another pick.

 

[badboy]

Based on theory that draft goes 1.1 Nick Bosa 1.2 Josh Allen 1.3 Quennen Williams or some variance of this leaving Raiders with need for Clowney at #4. I get that most think JD not worth 1800 but is he worth 1450 and include 2.55 350 = 1800? This fits with Mayock wanting second round range and more picks. If so would we keep #4 or trade down to still get Jonah and other picks?

 

[JB]

Based on theory that draft goes 1.1 Nick Bosa 1.2 Josh Allen 1.3 Quennen Williams or some variance of this leaving Raiders with need for Clowney at #4. I get that most think JD not worth 1800 but is he worth 1450 and include 2.55 350 = 1800? This fits with Mayock wanting second round range and more picks. If so would we keep #4 or trade down to still get Jonah and other picks?

In that scenario I think trade down if possible, maybe a couple of times, and then take highest rated player at position of need

 

[badboy]

In that scenario I think trade down if possible, maybe a couple of times, and then take highest rated player at position of need

good point but when I do that the possible loss of Jonah WIlliams becomes a risk. I'm leaning more to a trade to Bills for #9 and 3.74. I think Greedy good chance being there at #23 and if not corners are deep so a better risk for me to take. Giants could be interested in #9 but I want more than #17 and even then Jonah could be gone. 17 [950]and 2.37 (530)= 1480 point wise is too much but Giants might do that if they want a QB and come to feel QB not at #17. I like that but no way to guarantee Jonah at 17 and I want him. Maybe I need to start preparing trades with understanding he will be gone.

 

[JB]

good point but when I do that the possible loss of Jonah WIlliams becomes a risk. I'm leaning more to a trade to Bills for #9 and 3.74. I think Greedy good chance being there at #23 and if not corners are deep so a better risk for me to take. Giants could be interested in #9 but I want more than #17 and even then Jonah could be gone. 17 [950]and 2.37 (530)= 1480 point wise is too much but Giants might do that if they want a QB and come to feel QB not at #17. I like that but no way to guarantee Jonah at 17 and I want him. Maybe I need to start preparing trades with understanding he will be gone.

The reason I said best available is that we don't know that the Texans have Jonah rated that high. Maybe they prefer Dillard or even Oliver or Wilkins in the first. They need to take the highest rated player they can on their particular board

 

[badboy]

first the talk was lucky to get a third or fourth for JD then grab a second if offered now there's talk (yes it's only talk but so is everything on this MB) of 8 or 9 and most recently a suggestion of #4 in a mix for our 23. Maybe none of it's true and if it is none may happen, still it seems others think there are possibilities. most anticipation I've had in years.

 

[OptimisticTexan]

Just for fun and I like doing it some possible trades if anything to recent discussion on Bills and Lions offering firsts for Clowney. .

Clowney to Bills for 1.9 [1350] + 4.131 [41] = 1391 Step 2 we trade #9 to Raiders who want trade Carr and select Haskins.

TXNS get 1.24 [740] +1.27 [680] + 2.35 [550]= 1970. Mocks have Giants #6 [1600] taking Haskins and Bengals #11 [1250] so not impossible for team that can still get Q Williams [some say #1 overall] @ 6, Haskins @ 9 Raiders and still get #17 from Giants for Carr over Daniel Jones whom I have going to Washington.
Most mocks have QB Murray #1 then Lock at #10 Denver.

Round 1.1 Kyler Murray 1.4 Raiders Quennen Williams 1.6 Giants Rashan Gary or best dline avail 1.9 Raiders Haskins 1.10 QB Lock Denver 1.15 Wash Qb Daniel Jones 1.17 Raidrs from Giants for Carr 1.23 Houston Jonah Williams 1.24 Houston [from Oak] CB Greedy Williams 1.27 [from Oak]Cody Ford 2.35 [from Oak] DT/DE Zach Allen 2.54 CB Julian Love 2.55 DE edge rush Jaylon Ferguson (17.5 sacks) 3.86 RB or best safety 4.131 opposite of 3.86.

If Raiders were to put Carr on the market.....I could see NE making a play for Carr, who would get a season behind Brady who I think will hang up his cleats after the 2019 season.

 

[OptimisticTexan]

I might differ on my move but for certain, if the Lions or Bills want Clowney for their 8 or 9 pick....I'm in. As for the LT I'd prefer, I really like Dillard b/c he possesses all the size, length and pass blocking ability to step in right away. Not to mention he's never been forecasted as an OG, he's been a OT from the start. I also like the fact he's got pass blocking down and only needs to improve his run blocking skills which I think is easier than the other way around.

I think Williams would require the 8 or 9 pick whereas Dillard could be had a little later while gaining an additional pick in the process.

 

[infantrycak]

If Raiders were to put Carr on the market.....I could see NE making a play for Carr, who would get a season behind Brady who I think will hang up his cleats after the 2019 season.

If Brady were having any thoughts of imminent retirement he'd most likely be gone now after winning the SB.

Why would Belichick have any particular interest in Carr?

Why would NE want a $20 mil backup for seasoning a 6th year vet? That's $47 mil in QB for 2019, 25% of the cap for 2 players 1 of which won't play. And they are $4 mil short on cap space currently.

 

[JB]

If Brady were having any thoughts of imminent retirement he'd most likely be gone now after winning the SB.

Why would Belichick have any particular interest in Carr?

Why would NE want a $20 mil backup for seasoning a 6th year vet? That's $47 mil in QB for 2019, 25% of the cap for 2 players 1 of which won't play. And they are $4 mil short on cap space currently.

Not BB's style... he usually drafts a QB every few years just in case. They currently have Hoyer and Etling for a cap hit of $3.5M

May add another rookie to push them both but doubtful

 

[JB]

repeat

 

[infantrycak]

Not BB's style... he usually drafts a QB every few years just in case. They currently have Hoyer and Etling for a cap hit of $3.5M

May add another rookie to push them both but doubtful

I think they'll draft another QB fairly high. Since 2011 they have been spending more in draft stock until Etling - 2011 3rd Mallett, 2014 2nd Garoppolo, 2016 3rd Brissett. They're due for another 2nd or 3rd. Etling was on the PS last season.

 

[OptimisticTexan]

If Brady were having any thoughts of imminent retirement he'd most likely be gone now after winning the SB.

Why would Belichick have any particular interest in Carr?

Why would NE want a $20 mil backup for seasoning a 6th year vet? That's $47 mil in QB for 2019, 25% of the cap for 2 players 1 of which won't play. And they are $4 mil short on cap space currently.

If Raiders were to draft Haskins where would that put Carr? Secondly, if the Raiders draft Haskins what would Carr's value be after the draft? If the Raiders were to make Carr available before the draft, which teams would be making a run for him?

 

[JB]

I think they'll draft another QB fairly high. Since 2011 they have been spending more in draft stock until Etling - 2011 3rd Mallett, 2014 2nd Garoppolo, 2016 3rd Brissett. They're due for another 2nd or 3rd. Etling was on the PS last season.

I don't see one high. They have to replace Flowers and Brown and possibly McCourty. They also need WR depth

 

[infantrycak]

I don't see one high. They have to replace Flowers and Brown and possibly McCourty. They also need WR depth

I'm not saying 1st although that is 32nd, but they have lots of stock in the 1st 3 rounds. 1.32, 2.56, 2.64, 3.73, 3.97, 3.101.

They drafted Isaiah Wynn 1.23 last year and he should be recovered from the achilles tear that kept him out last season (injured 2nd preseason game).

 

[JB]

I'm not saying 1st although that is 32nd, but they have lots of stock in the 1st 3 rounds. 1.32, 2.56, 2.64, 3.73, 3.97, 3.101.

They drafted Isaiah Wynn 1.23 last year and he should be recovered from the achilles tear that kept him out last season (injured 2nd preseason game).

OK, the first 3 rounds are the only high picks imo

 

[Lucky]

If the Raiders were to make Carr available before the draft, which teams would be making a run for him?

I don't know if any team would make a run at Carr this late. Every QB situation is pretty much settled, other than finding young QBs to develop. Carr has a $20 mil guaranteed contract for 2019. That would be hard to move, even with minimal compensation. If Gruden and Mayock wanted to move Carr, they needed to work hard on it at the start of the league year. Too late now.

 

[JB]

I don't know if any team would make a run at Carr this late. Every QB situation is pretty much settled, other than finding young QBs to develop. Carr has a $20 mil guaranteed contract for 2019. That would be hard to move, even with minimal compensation. If Gruden and Mayock wanted to move Carr, they needed to work hard on it at the start of the league year. Too late now.

But pipe dreams continue

 

[CloakNNNdagger]

I'm not saying 1st although that is 32nd, but they have lots of stock in the 1st 3 rounds. 1.32, 2.56, 2.64, 3.73, 3.97, 3.101.

They drafted Isaiah Wynn 1.23 last year and he should be recovered from the achilles tear that kept him out last season (injured 2nd preseason game).

Wynn is likely to be quite limited this season. For those that are fortunate enough to come back to near pre-injury performance level, it is extremely unusual to occur before the 2nd year back. He will have an especially difficult time in his comeback in that he plays RT......and his LEFT Achilles repaired foot is his push off foot for outside pass protection (the same situation that overloaded and caused the rupture of his Achilles).

 

[steelbtexan]

Wynn is likely to be quite limited this season. For those that are fortunate enough to come back to near pre-injury performance level, it is extremely unusual to occur before the 2nd year back. He will have an especially difficult time in his comeback in that he plays RT......and his LEFT Achilles repaired foot is his push off foot for outside pass protection.

I think they have Wynn slated to play LT.

Your point stands though.

 

[CloakNNNdagger]

I think they have Wynn slated to play LT.

Your point stands though.

With run blocking, you need TWO strong Achilles (and calf muscles).

 

[badboy]

If Raiders were to put Carr on the market.....I could see NE making a play for Carr, who would get a season behind Brady who I think will hang up his cleats after the 2019 season.

I thought about that but don't think NE will pay enough. They have 1.32 + 2.56 + 2.64 and three in third, having said that, it is what Mayock recently said he liked in draft. I'm not sure Gruden would want to go with a rookie when he already has to eat the $27.4 million dead; might keep Carr and allow rookie to snap in. *If Mayock made a deal with PATs, that would offer even better picks for Clowney for us to consider plus having more picks he might be even more of a mindset to move more than I expect. Just my opinion but Carr is worth at least what JD is and would be great in NE offense and would set up PATs for longevity at QB.
edit:

The good news is the Raiders can still get the pre-Feb. 6 break on Carr — $7.5 million in dead money, $15 million in cap savings — if they find a trade partner for him. So the question turns to the potential compensation for him in personnel commodities.

http://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/...rs-options-with-qb/1jeoa2id99e6u13k69vikjkgdc

 

[KoolAid Sipper]

Badboy, I'm posting this in your thread since I didn't see another place for it and you seem to be fond of discussing lots of trade possibilities (I like the discussions). For Clowney to be dealt to the Raiders, assuming he signs the franchise tender and agrees to a sign and trade deal, could they afford the guaranteed money to his liking with the current contracts they just signed and the commitments they already have? I'm asking because I believe all guaranteed money has to be placed in escrow and weren't the Raiders in cash flow trouble in recent years?

 

[badboy]

Badboy, I'm Last year, there were reports that cash flow concerns were driving the trade for Khalil Mack, so this is not the first time this has come up recently. Davis did pay a lot of cash to get Jon Gruden, though, and they just paid out on Brown and Brown. this in your thread since I didn't see another place for it and you seem to be fond of discussing lots of trade possibilities (I like the discussions). For Clowney to be dealt to the Raiders, assuming he signs the franchise tender and agrees to a sign and trade deal, could they afford the guaranteed money to his liking with the current contracts they just signed and the commitments they already have? I'm asking because I believe all guaranteed money has to be placed in escrow and weren't the Raiders in cash flow trouble in recent years?

Thanks! First Clowney should not get the GTD he wants but still a very high amount. IIRC from an article I posted long time ago, they still have cash issues but as you post they have spent crazy $ recently. These owners didn't get where they are without having access to dollars.

 

[JB]

Thanks! First Clowney should not get the GTD he wants but still a very high amount. IIRC from an article I posted long time ago, they still have cash issues but as you post they have spent crazy $ recently. These owners didn't get where they are without having access to dollars.

Banks be loving big spenders

 

[infantrycak]

I'm asking because I believe all guaranteed money has to be placed in escrow and weren't the Raiders in cash flow trouble in recent years?

Teams can and do somewhat circumvent that by rolling guarantees. So on signing the signing bonus is paid (considered guaranteed) and 2019 salary of $20 mil is guaranteed. They'll have to deposit the $20 mil. Then on the 3rd day of the 2020 season the 2020 salary of $22 mil becomes guaranteed if he's on the roster. They'll have to get the escrow up to $22 mil. Repeat...

 

[badboy]

Teams can and do somewhat circumvent that by rolling guarantees. So on signing the signing bonus is paid (considered guaranteed) and 2019 salary of $20 mil is guaranteed. They'll have to deposit the $20 mil. Then on the 3rd day of the 2020 season the 2020 salary of $22 mil becomes guaranteed if he's on the roster. They'll have to get the escrow up to $22 mil. Repeat...

How does advertising revenue impact said cash flow? Could a new advertiser $ be used to escrow an NFL contract?