All Encompassing Andre Johnson Thread (Just got some disturbing news about A Johnson)

[Texian]

I think we're on the same page except I do not presume any unguaranteed money will be paid. It may be likely, but if AJ retires, it won't get paid like the signing bonus which has already been paid though not yet fully accounted for in the cap. Thus I see benefit in converting ANY unguaranteed money to Guaranteed money, even if it is the same or less. You know, the bird in the hand...

If AJ retires he forfeits all future salaries. The Texans are still accountable for $11 mil + in money they restructured w/ AJ in previous seasons (dead money). If AJ is on the 53 man roster Day 1 of regular season, at that point, his 2014 salary does become fully GTD. My hypothetical, post #1367, explains in detail the workings of a restructured contract and how it only rearranges how the money is paid.

This is the way it actually works, AJ's 2015 salary cap allocation is $16,144,583 and his 2016 salary cap allocation is $14,675,000, before any restructuring in 2014. Let's say AJ restructured $7 million of his 2014 salary and the Texans write AJ a check for $7 million at the time they restructure converting that part of salary to a signing bonus. AJ's NEW 2015 salary cap allocation would be $19,644,583 and his NEW 2016 salary cap allocation would become $18,175,000 to account for the new $7 million signing bonus. AJ's weekly game checks would change from $10 million divided by 17 weeks to $3 million divided by 17 weeks to reflect the $7 million signing bonus.

 

[EllisUnit]

The Texans got a team friendly deal(s) because on the first contract after his rookie contract AJ negotiated the deal on his own without an agent. The second contract was done by his uncle, which was a below market level deal. If AJ had brought in a proper agent to negotiate the contract, things would be much better for AJ. He has only himself to blame for the way the contract is set.

Wasn't AJ the highest paid WR in the NFL at one point, not our fault players keep making more and more money every season, not to mention everytime he restructured he got more money up front anyways.

I wish my company would give me a company friendly deal such as the one AJ got

 

[NCTexan]

This has to be the most epic offseason thread ever. We are literally making stuff up now because there is nothing else.

QFT

 

[IDEXAN]

Wasn't AJ the highest paid WR in the NFL at one point, not our fault players keep making more and more money every season, not to mention everytime he restructured he got more money up front anyways.

I wish my company would give me a company friendly deal such as the one AJ got

True dat.
AJ is like most old people, and he's getting old in NFL years. But old folks have
trouble with getting old, have trouble accepting the limitations they didn't have when they were young. It's perfectly natural, but of course the Texans can't give into him just because he's acting childish in his old age.

 

[Hervoyel]

True dat.
AJ is like most old people, and he's getting old in NFL years. But old folks have
trouble with getting old, have trouble accepting the limitations they didn't have when they were young. It's perfectly natural, but of course the Texans can't give into him just because he's acting childish in his old age.

It may be time for someone important to have "the talk" with Dre

And yeah, it's got a typo in it. It's not important enough to me to go back and fix.

Typo fixed. I couldn't live with it. I tried

 

[TheDrifter]

And yeah, it's got a typo in it. It's not important enough to me to go back and fix.

...but its all I can see.

 

[Honoring Earl 34]

It may be time for someone important to have "the talk" with Dre

And yeah, it's got a typo in it. It's not important enough to me to go back and fix.

Dre .... watch out for Zed .

 

[Troy Chapman]

Wasn't AJ the highest paid WR in the NFL at one point, not our fault players keep making more and more money every season, not to mention everytime he restructured he got more money up front anyways.

I wish my company would give me a company friendly deal such as the one AJ got

For one season he was, then Fitzgerald signed his deal. But I agree, Houston has taken care of AJ.

 

[IDEXAN]

It may be time for someone important to have "the talk" with Dre

And yeah, it's got a typo in it. It's not important enough to me to go back and fix.

Typo fixed. I couldn't live with it. I tried

Always wondered what the significance of that band aid on the back of Ving Rhames neck was in that great role he played in PF ? Never thought it was just a random band aid because that's a weird place for a band aid, right, unless he gets his flu shot in the back of his neck, what the hell is it doing there on his neck ?

 

[CloakNNNdagger]

For those who argue the point that NFL teams tear up contracts and release players all the time, so it should be fair for players to do the same, I have to ask this. Players are insisting more and more for more and more lucrative guaranteed monies in their contracts. That means that those players can play like crap for several years and the teams have very little recourse except to essentially eat it.

 

[EllisUnit]

For those who argue the point that NFL teams tear up contracts and release players all the time, so it should be fair for players to do the same, I have to ask this. Players are insisting more and more for more and more guaranteed monies in their contracts. That means that those players can play like crap for several years and the teams have very little recourse except to essentially eat it.

I personally think it is dumb that people think players are treated unfairly, hell give me some 3rd string our Practice squad money to do nothing and see if i complain i will gladly get off the bench after a score to celebrate with the guys who actually play, even though it sounds like hard work i'd be willing to do it

 

[xtruroyaltyx]

For those who argue the point that NFL teams tear up contracts and release players all the time, so it should be fair for players to do the same, I have to ask this. Players are insisting more and more for more and more lucrative guaranteed monies in their contracts. That means that those players can play like crap for several years and the teams have very little recourse except to essentially eat it.

I think there are risks on both sides of some contracts.

To flip your scenario, JJ Watt is being underpaid. They aren't going to go back and repay him for out-performing his contract.

I can't speak for others, but when I say that the owners can cut a player before the contact is up, I'm just talking about the termination of contacts. There are all kinds of other things in contracts which may help and/or hurt the player and/or the team.

I don't fault either side. Just pointing out Andre is doing what he feels is best for him just like the team is going to always do what they feel is best for them.

 

[cbs1507]

I personally think it is dumb that people think players are treated unfairly, hell give me some 3rd string our Practice squad money to do nothing and see if i complain i will gladly get off the bench after a score to celebrate with the guys who actually play, even though it sounds like hard work i'd be willing to do it

Well conversely I don't see how people think the players are unfair to the organization. You let me build a stadium with other people's money, give me a CBA that heavily favors my interest over my workers (including a hard salary cap which clearly favors the owners), and then profit billions of dollars turning around and charging those people (u know the ones who helped build the stadium in the first place) to see my team. I'm not gonna complain about a player trying to get a little more money (of course I'm going to try to give him as little as possible). You see how it can go both ways. The fact of the matter is the are no millions of dollars for the players, and no billion dollar owners without the people who support it all in the first place. So I really don't understand how anyone can complain period.

 

[EllisUnit]

Well conversely I don't see how people think the players are unfair to the organization. You let me build a stadium with other people's money, give me a CBA that heavily favors my interest over my workers (including a hard salary cap which clearly favors the owners), and then profit billions of dollars turning around and charging those people (u know the ones who helped build the stadium in the first place) to see my team. I'm not gonna complain about a player trying to get a little more money (of course I'm going to try to give him as little as possible). You see how it can go both ways. The fact of the matter is the are no millions of dollars for the players, and no billion dollar owners without the people who support it all in the first place. So I really don't understand how anyone can complain period.

That is everyday life, i worked for a company who made about 30 billion a year and had a total salary of 7 million a year for all of its employees while i made 80 a year, while the CEO and board members were getting 30-40 million dollar bonuses.

Then they started cutting employees benefits, laying people off saying that we all had to make sacrifices to keep the company a float, well a week later the CEO received a 50 million dollar bonus. Yeah really fair.

People who actually contribute to society get the shaft plenty, and we get no guarantee money, what you think my boss would of done if i had held out for more money HAHA.

 

[badboy]

Wasn't AJ the highest paid WR in the NFL at one point, not our fault players keep making more and more money every season, not to mention everytime he restructured he got more money up front anyways.

I wish my company would give me a company friendly deal such as the one AJ got

are you one of the top three in U.S. at what you do?

 

[EllisUnit]

are you one of the top three in U.S. at what you do?

Never know , and my job actually contributed to society. The gas you use to get to the stadium, the fuel for the teams to fly to their out of town games, the stuff that helps heat millions of homes around the country. You know just that kind of unimportant stuff.

 

[badboy]

For those who argue the point that NFL teams tear up contracts and release players all the time, so it should be fair for players to do the same, I have to ask this. Players are insisting more and more for more and more lucrative guaranteed monies in their contracts. That means that those players can play like crap for several years and the teams have very little recourse except to essentially eat it.

OTOH an owner can make crap decisions including hiring coaches, team doctors, have crappy stadiums and locker rooms, etc and players have no say. Oh and owners keep asking for more and more from advertisers, media outlets...

 

[CretorFrigg]

OTOH an owner can make crap decisions including hiring coaches, team doctors, have crappy stadiums and locker rooms, etc and players have no say. Oh and owners keep asking for more and more from advertisers, media outlets...

Welcome to corporate America. We all have to deal with it. The difference is most of us don't make millions.

 

[EllisUnit]

OTOH an owner can make crap decisions including hiring coaches, team doctors, have crappy stadiums and locker rooms, etc and players have no say. Oh and owners keep asking for more and more from advertisers, media outlets...

You know what i would say to players who complain about that, welcome to the semi real world just without the BIG guaranteed money !

 

[badboy]

I think there are risks on both sides of some contracts.

To flip your scenario, JJ Watt is being underpaid. They aren't going to go back and repay him for out-performing his contract.

I can't speak for others, but when I say that the owners can cut a player before the contact is up, I'm just talking about the termination of contacts. There are all kinds of other things in contracts which may help and/or hurt the player and/or the team.

I don't fault either side. Just pointing out Andre is doing what he feels is best for him just like the team is going to always do what they feel is best for them.

watt is not being underpaid. The profession he agreed (chose) to work in set up a system for payment. He could have become a teacher, plumber or babysitter. Teams have to risk that players they sign will perform well from day one some do and some don't; it is a gamble for both sides. If a player does well, he negotiates for more as soon as he can. JJ is being paid exactly what he agreed to.

 

[badboy]

Never know , and my job actually contributed to society. The gas you use to get to the stadium, the fuel for the teams to fly to their out of town games, the stuff that helps heat millions of homes around the country. You know just that kind of unimportant stuff.

Not trying to be offensive but do you think sports does not contribute to society?

 

[EllisUnit]

watt is not being underpaid. The profession he agreed (chose) to work in set up a system for payment. He could have become a teacher, plumber or babysitter. Teams have to risk that players they sign will perform well from day one some do and some don't; it is a gamble for both sides. If a player does well, he negotiates for more as soon as he can. JJ is being paid exactly what he agreed to.

Pretty sure AJ is too.

 

[badboy]

Welcome to corporate America. We all have to deal with it. The difference is most of us don't make millions.

so it is a jealousy thing?

 

[EllisUnit]

so it is a jealousy thing?

No he means that this is the way the world works, most companies don't ask us if we want something done before they do it. Hey here is your new boss, here is your new co worker, hey this is now your job too. Just because they are million dollar athletes don't mean they should have a say in the business decisions of the company they are employed by. Just like the rest of us !

 

[badboy]

Pretty sure AJ is too.

We definitely agree but what he is doing is within the CBA and he will face consequences as he has chosen. I am saying let's just allow it to play out without condemning either side. For anyone to compare ourselves to players or owners is pretty humorous.

 

[xtruroyaltyx]

watt is not being underpaid. The profession he agreed (chose) to work in set up a system for payment. He could have become a teacher, plumber or babysitter. Teams have to risk that players they sign will perform well from day one some do and some don't; it is a gamble for both sides. If a player does well, he negotiates for more as soon as he can. JJ is being paid exactly what he agreed to.

Ok...Then no one is being overpaid either.

 

[badboy]

No he means that this is the way the world works, most companies don't ask us if we want something done before they do it. Hey here is your new boss, here is your new co worker, hey this is now your job too. Just because they are million dollar athletes don't mean they should have a say in the business decisions of the company they are employed by. Just like the rest of us !

Agreed and AJ is not asking to have a say in business decisions just his pay. You or anyone else can renegotiate your salary or benefits or schedule, etc IF you are willing to accept consequences as is this Texans player.

 

[EllisUnit]

We definitely agree but what he is doing is within the CBA and he will face consequences as he has chosen. I am saying let's just allow it to play out without condemning either side. For anyone to compare ourselves to players or owners is pretty humorous.

I agree i wouldn't compare myself to an owner or player, cause i think players and owners are spoiled and over payed !

At the end of the day this is just a game, and it pisses me off seeing players hold out for more money or because they are unhappy, while we have soldiers coming home from war missing legs/arms or have disabilities whom the government seems to forget about.

Just kind of ridiculous how spoiled these players have become IMO. And for this reason alone i could care less what happens to AJ or where he goes.

 

[EllisUnit]

Agreed and AJ is not asking to have a say in business decisions just his pay. You or anyone else can renegotiate your salary or benefits or schedule, etc IF you are willing to accept consequences as is this Texans player.

My consequences would be me getting fired haha

 

[badboy]

Ok...Then no one is being overpaid either.

Correct. Either player or team can negotiate changes as rules allow.

 

[CloakNNNdagger]

No he means that this is the way the world works, most companies don't ask us if we want something done before they do it. Hey here is your new boss, here is your new co worker, hey this is now your job too. Just because they are million dollar athletes don't mean they should have a say in the business decisions of the company they are employed by. Just like the rest of us !

There may be good reason for why teams don't look for guidance from their players.........weren't the official numbers: 78% of NFL players are bankrupt within 5 years of their retirement?

 

[EllisUnit]

There may be good reason for why teams don't look for guidance from their players.........weren't the official numbers: 78% of NFL players are bankrupt within 5 years of their retirement?

I heard OJ did pretty good right....or did i miss something

 

[badboy]

I agree i wouldn't compare myself to an owner or player, cause i think players and owners are spoiled and over payed !

At the end of the day this is just a game, and it pisses me off seeing players hold out for more money or because they are unhappy, while we have soldiers coming home from war missing legs/arms or have disabilities whom the government seems to forget about.

Just kind of ridiculous how spoiled these players have become IMO. And for this reason alone i could care less what happens to AJ or where he goes.

but don't you see a guy digging ditches think you make too much. Another thinks the ditchdigger...Just let it play out. We get butt hurt over this and it really does not effect us other than emotionally.

 

[EllisUnit]

but don't you see a guy digging ditches think you make too much. Another thinks the ditchdigger...Just let it play out. We get butt hurt over this and it really does not effect us other than emotionally.

The thing is that some of us started out as ditch diggers. Everyone has the opportunity to get promoted with hard work, get an education and get a better job. But we aren't all born with 4.3 speed yet dumb as a bag of rocks but making millions because of it.

And i think the ditch digger is underpaid. I believe if a man has to work over 50 hours a week to support his family comfortably that he is underpaid.

 

[Double Barrel]

Welcome to corporate America. We all have to deal with it. The difference is most of us don't make millions.

And the difference is that our jobs do not have the inherent potential to leave us paralyzed every time we do it.

Much less the long term health ramifications that often accompanies retired players when they are middle aged.

I agree i wouldn't compare myself to an owner or player, cause i think players and owners are spoiled and over payed !

At the end of the day this is just a game, and it pisses me off seeing players hold out for more money or because they are unhappy, while we have soldiers coming home from war missing legs/arms or have disabilities whom the government seems to forget about.

Just kind of ridiculous how spoiled these players have become IMO. And for this reason alone i could care less what happens to AJ or where he goes.

Why do you watch it if it pisses you off so much? :um?

And I honestly do not hear you complain about how much other entertainers earn. Actors and musicians routinely try to get as much money as they can, as well. Do they leave you angry, too?

And what is your solution(s)? It is a free market economy that allows these huge salaries to exist. It is simple supply and demand.

 

[badboy]

We want our players to be what we want them to be and we vest emotionally more than we should. I mean when Tom Hanks has a great line or Eric Clapton sings Tears in Heaven I get a tear in my eye but I don't jump off couch dropping food as I do a fist pump and then a field goal kick while screaming "yeah baby!" Then high five others watching the game.

 

[EllisUnit]

And the difference is that our jobs do not have the inherent potential to leave us paralyzed every time we do it.

Much less the long term health ramifications that often accompanies retired players when they are middle aged.



Why do you watch it if it pisses you off so much? :um?

And I honestly do not hear you complain about how much other entertainers earn. Actors and musicians routinely try to get as much money as they can, as well. Do they leave you angry, too?

And what is your solution(s)? It is a free market economy that allows these huge salaries to exist. It is simple supply and demand.

I don't hear about other entertainers holding out for more money, and the NFL could of put a cap on player salaries long ago kind of like most companies do to employees. PLUS i only care about the texans and their players cause this is my hometown.

AND i don't complain about any of it until some people start complaining about how bad these NFL players have it. I mean really !?!?!?

 

[EllisUnit]

And the difference is that our jobs do not have the inherent potential to leave us paralyzed every time we do it.

Much less the long term health ramifications that often accompanies retired players when they are middle aged.



Why do you watch it if it pisses you off so much? :um?

And I honestly do not hear you complain about how much other entertainers earn. Actors and musicians routinely try to get as much money as they can, as well. Do they leave you angry, too?

And what is your solution(s)? It is a free market economy that allows these huge salaries to exist. It is simple supply and demand.

Oh and not true i worked in the oilfield for 7 years and the injury rate there is the highest of any job profession in the US besides being a deployed soldier.

I have friends who have lost arms, feet, legs 2 guys i know are paralyzed from the waist down from 11 Joints of pipe falling on them. And most guys make 60-100 a year doing that.

 

[Double Barrel]

We want our players to be what we want them to be and we vest emotionally more than we should. I mean when Tom Hanks has a great line or Eric Clapton sings Tears in Heaven I get a tear in my eye but I don't jump off couch dropping food as I do a fist pump and then a field goal kick while screaming "yeah baby!" Then high five others watching the game.

yeah, I get all of that. Being a fan of a sports team is different than being a fan of a band or actor.

That said, it's all just entertainment at the end of the day. And I do not fault anyone for trying to improve their lot in life.

I don't hear about other entertainers holding out for more money, and the NFL could of put a cap on player salaries long ago kind of like most companies do to employees. PLUS i only care about the texans and their players cause this is my hometown.

AND i don't complain about any of it until some people start complaining about how bad these NFL players have it. I mean really !?!?!?

You've never heard of an actors strike?

List of Hollywood strikes

Point is that you cannot compare your job to something that is highly specialized. It's different worlds. And no man should judge another for trying to do what they think is right in their lives.

I understand the emotional attachment to a team, but I guess I don't get the envy and anger that some folks carry around over an entertainment medium.

My anger is directed at pedophiles, rapists, murderers, not some athlete that catches a ball for my enjoyment. That's all I'm trying to point out. I guess I just don't get the anger and negative emotions that some have about this kind of stuff.

 

[Double Barrel]

Oh and not true i worked in the oilfield for 7 years and the injury rate there is the highest of any job profession in the US besides being a deployed soldier.

I have friends who have lost arms, feet, legs 2 guys i know are paralyzed from the waist down from 11 Joints of pipe falling on them. And most guys make 60-100 a year doing that.

I've got great respect for America's workers, so please do not take this the wrong way.

However, the oilfield is not even top 10 in this country.

America's 10 Deadliest Jobs

1. Logging workers
2. Fishers and related fishing workers
3. Aircraft pilot and flight engineers
4. Roofers
5. Structural iron and steel workers
6. Refuse and recyclable material collectors
7. Electrical power-line installers and repairers
8. Drivers/sales workers and truck drivers
9. Farmers, ranchers, and other agricultural managers
10. Construction laborers

And I think you kinda' missed my original point. But I'm not going to argue it. You are coming from a place of emotion that I do not possess about this subject, so it is a pointless endeavor in the end.

 

[corytx8]

Confirmed with my sources, his salary is indeed guaranteed if he is on the roster come day 1 of the regular season.



I know this sounds a little "out there" but I almost feel like AJ wants more guaranteed money to make himself un-tradeable or un-cutable for 2014 & 2015. Make his dead money outweigh his cap number. It's a way out of left field thought.... I think he knows that 2014 could easily be his last season with Houston and could be a cap casualty for the 2015 offseason. He would have to replicate his 2012 & 2013 numbers in 2014 to get a decent deal somewhere. But looking at his QB situation and the new offensive system that allows other players to get involved...he knows he could easily have a low production year. Kubiak's system assisted AJ in his big yards each year (not taking away from his talent and ability).



So say he has a 75-800-5 line for 2014...and is released. Going into 2015 he will be coming up on 34 years of age and looking at a much smaller contract elsewhere. I think he is trying to make sure he is on the Texans roster for 2014 & 2015. Has nothing to do with re-building.

This ^

 

[EllisUnit]

yeah, I get all of that. Being a fan of a sports team is different than being a fan of a band or actor.

That said, it's all just entertainment at the end of the day. And I do not fault anyone for trying to improve their lot in life.



You've never heard of an actors strike?

List of Hollywood strikes

Point is that you cannot compare your job to something that is highly specialized. It's different worlds. And no man should judge another for trying to do what they think is right in their lives.

I understand the emotional attachment to a team, but I guess I don't get the envy and anger that some folks carry around over an entertainment medium.

My anger is directed at pedophiles, rapists, murderers, not some athlete that catches a ball for my enjoyment. That's all I'm trying to point out. I guess I just don't get the anger and negative emotions that some have about this kind of stuff.

I have no hatred towards athletes, i do think it is silly to whine about money when they are making millions and millions for playing a game, and i think it is even more silly for people to think they are so mistreated, that's all.

 

[EllisUnit]

I've got great respect for America's workers, so please do not take this the wrong way.

However, the oilfield is not even top 10 in this country.

America's 10 Deadliest Jobs

1. Logging workers
2. Fishers and related fishing workers
3. Aircraft pilot and flight engineers
4. Roofers
5. Structural iron and steel workers
6. Refuse and recyclable material collectors
7. Electrical power-line installers and repairers
8. Drivers/sales workers and truck drivers
9. Farmers, ranchers, and other agricultural managers
10. Construction laborers

And I think you kinda' missed my original point. But I'm not going to argue it. You are coming from a place of emotion that I do not possess about this subject, so it is a pointless endeavor in the end.

OK so you yourself just confirmed that these lower paying jobs are more hazardous than being an NFL athlete. And these guys contribute more to society than an NFL athlete.

That's my whole point.

 

[steelbtexan]

Wasn't AJ the highest paid WR in the NFL at one point, not our fault players keep making more and more money every season, not to mention everytime he restructured he got more money up front anyways.

I wish my company would give me a company friendly deal such as the one AJ got

So you got the job?

Great News

 

[steelbtexan]

There may be good reason for why teams don't look for guidance from their players.........weren't the official numbers: 78% of NFL players are bankrupt within 5 years of their retirement?

LOL
True

 

[The Pencil Neck]

OK so you yourself just confirmed that these lower paying jobs are more hazardous than being an NFL athlete. And these guys contribute more to society than an NFL athlete.

That's my whole point.

That's where society disagrees with you.

It may not seem right but in a Capitalism-based society, it's the market that primarily determines and sets the price of things. And in our society, people pay to be entertained. Whether that's with music, film, TV, or sports, people are willing to pay a lot to see and hear things that entertain them. Because of that, popular entertainers are paid a lot. Now... they're not the people that make the most money in that market but they are the most visible.

These entertainers are contributing something to society. And based on how much money society is willing to pay for it, and despite what people may say they believe, OUR society values the contribution of an athletic freak playing a kid's game a whole lot more than it values the contribution of a firefighter, a policeman, or a soldier. Our society is willing to pay some doofus on a TV show more than it's willing to pay the guy risking his life to supply the wood for the stand his TV set sits on.

But the entertainers may be making a ton of money but that's NOTHING compared to the people who own the teams, own the networks, and own the production companies. The people who pay the entertainers' salaries, those are the guys who are making the real money in all this. If you want to be pissed off about someone's salary, be pissed off at those guys not the entertainer.

A teacher or a firefighter may be more important but they are not more valued. Hopefully, in the future, there will be societies whose values more closely reflect actual importance but it's not any modern society and it's not going to be any time soon.

 

[steelbtexan]

And the difference is that our jobs do not have the inherent potential to leave us paralyzed every time we do it.

Much less the long term health ramifications that often accompanies retired players when they are middle aged.



Why do you watch it if it pisses you off so much? :um?

And I honestly do not hear you complain about how much other entertainers earn. Actors and musicians routinely try to get as much money as they can, as well. Do they leave you angry, too?

And what is your solution(s)? It is a free market economy that allows these huge salaries to exist. It is simple supply and demand.

My job does

Being a free market guy I believe the players/Owners should get as many $$$$ as they can. I do have a problem with taxpayer funded stadiums and the ever increasing costs of taking a family to a game.

 

[steelbtexan]

I've got great respect for America's workers, so please do not take this the wrong way.

However, the oilfield is not even top 10 in this country.

America's 10 Deadliest Jobs

1. Logging workers
2. Fishers and related fishing workers
3. Aircraft pilot and flight engineers
4. Roofers
5. Structural iron and steel workers
6. Refuse and recyclable material collectors
7. Electrical power-line installers and repairers
8. Drivers/sales workers and truck drivers
9. Farmers, ranchers, and other agricultural managers
10. Construction laborers

And I think you kinda' missed my original point. But I'm not going to argue it. You are coming from a place of emotion that I do not possess about this subject, so it is a pointless endeavor in the end.

Football players?

 

[EllisUnit]

So you got the job?

Great News

Ummm no just didn't know how else to put it without sounding like a loser haha

 

[steelbtexan]

That's where society disagrees with you.

It may not seem right but in a Capitalism-based society, it's the market that primarily determines and sets the price of things. And in our society, people pay to be entertained. Whether that's with music, film, TV, or sports, people are willing to pay a lot to see and hear things that entertain them. Because of that, popular entertainers are paid a lot. Now... they're not the people that make the most money in that market but they are the most visible.

These entertainers are contributing something to society. And based on how much money society is willing to pay for it, and despite what people may say they believe, OUR society values the contribution of an athletic freak playing a kid's game a whole lot more than it values the contribution of a firefighter, a policeman, or a soldier. Our society is willing to pay some doofus on a TV show more than it's willing to pay the guy risking his life to supply the wood for the stand his TV set sits on.

But the entertainers may be making a ton of money but that's NOTHING compared to the people who own the teams, own the networks, and own the production companies. The people who pay the entertainers' salaries, those are the guys who are making the real money in all this. If you want to be pissed off about someone's salary, be pissed off at those guys not the entertainer.

A teacher or a firefighter may be more important but they are not more valued. Hopefully, in the future, there will be societies whose values more closely reflect actual importance but it's not any modern society and it's not going to be any time soon.

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