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Any of you gonna admit to owing DW4 an apology?

ObsiWan said:
pleeeeease let training camp start soon so we have something solid to discuss.

we need new stuff to argue ab...
...errr, discuss.
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Lol obsiwan you can create a thread with a great topic to discuss. Shoots even when the season do start, there will still be a lot of arguments.
 
edromeo said:
Lol, y'all really going to die on that hill and are willing to go to anything length for what? Just so you can save face with who?

Now you guys are trying to purposefully shift the goal posts and conflate the issue being discussed here.​
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Who's 'y'all' and 'you guys'? You're responding to me so it would seem that you're lumping me in with all the other 'you guys' that you've arbitrarily lumped together and are thumping your chest for being smarter than -- and I had less negative things to say about Watson than you:

edromeo said:
The first concern is the interceptions. He had too many batted ball interceptions. And he had too many decision making interceptions. Both of those can be improved. The decision making interceptions are imho a by product of one of his strengths...his decisiveness and confidence. Some of his interceptions came because he got tricked by a disguised coverages that give him a look that gave him a false read and the ball was on its way before he could tell otherwise.
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edromeo said:
This opinion is either right or wrong it has absolutely nothing to do with prediction. This whole prediction aspect is just some fictional requirement you guys are throwing out there to shift focus.

This discussion is about right/wrong pre-draft opinions, statements and viewpoints about Watson's skillset.

Everyone remembers what the comments were pre-draft. Everyone knows that a bunch of posters and pundits had WRONG assessments and opinions about Watson.​
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How is the opinion either 'right or wrong' without judging it based on his actual performance? Skillset analysis means nothing if it doesn't translate into good performance which is the only way to judge if your analysis was correct. Of course this boils down to prediction or what is your point? And why are you quoting yourself on the prediction that Watson would do well, specifically in BOB's offense when the entire offense changed specifically for Watson?

I think the larger point that you're missing is that you came in with a homer take on Watson that happened to be correct and now you're coming across like you're the man because of it. When the fact is that no one gets their homer takes right all the time and in fact, they're usually wrong. The more respectable position to take (imo) is that you were right about Watson but understanding of those that had question marks because no one, including yourself, gets those calls right very often when it comes to evaluating how a college qb's game will translate to the NFL.​
 
JB said:

Painting with a rather broad brush aren't you? Are you lumping the entire board with one poster's comments or are you referring to a few individuals only? I don't think Everyone on this board has ever agreed about anything, much less Watson.

A different opinion about possibilities doesn't necessarily mean a totally contradictory viewpoint
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No worries. I was involved in a discussion if you weren't part of it then it wasn't directed to you.
 
Max said:
Who's 'y'all' and 'you guys'? You're responding to me so it would seem that you're lumping me in with all the other 'you guys' that you've arbitrarily lumped together and are thumping your chest for being smarter than -- and I had less negative things to say about Watson than you:
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Lol, now you're gonna pretend that you don't know who I'm talking to? Y'all meaning you (Max) and Lucky because you were the ones expresses the sentiment that lol not knowing how good Watson would be required an apology.

Which I happily gave btw....because lol that's what this thread is supposed to be....a celebration......

Based on your definition of chest thumping wouldn't YOU be chest thumping now? By saying that you had less negative things to say about Watson then I?
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Where is the chest thumping? Pointing out revisionist history and poking a little fun at people refusing to admit being wrong isn't the same thing as chest thumping. If I wanted to chest thump I could have been doing it for a long time now.



Max said:
How is the opinion either 'right or wrong' without judging it based on his actual performance? Skillset analysis means nothing if it doesn't translate into good performance which is the only way to judge if your analysis was correct. Of course this boils down to prediction or what is your point?
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I am teaching a lesson in draft evaluation here? Draft evaluation is about assessment and quantifying observations. Prediction is a media thing. Any scout knows that you can only report on what you see and not what will happen because too much of a prospects success or failure depends upon factors external to the prospect....the surrounding talent, coaching, organization then there personal non-football factors how they learn, how coachable are they etc. None of which can be predicted based on knowing empirical whether Watson has a strong or weak arm. Do you understand? An assessment is either right or wrong its not based on prediction. If I say Watson has a weak arm I would have been wrong pre-draft it was just a false assessment.



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Max said:
And why are you quoting yourself on the prediction that Watson would do well, specifically in BOB's offense when the entire offense changed specifically for Watson?
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You must have just skimmed my posts looking for something to disagree with or you didn't understand my comments because I specifically explained the aspects of Watson skillset that would allow him to thrive in any offense, including OB's:
But I think Watson's skillset allows an offensive coordinator to scheme up an offense that can be as productive if not more productive then an offense with Savage right now.

I think Watson's accuracy is fine. I would agree that he missed some throws in preseason, but nothing out of the normal range. Like with any QB he needs to improve his accuracy/ball placement. And when you go back to college and look at his advanced stats he was above average...well you can look it up...everyone has there own opinions. I would like to see Watson improve his front foot strike and forward weight transfer to drive the ball with more velocity. He reminds me of a Bill Walshesque finesse passer at times he almost needs to bring some Brett Favre 'grip it and rip mentality. I also think it's crucial that Watson needs to start faster/get locked in sooner no wasted plays. He was a slow starter in college and could be a bit reckless at the start of games. The stats bear this out, most of his turnovers came early in games as opposed to the 2nd half and 4th qtrs where he was money.

His run threat, like other QB that provide a run threat, has a proven positive impact on the running game and the offense as a whole. His run threat as part of the run game via bootlegs, read-option, rpo's holds backside contain, backside pursuit and it helps standardize what types of coverages can be used. He can also maintain drives by avoiding sacks and converting 3rd downs to extend drives.
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Max said:
I think the larger point that you're missing is that you came in with a homer take on Watson that happened to be correct and now you're coming across like you're the man because of it.
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How can I be a homer when I expressed both pros and cons (which you've nicely pointed out) of Watson's game?

Isn't that the opposite of homer? I gave a complete assessment of my thoughts of Watson's game....good and bad. That's how balanced evaluations are made an expressed.


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edromeo said:
Lol, now you're gonna pretend that you don't know who I'm talking to? Y'all meaning you (Max) and Lucky because you were the ones expresses the sentiment that lol not knowing how good Watson would be required an apology.

Which I happily gave btw....because lol that's what this thread is supposed to be....a celebration......

Based on your definition of chest thumping wouldn't YOU be chest thumping now? By saying that you had less negative things to say about Watson then I?
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Where is the chest thumping? Pointing out revisionist history and poking a little fun at people refusing to admit being wrong isn't the same thing as chest thumping. If I wanted to chest thump I could have been doing it for a long time now.



I am teaching a lesson in draft evaluation here? Draft evaluation is about assessment and quantifying observations. Prediction is a media thing. Any scout knows that you can only report on what you see and not what will happen because too much of a prospects success or failure depends upon factors external to the prospect....the surrounding talent, coaching, organization then there personal non-football factors how they learn, how coachable are they etc. None of which can be predicted based on knowing empirical whether Watson has a strong or weak arm. Do you understand? An assessment is either right or wrong its not based on prediction. If I say Watson has a weak arm I would have been wrong pre-draft it was just a false assessment.



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You must have just skimmed my posts looking for something to disagree with or you didn't understand my comments because I specifically explained the aspects of Watson skillset that would allow him to thrive in any offense, including OB's:





How can I be a homer when I expressed both pros and cons (which you've nicely pointed out) of Watson's game?

Isn't that the opposite of homer? I gave a complete assessment of my thoughts of Watson's game....good and bad. That's how balanced evaluations are made an expressed.


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You win.
 
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This thread is just one big circle jerk for mangler, edromeo, and Texansballer74. There is this strange infatuation to be the biggest fan of Watson’s, be the one to say I told you so, and get an apology from others for whatever reason.

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TexansBull said:
This thread is just one big circle jerk for mangler, edromeo, and Texansballer74. There is this strange infatuation to be the biggest fan of Watson’s, be the one to say I told you so, and get an apology from others for whatever reason.

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Bwhahaha off the chains but your right I told you so. It's amazing to me on how you cats thump tall chest when things go your way. But when I do it, oh there is a problem. A certain member always thumps his chest about being right about the offensive line and I don't ever see you calling that member out. Shoots yall welcomes it when certain members are ultra negative.

And dude I'm a Texans darn fan first and foremost. Extremely happy about finally having another franchise QB. Ole Matt was the first.
 
TexansBull said:
This thread is just one big circle jerk for mangler, edromeo, and Texansballer74. There is this strange infatuation to be the biggest fan of Watson’s, be the one to say I told you so, and get an apology from others for whatever reason.

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Lol.....right. I guess that's one take.

I think the more accurate take is starting with Thorn this thread turned into a bunch of posters refusing, aggressively refusing, to acknowledge being wrong about Watson. Then attacking the idea of the thread then attacking the posters that are pointing out their hypocrisy....but lol whatever makes you feel good.

Whatever direction this thread took it was led that way by the negative tone of a few posters.

I mean its one thing to disagree with the idea of a thread that celebrates Watson turning out better then people thought. I don't know why people wouldn't want to revel in Watson success that flies in the face of a lot of the pre-draft chatter.

That was the intent of thread.

But maybe being wrong is just too much for some posters? It's a bit of a sensative, thin skinned take in my book. But here we are and the stance seems "I'm not going to admit being wrong about anything and I would rather attack the idea of the thread"
 
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What do you want, a cookie?

I was a Watson fan and even had a bet he would start before game 6. Pleased he exceeded my expectations. There's no need to run down people with lower but still positive outlooks.

Hell I've even refrained from calling out the "expert draftnik" who predicted Watson would be lucky to barely get 3000 yds twice in his career (and not because of injury).

So yay Watson. Here's hoping for a healthy stellar year. He may be able to make OB look like a good coach.
 
infantrycak said:
What do you want, a cookie?

I was a Watson fan and even had a bet he would start before game 6. Pleased he exceeded my expectations. There's no need to run down people with lower but still positive outlooks.

Hell I've even refrained from calling out the "expert draftnik" who predicted Watson would be lucky to barely get 3000 yds twice in his career (and not because of injury).

So yay Watson. Here's hoping for a healthy stellar year. He may be able to make OB look like a good coach.
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Chocolate chip and pecans sounds good right about now. Lol
 
ObsiWan said:
fixed it for ya...
:)

Hey now, let's not go nuts here
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I do have to give O'Brien his props last year with Watson..

He could've been bull headed and stuck with his decision to start Savage longer, but admitted he was wrong and pulled the trigger after just a half...

And he did do a hell of a job changing his offense on the fly to make Watson more comfortable, accommodate his strengths, and not try to pound a square peg into a round hole. We only won 4 games, but last year was probably the best job Bill has done since he's been here. I fully expected him to **** that situation up, instead we had the league's best offense with Watson.
 
Texansballer74 said:
Bwhahaha off the chains but your right I told you so. It's amazing to me on how you cats thump tall chest when things go your way. But when I do it, oh there is a problem. A certain member always thumps his chest about being right about the offensive line and I don't ever see you calling that member out. Shoots yall welcomes it when certain members are ultra negative.

And dude I'm a Texans darn fan first and foremost. Extremely happy about finally having another franchise QB. Ole Matt was the first.
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There have been plenty of people to tell steelblue their opinion about his negativity and I told you so nature of Rick smith and the oline. I have. Check my history. Check his history and he is always getting the “why are you here”. And don’t be afraid to say his name. He knows who he is.

I welcome the positive poster like Jamtex and Bulls On Parade. Others do too. Randomly do you get “where is so and so? We need some positivity.”

But just because steelblue is an bastion of consistent negativity reminding us for several years we are going nowhere with Rick Smith and then after his tenure ends he is saying “I told you so” doesn’t mean we need more like him.

Texansballer you have some good posts and insight in the game. Don’t lower your standards to those others that are on the board to be the I told you so poster on the board.

Don’t wallow in the shallow end.
 
Thorn said:
If I apologized for every wrong prediction I made that's all I'd be doing.
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Thorn said:
Besides all the horseshit everyone says, they probably make some correct predictions as well. The ole blind squirrel and the nut thing, or it was frickin' obvious anyway. "I told you so" in politics can work, but it's not worth a crap in football.
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edromeo said:
Lol.....right. I guess that's one take.

I think the more accurate take is starting with Thorn this thread turned into a bunch of posters refusing, aggressively refusing, to acknowledge being wrong about Watson. Then attacking the idea of the thread then attacking the posters that are pointing out their hypocrisy....but lol whatever makes you feel good.

Whatever direction this thread took it was led that way by the negative tone of a few posters.

I mean its one thing to disagree with the idea of a thread that celebrates Watson turning out better then people thought. I don't know why people wouldn't want to revel in Watson success that flies in the face of a lot of the pre-draft chatter.

That was the intent of thread.

But maybe being wrong is just too much for some posters? It's a bit of a sensative, thin skinned take in my book. But here we are and the stance seems "I'm not going to admit being wrong about anything and I would rather attack the idea of the thread"
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Which Thorn post was it that turned this thread horribly negative?

You are the one being way too sensitive.

This thread isn’t about reveling in the success of Watson. It’s about you getting certain posters to say something for you and commend you for being on the Watson bandwagon.
 
TexansBull said:
There have been plenty of people to tell steelblue their opinion about his negativity and I told you so nature of Rick smith and the oline. I have. Check my history. Check his history and he is always getting the “why are you here”. And don’t be afraid to say his name. He knows who he is.

I welcome the positive poster like Jamtex and Bulls On Parade. Others do too. Randomly do you get “where is so and so? We need some positivity.”

But just because steelblue is an bastion of consistent negativity reminding us for several years we are going nowhere with Rick Smith and then after his tenure ends he is saying “I told you so” doesn’t mean we need more like him.

Texansballer you have some good posts and insight in the game. Don’t lower your standards to those others that are on the board to be the I told you so poster on the board.

Don’t wallow in the shallow end.
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TexansBull I'm just having some fun with this thread. Watson has a long way before anyone can remotely say, "I told you so". This is the NFL in which has the best of the best, grown men football. Therefore, the quest of staying healthy will be a big time challenge for this young man, who has injured both of his ACL's. The challenge of having to beat these defenses in which will be better prepared for him now. Every years will be a major task.
 
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TexansBull said:
Which Thorn post was it that turned this thread horribly negative?
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I had no idea I was becoming famous, I'd quit keeping up with this stupid thread until you quoted me. LOL

So, my fellow Texans, if there's any more sh!t I can stir, insults I can hand out, if you feel a personal need to be reminded of how stupidly insane your fu@ked up ideas are, please, let me know. I am here to help. :)
 
edromeo said:
I think the more accurate take is starting with Thorn this thread turned into a bunch of posters refusing, aggressively refusing, to acknowledge being wrong about Watson.
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I find it amusing that I've actually stirred someone up like this and it's not even in the NSZ. And I wasn't even trying. But now that I know it's so easy.............
 
Thorn said:
I had no idea I was becoming famous, I'd quit keeping up with this stupid thread until you quoted me. LOL

So, my fellow Texans, if there's any more sh!t I can stir, insults I can hand out, if you feel a personal need to be reminded of how stupidly insane your fu@ked up ideas are, please, let me know. I am here to help. :)
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I think the proper description here would be "infamous" :)
 
TexansBull said:
There have been plenty of people to tell steelblue their opinion about his negativity and I told you so nature of Rick smith and the oline. I have. Check my history. Check his history and he is always getting the “why are you here”. And don’t be afraid to say his name. He knows who he is.

I welcome the positive poster like Jamtex and Bulls On Parade. Others do too. Randomly do you get “where is so and so? We need some positivity.”

But just because steelblue is an bastion of consistent negativity reminding us for several years we are going nowhere with Rick Smith and then after his tenure ends he is saying “I told you so” doesn’t mean we need more like him.

Texansballer you have some good posts and insight in the game. Don’t lower your standards to those others that are on the board to be the I told you so poster on the board.

Don’t wallow in the shallow end.
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I've never said I told you so when it comes to Ricky. His work clearly speaks for itself. I have said I told you so in the OL thread. A blind man could see that coming.

What I didn't do was start a thread bumping my chest.
 
TexansBull said:
Which Thorn post was it that turned this thread horribly negative?

You are the one being way too sensitive.

This thread isn’t about reveling in the success of Watson. It’s about you getting certain posters to say something for you and commend you for being on the Watson bandwagon.
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Yep,

Comending somebody for being 1st on Watson's bandwagon shouln't ever happen.
 
steelbtexan said:
I've never said I told you so when it comes to Ricky. His work clearly speaks for itself. I have said I told you so in the OL thread. A blind man could see that coming.

What I didn't do was start a thread bumping my chest.
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If it’s any consolation, I wanted to start an apology thread to you about Rick smith and the oline but was afraid of getting banned.
 
I knew he'd be legit, he's the guy I wanted them to draft.

I only owe an apology for not thinking he'd be ready to start wk 1. But I would've felt the same way if it was any rookie qb b/c i'm always in favor of sitting a rookie qb for at least 1/2 a year before throwing them to the wolves.
 
Mr teX said:
I knew he'd be legit, he's the guy I wanted them to draft.

I only owe an apology for not thinking he'd be ready to start wk 1. But I would've felt the same way if it was any rookie qb b/c i'm always in favor of sitting a rookie qb for at least 1/2 a year before throwing them to the wolves.
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I started doubting him in the Bengals game. Kind of like when Neo fell off the roof in The Matrix. lol

But after that NE game my doubt went away. The stuff I saw him do in that game was beyond what any rookie was capable of doing. The only thing that messed that game up was O'B and the defense. :kitten:
 
santo said:
I started doubting him in the Bengals game. Kind of like when Neo fell off the roof in The Matrix. lol

But after that NE game my doubt went away. The stuff I saw him do in that game was beyond what any rookie was capable of doing. The only thing that messed that game up was O'B and the defense. :kitten:
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OB’s retarded run Miller up the middle calls, along with that dropped interception in the 3 yard line by our defense that would have sealed the win for us.
 
Whenever life has got you down ... just stroll over to the first few pages of the Deshaun Watson draft thread. It will lift your spirits right up! LOL
 
santo said:
I started doubting him in the Bengals game. Kind of like when Neo fell off the roof in The Matrix. lol

But after that NE game my doubt went away. The stuff I saw him do in that game was beyond what any rookie was capable of doing. The only thing that messed that game up was O'B and the defense. :kitten:
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His knee is what messed him up and he needs to stay healthy if he's going to become what we all want him to become.
 
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Wonder where old Texian is these days...Between Manziel and Bortles, dude took so many L's he might've just went into hiding.
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Texian is/was the worst. He said we were better off signing Tahj Boyd instead of drafting Watson. The guy cannot evaluate talent to save his life. Glad he is gone
 
amazing80 said:
Texian is/was the worst. He said we were better off signing Tahj Boyd instead of drafting Watson. The guy cannot evaluate talent to save his life. Glad he is gone
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at least not qb talent, he thought that Bama QB who played like 1 decent half of football all season was going to be the next Brady.

we need a thread dedicated to his player evaluations
 
Uncle Rico said:
Whenever life has got you down ... just stroll over to the first few pages of the Deshaun Watson draft thread. It will lift your spirits right up! LOL
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True....although this thread cracks me up for how touchy a lot of the posts/posters were on the topic, lol. Good stuff.
 
edromeo said:
True....although this thread cracks me up for how touchy a lot of the posts/posters were on the topic, lol. Good stuff.
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People here hate being wrong. They will usually cover up their BS with the "I hope I'm wrong" ... it is a hoot!
 
Uncle Rico said:
People here hate being wrong. They will usually cover up their BS with the "I hope I'm wrong" ... it is a hoot!
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Well, my worries were about his ability to stay healthy as were MANY OTHERS, so what were those people wrong about.

Since y'all are so hung up on apologies..where's ours?
 
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