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All Encompassing Vick Thread

Vick should go to court so that Mr. Vick can help us "understand."

I’m hoping Vick calls all of his high-priced attorneys into a huddle and decides to fight the charges. Vick is innocent until proven guilty. He deserves the benefit of the doubt. But if he really did bankroll a dogfighting operation on his property, he deserves to sit in court while the world hears every last detail of this ghastly and despicable enterprise.

I say this with some trepidation, at the risk of being branded a racist. Last week, a Southern newspaper editor, a friend I know and respect, asked if I was going to write about Vick. He told me not to pile on Vick, like all the other white sports columnists.

“It’s only dogs,” he said. Then he pointed out that there are countless “old white guys” around the country who do the same thing. They watch dogs rip each other to pieces in the name of gambling and entertainment. It’s not just Vick.

That’s the sad truth. Dogfighting is a rising scourge in America. Wayne Pacelle, the president of the Humane Society of the United States, said in a blog that there are thousands of dogfighting enthusiasts in the country. Pacelle said the Vick case has raised awareness of the issue.

For the sake of all those poor, helpless dogs, that’s a good thing. If the feds believe a $130 million NFL player can be a useful symbol in the battle against animal abuse, who can blame them? Certainly not anyone who ever showed affection for a pet or felt genuine love in return.
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Just boys being boys, right? I’m told dogfighting is hot in the rap music culture. Supposedly, Vick thought it was cool and honorable, an accepted pastime in his circle. Deion Sanders wrote a column in a Florida paper, explaining that Vick had a “passion” for dogfighting. Sanders said he knows many athletes who share that passion.

So what I’m hearing is that dogfighting is popular among a segment of young black men. And because I’m holding Vick up as an example — instead of white men — I’m an insensitive racist out of touch with young urban culture.

Look, I know there’s racism in this country. Sometimes, it seems we’ve gone backward since Martin Luther King. I hear the strains of bigotry in some white sports fans’ voices when they talk about black sports stars. I’ve been in bars when people looked around to make sure everyone was white before telling some racist joke.

But I’m a sportswriter. A lot of the players I cover — and criticize — are black. I try to be fair. I know some black athletes (Bruce Smith, for one) feel white media don’t treat them fairly. Willis McGahee probably felt white reporters didn’t understand that Buffalo is not the most happening party place for a young black man.

That didn’t make McGahee any less a goofball in my eyes. I’m not going to stop calling out athletes when it’s warranted. Right is right, and dogfighting is a felony in 48 states. It’s inhumane. If Vick bankrolled the operation, he should go to jail and be banned from the NFL for life.

If Vick is being singled out, so be it. Black or white, we ought to do a better job of choosing our heroes. Give him his day in court. I’d like to understand how torturing and killing helpless dogs allows you to feel like a big man.
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CloakNNNdagger said:
Vick should go to court so that Mr. Vick can help us "understand."
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I CAN'T understand.

My idea of a "Dogfight" always involved F-14's and MiG's.....

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If I were Vick's Judge and Vick got up on the stand and said "Judge, you don't understand. Fighting dogs is something from my culture and a symbol of being....." I'd give Vick 20 years simply for being an *****, as well as for participating in a vile enterprise.
 
First time Va. AG's office to make declaration:


Vick has yet to make a decision
ATLANTA, Aug. 19 (UPI) -- Barring last-minute developments, Michael Vick faces a Monday judgment day on felony dogfighting charges.

The Atlanta Falcons quarterback originally was told he had until last Friday to decide whether to stand trial or accept a government-imposed plea deal.

Virginia Attorney General Gerald Poindexter said Friday his office also would prosecute.
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CloakNNNdagger said:
First time Va. AG's office to make declaration:



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This is ironic... Had Poindexter announced earlier that his office would investigate and take action, the Feds might have never gotten involved.


Instead Poindexter did the "Reverse-Nifong" and ignored the investigators and police reports, claiming that "he hadn't seen ANYTHING that he could take to a Grand Jury"...

Obviously an investigator realized that he was being stonewalled by Poindexter and the Surrey County DA's office and went and "had lunch" with someone he knew in the local FBI office, giving them a copy of his report...

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Staggering.......just staggering.

Young, talented, rich............and as thick, it seems, as a whale omelette.

Why do so many rich people make a total arse of things?? Give me a chance to be rich - you'd never hear from me again, and certainly not in the press.

Hope he enjoy's being "Bubba's Puppy".

No sympathy here, friends.
 
STEEL BLUE TEXANS said:
CNN reporting Vick to enter guilty plea next Monday.
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Atlanta Falcons quarterback Michael Vick has accepted a plea deal - and a likely prison sentence - to avoid additional federal charges related to a professional dogfighting operation, one of Vick's attorneys said, the Virginian-Pilot reported Monday.

A press conference is scheduled for 3 p.m. ET Monday, WXIA reported.

Vick will enter a guilty plea to the felony conspiracy charge next Monday at 10:30 a.m. ET, said Lawrence Woodward, one of Vick's defense attorneys, the Virginian-Pilot reported.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20350573/from/RS.1/

tulexan said:
I'm waiting to hear how this will be spun to show his innocence.
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swt is working on that as we speak.
 
tulexan said:
I'm waiting to hear how this will be spun to show his innocence.
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Something like this???:

Michael Vick has decided to plead guilty because "The Man" has a mountain of 'fabricated' evidence against him that is so overwhelming any chance of pleading not guilty would result in a much worse punishment.
 
What we do know now is that the Michael Vick era is officially over. He will never take another snap in the NFL.
 
and to the Vick supporters....."guilty" translates to "I did it". If you didn't do something they couldn't prove you did something you never did.
 
Given this new bit of information, even if the prosecution softens a little bit, the "original offer" will probably be the minimun that Judge Hudson will accept......especially since Vick is acting obstructionist and tying up the system. And don't expect the Commish to respond until the plea is inked:

A plea deal that would send Michael Vick to prison for 18 to 36 months in relation to a dogfighting operation is on the table, CNN reports. Vick's attorneys want to get that reduced to less than a year and also want to hear from NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell before they accept any bargain, sources said.
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this is great! i hope he gets the full 5 years and i hope he never plays again, most likely he wont he at the least will miss 2 seasons mabey 3
 
All I can say to this is just Wow....I'm at a complete loss as to why a man with the football talent of Michael Vick to be involved in such a shady situation. It's a sad day for this young man, and as much as I detest what he's done, I can't bring myself to revel in his misery.
 
I told you guys he would get what's coming to him. Did it hurt to wait just a tad bit for it?

I say he gets 1 year with the possibility of parole after 6-10 months & a healthy fine.
 
Goodell's going to bring the hammer. It's gotta be a suspension of more then a year, just because of the precedent set with Pac-Man.
 
nfl-brit said:
Staggering.......just staggering.

Young, talented, rich............and as thick, it seems, as a whale omelette.
Why do so many rich people make a total arse of things?? Give me a chance to be rich - you'd never hear from me again, and certainly not in the press.

Hope he enjoy's being "Bubba's Puppy".

No sympathy here, friends.
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Bill Alert!!!!

Whale Omelette=Thick as a brick or thick as pig dung but twice as smelly!!!!
 
Texan_Bill said:
Something like this???:

Michael Vick has decided to plead guilty because "The Man" has a mountain of 'fabricated' evidence against him that is so overwhelming any chance of pleading not guilty would result in a much worse punishment.
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Maybe not quite that conspiracy-like, but there is something to be said for acting in your best interest, even if the outcome is only a little less grim than the alternative. Better to do a year to 18 months & keep the window cracked (paper-thin of course) for your career than to risk losing your case & facing 5+ years & KNOWING that your career is definitely over.
 
Hoth-Boy said:
Goodell's going to bring the hammer. It's gotta be a suspension of more then a year, just because of the precedent set with Pac-Man.
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I said this a while ago......

I now expect the PETA turds to float back over to NFL headquarters & put goodell's feet to the fire for nothing less than a banishment..........
 
Well I was wrong about the callers stopping on 610. Now a guy is saying society is losing more than gaining by having Vick in prison....because we were making money off taxes from his pay, and money from jersey sales, etc. (SHAKING HEAD)
 
Mr teX said:
I told you guys he would get what's coming to him. Did it hurt to wait just a tad bit for it?

I say he gets 1 year with the possibility of parole after 6-10 months & a healthy fine.
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I think hell get 18 months, a HUGE fine, major community service/PSAs, and the chance to get out after 9months with good cooperation in the ongoing investigation and good behavior. His NFL career will just about be over but he may get a sniff (no pun intended) in 2009.

I am not going to relish his demise but I do think justice was served. I don't feel sorry for him but rather the opportunities wasted by him. He could have been a positive role model for his community but decided to become the pariah that he is instead. I feel sorry for the dogs, cats, rabbits, and other animals that were sacrificed to feed the hunger and training of their 'dawgs'. I feel sorry for the 'dawgs' themselves as their development was nefariously altered in order to create a killing machine for his own perverted pleasure.

I do feel sorry for his family especially his mother though. It's a sad tale but justice was served.
 
How the mighty have fallen. This should serve as a reminder to the rest of the league that they are human. It does, however, set a bad example for the rest of the nation that he only gets a year in prison.
 
HoustonFrog said:
Well I was wrong about the callers stopping on 610. Now a guy is saying society is losing more than gaining by having Vick in prison....because we were making money off taxes from his pay, and money from jersey sales, etc. (SHAKING HEAD)
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610, all Vick all the time, unless it's time to talk about VY again.
 
HoustonFrog said:
Well I was wrong about the callers stopping on 610. Now a guy is saying society is losing more than gaining by having Vick in prison....because we were making money off taxes from his pay, and money from jersey sales, etc. (SHAKING HEAD)
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simply....wow

so are there trolls on radio shows now? i thought that was forum exclusive for that species.

the guy must think criminal courts are run like lemonade stands or an 8 year old's paper route.
 
Hoth-Boy said:
610, all Vick all the time, unless it's time to talk about VY again.
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yeah don't tune in very often now that Z and John left. Ware knows football but just isn't that engaging and vandermeer needs to stop talking about bad TV shows and the starlet of the week. If I want social commentary, I will go to Stern. I go to 610 to ocasionally listen to Romey and that is about it. CBS has run that thing into the ground.

i hope that the supposed new channel will be good. I hear that Granato and the Cablinasian?, and Lance may be going there to start a new channel.
 
on 790 it is just as bad. There are some real morons in this world, that I hope that they do not reproduce.

Oh and folks the legnth of his jail sentence has yet to be defined. that is up to the judge, if he accepts what the recommendation is. In this federal case he does not have to.
 
Specnatz said:
on 790 it is just as bad. There are some real morons in this world, that I hope that they do not reproduce.

Oh and folks the legnth of his jail sentence has yet to be defined. that is up to the judge, if he accepts what the recommendation is. In this federal case he does not have to.
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Interesting. Well the thing that could favor Vick is if he could use character witnesses to influence the judge to lessen the recommended sentence.

Vick could have a lot of people come up and speak on his behalf because he has probably helped a lot of people with some of his wealth and charity. It's Vick's fault but the judge may not want to ruin his career which would then stop the flow of charity money to some of his foundations and benefactors.

The biggest problem I have with Vick TODAY, is that he apologized through his lawyer. That is just punkarse and will do nothing to repair his image. He needs to come out and put himself at the mercy of the public. He needs a press conference and he could gain a lot of sympathy from a forgiving American populace. He needs to give a short synopsis of what happened in his life and that he honestly regrets what he has done. He needs to speak out and act out (through cooperation with authorities) against the dog fighting subculture. If he does all that, he can come back to the league in 2009. 2 years removed....you still got a chance to compete and go out as a man and not merely a felon.

Embracing his religion, his mother, and his church would probably be a good idea right about now too. He needs help and faith can heal many wounds and can help give you strength during tough times. It's gonna be a tough time for Vick for the forseeable future.
 
Hoth-Boy said:
Goodell's going to bring the hammer. It's gotta be a suspension of more then a year, just because of the precedent set with Pac-Man.
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Yep, and that suspension is not going to run in aggregate with the jail time. Meaning, he will be jailed for approximately one year, then suspended for probably 2 seasons. The other issue here is if he rolls over on any other NFL players who participated in this ring. I don't think he's going to do it, but this could be part of the plea bargaining process. Who knows what's going to happen. If he rolls over on anyone, no one will want him on their teams. Keeps getting better & better. :specnatz:
 
Second Honeymoon said:
Interesting. Well the thing that could favor Vick is if he could use character witnesses to influence the judge to lessen the recommended sentence.

Vick could have a lot of people come up and speak on his behalf because he has probably helped a lot of people with some of his wealth and charity. It's Vick's fault but the judge may not want to ruin his career which would then stop the flow of charity money to some of his foundations and benefactors.

The biggest problem I have with Vick TODAY, is that he apologized through his lawyer. That is just punkarse and will do nothing to repair his image. He needs to come out and put himself at the mercy of the public. He needs a press conference and he could gain a lot of sympathy from a forgiving American populace. He needs to give a short synopsis of what happened in his life and that he honestly regrets what he has done. He needs to speak out and act out (through cooperation with authorities) against the dog fighting subculture. If he does all that, he can come back to the league in 2009. 2 years removed....you still got a chance to compete and go out as a man and not merely a felon.

Embracing his religion, his mother, and his church would probably be a good idea right about now too. He needs help and faith can heal many wounds and can help give you strength during tough times. It's gonna be a tough time for Vick for the forseeable future.
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OK so he should have a press conferance before he goes before the judge? Would you do that? I do not care how guilty you are of anything, you do that you might as well bend over and kiss your ass goodbye because whatever you were going to get might be worse.

After his hearing monday sure I agree with you.
 
Specnatz said:
OK so he should have a press conferance before he goes before the judge? Would you do that? I do not care how guilty you are of anything, you do that you might as well bend over and kiss your ass goodbye because whatever you were going to get might be worse.

After his hearing monday sure I agree with you.
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i think you misunderstood or i mispoke. i meant he would parade people in front of the judge as character witnesses pre-sentencing (if possible). that could help.

my other point was that he needs to do a press conference at some point...i guess not necessarily immediately but wouldn't he go to jail on Monday once he is sentenced? Wouldn't he want to do the presser before he is in jail? I guess it could go either way. Whatever is in his best interest is what will be done. Personally, I just want to see him talk about it and show remorse. His previous comments have been arrogant and without any sense of responsibility.
 
Second Honeymoon said:
i think you misunderstood or i mispoke. i meant he would parade people in front of the judge as character witnesses pre-sentencing (if possible). that could help.

my other point was that he needs to do a press conference at some point...i guess not necessarily immediately but wouldn't he go to jail on Monday once he is sentenced? Wouldn't he want to do the presser before he is in jail? I guess it could go either way. Whatever is in his best interest is what will be done. Personally, I just want to see him talk about it and show remorse. His previous comments have been arrogant and without any sense of responsibility.
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He is rich not poor. From what I have seen they would give him a day or so to get his crap all together and then he remands himself into custody to start serving his prison sentence. And I am not sure if sentencing is done the same day and the plea is entered. All of that is kinda shacky, but I am sure he will have a moment to give a presser.
 
This ticks me off. I wanted him to go to trial, and be run over the coals, and get a 20 yr sentence. 18 months or even 3 yrs is way to light for this low life subhuman scumball. If I ever see his face again on TV or anywhere else, I may just puke. Mike Vick, you make me SICK. It's a good thing I'm not the judge, because I would give him life in prison. :pirate:
 
Porky said:
This ticks me off. I wanted him to go to trial, and be run over the coals, and get a 20 yr sentence. 18 months or even 3 yrs is way to light for this low life subhuman scumball. If I ever see his face again on TV or anywhere else, I may just puke. Mike Vick, you make me SICK. It's a good thing I'm not the judge, because I would give him life in prison. :pirate:
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want some fries with that vendetta?
 
Ease up Texan fans.

I think it would only be right for the judge to show the same compassion and leniency that Vick showed for his dogs...:bat:

Nah, I guess electrocution, drowning, or banging Vicks head against the floor would be a little extreme.

Just strap him to a rape stand in his new home..:jail:...:yikes:



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