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Thanks, so is this what happened with Kirk Cousins? I thought the Vikes had to set aside all of his futures up front. I'm sure the NFL has a formula for this as with everything else.
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Thanks, so is this what happened with Kirk Cousins? I thought the Vikes had to set aside all of his futures up front. I'm sure the NFL has a formula for this as with everything else.
infantrycak
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Escrow money can come from anywhere.
Cousins' deal is only 3 years. I think the trade-off they made was shorter but completely guaranteed. They can't tag him either iirc.
badboy
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Just read article that Russell Wilson will use Cousin's venture to get to Giants.
infantrycak
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I've read several that Wilson is demanding a % of cap deal.
Nice gig if you can swing it
Belichick would never sign off on trading for a guy like Carr. Unless he was desperate. which he's not.
badboy
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Wow don't think that's been done. Smooth move by agent.
infantrycak
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What is a guy like Derek?
Rodger Carr participated in his birth.
He will never win a championship
Carr wilts under the bright lights.
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A middling pocket passer with limited accuracy
infantrycak
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He was coming along pretty nicely under Bill Musgrave. Last season they went back to his rookie OC & his TD% went right back to the same. I'm thinking some of it's on Olsen.
But that stuff isn't what steelb was talking about.
I still see nothing that would have Belichick particularly enamoured.
Career is not one season, for good or ill... and his is too short yet to define
No, Derek works much harder with less talent imo
David never had as much talent on those Texans teams as Derek has.
Just look at the skill position players on the Raiders and their OL. David never had that much talent. I knew the Texans weren't going to win a championship with David and the Raiders wont win one with Derek. It's not in the Carr genes. I blame Rodger.
infantrycak
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I was talking individual talent
zshawn10
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Cole Thompson@MrColeThompson
https://twitter.com/MrColeThompson/status/1117089184588730369
The one team I wonder most about heading into the draft is...yep, the #Texans.
From what I’ve heard, they are likely staying at 23.
They want an OT to fall.
There’s a lot of “if’s” if that happens.
Grabbing a DB at 23 is fine but they’ll be reaching RD2 for an OT to start
https://twitter.com/intent/like?tweet_id=1117089184588730369
10:36 AM - Apr 13, 2019
https://twitter.com/MrColeThompson/status/1117089184588730369
The one team I wonder most about heading into the draft is...yep, the #Texans.
From what I’ve heard, they are likely staying at 23.
They want an OT to fall.
There’s a lot of “if’s” if that happens.
Grabbing a DB at 23 is fine but they’ll be reaching RD2 for an OT to start
https://twitter.com/intent/like?tweet_id=1117089184588730369
10:36 AM - Apr 13, 2019
badboy
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ESPN reports that Eli Manning expects and is okay with Giants drafting his replacement in this his last contract year. It seems just as likely NY will pick one #17 as #6 and imo seems about 60-40 split among commenters it will be Haskins at #6. I don't see Eli hanging up his shooting iron at 38 with the market for QBs. He's gonna look at some of the recent monster deals and think he can still earn a part of that somewhere. He still claims he found out about the Beckham trade on scroll while watching tv.
badboy
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If it were I, Seattle would say bye to Wilson and perhaps trade #21 for Rosen. However, I'd start with an offer of a 2020 round two escalating to round one based on incentives. 'hawks could still get a solid CB in round three or four next week. A trade of 1.1 to Giants for #6 + #17 would still get them either Haskins or Murray at 6 and a starter at #17 at another spot.
you think you'll get the same production from a rookie that they've gotten from Wilson??
that's nuts
badboy
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Where did I say that? I don't think they have to get same production to be successful. Oakland had great production from Carr and looked how that turned out. It's also possible they like other QB at 21.
infantrycak
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It's also possible the fans lynch Pete Carroll using John Schneider as a counterweight.
confusing much mixing Seahawks and Cards in same paragraph?
badboy
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Trying to put together my final pre-draft mock; here are Texans roster players Gaines & O'Brien should have a good idea of how they will do in 2019 that impacts their board:
Cb Aaron Colvin- most focus on the few snaps he got after returning from injury. My concern is his psyche ala Matt Schaub returning from his. Colvin was a highly rated FA option. If team thinks he will have a solid year alongside Joseph and new hire Robey, draft could be only one corner top three picks. I'd still draft three, 1.23 Greedy, 2.55 Love and Donnie Lewis in day three.
Davenport- still think he is better than most do (Steel now posts his diatribe) and if team agrees and thinks RT is Henderson, may not be an OLine player selected until third round. This would be risky but three BPAs end by round two could really strengthen team. It would be even easier if Jonah, Greedy and DIllard were all gone by 23 which is more than possible.
Will Fuller and Coutee- yes we all love them but will they even together play 17-18 games? Is a WR out of question for one of our top three selections?
Foreman- Lamar Miller isn't going anywhere and we'll probably still get approx same from him in his last season but if team thinks Foreman is going to produce a RB can drop to day three or even go with UDFA and then selecting RB in 2020 depending on how Foreman responds. I wished I had better feel for him and currently RB is in my round three projection.
Mercilus: last contract year with no 5th option & I cannot see paying him huge money even if he has great season due to his age. I'd be interested in OLB by end day two like Jaylon Ferguson (needs to drop weight he gained for Combine) or Ximines.
Cb Aaron Colvin- most focus on the few snaps he got after returning from injury. My concern is his psyche ala Matt Schaub returning from his. Colvin was a highly rated FA option. If team thinks he will have a solid year alongside Joseph and new hire Robey, draft could be only one corner top three picks. I'd still draft three, 1.23 Greedy, 2.55 Love and Donnie Lewis in day three.
Davenport- still think he is better than most do (Steel now posts his diatribe) and if team agrees and thinks RT is Henderson, may not be an OLine player selected until third round. This would be risky but three BPAs end by round two could really strengthen team. It would be even easier if Jonah, Greedy and DIllard were all gone by 23 which is more than possible.
Will Fuller and Coutee- yes we all love them but will they even together play 17-18 games? Is a WR out of question for one of our top three selections?
Foreman- Lamar Miller isn't going anywhere and we'll probably still get approx same from him in his last season but if team thinks Foreman is going to produce a RB can drop to day three or even go with UDFA and then selecting RB in 2020 depending on how Foreman responds. I wished I had better feel for him and currently RB is in my round three projection.
Mercilus: last contract year with no 5th option & I cannot see paying him huge money even if he has great season due to his age. I'd be interested in OLB by end day two like Jaylon Ferguson (needs to drop weight he gained for Combine) or Ximines.
badboy
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Oh I definitely agree but fans will not like where team goes if Russell Wilson gets his $30 m and up or like you posted a percent of nfl
badboy
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What? Trade WIlson, use #21 for Cards Josh Rosen as most think Cards draft Murray at 1.1. Also there is now talk of Wilson going to Giants for 1.6 +1.17 and 2.37. I'd do that deal and take Haskins at #6 keeping #21. As I posted, if Rosen was target I'd begin negotiations offering a 2020 round two that escalates with incentives.
If Cards do decide to trade Rosen and trade 1.1 to Giants, they could still get Haskins as I said.
Summary: Rosen goes to Seattle for 2020 second or #21. Cards can trade down with other teams and still get good QB even if Giants trade for Russell Wilson. The best thing is another talented QB starter coming into play can impact Texans a lot.
badboy
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Raiders 1.4 1800 + 1.24 740 +1.27 680 =3220
Texans 1.23 760 + 2.54 360 + 2.55 350 + 3.86 160 = 1630
3220 - 1630 = 1590
Oakland would have JD +1.23 and three second rounds.
Texans would have 1.4 1.24 and 1.27. I could see trading down #4 for more picks and still get Jonah. Not sure Mayock does it. If we got 6 and 17 from NYG so they get Haskins at #4.
Texans 1.6 + 1.17+ 1.24 +1.27..dang and Bills #9 and one of their thirds so they could get Oliver at 6. Houston 1.9 1.17 1.24 1.27 and 3.74.
Texans 1.23 760 + 2.54 360 + 2.55 350 + 3.86 160 = 1630
3220 - 1630 = 1590
Oakland would have JD +1.23 and three second rounds.
Texans would have 1.4 1.24 and 1.27. I could see trading down #4 for more picks and still get Jonah. Not sure Mayock does it. If we got 6 and 17 from NYG so they get Haskins at #4.
Texans 1.6 + 1.17+ 1.24 +1.27..dang and Bills #9 and one of their thirds so they could get Oliver at 6. Houston 1.9 1.17 1.24 1.27 and 3.74.
wow
Are Davenports odds of making the Pro Bowl this year longer than Tigers were to win the Masters ?
So I dunno who you putting your money on, funny things happen sometimes ?
the point of any trade is to make the team better - well at least in my feeble mind - and I just fail to see how dumping a franchise QB helps the Seahawks improve.
moot now anyway. John Schneider got it done.
Depends on whether about 30 AFC OTs are too injured to play in the game.
CloakNNNdagger
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An interesting approach to the Draft.
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Howie Roseman stresses depth in the draft
Posted by Michael David Smith on April 16, 2019, 12:00 PM EDT
Last month Eagles owner Jeffrey Lurie identified the Eagles’ approach to the draft as trying to add volume, rather than targeting one elite player at a position of need. Eagles General Manager Howie Roseman is of the same mind.
Roseman said today that he’s all about adding depth in the draft and getting as many players as possible.
“Try to accumulate a lot of good players,” Roseman said. “There are a lot of good players on both sides of the ball.”
Although a franchise quarterback is an obvious exception, and the Eagles don’t regret trading up for Carson Wentz, generally speaking, Roseman said he has made mistakes in the past when targeting one specific player, and he now believes that it’s more about getting several players — perhaps at positions that aren’t needs now, but might be in a year or two.
“I’ve been humbled in the past by some of the mistakes I’ve made,” Roseman said. “We don’t know what we’re going to need a year from now, two years from now, and we’re trying to get long-term players on our team.”
Roseman sounds like he’s more interested in trading down for more picks than in trading up for one specific player. It’s a smart strategy, one that has helped Roseman build one of the NFL’s best rosters.
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Howie Roseman stresses depth in the draft
Posted by Michael David Smith on April 16, 2019, 12:00 PM EDT
Last month Eagles owner Jeffrey Lurie identified the Eagles’ approach to the draft as trying to add volume, rather than targeting one elite player at a position of need. Eagles General Manager Howie Roseman is of the same mind.
Roseman said today that he’s all about adding depth in the draft and getting as many players as possible.
“Try to accumulate a lot of good players,” Roseman said. “There are a lot of good players on both sides of the ball.”
Although a franchise quarterback is an obvious exception, and the Eagles don’t regret trading up for Carson Wentz, generally speaking, Roseman said he has made mistakes in the past when targeting one specific player, and he now believes that it’s more about getting several players — perhaps at positions that aren’t needs now, but might be in a year or two.
“I’ve been humbled in the past by some of the mistakes I’ve made,” Roseman said. “We don’t know what we’re going to need a year from now, two years from now, and we’re trying to get long-term players on our team.”
Roseman sounds like he’s more interested in trading down for more picks than in trading up for one specific player. It’s a smart strategy, one that has helped Roseman build one of the NFL’s best rosters.
Seegara
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There's a lot to be said for this approach. Good starters and good reserves do better than great starters with lousy backups. A team without glaring weaknesses should certainly draft in keeping with this philosophy.
A team with just a couple of very weak spots that can be covered with one good draft ought to attend to its weaknesses first.
A team like the Texans, with perhaps too many needs to fix with one draft, wants to trade back and cover as many problems as possible, if only fairly well. They should try to make up the difference with personnel trades and FA.
badboy
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More to the point, neither have to occur for Texans to reach Super Bowl.
badboy
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https://247sports.com/nfl/seattle-s...ur-years-140-million-65-guaranteed-130839622/
Puts him just ahead of Aaron Rodgers.
infantrycak
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You have to understand, whatever pick the Texans have, they are always in no man's land.
badboy
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Believe that when I see it. Philly needs OG and OT help and already has two picks in second and fourth. I could see him going for players like Scharping and Tytus Howard later but guy like Ford or Lindstrom at #25.
badboy
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yep and imo there are some good ones last two rounds and probable UDFA's.
badboy
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Texans have their own third and a projected comp that could be traded this year to close any perceived gap. In round three and later I tend to ignore point system and look at it as more of a player.
1.9 OL Jonah Williams 1.17 CB Greedy Williams 1.24 Cody Ford or trade down 1.27 edge rusher Jaylon Ferguson or trade down 3.74 Rb Damien Harris, Benny Snell or Darrell Henderson 5.161 OLB Maxx Crosby 6.195 CB/safety Donnie Lewis 7.220 WR Lil Jordan Humphrey
Texans have no comp picks this year.. don't know where you get this fantasy ramblings unless you're drumk like I usually am