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All Encompassing Andre Johnson Thread (Just got some disturbing news about A Johnson)
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IlliniJen
Hall of Fame
LOL, I wanted to tweet something to that effect to McClain. Whatever he says, the opposite happens. Guy has zero insight into the org or its players anymore.
EllisUnit
Vote RED!!!
Andre Johnson plays for the houston texans for free, you didn't know that ? what a guy !
You're right, it would hurt to lose him without someone ready to take his place.
EllisUnit
Vote RED!!!
If Johnson isnt happy let him either sit out the rest of the season and not get paid or retire, was one of my favorite players of all time before. But after this BS i could care less what he does or where he goes. He has a 1/32 chance of choosing a team that wins the superbowl, so good luck AJ, let me know how it works out for ya !
For what my opinion is worth been a UK fan... I would trade him to the team he wants.
Reasons been...
1. Free up a little cap space now.
2. Free up a lot of cap space next year.
3. Get a conditional pick for next draft.
5. Other players coming into our squad will know that we don't keep players if they are unhappy just to spite them.
Great player but no one player is bigger than the team. I want players that will sweat blood for us next year ( I know AJ has done on years past but that is the past)
Reasons been...
1. Free up a little cap space now.
2. Free up a lot of cap space next year.
3. Get a conditional pick for next draft.
5. Other players coming into our squad will know that we don't keep players if they are unhappy just to spite them.
Great player but no one player is bigger than the team. I want players that will sweat blood for us next year ( I know AJ has done on years past but that is the past)
That's a double edged sword in my opinion. AJ is special to the city and the organization and, imho, deserves special treatment in this situation. Letting anyone get away with this would be bad business.
Agreed. This is a win/win for the Texans, can't go wrong.
I love Andre, would love to see him play in nothing but battle red till the day he decides to hang up his cleats. But if he decides it's time to move on, then it's time to move on.
The thing I would hate, would be if the Texans pushed him out, or didn't want him anymore. Like the 'boys did with Emmit, or the 9ers did with Montana. He deserves better than that. & that's all he deserves.
The Texans have done right by him, the best that they could. I know we've all got ideas about how the Texans could have done better for Andre, but in truth, it's impossible for them to have done everything any one of us could have wanted & most likely would not have done much better. The teams out there that have done all the things we wanted the Texans to do aren't that great. Cleveland, Jax, Detroit... building a winning organization is a lot more involved than putting a bunch of good players on the field.
We've only been around for 12 years, Andre has been a big part of that. Not a whole lot of success, but the last eight years have been going in the right direction.
This year is huge in determining where this franchise is headed from this point forward. & what better way to send Andre out, than with a Super Bowl victory in 2017.
But that starts now. I don't see how anyone can look at this squad, after the draft, & not think we're going to field a very competitive team. Holes? Yeah we've got holes. But I bet the Seahawks were looking at a bunch of holes this time two years ago. I bet the 9ers were looking at a bunch of holes this time three years ago.
Neither team grabbed the stud QB flavor of the month that offseason. They got the guy they thought could best fit what they wanted to do & set him up to be successful.
I don't know if that guy is Keenum for us, or Savage, or even Tj Yates or Fitzpatrick. But I like our chances of winning a Super Bowl in the next three years better than the Lions, the Rams, or the Titans with their 1st round QBs.
Money, or winning. That's what FAs want. Either they're going to go to a team they think they can win with, or they're going to the team that will over pay them the most.
Rick Smith pretty much put a kabosh on the overpaying FA thing, so we need to work on that winning part. Until we get that out of the way, we're just pissing in the wind thinking we're going to go after the top FAs every off-season.
They had to have thought about it, but look at what happened with Omer Asik (different sport, but the same principals). It's got to be Andre's idea. The last thing the Texans need is for Andre to think the Texans don't want him.
JJ Watt has no idea what Andre went through & hopefully, most likely never will. He came into the league went to the play offs & established himself as a dominant player on a winning team.
Totally different situation. Jj Watt has been in the league three years. Been to the play offs twice, was on a team considered to be a favorite for the Super Bowl once (2013, they went 2-14 but that's a different story) and was on a team that should have won the Super Bowl (2011).
No comparison.
People were saying the same thing about Schaub's contract. He's nowhere near the player Andre is.
& it doesn't matter what Andre is scheduled to make in the future, none of it is guaranteed, unless he's on our roster.
We trade him to whoever.... say the Patriots who don't have the cap space. They offer him a contract extension with guaranteed money.... say $30M over the next three years with a $15M signing bonus on a five year contract. Reduce his salary to vet minimum, or more than likely an even $1M.
Then his cap hit is only $4M this year & manageable over the next three.
Dre mentioned his feelings to the team before the draft. This has nothing to do with the Texans not drafting a QB until the 4th.
If you go back & look, I've been saying our most glaring weakness was LG. Wade was worse than Newton for the last two years.
Fix that LG spot... & I think we did, Case Keenum will look like a pro bowler. Even if Newton screws the pooch on the edge, Keenum can step up & do his thing. But when Wade is impersonating bull fighters & Brooks has the occasional uh-oh... that's not an option.
Now, I also said that Keenum did nothing to prevent this team from drafting a QB on the first day (rounds 1-3), but I think draft grades & a shtload of underclassmen declaring took care of that.
This is the only type of salary cap mismanagement that the Texans are guilty of, if you ask me. But with a player like Andre, you have to decide if you're going to make that mistake or not.
Texian is right here, extending Andre year after year makes it less & less favorable for the Texans from a salary cap standpoint.
But last year, he was still among the top receivers like he was getting paid. It's just harder & harder to continue to expect that from him & when these guys stop playing like they are getting paid, it hurts your team.
That's where we were last year when OD got hurt, Arian got hurt, Cushing got hurt, Duane got hurt, & Manning & Jjo didn't play worth a crap.... that's a good chunk of salary cap that did not help us at all.
I'd rather have Andre next season than not, but you won't hear me complaining about Smith's cap management. I understand why it is what it is & think Andre here next year is the better of the two choices.
Same with Cushing, same with Arian.
Gotta Know
Practice Squad
Hence I wrote that Andre and JJ have talked about Andre's experience in Houston. You have to chase your dreams and not settle. Unless you really
believe in the direction a team is heading, you don't sell your career to a town/team.
Craig.
Nosebleeds
Not really a question. I'm not a fan of the other team.
Hence my response.
It doesn't matter what Andre is muttering in Watt's ear (though I believe Andre is way to classy to do such a thing). Watt's experience is totally different. His experience of the Texans trumps whatever Andre is muttering.
Jj Watt has been on two teams that should have at least been in the Super Bowl in his three years he's been in the league.
He didn't live through the misery Andre Johnson did, he's been living his dream up until last season.
What the Texans do this season will have more effect on Jj Watt than what Andre has been through.
If I'm Jj Watt, the Texans failure last season was just as much on me as it was the Texans. Can't say the same for Andre.
It might be heresy, but I'd be pulling for AJ's team in this scenario.
EllisUnit
Vote RED!!!
You actually do sell your career to a town/team if the $$$ is right. You think these guys would play for free just to win a superbowl, it may be important but in crunch time the ring is not that important.
Honestly AJ is hardly the first elite player in the NFL to never win a superbowl and he surely wont be the last. So what if he did not or does not ever win one. He was paid TONS AND TONS of money to play this "game". As someone else on here said, you are not guaranteed a Superbowl in your contract.
Hell with all this fuss he is making, and all the crying he is doing i just wish he would retire. He went from my favorite player to my least in a total of 3 sentences.
Texan_Bill
Hall of Fame
AGREED! I said this on a radio station when Lance Berkman left the DisAstros. I feel the same way!!
BTW, I just got some disturbing news. That is that Thorn is not 101 years old BUT IN FACT, 117 years old!!!
SMH....... Go figure!
Gotta Know
Practice Squad
Maybe YOU would sell your career to a team simply to get the most money. I know JJ wouldn't.
I doubt JJ would have to play for free on any team.
One thing I'm sure is that he'd rather take less money to play for a better team. Same as Andre would in retrospect. Remember, JJ didn't grow up dreaming of playing for the Texans.
Be honest here, what would make you personally happier, being a great player on a team with two playoff appearances amongst the other years where your team is a laughing stock, or taking a little less money and playing for a perennial contender?
And YES, in crunch time, a ring IS that important. That's what drives the best football players.
False Start
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Even if he did go to another team, I would pull for that team, unless we are playing them, or they are in our division.
Thorn
Dirty Old Man
That I understand, I do the same for the Seahawks. But damn, we should have beat the Seahawks last year. So close.
TheMatrix31
Hall of Fame
The Houston Texans, seeing as I am a fan of the Houston Texans.
Same here.
And on a semi-related note, how much do you think it eats at A.J. that Jacoby Jones, Vonte Leach, and Bernard Pollard all left Houston and then got a ring. Even little Trindon Holliday went to the big game and had a shot at one.
Meanwhile, AJ stayed here, toed the line, was a good soldier (albeit a very, very well paid soldier) and was rewarded with a 2-14 record.
Maybe he is feeling that he'd have better shot at a ring if he leaves town.
They did.
So did the aforementioned Lance Berkman.
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I cheer for the LOGO and the Cloth
players come and go but the Houston Texans will always be here
im not saying I like cheering for players and follow them but u know what I mean
my fav team is the Texans and I hope all 31 other teams LOSE HARD that's just how I feel
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Garrett on that last play was so wide open 2
but dumb ass schaub or kubes was so set on the play no matter what he was like a robot he was doing that play no matter what the Def did ..that and he turned his back oN THE DEF AND TURNED AROUND AND u betcha a DEF audible a safety was in his face
because Uncle Bob wants him to be.
we've been over this.
badboy
Hall of Fame
AJ is probably not interested in other players not winning a SB. He is a competitive player and wants a chance to win one. I understand that but hope he remains a Texans unless a huge trade can be orchestrated.
The Pats took Mallett at 74 with Brady in his prime and Hoyer as the back up.
Now they took Garropolo in the second with Mallett at back up.
Looks like Belichik has never trusted Brady.
Remember how Matt Schaub wasn't looking too bad, but since he was 30 "we" were saying we need to find his replacement regardless how "good" he might have looked? He's 32 now.
Tom Brady was 33 when they drafted Mallet.
They extended his contract before the 2013 season, surely expecting him to play another three seasons. He's 36 now, he'll turn 37 just as the 2014 season starts. Belichick is just making sure he isn't caught with his pants down.
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I think rick is married to one of mcnairs daughters or something so hes apart of the family now I guess ...
Nitrofish
Let The Big Fish Eat!
I know I will catch a ton of flak for saying this, but has it ever occurred to any of you that AJ might be fed up with the fan base, and the organization, and not all of these scenarios regarding QB's. rings, etc?
I am prety sure both AJ and Watt made it more than clear they were unhappy with the fan base last season with the way they cheered when Schaub was injured, and then the way they refused to show any respect for all of his years of service and allow Kubiak finish out the season. Cutting Daniels, and Manning, signing Fitzpatrick and a whole slew of other questionable actions this off season.
AJ said he thinks the Texans should trade the first pick. If he wanted a top tier QB that some of you think was actually in this draft, why would he call for trading the pick? It's clear to me he did not want a coaching change and all of the player turnover. One year removed for the franchises best season ever, and it's time to blow up the team? Yeah yeah, I know. 2-14 dude.
Even in his most recent comment AJ commented on having a 3rd head coach. He also seemed disappointed that he had only spoken with O'Brien once a week, or every couple of weeks. Perhaps he feels like he is being left out of the offense, or that he is next on the chopping block?
Seems to me AJ realizes that some of the people who make up this fan base are horrible, and do not deserve his loyalty because they will run him out of town like they have everyone else who did not meet their stringent criteria to be accepted as a Texans player. He is just beating the fans to the punch, and from the sound of some of these comments, it's clear he has a reason to believe that.
He sees what they did to Kubiak, Schaub, Daniels, Manning, Ryans just to name a few. He is smart enough to see the writing on the wall.
It sure will be interesting if he ends up on the Raiders like is being rumored. IMHO it would speak volumes about his feelings regarding the Texans fan base and organization, because outside of Raiders fans, there are few that would call the Raiders a contender right now. Because if it's all about winning, playoffs or winning a ring, he will not end up in Oakland, right?
Having said all that, it is my belief that AJ should finish out his contract. he has made plenty of quotes going back to the end of last season that he is under contract and has to play it out. He has also said he is ready to catch passes from whomever the Texans throw out there. But I cannot blame the guy for being disenchanted with the fan base, and Texans organization for the way they have handled themselves and treated some of the former players and coaches.
At least the Raiders fans love their team win or lose. They do not cheer when players are injured, or boo the starting QB when he trots out there no matter who it is. Sure all fans bases have their boo birds, or fair weather band wagon riders, but Texans fans seem to have an over abundance of them, which is evident from the long line of players they have run out of town. A large portion of the fan base made Houston look really bad nationally last season with the jersey burning, fans showing up at the starting QB's house yelling obscenities, cheering an injury and so on. Even the Rams players were commenting on how cold blooded that was. "That's messed up man"
Now before you guys starting spouting off about how much money AJ has been paid, or how he is lucky to play a kids game for a career, etc. just ask yourself. Would you rather play in Oakland, or Cleveland where the fan base support their team win or lose, or the Texans where one slip, and you are public enemy #1? Personally I would take the other teams. Dan Marino was one of the best QB's in the history of the NFL. He never won a ring. Barry Sanders, Earl Campbell. The list goes on and on. Winning is not everything.
AJ is incredibly rich, and he does not have to put up with that kind of treatment from fans. And I do not want to hear how you have a right to do those things because you buy tickets or gear. Nobody forces you to watch the games or buy the gear. When you buy a ticket to a movie, you do not get to decide how it ends, or who gets the girl, and the same hold true in the NFL. In real life, sometimes the good guy does not get the girl, or beat the bad guys. If you do not like the product, stop watching, stop buying the gear, but give the angry fan schtick a rest.
It's not a very smart way to attract quality players or coaches to the Texans if they know they are going to be devoured by fans who think they have a right to behave as some Texans (and Oilers) fans have.
I think there is anger amongst some of the fans because Dre is beating them to the punch. Only they can run a player out of town, none can leave on their own terms, not even the great Andre Johnson.
Mark my words, if fans continue down this road, JJ Watt is next to leave, and this city will become a place quality players and coaches will avoid regardless of $$$'s offered. I know I would.
Sorry about going over the 140 character limit mindset that has infected this world. Many of you can just respond with TLDR and add to your post count. It seems to be the only thing that is really important to some of you anyway.
It will be very interesting to see how this plays out over the next few weeks.
As you were...
I am prety sure both AJ and Watt made it more than clear they were unhappy with the fan base last season with the way they cheered when Schaub was injured, and then the way they refused to show any respect for all of his years of service and allow Kubiak finish out the season. Cutting Daniels, and Manning, signing Fitzpatrick and a whole slew of other questionable actions this off season.
AJ said he thinks the Texans should trade the first pick. If he wanted a top tier QB that some of you think was actually in this draft, why would he call for trading the pick? It's clear to me he did not want a coaching change and all of the player turnover. One year removed for the franchises best season ever, and it's time to blow up the team? Yeah yeah, I know. 2-14 dude.
Even in his most recent comment AJ commented on having a 3rd head coach. He also seemed disappointed that he had only spoken with O'Brien once a week, or every couple of weeks. Perhaps he feels like he is being left out of the offense, or that he is next on the chopping block?
Seems to me AJ realizes that some of the people who make up this fan base are horrible, and do not deserve his loyalty because they will run him out of town like they have everyone else who did not meet their stringent criteria to be accepted as a Texans player. He is just beating the fans to the punch, and from the sound of some of these comments, it's clear he has a reason to believe that.
He sees what they did to Kubiak, Schaub, Daniels, Manning, Ryans just to name a few. He is smart enough to see the writing on the wall.
It sure will be interesting if he ends up on the Raiders like is being rumored. IMHO it would speak volumes about his feelings regarding the Texans fan base and organization, because outside of Raiders fans, there are few that would call the Raiders a contender right now. Because if it's all about winning, playoffs or winning a ring, he will not end up in Oakland, right?
Having said all that, it is my belief that AJ should finish out his contract. he has made plenty of quotes going back to the end of last season that he is under contract and has to play it out. He has also said he is ready to catch passes from whomever the Texans throw out there. But I cannot blame the guy for being disenchanted with the fan base, and Texans organization for the way they have handled themselves and treated some of the former players and coaches.
At least the Raiders fans love their team win or lose. They do not cheer when players are injured, or boo the starting QB when he trots out there no matter who it is. Sure all fans bases have their boo birds, or fair weather band wagon riders, but Texans fans seem to have an over abundance of them, which is evident from the long line of players they have run out of town. A large portion of the fan base made Houston look really bad nationally last season with the jersey burning, fans showing up at the starting QB's house yelling obscenities, cheering an injury and so on. Even the Rams players were commenting on how cold blooded that was. "That's messed up man"
Now before you guys starting spouting off about how much money AJ has been paid, or how he is lucky to play a kids game for a career, etc. just ask yourself. Would you rather play in Oakland, or Cleveland where the fan base support their team win or lose, or the Texans where one slip, and you are public enemy #1? Personally I would take the other teams. Dan Marino was one of the best QB's in the history of the NFL. He never won a ring. Barry Sanders, Earl Campbell. The list goes on and on. Winning is not everything.
AJ is incredibly rich, and he does not have to put up with that kind of treatment from fans. And I do not want to hear how you have a right to do those things because you buy tickets or gear. Nobody forces you to watch the games or buy the gear. When you buy a ticket to a movie, you do not get to decide how it ends, or who gets the girl, and the same hold true in the NFL. In real life, sometimes the good guy does not get the girl, or beat the bad guys. If you do not like the product, stop watching, stop buying the gear, but give the angry fan schtick a rest.
It's not a very smart way to attract quality players or coaches to the Texans if they know they are going to be devoured by fans who think they have a right to behave as some Texans (and Oilers) fans have.
I think there is anger amongst some of the fans because Dre is beating them to the punch. Only they can run a player out of town, none can leave on their own terms, not even the great Andre Johnson.
Mark my words, if fans continue down this road, JJ Watt is next to leave, and this city will become a place quality players and coaches will avoid regardless of $$$'s offered. I know I would.
Sorry about going over the 140 character limit mindset that has infected this world. Many of you can just respond with TLDR and add to your post count. It seems to be the only thing that is really important to some of you anyway.
It will be very interesting to see how this plays out over the next few weeks.
As you were...
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im pretty sure the raiders have a long history of booing there players and prob doing worst to there players alla STab shoot rock throwing etc etc
ive never been to Oakland but im pretty sure the people there not all cus that would be sterotyping but the people there are moreee how should I say this Aggressve not as passive mellow or expect more then the fine people of Houstonia
Hell even the Kansas city chief fans have booed there injured PLayers
u really cant compare fanbases since raiders have a LONNNNGGGG HISTORY anyway unless u wanna add the Oilers into the mix or the love ya blue days and just look at that the word LOVE Houston fans love thre teams has long has they do good and even now even if they do bad we are like meh whats new LOL
I for one will forever love Andre and the good times and bad times hes had here hell who could forget the time he beat up Cortland on the field I will never forget that ... Im just kinda sadden he feels the way he feels but its ok he can go to another team to chase dat ring Cool bro but he will always be a Texan and when hes done he can come back sign a 1 day contract a retire a Texan I guess
TO BAD if he does go to another team we will send him to a SUCKY ONE MUHAHAHAHAHAH How does Miami sound LOL
I think it's early in the process & anything can happen. The most likely outcome though, is that Andre Johnson shows up to mandatory TC, the team rallies around him & we win the Super Bowl.
Nitrofish
Let The Big Fish Eat!
lol actually no their fans stab and shoot other fans, not the players. All kidding aside I lived just south of SF for a number of years while working in California, attended many games both in SF and in Oakland. They love their team in Oakland, even when they are losers. Let's not forget they are a very storied franchise who has won three Super Bowls, and they probably would have gone on to win another had that "Tuck Rule" game gone to them like it should have. Brady clearly fumbled when he was sacked by Charles Woodson, but the refs said no, and invoked the infamous Tuck Rule, and gave the ball back to the Pats. The rest is history.
I sure hope you're right TK. Would hate to see him go. It will certainly test O'Brien and his powers of persuasion. Gunna have to pull out the Jedi Mind trick and say "This is not the season you want to be traded"
Thorn
Dirty Old Man
I can understand sympathy for certain favorite players. But, they are highly paid professionals that are supposed to be doing a job. They have a built in time limit of which to use their skills, and they should be doing exactly that every day. If they don't, there is someone else willing to take their place.
I'm glad a hardass is taking over the team from Kubiak. It's about time.
As to AJ, like I said I love the man. Until he's wearing another uniform that is.
I'm glad a hardass is taking over the team from Kubiak. It's about time.
As to AJ, like I said I love the man. Until he's wearing another uniform that is.
I don't know about the "probable" part. The Raiders would have been underdogs the following week @ Pittsburgh for the AFC championship and even bigger underdogs vs the Rams in the Super Bowl. That was an epic run by the Pats, tuck rule considered.
Gotta Know
Practice Squad
1. Really, you don't think Watt would consider advice from someone who has "been there, done that"? That he would simply wait while, potentially, the same thing happens to him.
2. Agree completely. If this season goes bad, Watt will be gone ASAP and don't think a holdout is not in play.
3. I'll make sure JJ gets to see that his efforts are justly recognized by Texans fans. (too bad he sucked so bad last year)
consider... I don't think it will affect Jj's decisions in the future. The "same thing" can't happen to JJ. Andre went through nine NFL seasons before realizing what a winning season felt like. Jj was on a winning team as a rookie.
Andre went through 11 full seasons before he experienced a play off game. Jj, only one. More than half of Aj's career has been on a losing team. Two thirds of Jj's season has been on a winning team.
What's Andre going to say, "Don't trust these guys to put together a winning franchise."?
How's Jj going to assimilate that when all he knows is that this organization has put together a team that should win. & the reason they didn't win last season got ran out of town.
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