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All Encompassing Vick Thread

I've listening to A. Siciliano on Rome right now. I do love listening to national radio where people aren't afraid to say things. He pretty much called out those who have been defending Vick blindly and asked them to call and tell him what they have when he pleads guilty. I don't take glee in another man's plight. But I do take glee on having the ignorant callers disappear.
 
Isn't it possible that the judge can reject a plea deal? What is the situation in that case? Does the guilty-plea get undone? Does the defendant still get to stand trial or is it basically "You've said you're guilty and now you're going to jail as long as I want you there"?
 
hadaad said:
Isn't it possible that the judge can reject a plea deal? What is the situation in that case? Does the guilty-plea get undone? Does the defendant still get to stand trial or is it basically "You've said you're guilty and now you're going to jail as long as I want you there"?
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there technically is NO guilty plea until the judge accepts it. If the judge rejects it, the case goes to trial, if he accepts, then he sets a sentencing hearing.
 
So a guy can say, "I'm guilty, your honour," and the judge can theoretically say, "No you're not. You're going to trial."?

That seems a little messed-up.
 
I suppose as long as a judge can't say: "You're not 'not guilty', you're guilty. I'm overturning your plea."
 
One angle I hadn't considered about the whole Mike Vick debacle is the David Carr versus Joey Harrington angle.

I enjoyed following Harrington last year in his up-and-down starts with Miami and I looked forward to seeing where he would land as the Dolphins obsessed over an old man who was outplayed by his backup last year.

However, as the offseason progressed, I didn't hear about Joey H's prospects and I didn't hear, and I wondered what was going on. At one point, I heard that the Toronto Argonauts of the CFL had picked up his negotiation rights. That doesn't mean much - they'd gotten Quincy Carter's and Eric Crouch's as well - just a right of first refusal in the agreement between the two leagues.

Regardless, I paid way more attention to Carr's landing spot and figured he'd have a chance to start way before Harrington did. When he landed in Atlanta, I figured it was a good way for him to play out his years, with low expectations, low pressure, and no chance of unseating Vick (more because of the Arthur Blank lovefest than any on-field accomplishments).

Now, however, Harrington's going in, getting another shot to prove himself. And who knows? If he learned anything in Miami, if the low expectations allow him to be comfortable in a new city where people are just glad he hasn't been murdering dogs, maybe this can be some kind of resurrection for him.

I hope so. I wanted to see him drafted by the Texans (albeit after only watching one game he was in) and I wanted him to succeed in the NFL. Maybe he will.

There's a lot more to say about Carr vs. Harrington but unfortunately, I'm out of time and so I'll stop typing now.

No, now.
 
hadaad said:
Now, however, Harrington's going in, getting another shot to prove himself. And who knows? If he learned anything in Miami, if the low expectations allow him to be comfortable in a new city where people are just glad he hasn't been murdering dogs, maybe this can be some kind of resurrection for him.

I hope so. I wanted to see him drafted by the Texans (albeit after only watching one game he was in) and I wanted him to succeed in the NFL. Maybe he will.
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I've heard several interviews on sports radio with Harrington and have been impressed with him as a person. He's had his share of adversity and claims to have learned a lot from his trials and is looking forward to leading the Falcons this season. He seems to know his strengths and weaknesses and says he thinks he fits perfectly in Petrino's offense.

I don't think we can gain too much knowledge of him by his performances with Detroit and Miami, especially Detroit a really bad team.

Harringtons numbers are close to Vicks, in fact better in some areas except of course rushing yds. of course. Yeah he has about as many interceptions as completions but that I think is attributable to the lousy teams he was with.

He seems like a nice guy and one who can lead this team. Despite Vicks talents he was not a leader and this team needs a strong leader. I don't expect the Falcons to win more that maybe seven or eight games this year but hopefully we'll be building toward a future something I never felt we had with Vick. Vick was all about Vick, Harrington is about the team. I too wish him well, time will tell.
 
Michael Vick's lawyers have advised him to accept a plea deal from federal prosecutors in his dogfighting case, according to a person with direct knowledge of the case.

Vick has until 9 a.m. Friday morning to accept the deal, the person said. The deal would most likely come with a recommendation from prosecutors that Vick, the Atlanta Falcons quarterback, be sentenced to one to two years in prison.
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As Vick's lawyers negotiated with prosecutors over the past week, the person with direct knowledge of the case said that people who represented Vick tried to reach out to the NFL to find out how the league planned to punish Vick. But the NFL refused to discuss Vick's punishment."We are not in discussion with anyone about his possible suspension," Greg Aiello, a spokesman for the NFL, said in an e-mail message. "The commissioner cannot make a decision until he has the report from Eric Holder. So we do not have a timetable on making a decision."
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When indictments are brought against several defendants, legal experts said that prosecutors were more likely to seek lighter sentences for the first defendants who decide to help their cases.

"The government certainly needed Taylor more than the others in this case because he helped them build leverage," Carl Tobias, a professor at the University of Richmond Law School, said Thursday in a telephone interview. "Cooperation is critical to the government's recommendation at sentencing. But if Vick pleads with the two others tomorrow, there isn't much difference between his cooperation and theirs."
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Bubba awaits
 
Remember, the judge involved has not followed the "average" severity of punishment.:

RICHMOND, Va. --
The court where Michael Vick is expected to plead guilty to dogfighting charges hands down some of the toughest sentences in the federal court system.

The judges in the Fourth Circuit are particularly hard on defendants in racketeering cases, which may be why Vick is trying to negotiate a plea deal on lesser charges.

Prosecutors said they plan to add racketeering charges to the Vick case if he doesn't accept a plea deal.

In 2006 judges in the federal court in Richmond sentenced defendants in racketeering cases to an average of 110 months in federal prison. That was higher than the national average of 95 months.

In the miscellaneous category, where the dogfighting charges fall, the average sentence in the Fourth Circuit was 12 months.

In a plea deal, the prosecutors usually make a recommendation on sentencing, but a judge is not obligated to honor that suggestion and can hand down whatever sentence they want.
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Sources close to the Vick case say he also faces a hefty fine.
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Just in (FOX NEWS).............the two defendants having hearings (completed now) today have gone on record that Vick "bankrolled" the whole enterprise.
 
"As Vick's lawyers negotiated with prosecutors over the past week, the person with direct knowledge of the case said that people who represented Vick tried to reach out to the NFL to find out how the league planned to punish Vick. But the NFL refused to discuss Vick's punishment. "We are not in discussion with anyone about his possible suspension," Greg Aiello, a spokesman for the NFL, said in an e-mail message. "The commissioner cannot make a decision until he has the report from Eric Holder. So we do not have a timetable on making a decision."

Hey Ookie.....

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CloakNNNdagger said:
Just in (FOX NEWS).............the two defendants having hearings (completed now) today have gone on record that Vick "bankrolled" the whole enterprise.
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So what does this do to Mike's chances of getting a smaller sentence? If this is the case, I would think the judge would want to go after Vick without a plea deal.

Also, if this is also the case and Vick did indeed bankroll the whole enterprise, I can't imagine him ever playing another NFL game.
 
Oh SWT.......

"Richmond, Va. — Falcons quarterback Michael Vick posed for a photo with three co-defendants and a female pit bull they were about to sponsor in a dogfight in North Carolina four years ago, newly released court records show.

In pleading guilty this morning, Purnell Peace, 35, of Virginia Beach, signed a 12-page summary of facts, citing the photo.

That document says Peace joined Vick and two other co-defendants —who referred to themselves as "Bad News Kennels" — in traveling from Virginia to North Carolina with a female pit bull named "Jane" to participate in a dogfight against another pit bull owned by an organization called "Lockjaw Kennels."

"Prior to this fight," the statement says, "all four 'Bad News Kennels' members took a picture with 'Jane.' "

It is unclear whether federal prosecutors have a copy of that photo."

http://www.ajc.com/sports/content/s...kpleas_0817.html?cxntlid=homepage_tab_newstab

I'm sure "T" "P-Funk" and "Q" have a copy of the photo if the Feds don't already have it.
 
According to ProFootballTalk.com, the statements by the co-defendants this morning have Vick participating in the killing of 8 dogs in April this year.
 
infantrycak said:
According to ProFootballTalk.com, the statements by the co-defendants this morning have Vick participating in the killing of 8 dogs in April this year.
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Ruh-Roh

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/law/08/17/vick/index.html

RICHMOND, Virginia (CNN) -- Two co-defendants of Michael Vick say the NFL star helped execute dogs that didn't fight well, according to federal court documents.

The court papers, filed as Quanis Phillips and Purnell Peace pleaded guilty to dogfighting charges Friday, said all three men "executed approximately 8 dogs that did not perform well in 'testing' sessions" in April of this year.

Vick's co-defendants also stipulated that the money behind the Bad Newz Kennels dogfighting operation came "almost exclusively" from the Atlanta Falcons star.

Federal prosecutors had given Vick until 9 a.m. ET Friday to accept a plea deal that would require him to spend at least one year in prison on federal dogfighting conspiracy charges, reports say, but there was no immediate word on what he decided.

Vick's acceptance of the recommendation, described by The Virginian-Pilot newspaper in Norfolk, Virginia, must receive court approval.

If the 27-year-old Vick rejects the deal, he will face an additional charge under the federal Racketeering Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act, known as RICO, a source with knowledge of the investigation told the newspaper.
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A part of me kind of wants him to reject the deal just so he could be delt a larger punishment when proven guilty.:bat:

Am I the only one with these thoughts?
 
Now that it's after 9:00 a.m. on the East coast and there is no news as of yet, are we to assume that he rejected the deal? Or would we not hear anything about it until later?
 
He may have only had to let the prosecutors know he'd be accepting the plea deal before 9. He might not actually have to show up in court until sometime next week.
 
Vick is hosed. He won't be back in the league till 09 at best and only if a GM really wants a QB and only if Vick really rehabs his image.

when all this came out, he lied to the commish, the NFL fans, and his team. I say give him 1 year in jail if he displays good behavior and a 2 year suspension that would start this year.

Vick will probably just forget his NFL dreams and use his notoriety and infamy to his advantage. He could do 'professional' wrestling or maybe produce and act in a series of 'gangsta' pornos. 'Ron Mexico does Mexico' or something like that.
 
Second Honeymoon said:
Vick is hosed. He won't be back in the league till 09 at best and only if a GM really wants a QB and only if Vick really rehabs his image.

when all this came out, he lied to the commish, the NFL fans, and his team. I say give him 1 year in jail if he displays good behavior and a 2 year suspension that would start this year.

Vick will probably just forget his NFL dreams and use his notoriety and infamy to his advantage. He could do 'professional' wrestling or maybe produce and act in a series of 'gangsta' pornos. 'Ron Mexico does Mexico' or something like that.
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Some NFL team might take a chance on him (see Lawrence Phillips), but I see Canadian football in Ookie’s future after his jail time.
 
TigerV1 said:
So what does this do to Mike's chances of getting a smaller sentence? If this is the case, I would think the judge would want to go after Vick without a plea deal.

Also, if this is also the case and Vick did indeed bankroll the whole enterprise, I can't imagine him ever playing another NFL game.
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Maybe a lesser sentence than without a plea bargain, BUT usually the last man in gets the least consideration.

If he is found to have bankrolled the enterprise, why would you have an enterprise like this except for gambling purposes..............therefore GOODBYE NFL, HELLO BUBBA.
 
Second Honeymoon said:
Vick is hosed. He won't be back in the league till 09 at best and only if a GM really wants a QB and only if Vick really rehabs his image.

when all this came out, he lied to the commish, the NFL fans, and his team. I say give him 1 year in jail if he displays good behavior and a 2 year suspension that would start this year.
Vick will probably just forget his NFL dreams and use his notoriety and infamy to his advantage. He could do 'professional' wrestling or maybe produce and act in a series of 'gangsta' pornos. 'Ron Mexico does Mexico' or something like that.
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If a ban is not lifetime, it would shock the heck out of me if the ban, whatever it is, would not begin from the time he gets out of jail. A ban during his incarceration would serve no purpose.
 
Dang, the inmate's suit has been thrown out of court............I was waiting to see how Vick was going to pull 662 trillion dollars out of his *ss.

But wait, after an additional 13 federal court lawsuits he also filed have been thrown out, there is still one surviving in Virginia for 62 billion dollars, to be presented in gold and silver. I bet Vick is relieved that he's potentially looking at a more reasonable payout. He's probably having his whole defense team tied up on this lawsuit since he knows that loosing that lawsuit would be devastating..........and that's why he can't make up his mind..........Should I go to court and get screwed........or should I plead and get screwed. Let me see..........Bubba's on the other line?.........tell him to hold.:shots:
Vick
 
Among those sued by Riches: George Bush, Malcolm X, Vanna White, Jimmy Hoffa, Google.com, Pope Benedict XVI, Adolph Hitler's National Socialist Party, the Ming Dynasty, the Statue of Liberty, Michaelangelo, the Hubble Telescope, the Magna Carta, Plato, the Tenth Edition of the Merriam Webster Dictionary, Tsunami victims, the Appalachian Trial, Meals on Wheels, Tony Danza and Lambeau Field, home of the NFL's Green Bay Packers.
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Can we please see what he is suing some of these people for.
 
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-vickco-defendants&prov=ap&type=lgns
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RICHMOND, Va. (AP) -- Two of Michael Vick's alleged cohorts in a grisly dogfighting case pleaded guilty Friday, and one said the Atlanta Falcons quarterback joined them in drowning and hanging dogs that underperformed...

A statement signed by Phillips as part of his plea agreement said Vick participated in the execution of about eight dogs, some by drowning and hanging.

"Phillips agrees and stipulates that these dogs all died as a result of the collective efforts of Peace, Phillips and Vick," the statement said...(cont)
 
Just for clarification purposes, Vick isn't going to be touched in jail. People aren't stupid.

Vick is a multi millionaire...
 
What team/city would ever want a dog-killing QB??

Just cause Fick(see fugly) has money does not mean his safety is guaranteed.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Blank was interviewed by ESPN and said that he expects Vick to plead TONIGHT.
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The Feds probably extended to midnight. If they don't get it done, look for them to file at 12:01. I have been involved in some federal actions and they just don't give a rip about who and what, just that they get the perp convicted and if they run a telephone pole up his backside in the process, so be it.
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
Just for clarification purposes, Vick isn't going to be touched in jail. People aren't stupid.

Vick is a multi millionaire...
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Federal prison is different from state prison. It's probably safer.

But, since prison divides along racial lines, it all depends how Vick warm's up to black leadership and their willingness to protect him. If they do, it isn't going to be cheap for Vick. The arrangement could jeopardize his good conduct and he could end up with a longer sentence if screws up there too.

As to your comment that people aren't stupid. These guys are in jail and the rules are so different and survival is tenious no matter who you are.
 
Texan_Bill said:
Don't be too sure... Sometimes inmates will consider high profile, rich people 'trophies'...
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VERY TRUE

That's why Vick, for his own protection, should go to the "SuperMax" Federal Prison in Colorado...

At SuperMax he will be in a solitary cell for 23 hours a day, under constant video protection, and there is no way anyone can kill him. Remember his plea deal WILL require him to RAT OUT some really BAD people. Those people will most likely have prison gang connections.

If Vick isn't segregated/isolated from the general prison population, I bet he is dead within 3 weeks...

Vick might get "whacked" 2 days after he gets out of the joint... but at least he won't get killed in prison.
 
I'd be willing to bet that Vick is one of the inmates you want to avoid in jail. Somehow I don't see him as a physical liability in the jailhouse.
 
Falcons Owner calls Vick a Liar

ORCHARD PARK, N.Y. (AP) -- Falcons owner Arthur Blank accused Michael Vick of lying to him and the NFL after one of the NFL star's co-defendants said Friday that the quarterback took part in drowning and hanging dogs that didn't perform well.

"What's suggested in those statements of fact don't match up with what the league was told, even our organization and certainly not what was said to the commissioner," Blank told The Associated Press before Atlanta's preseason game against Buffalo.

Blank's response came after two co-defendants in the federal dogfighting conspiracy case pleaded guilty earlier Friday, with one saying Vick helped in killing dogs.

"It's sad that those allegations exist and now they are confirmed by others," Blank said. "It's sad that Michael has put himself into that kind of situation. It's his responsibility for putting himself into that situation."

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-vick-blank&prov=ap&type=lgns

Surprise, Surprise, Mike Vick is a .....

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The whole idea of dog or rooster fights are quite repulsive to me and I don't have any particular sympathy for those who actually engage in the sport as a owner, marketer or spectator. Also, I don't know anything about prison life except for what I have read and understood to be a fairly accurate account, but for the life of me I just don't see the so called "Bubba" holding a vendetta for someone with a conviction of organizing fights for pit bulls.

The most disturbing thing I saw was last night on an episode of Snapped that gave the account of Fred(?) Lane, the former Carolina Panther whose wife killed him on alleged spousal abuse. It was later found that instead of abuse o that particular day, he was ambushed as he entered his home, shot in the chest, then as he was down either dying or dead was shot in the back of the head with a shotgun. Further investigation showed that she had spent all of the household finances, and had one of her teller friends to assist her in a back robbery which wasn't her first. After all of that with a plea bargain she ended up with an eight-year prison sentence and is due out in 2k9. If Vick ends up with more than that on a plea, then I will have to scratch my head on legal justice.
 
Even with a plea agreement, Vick most likely would face the harshest sentence of the four because of his role as the financier of the enterprise, Douglas A. Berman, a professor of law at Ohio State University, said Friday.

“The sentencing guidelines the judge will consider as part of the sentencing provide for increasing the defendants’ sentence if he was an organizer and leader of the criminal activity,” Berman said.

“The defendants have laid out that Vick funded the enterprise, and that will hurt Vick because the guidelines expressly encourage enhancing the sentence of those who had leadership roles in the offense.”
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Bubba awaits
 
As Vick is still supposedly trying to hammer out a final plea agreement with the prosecution, Fox News has just announced a statement made this morning by Judge Hudson. To paraphrase him: He is essentially getting tired of Vick. He stated to Vick's attornies that due to the "egregious nature of Vick's action" he will be "up moving" (I think this was something like what the legal term he used was) his sentencing. This was explained as the judge deciding (independent of the plead) to "exceed" the federal guidelines of sentencing in this case.........Goodbye NFL......Hello Bubba.
 
This is probably the reason Vick hasn't had time to focus on the plea deal.........it's all about priorities :gun:

As if he didn't have enough troubles, Vick was cited for not wearing a seat belt when a car he owned was pulled over Thursday by Virginia state troopers.

The officer stopped the car because the tint on the windows was too dark, state police Sgt. D.S. Carr said. The Vick-owned vehicle was being driven by someone else when pulled over in Isle of Wight County.

The driver was cited for the tint and Vick was slapped with a $25 fine for not wearing his seat belt. There are no court costs, and Vick doesn't have to go to court.

"He can prepay it if he wants to," Carr said.
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Seat belt
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
Just for clarification purposes, Vick isn't going to be touched in jail. People aren't stupid.

Vick is a multi millionaire...
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Rumor mill in Atlanta has it that Vick has spent most of his earnings and is down to about $4 mil. His lawyers will cost that much.
 
Red_Zone said:
Rumor mill in Atlanta has it that Vick has spent most of his earnings and is down to about $4 mil. His lawyers will cost that much.
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RZ...I heard the same thing.. but with his Falcons salary and all of that endorsement money..in the muliti-millions.... where did it go......?

Do the math...


Unless it went "off-shore".....
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