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All Encompassing Case Keenum Thread

Vance87

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In his first NFL start, Keenum’s performance was the best in franchise history for a first-time quarterback with 271 yards passing, surpassing Matt Schaub’s previous record of 225 yards. Keenum was 15-of-25 with one touchdown, ten yards rushing, and a passer rating of 110.6.
 

thunderkyss

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Why does that statement bother you?
For me it's about balance.

As far as downplaying Case, all I've ever said was that he didn't Kaepernick it..... meaning he didn't play sooooo well, that he should be the immediate starter the way Kaepernick did.

If it weren't for the Schaub hate in Houston it would be debatable because of Matt's most recent games, not Case's.
 

thunderkyss

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In his first NFL start, Keenum’s performance was the best in franchise history for a first-time quarterback with 271 yards passing, surpassing Matt Schaub’s previous record of 225 yards. Keenum was 15-of-25 with one touchdown, ten yards rushing, and a passer rating of 110.6.
So we can start talking about yards again?
 

eriadoc

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So we can start talking about yards again?
No. At the end of the day, the team landed on 16 points again, which (almost - they had a safety one time) always irritates me. But given the circumstances, I'm willing to see more. I'd rather see what Keenum can do with the opportunity than watch what Schaub has done with the opportunity.
 
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Originally Posted by CloakNNNdagger
In his first NFL start, Keenum’s performance was the best in franchise history for a first-time quarterback with 271 yards passing, surpassing Matt Schaub’s previous record of 225 yards. Keenum was 15-of-25 with one touchdown, ten yards rushing, and a passer rating of 110.6.


And what he didn't do was:

1) Throw a Pick-6
2) Throw an interception
3) Maintain the Fetal Position under pressure
4) Have a bad play and go sob on the sideline
 

CloakNNNdagger

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Kubiak said he was most impressed with Keenum’s ability to run the offense and call plays despite the noise at Arrowhead Stadium. With Schaub getting closer to returning, Kubiak says he has a tough decision on which quarterback will start against Indianapolis on November 3.

“That’s a difficult call, either way, from that standpoint,” Kubiak said. “I’m going to look at it. Matt is back moving around a little bit today. We’ve got a bye week here. We have a couple of days to evaluate ourselves, evaluate our football team and see where we’re at and then I will do what I think is best for the team.”
Besides all the obvious reasons, after Case's admirable performance under the most difficult of circumstances, to put one-footed, INT and pic-6 specialist Schaub out there on national TV again will be the ultimate embarrassment for this team and this city...........a perceptual embarrassment that we are unlikely to recover from anywhere in the foreseeable future. And Kubiak will no longer be remembered for his glory days of a QB guru.........only for his stubbornness in sticking with a failed Houston "experiment."

 
Besides all the obvious reasons, after Case's admirable performance under the most difficult of circumstances, to put one-footed, INT and pic-6 specialist Schaub out there on national TV again will be the ultimate embarrassment for this team and this city...........a perceptual embarrassment that we are unlikely to recover from anywhere in the foreseeable future. And Kubiak will no longer be remembered for his glory days of a QB guru.........only for his stubbornness in sticking with a failed Houston "experiment."



Right On CND!

Almost as popularly infamous as The Butt Fumble!
 

The1ApplePie

Hall of Fame
No. At the end of the day, the team landed on 16 points again, which (almost - they had a safety one time) always irritates me. But given the circumstances, I'm willing to see more. I'd rather see what Keenum can do with the opportunity than watch what Schaub has done with the opportunity.
At the end of the day, Keenum or Schaub, they are just holding down the fort until a franchise QB can be drafted next year. I'm good with either, though Keenum is at least fun to watch.
 

Brisco_County

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Considering Kubiak's risk/reward in this decision, Keenum will start.

What does Kubiak gain by winning with Schaub? It means we'd be back on track with a guy whose ceiling has been apparent for seven years, and who could melt down at any moment.

What happens if he loses with Schaub? Kubiak's seat gets a lot warmer.

Win with Keenum? We're exploring the hometown hero's talent, and games are exciting for fans and players again.

Lose with Keenum? We're exploring the hometown hero's talent, and games are exciting for fans and players again.
 

Porky

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We don't need to draft a QB in the upcoming draft. On that side of the ball our biggest single need is competent offensive linemen who can pass protect. Everything else is fine as it is.

We have RB's. We have WR's. We have a fine young QB who can sling it, is accurate, and mobile. We just can't block worth a damn and that needs to be fixed ASAP. We have some kind of implosion going on over there and none of them look worth a damn right now. No one.
I dunno bout all dat. I think it's way, way too soon to declare Case as the heir apparent. If we draft about where I think we will, in the 6-10 range, we may very well have a chance at a franchise QB. You don't turn those down unless you have one. Now, if you think Case is a franchise QB, then pass them up....but personally it would take an awful lot to convince me that Case is the franshice QB we need to compete with Andrew Luck.

There are two kinds of teams in the NFL. Those with a QB and those without. And by QB I mean a franchise QB or close to it. Case may be serviceable, but serviceable isn't going to get you a Lombardi 99% of the time.

I liked what I saw and I think he deserves his shot. I would give him the rest of the year. My best educated guess is he proves himself to be a very good backup, spot starter, fireplug type of guy and he'll carve out a nice career doing that. I do not think he is a franchise type guy - but I'm willing to be proven wrong.
 

76Texan

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I dunno bout all dat. I think it's way, way too soon to declare Case as the heir apparent. If we draft about where I think we will, in the 6-10 range, we may very well have a chance at a franchise QB. You don't turn those down unless you have one. Now, if you think Case is a franchise QB, then pass them up....but personally it would take an awful lot to convince me that Case is the franshice QB we need to compete with Andrew Luck.

There are two kinds of teams in the NFL. Those with a QB and those without. And by QB I mean a franchise QB or close to it. Case may be serviceable, but serviceable isn't going to get you a Lombardi 99% of the time.

I liked what I saw and I think he deserves his shot. I would give him the rest of the year. My best educated guess is he proves himself to be a very good backup, spot starter, fireplug type of guy and he'll carve out a nice career doing that. I do not think he is a franchise type guy - but I'm willing to be proven wrong.
What do you see in the QBs in the next draft class that makes you think you can get a bona-fide franchise QB in the 6-10th range?

I see none.
 

Porky

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What do you see in the QBs in the next draft class that makes you think you can get a bona-fide franchise QB in the 6-10th range?

I see none.
Well it's still early and draft grades will rise and fall not too mention the impact of potential under classmen but this looks to be a really good draft for QB's. Perhaps rivaling 1983 - perhaps. Still to be seen.

Bridgewater will be gone. After that who knows. I agree that it's early, but to say flat out there will be no QB's worthy of a high to mid first round grade is also premature to say the least.
 

Porky

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What do you see in the QBs in the next draft class that makes you think you can get a bona-fide franchise QB in the 6-10th range?

I see none.
The 2014 NFL Draft Could Be One Of The Best Quarterback Drafts Ever

There might be nine quarterbacks in the 2014 NFL Draft who are good enough to be taken in the first round, an NFL scout told Sports Illustrated's Peter King.

That doesn't mean nine will be taken in Round One (not that many teams need QBs), but King says there are nine guys who could get "first round grades" from NFL scouts.
Teddy Bridgewater, Louisville
Aaron Murray, Georgia
Johnny Manziel, Texas A&M
AJ McCarron, Alabama
Tajh Boyd, Clemson
Zach Mettenberger, LSU
Braxton Miller, Ohio State
Marcus Mariota, Oregon
Derek Carr, Fresno State
Brett Hundley, UCLA*
It's worth noting that other draft prognosticators aren't as bullish on this group. ESPN's Mel Kiper only has Bridgewater, Hundley, and Mariota among his top-25. We also aren't 100% sure if the underclassmen on this list will come out.

But still, these are big, intriguing names, and everyone agrees they'll be better than last year's class.

Four of these ten guys (Manziel, Miller, Mariota, Hundley) are dual-threat players in the mold of Russell Wilson or RGIII. These types of non-traditional players have historically been downgraded on NFL draft boards, but that appears to be changing.

By our count there are eight teams that we can see taking a QB in the first round: Philadelphia, Minnesota, Tampa Bay, Arizona, Cleveland, Houston, Jacksonville, and Oakland.
 
Regarding drafting a QB. If Case proves himself and becomes our franchise QB, do we still keep Yates around? Draft a late round project? Pickup a journeyman in Free agency?
 
I know it's a deep class and I've watched them all play; I don't see a sure-fire franchise QB in the mold that you wanted.

They all have flaws, even the near-consensus Bridgewater.
His play under pressure remains questionable.
Until I see Bridgewater actually play a good defense, I will not be convinced of his NFL future. I would go with almost any SEC QB before Bridgewater...
 
Regarding drafting a QB. If Case proves himself and becomes our franchise QB, do we still keep Yates around? Draft a late round project? Pickup a journeyman in Free agency?
I think you do exactly what the Redskins did, drafted RG3 then turned around and drafted Cousins in the 2nd round(?)

If Keenum is your guy for next year, still take a good QB with the 1st or 2nd round pick and have him in the waiting.
 

Hervoyel

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Well it's still early and draft grades will rise and fall not too mention the impact of potential under classmen but this looks to be a really good draft for QB's. Perhaps rivaling 1983 - perhaps. Still to be seen.

Bridgewater will be gone. After that who knows. I agree that it's early, but to say flat out there will be no QB's worthy of a high to mid first round grade is also premature to say the least.
It is still early and if we're lucky, and Gary Kubiak finds a clue we should have 9 more games to see if Case Keenum is the answer or just a placeholder.

Lots of football still to be played and while it may no longer be about the playoffs it is still about our future. In 9 games I think we'll know enough about Case Keenum to make a good decision.

If our brain trust is in fact capable of making a good decision and if they put him out there to see how he does. They might just give us 9 weeks of Matt Sloth and his amazing one-legged QB impersonation.
 

thunderkyss

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Regarding drafting a QB. If Case proves himself and becomes our franchise QB, do we still keep Yates around? Draft a late round project? Pickup a journeyman in Free agency?
I still think Kubiak is a "great" (all lower caps) offensive coordinator. Schaub was a 3rd round draft pick that excelled in Kubiak's system. I think Tj is smart enough to play in this system, at least for a back up.

I think Keenum is going to be great running this offense.

But you should always be drafting QBs, just like you should always be drafting OL, pass rushers, & CB.

I'd take a flyer on Freeman if he's taking vet minimum, just like taking a look at Lienart or Grossman & if I've got someone I like better than Tj I wouldn't hesitate to make the swap.
 

Hervoyel

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I think you do exactly what the Redskins did, drafted RG3 then turned around and drafted Cousins in the 2nd round(?)

If Keenum is your guy for next year, still take a good QB with the 1st or 2nd round pick and have him in the waiting.
I say that you have too many other needs to do that (if as you're saying we are convinced that Keenum is the guy to take the Texans there).

In that scenario I'm looking for a RT in the first if I can get him and an ILB in the second. I have no time for luxury item QB's who will sit on the bench behind Keenum. Yates can do that and an older veteran can do that behind Yates.

Maybe if one really falls. Maybe. Most likely though I wait until 2015 or later if I think Keenum is the second coming of Drew Brees.
 

thunderkyss

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Lots of football still to be played and while it may no longer be about the playoffs it is still about our future.
Indy is still a winnable game at home.

Arizona, Jacksonville, & Oakland are as well. There's no reason we can't be 6-5 by the time we get to New England. Let's say we lose that one & we're 6-6.

We go to Jacksonville..... 7-6

Stranger things have happened, we might win in Indy.

Denver...... the secret is defense & ToP, same as it's always been. We can beat Denver at home. (or maybe they sit their starters, who knows?)

@Tennessee why not? 10-6.


A four game win streak, lose to New England, another 4 game win streak. Maybe we'll get a wild card & play Cincy on the road again.
 

drs23

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Case did not look like a deer in the headlights like Schaub despite his inexperience. There were no turtle sacks and he threw downfield. He had good pocket presence and actually got the team to show some emotion. He exhibited leadership qualities and was not a flatliner like Schaub & Yates. The crowd at Reliant would cheer for him and make it louder. Give the guy a chance to see what he can do. It would take a few games to see if he can be the starter.
I agree with your entire post right up to the bolded. Case Keenum showed me all I need to see that he has the tools to be a quality NFL starter. Granted, he needs a little more experience in order to cope with overloaded lines we saw late in the game but the man showed poise, moxie and the skills necessary to be a very capable starter in this league. I just hope Kubes can shake his man love for Schaub and do what he preaches. Doing what's best for the team.

I think we all saw what's best for the team at the QB position.

The youngster impressed the hell outta me and I don't think it was a fluke considering his debut arena.

Like others have preached (which I didn't really buy into), he has "IT". As has been pointed out prior if Graham and Nuk make a catch we have a comfortable win in one of the most hostile environments in the league.

I saw enough to become a believer.
 

thunderkyss

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I agree with your entire post right up to the bolded. Case Keenum showed me all I need to see that he has the tools to be a quality NFL starter.
They generally act differently after they've taken a few good shots. I feel pretty good about him so far, but lets see what he looks like after a few more.
 

Thorn

Dirty Old Man
I've seen enough to know he's better that Schaub or Yates, and that's all I need to know for now.
 

jaayteetx

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I agree with your entire post right up to the bolded. Case Keenum showed me all I need to see that he has the tools to be a quality NFL starter. Granted, he needs a little more experience in order to cope with overloaded lines we saw late in the game but the man showed poise, moxie and the skills necessary to be a very capable starter in this league. I just hope Kubes can shake his man love for Schaub and do what he preaches. Doing what's best for the team.

I think we all saw what's best for the team at the QB position.

The youngster impressed the hell outta me and I don't think it was a fluke considering his debut arena.

Like others have preached (which I didn't really buy into), he has "IT". As has been pointed out prior if Graham and Nuk make a catch we have a comfortable win in one of the most hostile environments in the league.

I saw enough to become a believer.
Agree with most but the throw to Nuk was bad, it should've been to the outside shoulder away from coverage.
 

EllisUnit

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have they looked at our record since last year after we lost to the new England?

look at the poll on chron.com....completely lopsided toward keenum
They are just going based on names, i bet a majority of the voters didnt see Case play last week either. Remember the bootleg where case just keep moving around and hit AJ for that 45 yard pass ? That kind of stuff is fun to watch, i see so much upside to Case that i cant helped but be pumped about his next game, and i know he could lead this team where it wants to be.
 

Scooter

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They are just going based on names, i bet a majority of the voters didnt see Case play last week either. Remember the bootleg where case just keep moving around and hit AJ for that 45 yard pass ? That kind of stuff is fun to watch, i see so much upside to Case that i cant helped but be pumped about his next game, and i know he could lead this team where it wants to be.
i think i spent most of the game saying "matt schaub cant do that". it was fun to watch those plays, stuff that we havent seen in our 11 years. the floater to hopkins for a touchdown was another, matt cant drop in the over-the-shoulder rain maker like that. the cross-body bomb to graham without having time to plant his feet was beautiful. running towards the line of scrimmage and firing a strike was great. even losing i had a huge grin. no quarterback in our tenure has made those throws, forget about doing it in one half of play. it's taking all i've got to temper my enthusiasm, and as yall see, it's not working lol.
 

EllisUnit

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i think i spent most of the game saying "matt schaub cant do that". it was fun to watch those plays, stuff that we havent seen in our 11 years. the floater to hopkins for a touchdown was another, matt cant drop in the over-the-shoulder rain maker like that. the cross-body bomb to graham without having time to plant his feet was beautiful. running towards the line of scrimmage and firing a strike was great. even losing, i had a huge grin. no quarterback in our tenure has made those throws, forget about doing it in one half of play. it's taking all i've got to temper my enthusiasm, and as yall see, it's not working lol.
No doubt it was really fun to watch. This was keenums first game, he will learn to since the pass rush better. I'm sure the game was still really fast for him, and even with it his first NFL game. He looked like a confident vet out there to me.

Best thing about it for me was seeing him run down the field jumping up and down after the TD pass to hopkins, i love the kids enthusiasm. He makes watching this team fun again.
 

76Texan

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Agree with most but the throw to Nuk was bad, it should've been to the outside shoulder away from coverage.
The coverage was to the outside.
The CB was looking for the outside fade.
Hopkins was looking to the inside all the way.
He had both hands on the ball.
The CB did a good job recovering and poke the ball out.
Hopkins, IMO, misjudge the flight of the ball by a hair; he wasn't able to use his body to shield the defender from the ball.
The ball placement was good; only Hopkins can catch the ball.
 

76Texan

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They are just going based on names, i bet a majority of the voters didnt see Case play last week either. Remember the bootleg where case just keep moving around and hit AJ for that 45 yard pass ? That kind of stuff is fun to watch, i see so much upside to Case that i cant helped but be pumped about his next game, and i know he could lead this team where it wants to be.
The Hail Mary was at least 50 yards; it headed right at Graham, but Jean had a hand on it first, only to tip it away.
 

76Texan

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i think i spent most of the game saying "matt schaub cant do that". it was fun to watch those plays, stuff that we havent seen in our 11 years. the floater to hopkins for a touchdown was another, matt cant drop in the over-the-shoulder rain maker like that. the cross-body bomb to graham without having time to plant his feet was beautiful. running towards the line of scrimmage and firing a strike was great. even losing i had a huge grin. no quarterback in our tenure has made those throws, forget about doing it in one half of play. it's taking all i've got to temper my enthusiasm, and as yall see, it's not working lol.
Between the throw to Graham on the bootleg like you said, and the hail-Mary pass, I have no idea why some people, like Leebig, keep insisting that Keenum doesn't have the arm. I'm afraid I might go bald scratching my head.
 

76Texan

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No doubt it was really fun to watch. This was keenums first game, he will learn to since the pass rush better. I'm sure the game was still really fast for him, and even with it his first NFL game. He looked like a confident vet out there to me.

Best thing about it for me was seeing him run down the field jumping up and down after the TD pass to hopkins, i love the kids enthusiasm. He makes watching this team fun again.
He saw the pass rush alright.
He did one better; he ate a sack from an overload blitz by the DB because he realized that another defender was dropping back to try to intercept any pass to the hot route. That would have been a pick by Schaub; probably a pick-six too.

The Chiefs were baiting him there; they certainly knew about "our tendency".

The same thing happened on the first fumble.
Both Newton, and especially Brook, got beat right off the bat.
Keenum was trying to buy a little time for Graham to clear when the second guy got to him.
I would have liked for Keenum to take the sack right away there; that one was on him.

But think about it, if either Newton or Brook had done their job just a hair better (don't get beat so bad so quickly), Keenum would have made that play.

The second fumble was unfortunate.
Brown got beat to the inside, Keenum never had a chance to even get rid of the ball.
If he raises his arm; he would have been clobbered.
 

Rey

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The coverage was to the outside.
The CB was looking for the outside fade.
Hopkins was looking to the inside all the way.
He had both hands on the ball.
The CB did a good job recovering and poke the ball out.
Hopkins, IMO, misjudge the flight of the ball by a hair; he wasn't able to use his body to shield the defender from the ball.
The ball placement was good; only Hopkins can catch the ball.
Placement was good, not great.

It's really a minor thing but he could have put it a bit higher and not as far out front. But you're right, it was a good ball and right until he dropped it at the end I thought it was TD.
 

thunderkyss

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Between the throw to Graham on the bootleg like you said, and the hail-Mary pass, I have no idea why some people, like Leebig, keep insisting that Keenum doesn't have the arm. I'm afraid I might go bald scratching my head.
I thought the throw to Graham was the only one that impressed me. They all had too much air under them. Those weren't throws I thought other QBs couldn't or haven't made.

But the one where he didn't get to set his feet, where it was all arm... that showed potential.
 

76Texan

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Remember the play where Keenum threw the ball at the feet of our guys?
He saw right away that the play was dead as a defender was waiting to intercept the quick pass; Keenum simply lived to played another down.
And some people complained about it. :kubepalm:
 

76Texan

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Placement was good, not great.

It's really a minor thing but he could have put it a bit higher and not as far out front. But you're right, it was a good ball and right until he dropped it at the end I thought it was TD.
And so I didn't use the term "great".
Honestly, any time the receiver had both hands on the ball; it's a good throw.
Even Kubiak had to say that Hopkins caught that ball 9 out 10 times;
I prefer 29 out of 30 though.
 

76Texan

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I thought the throw to Graham was the only one that impressed me. They all had too much air under them. Those weren't throws I thought other QBs couldn't or haven't made.

But the one where he didn't get to set his feet, where it was all arm... that showed potential.
I keep saying that Keenum is a Walsh-type of QB, as opposed to a Madden-type of QB.

Madden wants his QB to zip it every time, not so with Walsh.
He only requires a throw on the rope when needed; otherwise, he wants a catchable ball.
Besides, Keenum is a short guy, he does need a little more lob to get the ball past the pass rusher.
 

Carr Bombed

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Any NFL receiver worth his salt who is able to get both his hands on a ball will tell you he should make the catch. Was the pass perfect, no, but that's picking at straws.. it was good enough and QBs don't always make perfect passes, sometimes you just have to make a play for your QB. This comment has nothing to do with what I think about Hopkins' ability as Andre doesn't even always make the play. I'm sure Hopkins will make plenty of tougher catches in the future, it just didn't happen this time.
 

DocBar

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Any NFL receiver worth his salt who is able to get both his hands on a ball will tell you he should make the catch. Was the pass perfect, no, but that's picking at straws.. it was good enough and QBs don't always make perfect passes, sometimes you just have to make a play for your QB. This comment has nothing to do with what I think about Hopkins' ability as Andre doesn't even always make the play. I'm sure Hopkins will make plenty of tougher catches in the future, it just didn't happen this time.
It would've been a helluva catch. The ball could've been placed better, no doubt. I would say that both DHOP and Case wish they could run that play again. Growing pains. Better than seeing the death throes from Schaub.
 


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