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All Encompassing Andre Johnson Thread (Just got some disturbing news about A Johnson)

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consider... I don't think it will affect Jj's decisions in the future. The "same thing" can't happen to JJ. Andre went through nine NFL seasons before realizing what a winning season felt like. Jj was on a winning team as a rookie.

Andre went through 11 full seasons before he experienced a play off game. Jj, only one. More than half of Aj's career has been on a losing team. Two thirds of Jj's season has been on a winning team.

What's Andre going to say, "Don't trust these guys to put together a winning franchise."?

How's Jj going to assimilate that when all he knows is that this organization has put together a team that should win. & the reason they didn't win last season got ran out of town.

Exactly. Their perspectives are totally different and that will be a big factor in the matter. JJ's almost always been on a winning, competitive team here. Dre had the lean years, then the .500 years, and then got to win a little. He's taking last years collapse pretty badly but he needs to get over it because 2014 is coming right at them and the Texans are not going 2-14 or even 4-12 again. This team has every chance to win in 2014 but if the offenses best player wants to sit around and sulk over 2013 then that's his call but I think it's a bad plan.
 
The Pats took Mallett at 74 with Brady in his prime and Hoyer as the back up.
Now they took Garropolo in the second with Mallett at back up.
Looks like Belichik has never trusted Brady.


I think TK is right. Belichick knows Brady isn't going to last forever. He's looking for the next Steve Young after Joe Montana, Aaron Rodgers after Brett Favre, and maybe Andrew Luck after Peyton Manning. Better to start looking now and not end up like Denver and Miami did when both their elite qbs retired.
 
Andre had plenty of chances during his time here to voice his frustration publicly. The timing makes me think this is about him not getting the new contract, and or he wanted Kubiak back.

My belief is that it has more do with his new coach. Overall, Andre displayed a lack of confidence in O'Brien's ability to turn the team around quickly. I'm disappointed in Andre Johnson. He's taking the focus off of the team and placing it squarely on him. Texans were building some momentum with a widely lauded draft then Johnson steps out into the limelight with ill-advised comments. Thanks Andre for stealing the Texans thunder. So much for setting a good example for the younger players to emulate.

If he has an issue with team history, I'm sure Coach O'Brien, GM Smith, and Owner McNair would listen intently given his stature with the team. Why publicize your frustration? Why make this about you? His recent antics are a detriment to his own legacy. Storming off the field after getting called out by his QB during a game. Now, he's skipping out on voluntary workouts and plans to miss the team's mandatory minicamp. I guess in his mind the team still "sucks" and doesn't believe in the team.

I hope that, for the sake of the franchise, the other players believe in the team. Coach O'Brien needs all of his players to buy into his vision for the team for the team to achieve success. I'm thankful for Andre Johnson's contributions to the city and to the team. Andre has been a model player, one of greatest football players to wear a football uniform in Houston. The way he's handling himself as a professional now is disappointing. I wish he was 100% behind Coach O'Brien's vision and play his part in a significant turnaround resulting in the Team's third trip to the playoffs in four years. It's obvious his mind is not focused on helping the Texans obtain this goal. I hope that GM Smith finds him a new home, one where he believes in the direction of the team.
 
Why the hell is Rick still here. I know whole other thread dedicated to this.
Could this be one reason AJ wants to leave? He has seen Rick's results and knows the definition of insanity.

Because the team was all Kubiak up to this point. Every player was one that Kubiak wanted. At least that's how I see it. The failure of last season can be put in his lap and his lap only. He tied every horse he had to the same carriage and it went off the side of the cliff. He never looked at developing a backup in case Schaub couldn't play. The team went to the playoffs with Yates, but it wasn't because of him. With Schaub coming back from his injury the time to look at a strengthening that position was in the draft that next year.

I don't want to see him play somewhere else. I also don't believe the Texans owe it to him so he can have a chance at a ring. Many greats never win a ring and the best pros will do what they can to get the team they are on to that level. Go out there and make whatever QB you have better.

This team won't take as long to rebuild because we don't have Kubiak and his slow plodding way of doing things getting in the way of progress. This wasn't a 2-14 team last year. Regardless of the record, they lost confidence in the QB and the Head Coach and the season spiraled. The defense can carry a lot of games this year. A healthy Foster will help. The QB play is bound to be better and we play an easier schedule in a pretty weak division. The teams that were wildcards last season haven't improved themselves. In KCs case they've gotten worse. The Broncos and Patriots will be there. The NFC North is tougher, but they tend to cannibalize themselves. I see 1 wildcard coming from there. 9 or 10 wins will get into the playoffs and there is nothing that I've seen that says this team can't get there.
 
My belief is that it has more do with his new coach. Overall, Andre displayed a lack of confidence in O'Brien's ability to turn the team around quickly. I'm disappointed in Andre Johnson. He's taking the focus off of the team and placing it squarely on him. Texans were building some momentum with a widely lauded draft then Johnson steps out into the limelight with ill-advised comments. Thanks Andre for stealing the Texans thunder. So much for setting a good example for the younger players to emulate.

If he has an issue with team history, I'm sure Coach O'Brien, GM Smith, and Owner McNair would listen intently given his stature with the team. Why publicize your frustration? Why make this about you? His recent antics are a detriment to his own legacy. Storming off the field after getting called out by his QB during a game. Now, he's skipping out on voluntary workouts and plans to miss the team's mandatory minicamp. I guess in his mind the team still "sucks" and doesn't believe in the team.

I hope that, for the sake of the franchise, the other players believe in the team. Coach O'Brien needs all of his players to buy into his vision for the team for the team to achieve success. I'm thankful for Andre Johnson's contributions to the city and to the team. Andre has been a model player, one of greatest football players to wear a football uniform in Houston. The way he's handling himself as a professional now is disappointing. I wish he was 100% behind Coach O'Brien's vision and play his part in a significant turnaround resulting in the Team's third trip to the playoffs in four years. It's obvious his mind is not focused on helping the Texans obtain this goal. I hope that GM Smith finds him a new home, one where he believes in the direction of the team.

Hold it, hold it, hold it.

1) Andre was at an event, and after the event, he was asked a question. He answered the question honestly. He did not purposely draw intention to himself. He did not call a press conference.

2) The Oakland game. That was the FIRST TIME he's ever done anything like that. And, given the state of the team at that point, you can't blame him. Andre is not a robot. We think he is, because he tends to be relaible and doesn't say much. But, he's not. He is a human being. Human beings have feelings and emotions, and have a breaking point. Andre reached his breaking point in the Oakland game.

3) There's no indication that he's not behind O'Brien's plans. It's quite possible that he simply is not motivated for YET ANOTHER long stretch of losing.

4) Long term vets skip out on voluntary workouts all the time. It's their right as vets. Not a big deal.
 
Because the team was all Kubiak up to this point. Every player was one that Kubiak wanted. At least that's how I see it. The failure of last season can be put in his lap and his lap only. He tied every horse he had to the same carriage and it went off the side of the cliff. He never looked at developing a backup in case Schaub couldn't play. The team went to the playoffs with Yates, but it wasn't because of him. With Schaub coming back from his injury the time to look at a strengthening that position was in the draft that next year.

I don't want to see him play somewhere else. I also don't believe the Texans owe it to him so he can have a chance at a ring. Many greats never win a ring and the best pros will do what they can to get the team they are on to that level. Go out there and make whatever QB you have better.

This team won't take as long to rebuild because we don't have Kubiak and his slow plodding way of doing things getting in the way of progress. This wasn't a 2-14 team last year. Regardless of the record, they lost confidence in the QB and the Head Coach and the season spiraled. The defense can carry a lot of games this year. A healthy Foster will help. The QB play is bound to be better and we play an easier schedule in a pretty weak division. The teams that were wildcards last season haven't improved themselves. In KCs case they've gotten worse. The Broncos and Patriots will be there. The NFC North is tougher, but they tend to cannibalize themselves. I see 1 wildcard coming from there. 9 or 10 wins will get into the playoffs and there is nothing that I've seen that says this team can't get there.

Agree 100 percent.

While I blame Rick Smith for the bad contracts and the lack of depth in a lot of positions, the overall state of the team is on the head of one Gary Kubiak. He drove this team into the ground. He had too much power, and everyone clearly catered to him.

Want proof? Look at who was fired at the same time as Kubiak. That told me that upper management wanted Marciano fired a long time ago, but Kubiak fought against it.

I don't want Andre to go anywhere else, either, but, I'm also very excited about the possible direction of this team.
 
It's ironic that some of you are saying negative things about Andre because he believes this team is rebuilding and then you base your argument on assumptions that this team can win now. I would think Andre has a better handle on where this team stands than random message board posters.
 
It's ironic that some of you are saying negative things about Andre because he believes this team is rebuilding and then you base your argument on assumptions that this team can win now. I would think Andre has a better handle on where this team stands than random message board posters.

dre is the only one that understands what is going on and right on cue, shameless texan homers rip him and are completely delusional about our contending status.

your starting quarterback is ryan fitzpatrick. how can anybody not read at as anything but a major rebuilding mode?

dre deserves bettter than this. trade him to fricso or seattle. he deserves a super bowl ring.
 
dre is the only one that understands what is going on and right on cue, shameless texan homers rip him and are completely delusional about our contending status.

your starting quarterback is ryan fitzpatrick. how can anybody not read at as anything but a major rebuilding mode?

dre deserves bettter than this. trade him to fricso or seattle. he deserves a super bowl ring.

I think it funny that anyone believes Dre deserves anything other than the pay that's owed to him. He hasn't done anything other than what he has been paid for as a professional football player. Just because he's a great player doesn't mean deserves a super bowl ring anymore than any other player.
 
dre is the only one that understands what is going on and right on cue, shameless texan homers rip him and are completely delusional about our contending status.

your starting quarterback is ryan fitzpatrick. how can anybody not read at as anything but a major rebuilding mode?


dre deserves bettter than this. trade him to fricso or seattle. he deserves a super bowl ring.


what....WHAT!?! BLASPHEMER! Fitzmagic is a football god playing against mere mortal children! His beard is that of legend, discussed in length by the Gods of Olympus and you dare speak his name in the same breath as rebuilding....

your day of reckoning is coming, my friend....ooooh it's coming....


GAZE UPON THE MAGIC! GAZE UPON LEGEND....GAZE UPON....

FITZMAGIC!!!!!

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I think it funny that anyone believes Dre deserves anything other than the pay that's owed to him. He hasn't done anything other than what he has been paid for as a professional football player. Just because he's a great player doesn't mean deserves a super bowl ring anymore than any other player.

No way, Lord Bills says it's so.
 
what....WHAT!?! BLASPHEMER! Fitzmagic is a football god playing against mere mortal children! His beard is that of legend, discussed in length by the Gods of Olympus and you dare speak his name in the same breath as rebuilding....

your day of reckoning is coming, my friend....ooooh it's coming....


GAZE UPON THE MAGIC! GAZE UPON LEGEND....GAZE UPON....

FITZMAGIC!!!!!

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That's going to be awesome when FitzMagic comes to fruition!
 
what....WHAT!?! BLASPHEMER! Fitzmagic is a football god playing against mere mortal children! His beard is that of legend, discussed in length by the Gods of Olympus and you dare speak his name in the same breath as rebuilding....

your day of reckoning is coming, my friend....ooooh it's coming....


GAZE UPON THE MAGIC! GAZE UPON LEGEND....GAZE UPON....

FITZMAGIC!!!!!

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Did he shave his beard?
 
It's ironic that some of you are saying negative things about Andre because he believes this team is rebuilding and then you base your argument on assumptions that this team can win now. I would think Andre has a better handle on where this team stands than random message board posters.

You would but Andre (like many who were closer to the team than we are) thought they were going to the Super Bowl last year.

By that standard he's no more accurate a predictor of the Texans chances than I am. Regardless one thing is clear. Their chances of winning right now are greater with Andre Johnson on board than they are with him sulking around and not learning the new offense with the rest of the guys.
 
dre is the only one that understands what is going on and right on cue, shameless texan homers rip him and are completely delusional about our contending status.

your starting quarterback is ryan fitzpatrick. how can anybody not read at as anything but a major rebuilding mode?

dre deserves bettter than this. trade him to fricso or seattle. he deserves a super bowl ring.

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Done with you.
 
I think it funny that anyone believes Dre deserves anything other than the pay that's owed to him. He hasn't done anything other than what he has been paid for as a professional football player. Just because he's a great player doesn't mean deserves a super bowl ring anymore than any other player.

The guy deserves a shot at a championship. I wish we could provide it for him, but let's be honest with ourselves, we can't. This team could potentially make the playoffs with a great year, but it's not going to the Super Bowl. It actually makes sense for both team and player to trade him, assuming we can get fair value.

It's not just the QB position holding this team back. We don't have the necessary players at almost any position, guys. Our defensive secondary especially is not even close to championship caliber.
 
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The guy deserves a shot at a championship. I wish we could provide it for him, but let's be honest with ourselves, we can't. This team could potentially make the playoffs with a great year, but it's not going to the Super Bowl. It actually makes sense for both teams to trade him, assuming we can get fair value.

It's not just the QB position holding this team back. We don't have the necessary players at almost any position, guys. Our defensive secondary especially is not even close to championship caliber.

There is no such thing as a single player deserves a championship in pro football its a team sport not an individual sport. smh
 
The guy deserves a shot at a championship... It actually makes sense for both teams to trade him, assuming we can get fair value.

Has he requested a trade?

Kirwin pegged fair value at 2nd round pick. Can we get that?

Is this about leaving, or might it be about wear & tear on his body and missing the workouts?

Could it be adding a little sweetener will fix it?
 
I think it funny that anyone believes Dre deserves anything other than the pay that's owed to him. He hasn't done anything other than what he has been paid for as a professional football player. Just because he's a great player doesn't mean deserves a super bowl ring anymore than any other player.

Well, no offense, but I think it's funny that some of y'all do not seem to understand the basic definition of "deserve":

"do something or have or show qualities worthy of (reward or punishment)".

Now perhaps it is a subjective thing, but my own take is elite talents like Earl Campbell, Dan Marino, Barry Sanders, Jim Kelly, and yes Andre Johnson (among many others) certainly show qualities worthy of a championship game.

That they did not achieve it is a damn shame from this football fan's perspective. Such is life, but we can still recognize that allegiance and loyalty to teams can often hinder players from reaching greatness.

All this bellyaching about what they get paid is ridiculously redundant. Those of you that whine about it need to stop watching the game, because guess what? THEY ALL ARE WELL PAID TO PLAY A FREAKIN' GAME.
 
There is no such thing as a single player deserves a championship in pro football its a team sport not an individual sport. smh

I said he deserves to have a shot at a championship, I didn't say he is entitled to have a ring on his finger. He's a great person and he's worked extremely hard his entire career. He has been a positive influence on every team he has been on. He is the type of guy NFL fans should root for.

What is so hard about admitting that a player deserves a shot? I'm not saying that we should give him away, we should get fair value. It isn't as if this is DeSean Jacksom trying to jump ship to a more competitive team. This is an older veteran that has given his all to us over the years.
 
Well, no offense, but I think it's funny that some of y'all do not seem to understand the basic definition of "deserve":

"do something or have or show qualities worthy of (reward or punishment)".

Now perhaps it is a subjective thing, but my own take is elite talents like Earl Campbell, Dan Marino, Barry Sanders, Jim Kelly, and yes Andre Johnson (among many others) certainly show qualities worthy of a championship game.

That they did not achieve it is a damn shame from this football fan's perspective. Such is life, but we can still recognize that allegiance and loyalty to teams can often hinder players from reaching greatness.

All this bellyaching about what they get paid is ridiculously redundant. Those of you that whine about it need to stop watching the game, because guess what? THEY ALL ARE WELL PAID TO PLAY A FREAKIN' GAME.
Their reward for their hard work is their pay the same as anyone for doing their job.
 
Hold it, hold it, hold it.

1) Andre was at an event, and after the event, he was asked a question. He answered the question honestly. He did not purposely draw intention to himself. He did not call a press conference.

2) The Oakland game. That was the FIRST TIME he's ever done anything like that. And, given the state of the team at that point, you can't blame him. Andre is not a robot. We think he is, because he tends to be relaible and doesn't say much. But, he's not. He is a human being. Human beings have feelings and emotions, and have a breaking point. Andre reached his breaking point in the Oakland game.

3) There's no indication that he's not behind O'Brien's plans. It's quite possible that he simply is not motivated for YET ANOTHER long stretch of losing.

4) Long term vets skip out on voluntary workouts all the time. It's their right as vets. Not a big deal.

Good post and I certainly see your point. He stated that he may not attend mandatory workouts. That's a problem no matter if it is a rookie or a veteran. As far as his words, doesn't really matter what the venue is or how he is approached there is no excuse for what he said. There are certain things that belong behind closed doors with the team. This franchise has some work to in order to improve and needs Johnson present for duty. The team doesn't have the time to coddle anyone. His selfish behavior is becoming a trend. Team does not need this headed into the season especially not from one its star players.
 
The guy deserves a shot at a championship. I wish we could provide it for him, but let's be honest with ourselves, we can't. This team could potentially make the playoffs with a great year, but it's not going to the Super Bowl. It actually makes sense for both team and player to trade him, assuming we can get fair value.

It's not just the QB position holding this team back. We don't have the necessary players at almost any position, guys. Our defensive secondary especially is not even close to championship caliber.

What team are you looking at? We don't have the necessary players at "almost any position"? Really?

RB? We got the players. WR? We got the players. OL/DL? We both got some players and we just drafted the hell out of some players. Secondary? We got some players. LB? We got some players. I think we've got the necessary players at most positions to get to the playoffs and quite possible win a couple of games. QB we got questions at. No doubt about it. Teams have made the climb with questions at QB. Guys have stepped up for a year and played lights out. Backups have come forward and led their teams to success.

This **** isn't impossible. It happens often. Just a couple of years ago Seattle was a joke to many and people were wondering what in the hell Pete Carroll was trying to accomplish with some of the moves he was making. Things change quickly in this league and despite the experiences of the last two regimes (The Kubiak era in particular) I have to believe that this can happen here as well

Nobody walks through the opposition like they aren't even there with a team full of Pro Bowlers at every position. The Giants won a couple of Super Bowls in the last decade with a retread coach and teams not all that much more talented or deep than the Texans are right now.

It's about getting the wins to make the postseason and getting hot at the right time.
 
What team are you looking at? We don't have the necessary players at "almost any position"? Really?

RB? We got the players. WR? We got the players. OL/DL? We both got some players and we just drafted the hell out of some players. Secondary? We got some players. LB? We got some players. I think we've got the necessary players at most positions to get to the playoffs and quite possible win a couple of games. QB we got questions at. No doubt about it. Teams have made the climb with questions at QB. Guys have stepped up for a year and played lights out. Backups have come forward and led their teams to success.

This **** isn't impossible. It happens often. Just a couple of years ago Seattle was a joke to many and people were wondering what in the hell Pete Carroll was trying to accomplish with some of the moves he was making. Things change quickly in this league and despite the experiences of the last two regimes (The Kubiak era in particular) I have to believe that this can happen here as well

Nobody walks through the opposition like they aren't even there with a team full of Pro Bowlers at every position. The Giants won a couple of Super Bowls in the last decade with a retread coach and teams not all that much more talented or deep than the Texans are right now.

It's about getting the wins to make the postseason and getting hot at the right time.

Yes, we don't have the necessary players at most positions to be a Super Bowl team.

QB, the most important and it's clear we don't have a SB quality talent here. Savage may develop, but remember that he has little experience, even in college. He's going to take a lot of development, unless some miracle magic happens.

RB, questionable at this point. If Foster is who he used to be and can stay healthy, we have a starter. Our backups are injury prone and/or rookies. Foster is dealing with injuries that have been described as potentially career threatening. Andre Brown has broken his leg twice now, right? Blue is encouraging, but also injury prone and relatively unproven, even in college.

WR, our second best group but still lacking in depth. Past Johnson and Hopkins, we have a group that is lacking in talent, experience, and/or production.

OL, maybe our best group and we still don't know what is going to happen at RT. I'm encouraged by the rookie G, but still a rookie as a starter.

TE, nothing to write home about unless Fied plays really well.

DL, Watt plus rookies (Nix is promising) and almost zero depth.

ILB, Cushing plus who? UDFAs from last year and this year. Cushing also needs to prove he is back to what he was before. He has had two significant injuries recently.

OLB, Clowney plus disappointments and zero depth.

S, Keo plus Swearinger and cheap FAs.

CB, JJ, who looks to be declining rapidly, Kareem and terrible depth. Harris is our starting nickel and the guys behind him are damn near rookies.

The lack of depth on defense across the board is downright scary. We are also going to be leaning on players coming off serious injuries. Cushing is going to have to play every snap it looks like, and Foster is going to have to get rest via injury prone and/or inexperienced players.

I like what we did in this draft, but this isn't a Super Bowl team, or close to it. Not yet anyway, although I like our recent draft and direction. As I said, with great coaching and improved play across the board, we can make the playoffs. Even then, we aren't going to the Super Bowl. It takes depth and attrition to have a Super Bowl caliber team.
 
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What team are you looking at? We don't have the necessary players at "almost any position"? Really?

RB? We got the players. WR? We got the players. OL/DL? We both got some players and we just drafted the hell out of some players. Secondary? We got some players. LB? We got some players. I think we've got the necessary players at most positions to get to the playoffs and quite possible win a couple of games. QB we got questions at. No doubt about it. Teams have made the climb with questions at QB. Guys have stepped up for a year and played lights out. Backups have come forward and led their teams to success.

This **** isn't impossible. It happens often. Just a couple of years ago Seattle was a joke to many and people were wondering what in the hell Pete Carroll was trying to accomplish with some of the moves he was making. Things change quickly in this league and despite the experiences of the last two regimes (The Kubiak era in particular) I have to believe that this can happen here as well

Nobody walks through the opposition like they aren't even there with a team full of Pro Bowlers at every position. The Giants won a couple of Super Bowls in the last decade with a retread coach and teams not all that much more talented or deep than the Texans are right now.

It's about getting the wins to make the postseason and getting hot at the right time.
Hope you are correct but this is definitely a glass half full post.

RB we have Foster who is returning from back surgery with no clue how he will perform or how often he will be used. We drafted a kid who is also coming off very serious injury. WR we have a frustrated AJ, a WR2 in Hopkins who had a good but not great year and then nothing behind them. Martin & Posey may step up or fall apart or be mediocre as in 2013. OL we have DB and Myers that are steady, Brooks who had avg year but shows potential, Quess who has yet to play a game coming off injury that may play RT. Newton coming off an injury he played with and WIlliams who may never play a down due to his serious injury. We drafted well with X and Fiedo and most say JD. All that is to be seen. We have one vet LB of value in Cush who has missed many games last 2 years + a draft pick in Bullough.
We have not had a back up step up IIRC in two years. So far, steak sizzling but not sure how it will taste once on the plate.
 
Their reward for their hard work is their pay the same as anyone for doing their job.

Man, I think you are just missing our point. But that's cool, we don't all have to see eye-to-eye or agree with each other. That's the great thing about a forum like this one.
 
For those who didn't click the link I provided back on page 21 ....

DESERVE HAS GOT NOTHING TO DO WITH IT.
 
That's a double edged sword in my opinion. AJ is special to the city and the organization and, imho, deserves special treatment in this situation. Letting anyone get away with this would be bad business.
Agreed. He's not just "anyone", why bother to try and treat him that way? Pretty sure this thread wouldn't be this long over Brooks Reed.

To those who want to see AJ on a contender:
Scenario - texans at contender. Texans are eliminated from playoffs mathematically. AJ is on contender and a win will help secure a playoff spot. Which team do you cheer for ?
Texans. I wouldn't be hurt if AJ won, but my TEAM is still the Texans. Playing spolier has its own rewards.

What's Andre going to say, "Don't trust these guys to put together a winning franchise."?
How about "Don't trust them to get it done anytime soon". Watt shold be smart enough to understand he rode a wave that was cresting.

Their reward for their hard work is their pay the same as anyone for doing their job.
I seriously hope you're just a worker bee and not a boss. That kind of attitude in management is what loses good employees.
 
Agreed. He's not just "anyone", why bother to try and treat him that way? Pretty sure this thread wouldn't be this long over Brooks Reed.

Texans. I wouldn't be hurt if AJ won, but my TEAM is still the Texans. Playing spolier has its own rewards.

How about "Don't trust them to get it done anytime soon". Watt shold be smart enough to understand he rode a wave that was cresting.

I seriously hope you're just a worker bee and not a boss. That kind of attitude in management is what loses good employees.
:toropalm: That's all have to say about your uninformed opinion of me. If you believe you know anything about me based on a few post in forum. smh
 
For those who didn't click the link I provided back on page 21 ....

DESERVE HAS GOT NOTHING TO DO WITH IT.

Sure, when you're killin' some punk-ass vigilante sheriff in the wild west that murdered your friend in cold blood. :howdy:

As for AJ and the Super Bowl, well pards, he'll be just like Earl in that his exceptional talent was never fully realized in this city.

But, I'll leave it with the wisdom of Mark Twain:

“It is better to deserve honors and not have them than to have them and not deserve them.”
~ Mark Twain
 
Their reward for their hard work is their pay the same as anyone for doing their job.

Why pay one guy, regardless of position or production, any more than anyone else? Everyone is just "doing their job".
Why are there MVP trophies for the season and the Super Bowl? Why is there a pro bowl game.
No need to give out any game balls for gutsy performances - they're just "doing their job".
Hell, why bother to put out the effort that yields an outstanding performance; they're just paying me to do my job, not to go above and beyond....

And you know what worries me is that O'Brien thinks this way too.
 
Why pay one guy, regardless of position or production, any more than anyone else? Everyone is just "doing their job".
Why are there MVP trophies for the season and the Super Bowl? Why is there a pro bowl game.
No need to give out any game balls for gutsy performances - they're just "doing their job". Hell, why bother to give an outstanding performance; they're just paying me to do my job, not go above and beyond....

And you know what worries me is that O'Brien thinks this way too.
His reward is the amount he is paid for being a great player. I never said he didn't deserve his pay. There isn't a such thing as above and beyond. Just because someone is better at something it doesn't mean they are working hard than the next person it just means they are more talented and for being more talented they will receive more pay.
 
His reward is the amount he is paid for being a great player. I never said he didn't deserve his pay. There isn't a such thing as above and beyond. Just because someone is better at something it doesn't mean they are working hard than the next person it just means they are more talented and for being more talented they will receive more pay.
Do you honestly believe that?
Do you really believe that there's no point in putting in extra time in the film room to learn your position and be better at it than the guy that has more speed or is genetically stronger than you? Or there's no point in putting in extra time at the jugs machine to make catching the ball second nature. Or there's no point in staying after practice to work on your routes with the starting QB so he knows when he throws the ball to a spot, you'll be at that spot.
Why should offensive linemen study their opponents' pass rush moves so they know what to expect and how to counter move? They just have to be bigger and stronger, right?
You don't really believe that do you?
I suppose the term "over-achiever" has no meaning for you because either you have ability or you don't. right??
 
It's May and Gary Kubiak is no longer the Head Coach of the Houston Texans. We've just had a very promising draft and for the first time in a long damn time I believe the Houston Texans have someone calling the football related shots who knows what he's trying to do and how to do it.

I'm not going to quit being optimistic for anyone and that includes Andre Johnson.

Part of the solution or part of the problem? What's it gonna be Dre?

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31 pages about AJ's status and if he deserves to be traded?

The season is 4 months away. They will figure out how to make eachother happy.

If the unthinkable happens then it needs to be on terms best for the TEXANS. Not AJ. If our team gets better by trading AJ then do it. If it makes our team worse then AJ will stay.



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Do you honestly believe that?
Do you really believe that there's no point in putting in extra time in the film room to learn your position and be better at it than the guy that has more speed or is genetically stronger than you? Or there's no point in putting in extra time at the jugs machine to make catching the ball second nature. Or there's no point in staying after practice to work on your routes with the starting QB so he knows when he throws the ball to a spot, you'll be at that spot.
Why should offensive linemen study their opponents' pass rush moves so they know what to expect and how to counter move? They just have to be bigger and stronger, right?
You don't really believe that do you?
I suppose the term "over-achiever" has no meaning for you because either you have ability or you don't. right??

I never said a word of what you just spewed. I said being better than someone doesn't mean that you worked harder nor did I said that he didn't work harder. I believe everyone should work as hard as possible to be the best they can be at their chosen profession, but just because you work hard doesn't mean you will be the best or that the other guy isn't working just as hard. To me saying someone is an over-achiever is an insult to the work they put in and to their ability.
 
I never said a word of what you just spewed. I said being better than someone doesn't mean that you worked harder nor did I said that he didn't work harder. I believe everyone should work as hard as possible to be the best they can be at their chosen profession, but just because you work hard doesn't mean you will be the best or that the other guy isn't working just as hard. To me saying someone is an over-achiever is an insult to the work they put in and to their ability.

What overall point are you trying to make? You're simply talking in circles.

People are trying to explain that some folks work harder than others and therefore are looked at more favorably. If anyone deserves something above the normal reward, it's the person that works the hardest, sacrifices the most, and helps others, especially if they do it with great class.

This is really not a difficult concept to grasp and it is prevalent in the workplace, in all levels of schooling, in recreational sports, in social groups, in damn near everything.
 
:toropalm: That's all have to say about your uninformed opinion of me. If you believe you know anything about me based on a few post in forum. smh
You overestimate your importance. My post was in response to your comment, not an evaluation of your worth. Get over it.
 
What overall point are you trying to make? You're simply talking in circles.

People are trying to explain that some folks work harder than others and therefore are looked at more favorably. If anyone deserves something above the normal reward, it's the person that works the hardest, sacrifices the most, and helps others.

This is really not a difficult concept to grasp and it is prevalent in the workplace, in all levels of schooling, in recreational sports, in social groups, in damn near everything.

What makes you think that he works harder than the 53 other players on the team. Hate to break it to you they all work hard there may even be a few that work harder.
 
You overestimate your importance. My post was in response to your comment, not an evaluation of your worth. Get over it.
You where the one who stated opinion about my ability to be in charge of employees. So get over yourself and as far as overestimating my importance you couldn't be more wrong. I'm neither more or less important than any other person. I can see though if I have a different opinion than yours you have to try and belittle me. It's okay maybe your parents didn't hug you enough as a child.
 
Their reward for their hard work is their pay the same as anyone for doing their job.

His reward is the amount he is paid for being a great player. I never said he didn't deserve his pay. There isn't a such thing as above and beyond. Just because someone is better at something it doesn't mean they are working hard than the next person it just means they are more talented and for being more talented they will receive more pay.

I never said a word of what you just spewed. I said being better than someone doesn't mean that you worked harder nor did I said that he didn't work harder. I believe everyone should work as hard as possible to be the best they can be at their chosen profession, but just because you work hard doesn't mean you will be the best or that the other guy isn't working just as hard. To me saying someone is an over-achiever is an insult to the work they put in and to their ability.

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