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EllisUnit said:
That is not the point, the point is that every hard working man should be able to comfortably provide for his family. Employees who actually make a company possible from the ground up deserve better pay then a lot of them are getting.

Sure the person with an education should make more, but for some americans to have 3 jobs just to barely get by shows failure of American society.

No one i repeat no one should make 30+ million a year while their employees struggle to put food in their families mouths. And say what you will but these rich CEOs/companies get tax breaks like you would not believe. Hell go look at some of these major corporation tax returns they get every year while paying in virtually nothing. While some middle class pay in all year and have to pay in again at the end of the year.

American society has led people to believe this kind of stuff is morally ok, when it is not. America is the land of greed not opportunity.
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You tell em Comrade EllisUnit!

One thing though. I wonder why the line to immigrate to the US is so much longer than any other line? I suggest you get out of the country a little bit and look around. It's an eye opener. With all due respect, If you want socialism there are plenty of options for you. Be careful what you wish for.

Personally I am proud to work 3 jobs to support my family. It's my responsibility and I will work 2 more if that is what it takes. And even though I have paid into the system my entire life, I have never taken even one penny out, and with the way SS is going, it will not be there for me when I'm 65. The idea that someone can say people's salaries should be capped because there are ditch diggers who work harder physically than a CEO is nonsense.

The hard work I put into supporting my family instills the same work ethic in my children, which will serve them well the rest of their lives, and if I am lucky they will pass that same mindset, and the memory of the sacrifices I made for them onto future descendants.

I'll take America, warts and all over ANYTHING else out there!
 
Nitrofish said:
You tell em Comrade EllisUnit!

One thing though. I wonder why the line to immigrate to the US is so much longer than any other line? I suggest you get out of the country a little bit and look around. It's an eye opener. With all due respect, If you want socialism there are plenty of options for you. Be careful what you wish for.

Personally I am proud to work 3 jobs to support my family. It's my responsibility and I will work 2 more if that is what it takes. And even though I have paid into the system my entire life, I have never taken even one penny out, and with the way SS is going, it will not be there for me when I'm 65. The idea that someone can say people's salaries should be capped because there are ditch diggers who work harder physically than a CEO is nonsense.

The hard work I put into supporting my family instills the same work ethic in my children, which will serve them well the rest of their lives, and if I am lucky they will pass that same mindset, and the memory of the sacrifices I made for them onto future descendants.

I'll take America, warts and all over ANYTHING else out there!
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Not saying i don't love America, but in the land of opportunity a hard working man like you should be able to support your family with one job. If you just enjoy working 3 jobs good for you, but if most people could make all that money at one job that they would.

I wont argue about this anymore with anyone. If some of you think that hard working Americans shouldn't get paid good just because they don't have a good education then fine. While the companies profit billions, evade paying taxes and receive huge refunds.

Then i don't know what to say i guess the poor should just keep getting poorer while the rich keep getting richer.
 
EllisUnit said:
Your first sentence above is laughable, i suppose sweat shop workers agree with you.

And i know google is hard for some morons so i will help you with a few easy links.

http://www.usnews.com/opinion/artic...eryone-else-pays-for-big-businesss-tax-breaks

http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/business/2013/10/23/big-companies-pay-no-taxes/2480281/

http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2014/05/giant-corporations-scam-tax-refunds/

http://www.sfgate.com/business/netw...big-break-in-federal-income-taxes-5267883.php

http://www.alternet.org/corporate-a...porations-have-basically-stopped-paying-taxes

Sometimes you amaze me with your lack of brain capacity. Your welcome.
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Before you talk about lack of brain capacity you should learn how to use your and you're properly.


I asked you to talk about your findings because anyone can post links. You don't actually understand what you are posting other than talking points you may have remembered. Individuals get us fed tax breaks or write offs for foreign taxes paid, individuals typically have much lower effective tax rates vs their marginal rates, individuals also get preferential tax treatment for qualified dividend income. Also Warren's secretary make 300k+ a year in ordinary income so her tax rate isn't off
 
2012Champs said:
Before you talk about lack of brain capacity you should learn how to use your and you're properly.


I asked you to talk about your findings because anyone can post links. You don't actually understand what you are posting other than talking points you may have remembered. Individuals get us fed tax breaks or write offs for foreign taxes paid, individuals typically have much lower effective tax rates vs their marginal rates, individuals also get preferential tax treatment for qualified dividend income. Also Warren's secretary make 300k+ a year in ordinary income so her tax rate isn't off
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your missing my point, youre not listening, i think youre confused....

First off let me tell you that i do know what i'm talking about, that big cluster **** of words you wrote up there means nothing, but blah blah. Do you even know what you typed ? Big corporations make billions pay a lot of their employees nothing and get big returns. SIMPLE FACTS.

But thank you for the grammar lesson if i ever get over my Penis envy and decide to write a book about what an idiot i am i will give ya a shout.
 
EllisUnit said:
Not saying i don't love America, but in the land of opportunity a hard working man like you should be able to support your family with one job. If you just enjoy working 3 jobs good for you, but if most people could make all that money at one job that they would.
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Where does this idea a single person should be able to carry their family comfortably?

EllisUnit said:
I wont argue about this anymore with anyone. If some of you think that hard working Americans shouldn't get paid good just because they don't have a good education then fine. While the companies profit billions, evade paying taxes and receive huge refunds.

Then i don't know what to say i guess the poor should just keep getting poorer while the rich keep getting richer.
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Getting paid and getting paid well enough to take care of your family comfortably is another. Again with your lack of understanding of business and taxation. It really just sounds like envy on your part
 
EllisUnit said:
your missing my point, youre not listening, i think youre confused....

First off let me tell you that i do know what i'm talking about, that big cluster **** of words you wrote up there means nothing, but blah blah. Do you even know what you typed ? Big corporations make billions pay a lot of their employees nothing and get big returns. SIMPLE FACTS.
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What are you talking about paying nothing? That's not a fact. That's you being emotional and not backing up your ideas with logic


EllisUnit said:
But thank you for the grammar lesson if i ever get over my Penis envy and decide to write a book about what an idiot i am i will give ya a shout.
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You couldn't write a book
 
2012Champs said:
Where does this idea a single person should be able to carry their family comfortably?





Getting paid and getting paid well enough to take care of your family comfortably is another. Again with your lack of understanding of business and taxation. It really just sounds like envy on your part
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I don't know if you grew up sucking on your moms tit, but i worked in the oilfield for 7 years. 100 hour weeks to support my wife and 3 kids. It was no fun but i did it.

It is not a lack of business knowledge, it is very simple. A company who brings in billions can pay their employees more than they pay them, especially when they are not paying much tax and getting billion dollar returns from the the government.

But whatever dude it seems to me you think that their should be an obvious gap between poor, middle and the rich class.
 
EllisUnit said:
I don't know if you grew up sucking on your moms tit, but i worked in the oilfield for 7 years. 100 hour weeks to support my wife and 3 kids. It was no fun but i did it.

It is not a lack of business knowledge, it is very simple. A company who brings in billions can pay their employees more than they pay them, especially when they are not paying much tax and getting billion dollar returns from the the government.

But whatever dude it seems to me you think that their should be an obvious gap between poor, middle and the rich class.
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It's "there should be" comical


You do lack the business knowledge. What oil company did you work for? I could go over exxon's numbers if you think all these billions would help on the trickle down. I would offer to breakdown walmart's numbers too. You don't understand the numbers and facts behind it all.

Most oilfield workers aren't working 52 weeks a year if your work week is 100 hours but please add more drama where it isn't needed
 
EllisUnit said:
Nothing compared to the profit they make genius, thought that was obvious.
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You simply don't understand what happens to the figures once dividend among a workforce. I'm sure you reposted the "give every American 20,000.00 instead of bailing out the banks" Facebook post years back too
 
2012Champs said:
It's "there should be" comical


You do lack the business knowledge. What oil company did you work for? I could go over exxon's numbers if you think all these billions would help on the trickle down. I would offer to breakdown walmart's numbers too. You don't understand the numbers and facts behind it all.

Most oilfield workers aren't working 52 weeks a year if your work week is 100 hours but please add more drama where it isn't needed
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Chesapeake energy for the subsidiary Hodges Trucking company, we moved drilling rigs. I made 16 dollars an hour and i made 87K in 2010, then went to mgmt in 2011 to 2014. Oh yeah and this was in the Eagleford

Call and verify if you think i'm adding drama !
 
2012Champs said:
You simply don't understand what happens to the figures once dividend among a workforce. I'm sure you reposted the "give every American 20,000.00 instead of bailing out the banks" Facebook post years back too
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Oh like some of the big companies who got bailed out and then turned around and gave their entire board members big bonuses. haha
 
EllisUnit said:
Chesapeake energy for the subsidiary Hodges Trucking company, we moved drilling rigs. I made 16 dollars an hour and i made 87K in 2010, then went to mgmt in 2011 to 2014.

Call and verify if you think i'm adding drama !
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16.00/ hr x 40 x 52 = 33,280

53,729x24/52=43 hours


884 hours short of your claim


Also of note should you get paid more because you decided to have 3 kids and I have none?
 
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EllisUnit said:
Citigroup
Bank of America
Goldman Sachs

That is only a few examples since it is banks you mentioned above. Need more ?
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So post the timeline of the bailouts, the bonuses and when both occurred. Again this is an area I'm far more familiar with than you are. I think you are confusing board members with executives, not that it matters to your point but illustrates a point of mine
 
2012Champs said:
16.00/ hr x 40 x 52 = 33,280

53,729/24/52=43 hours


884 hours short of your claim


Also of note should you get paid more because you decided to have 3 kids and I have none?
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HAHA

Ok do some basic math which seems hard for you.

16x40=640 dollars.

Then times and a half lets just say 80 hours a week so

24x40=960

960+640= 1600

52 weeks in a year so

1600x52=83000 a year
 
EllisUnit said:
HAHA

Ok do some basic math which seems hard for you.

16x40=640 dollars.

Then times and a half lets just say 80 hours a week so

24x40=960

960+640= 1600

52 weeks in a year so

1600x52=83000 a year
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So was it 80 hour weeks or 100? I'm pretty sure you did nothing to address my math as it was spot on. Also who's choice was it to have 3 kids? Yours or your employer?
 
2012Champs said:
So was it 80 hour weeks or 100? I'm pretty sure you did nothing to address my math as it was spot on. Also who's choice was it to have 3 kids? Yours or your employer?
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you said i was 884 short ? 884 what short ?

80 hours is an average of hours worked a week.i didn't always work exactly 100, it was between 80-100. OK i can see you have not worked many hourly jobs or over time. So i am really done trying to explain this to someone who has no clue.

Good luck !
 
If you took all walmarts exec comp and gave it to the workers instead every employee would get an extra 36.00 a year or 0.70 per week

Exxon would be an extra 973 a year or 18.71 per week
 
EllisUnit said:
you said i was 884 short ? 884 what short ?

80 hours is an average of hours worked a week.i didn't always work exactly 100, it was between 80-100. OK i can see you have not worked many hourly jobs or over time. So i am really done trying to explain this to someone who has no clue.

Good luck !
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You said 100 hour work weeks. Based on your income figures you avg 83 a week if you never got more than time and a half. Meaning if you worked a single 100 hour week the next week was 66 max. You don't have to explain anything to me because I understand math. 884 would have been the hours short to work 100 hr weeks all year. It couldn't always be between 80-100 as I point out how "average" works
 
2012Champs said:
If you took all walmarts exec comp and gave it to the workers instead every employee would get an extra 36.00 a year or 0.70 per week

Exxon would be an extra 973 a year or 18.71 per week
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Horse crap but if someone wants to continue the executive compensation debate then please take it to the NSZ.
 
infantrycak said:
Horse crap but if someone wants to continue the executive compensation debate then please take it to the NSZ.
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It's not horse crap nor is it a debate. the sheer volume of employees cuts down those millions to nothing in most cases. People who cry about exec comp vs the little guy rarely understand the math behind the volume of employees
 
2012Champs said:
You said 100 hour work weeks. Based on your income figures you avg 83 a week if you never got more than time and a half. Meaning if you worked a single 100 hour week the next week was 66 max. You don't have to explain anything to me because I understand math. 884 would have been the hours short to work 100 hr weeks all year. It couldn't always be between 80-100 as I point out how "average" works
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There was a slight flaw in my math that was pointed out to me. If you had a single 100 hour week you would have roughly 5.5 weeks at 80 hour to maintain the 83 hour average
 
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Seems the thread has turned into one big verbal slap fight:slapfight:

Guess I should stop checking it to see if there is actually any AJ news.
 
2012Champs said:
It's not horse crap nor is it a debate. the sheer volume of employees cuts down those millions to nothing in most cases. People who cry about exec comp vs the little guy rarely understand the math behind the volume of employees
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So the point is they would only give 36 cents to each employ as opposed to .0036 cents an average employ would give . :roast:

ps. AJ will be back by training camp . :pinned:
 
Some info on AJ:

On Wednesday, Johnson came in as the 21st-best player in the NFL on NFL Network's list.

"First and foremost, he's just a freakish athlete, even this late in his career," teammate Duane Brown said in NFL Network's piece. "Great combination of size, speed, great route running ability, can catch everything. He's just a tremendous competitor and he's a great example for all of us."

Johnson is the second Texan to be revealed on the list. Duane Brown was 86th.

In 2013, Johnson caught 109 passes for 1,407 yards and five touchdowns. It was his fourth-career season with 100-plus catches and 1,400-plus yards.

"Some people said he lost a step, but nah," Whitney Mercilus said. "I really dont think so."

Johnson played well in 2013 but the Texans weren't good; they went 2-14.

Johnson, 32, is frustrated about the losing and skipped all of the team's recent spring practices, including the mandatory minicamp.
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http://bleacherreport.com/tb/ddpjT?...medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=houston-texans
 
Honoring Earl 34 said:
So the point is they would only give 36 cents to each employ as opposed to .0036 cents an average employ would give . :roast:

ps. AJ will be back by training camp . :pinned:
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The actual point is that exec comp and the crazy multiple it is to other employees wouldn't be some windfall if it was all passed on to the rest of the employees(in most cases)
 
Honoring Earl 34 said:
Oh ... so the executive gets the lifeboat cause not everyone else will fit .
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Wtf are you talking about? Bitching that the low end guys don't get enough to provide a comfortable life for your family while pointing out exec comp is silly given that most of the time giving up all exec comp wouldn't impact low end workers lifestyle. It's not the execs comp that is keeping you from earning more


The same silly poor me crap comes up when talking about the price of gas and oil companies comp. It is something the complainers don't put the math to
 
Honoring Earl 34 said:
Oh ... so the executive gets the lifeboat cause not everyone else will fit .
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2012Champs said:
Wtf are you talking about? Bitching that the low end guys don't get enough to provide a comfortable life for your family while pointing out exec comp is silly given that most of the time giving up all exec comp wouldn't impact low end workers lifestyle. It's not the execs comp that is keeping you from earning more


The same silly poor me crap comes up when talking about the price of gas and oil companies comp. It is something the complainers don't put the math to
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You trying to justify something ? :choke:

AJ will get the itch like the rest of us and he'll be back .
 
CretorFrigg said:
That's a good play by Peterson. He was in position, made a play on the ball. We got lucky on that play. **** happens.
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That was a good play by Peterson. But it was a better play by A.J. Notice how A.J. tipped the ball from Peterson's hands to himself.
boggles my mind that we didn't throw the fade to A.J. more often.
perhaps O'Brien will call that play more frequently.
...of course that begs the question do we have a QB that can make that throw...?
:thinking:

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I think we might. That was Keenum to Johnson for six in the 4th qtr.
oh wait... O'Brien picked the old guy to start...
 
ObsiWan said:
That was a good play by Peterson. But it was a better play by A.J. Notice how A.J. tipped the ball from Peterson's hands to himself.
boggles my mind that we didn't throw the fade to A.J. more often.
perhaps O'Brien will call that play more frequently.
...of course that begs the question do we have a QB that can make that throw...?
:thinking:
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Wasn't that Keenum who threw that ?
 
PapaL said:
Wasn't that the only type of pass he could complete? Rainbows to AJ.
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Well two of his three TD passes that day were to A.J....

...but you say that like throwing TDs to AJ is a bad thing...
doesn't happen near enough for my tastes
:)
 
ObsiWan said:
Well two of his three TD passes that day were to A.J....

...but you say that like throwing TDs to AJ is a bad thing...
doesn't happen near enough for my tastes
:)
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Nope ... Keenum is the only guy to throw it and let AJ make a play . Schaub did it vs Miami at the end of the game but not for a TD .
 
2012Champs said:
Wtf are you talking about? Bitching that the low end guys don't get enough to provide a comfortable life for your family while pointing out exec comp is silly given that most of the time giving up all exec comp wouldn't impact low end workers lifestyle. It's not the execs comp that is keeping you from earning more


The same silly poor me crap comes up when talking about the price of gas and oil companies comp. It is something the complainers don't put the math to
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oh while i'm at

Citigroup
Chairman Salary 373 Thousand - Total compensation 6.1 Million
CEO 250 Thousand - Total compensation 573 Thousand
CFO 403 Thousand - Total compensation 19.4 Million
CAC 500 Thousand - total compensation 7.1 Million
VC 500 Thousand - Total compensation 6.8 Million
CEOGB 212 Thousand - Total Compensation 9.9 Million
VC 212 Thousand - Total compensation 7.6 Million
FCCEO 1 Million - Total compensation 15.1 Million

Salary Total for 2007 for these 8 employees 3.238 Million Dollars - Total Compensation 72 Million Dollars

In 2008 they laid off over 73,056 people as their "plan to knock down expenses by 20%". Oh and this was also when they received Billions from tax payers to bail their company out so it could stay afloat. YET they issued 5.3 BILLION dollars in bonuses to their "top" employees. Some simple math for you is just the bonuses alone are enough to pay those 73,000 employees over 72,000 dollars each that year. and we both know on average their employees did not average over 70K a year.
 
EllisUnit said:
oh while i'm at

Citigroup
Chairman Salary 373 Thousand - Total compensation 6.1 Million
CEO 250 Thousand - Total compensation 573 Thousand
CFO 403 Thousand - Total compensation 19.4 Million
CAC 500 Thousand - total compensation 7.1 Million
VC 500 Thousand - Total compensation 6.8 Million
CEOGB 212 Thousand - Total Compensation 9.9 Million
VC 212 Thousand - Total compensation 7.6 Million
FCCEO 1 Million - Total compensation 15.1 Million

Salary Total for 2007 for these 8 employees 3.238 Million Dollars - Total Compensation 72 Million Dollars

In 2008 they laid off over 73,056 people as their "plan to knock down expenses by 20%". Oh and this was also when they received Billions from tax payers to bail their company out so it could stay afloat. YET they issued 5.3 BILLION dollars in bonuses to their "top" employees. Some simple math for you is just the bonuses alone are enough to pay those 73,000 employees over 72,000 dollars each that year. and we both know on average their employees did not average over 70K a year.
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You said the companies got bailed out and turned around and gave their board members big bonuses yet you post 07 exec comp(not board members) figures and the bailout was in 08. Not to mention bonuses are paid early in the year for the year prior.

The 5 billion in bonuses weren't for the board or executive and at the time Citigroup had in excess of 300k employees. I was one of them and many employees had a significant portion of their total comp comprised of bonus. Mine at the time was 50% of total comp and it's much lower now as a percentage while my overall comp is much higher(this is actually worse for the company btw)

Also of the 70k in layoffs do you know what the cost of their severance package was? You don't have a clue how many of those folks were paid a great deal of them far in excess of 70k each paid in a lump sum which made them eligible to draw unemployment immediately.

I know very well what happened a citi through those times because I was there and like I said your ignorance continues because you don't understand.


Let me be clear on something, I'm not saying exec comp in excess is justified(that's a debate for a different time) what I am saying is that it is not keeping you from your comfortable living wage. Just because you work hard doesn't mean you should have a comfortable living for you and your family. Your comfort level for instance might have been higher if you didn't have 3 kids, that's your choice though not your employer.
 
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