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All Encompasing Peyton Manning Thread

bo orlando said:
But it's true that history does consider the Rockets titles to be somewhat of footnotes. And if the Texans were to win a Manning-less division (especially with a 9-7, 10-6 type record) then lose in the first round of the playoffs, it would be somewhat tainted. Make it to the Super Bowl and nobody will care.
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What history are you looking at? I look up lists of NBA champions and I see Houston Rockets 2 years in a row in the mid 90's. No asterisk no nothing. Just that they were champions those years just like everyone else on that list. No asterisk for the Spurs in '99 in a shortened season. And as I said, there's no asterisk for the Steelers not having to play Brady in '08, and I could probably go on and on. Injuries are part of the game. All you can do is play the schedule you were given and win those games.

And BTW, the Texans wouldn't be winning a Manning-less division. The Texans do have a Manning of their own now.
 
prostock101 said:
I started the thread and I just assumed it was placed correctly seeing that the Collins signing was here also and the Colts were first up on the schedule.

As an admin on another forum (www.caimag.com) I try to keep things located in the right category, especially for search purposes, and keep the slap fighting to a minimum.
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So your anti Fun :gamer: and strictly business ???
 
THIS SUCKS. There will be 0 ok well not 0 but A LOT less satisfaction beating the colts without Manning. Remember how he was pouting on the sidelines last season as we were stomping their ass. I was looking forward to that again.


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Ndevine7 said:
I never said without Manning they are still better than us. Im just saying that even without Manning IMO there are at least 6 teams that are worse than the Colts. Dolphins, Bengals, Panthers, Broncos, Redskins, and Bills
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With the Colt's schedule, it's hard to say. They could easily be a 3-13 team.
 
prostock101 said:
Heck no, I'm probably the biggest cutup of the bunch. Not much roughhousing goes on and only banned two members in two years. It's a great group.
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You should visit the unofficial colts board. There are lots of internet tough guys there.
 
The Colts forum is good for a good laugh. I'd never post there though because they aren't interested in hearing anything negative about their Colts.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
For anyone interested, this is an animated video of the type of previous minimally-invasive Manning underwent that is simple and easy to understand.

VIDEO
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Thanks for the info, Cloak. I still have nerve issues (pins and needles) from the foot reconstructive surgery 2 years ago. Don't know if will ever clear up, but all things considered, I'm not complaining. :)
 
Marcus said:
Thanks for the info, Cloak. I still have nerve issues (pins and needles) from the foot reconstructive surgery 2 years ago. Don't know if will ever clear up, but all things considered, I'm not complaining.
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If that's all residual you have after your lis franc, that's good news. Even though 2 years is the typical cutoff stated for nerve regeneration, I've seen return continue for as long as 3 years.
 
EllisUnit said:
THIS SUCKS. There will be 0 ok well not 0 but A LOT less satisfaction beating the colts without Manning. Remember how he was pouting on the sidelines last season as we were stomping their ass. I was looking forward to that again.


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The satisfaction comes from the fact that after over a decade of good fortune , that franchise is getting a taste of the bad ....

I dont want to see Peyton injured .... but I want to see the Dolts and their fans suffer the same frustrations we have over the last decade.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Rule of thumb is when a nerve is compressed, the longer it is allowed to be in that state the greater the damage and longer its return to function. Furthermore, the more likely it is that it will never return to full function. Manning says that he was having problems for at least 4 years before addressing it surgically. If there is no continued physical pressure on the nerve (an I doubt that this is the case), it may take up to 2 years to tell how well the nerves have regenerated and how much muscle strength can be preserved. If there is continued pressure after his 2 surgeries, then not having another surgery (probably an open fusion) is not an option.........and then you must start the 2 year clock all over again to ascertain final result.

So the short answer is that this could be a career threatening injury. Only time will tell.
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Thank you, this wat the feeling I was getting too. Time will tell :)
 
Polian says Peyton will be back “at some point”

With the storm clouds gathering in Indianapolis and some fearing that quarterback Peyton Manning won’t play at all this year and may never play again, Colts vice chairman Bill Polian sees the glass as being 10-percent full.

“He is going to be back at some point,” Polian told WISH-TV on Monday, while conceding that Manning won’t play in Week One at Houston. “What we don’t know right now is what the results of the diagnostic tests are, what is the prognosis going forward. This is uncharted territory, but we do know that the nerve regeneration takes time and it just hasn’t healed yet. It will.”

But how do we know it will? No one knows it will.

The problem is that it’s nothing anyone can will to happen. The fact that Peyton practiced last week and isn’t practicing this week suggests that Peyton may have pushed too hard to try to get back for Week One.

“It’s frustrating for Peyton, certainly it’s a bit frustrating for us, but we recognized that the most important thing is that he heals up and he gets ready to go,” Polian said. “It’s no sense having him out there in an impaired condition, so the bottom line is he’ll be back at some point. We don’t know when. We can’t predict when. But whenever it is, it will be good to have him back. In the meantime, Kerry [Collins] will hold the fort, and we’ll go from here.”

How they’ll go remains to be seen. But few expect any of this to go well.
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Speedy said:
What history are you looking at? I look up lists of NBA champions and I see Houston Rockets 2 years in a row in the mid 90's. No asterisk no nothing. Just that they were champions those years just like everyone else on that list. No asterisk for the Spurs in '99 in a shortened season. And as I said, there's no asterisk for the Steelers not having to play Brady in '08, and I could probably go on and on. Injuries are part of the game. All you can do is play the schedule you were given and win those games.

And BTW, the Texans wouldn't be winning a Manning-less division. The Texans do have a Manning of their own now.
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Jordan was in the league for the 2nd Rockets championship, iirc.

I agree with your rant, too. I hate the asterisks comments. Are ALL the championships since Jordan's retirement noted with asterisks, too? Will ALL NBA champions be asterisked because Jordan no longer plays?

It's a goofy argument, at best, and downright stupid at worst. It's disingenuous and takes away something that means the world to this city. And besides, it's a specious debate because nobody knows if the Bulls could have stopped Olajuwan during those two seasons.

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As far as Manning, it's a damn shame. I really thought he's be like Favre, kicking and screaming until the game clearly showed that his better days were behind him. But, that's football, and it spares nobody, even the greats.

Scoreboard is all that matters, and we need a win. I do not diminish that win if it's against Manning or against Collins. Nobody has cried for us all these years, so why should I cry for any other team?
 
Double Barrel said:
Jordan was in the league for the 2nd Rockets championship, iirc.

I agree with your rant, too. I hate the asterisks comments. Are ALL the championships since Jordan's retirement noted with asterisks, too? Will ALL NBA champions be asterisked because Jordan no longer plays?

It's a goofy argument, at best, and downright stupid at worst. It's disingenuous and takes away something that means the world to this city. And besides, it's a specious debate because nobody knows if the Bulls could have stopped Olajuwan during those two seasons.

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As far as Manning, it's a damn shame. I really thought he's be like Favre, kicking and screaming until the game clearly showed that his better days were behind him. But, that's football, and it spares nobody, even the greats.

Scoreboard is all that matters, and we need a win. I do not diminish that win if it's against Manning or against Collins. Nobody has cried for us all these years, so why should I cry for any other team?
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100% this. ^^^^

Last I checked they were the Indianapolis Colts not the Indianapolis Peyton Mannings. Not getting "credit" for the win is in the same class of loser talk as "moral victories."

Do you think the Patriots or Steelers worry about whether or not their opponent is down a player?
 
Señor Stan;1768867 said:
100% this. ^^^^

Last I checked they were the Indianapolis Colts not the Indianapolis Peyton Mannings. Not getting "credit" for the win is in the same class of loser talk as "moral victories."

Do you think the Patriots or Steelers worry about whether or not their opponent is down a player?
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I do not mean this disrespectful, but I honestly think the Texans fanbase suffers from an inferiority complex.

Like you said, do the Steelers or Patriots fans asterisk their own teams if they beat someone that has key players on the PUP list? NO! Matter-of-fact, they exploit those weaknesses in order to dominate their opponents. And their fans feel absolutely no guilt about it.

I don't care about "measuring up". All I care about is wins, wins, and more wins, enough to win a division title and a ticket to the playoffs.

Nothing. Else. Matters.
 
infantrycak said:
Ya think?

Honestly, nothing displays it more than the pissing and moaning about the Cowboys.
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Puck the cowpies.

I think its perfectly acceptable to have a specific team that one dislikes more than the others. Why does it bother you and DB (and others) so much? Its just a harmless intra-state rivalry, isn't it?
 
NitroGSXR said:
Puck the cowpies.

I think its perfectly acceptable to have a specific team that one dislikes more than the others. Why does it bother you and DB (and others) so much? Its just a harmless intra-state rivalry, isn't it?
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First off, it doesn't bother me at all - just an observation. But, I think it displays exactly what DB is talking about. The great majority of Cowboys fans I know of supported the Oilers and now the Texans as long as they weren't playing the Cowboys. Texas teams over everyone unless it is between the Texas teams. Houston fans have the opposite attitude. They support the Texans and then any team playing against the Cowboys. It is a very stark difference and I see no explanation for it other than inferiority complex.
 
infantrycak said:
First off, it doesn't bother me at all - just an observation. But, I think it displays exactly what DB is talking about. The great majority of Cowboys fans I know of supported the Oilers and now the Texans as long as they weren't playing the Cowboys. Texas teams over everyone unless it is between the Texas teams. Houston fans have the opposite attitude. They support the Texans and then any team playing against the Cowboys. It is a very stark difference and I see no explanation for it other than inferiority complex.
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It started for me with the highly publicized Governor's cup. That was our Super Bowl back then. Pretty simple explaination. No inferiority complex here.
 
NitroGSXR said:
Puck the cowpies.

I think its perfectly acceptable to have a specific team that one dislikes more than the others. Why does it bother you and DB (and others) so much? Its just a harmless intra-state rivalry, isn't it?
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I'm not sure why you are lumping me in there...I've always hated the Cowboys. I was raised in Cowboy-hatin' household as an Oilers fan.

My initial point was regarding Texans fans wanting to "measure up" against Manning and not just being happy to win over any opponent regardless who is playing and not playing.

But, back to the Cowboys, I do understand that most Cowboys-hate from Houston fans is due to a variety of factors, including, but not limited to, jealousy (the Oilers always came up short) and/or obnoxious Cowboys fans who could not win without gloating about it.

And I'm okay with that, to be honest. Now it's a habit to dislike the Cowboys. I honestly tried to be a fan of theirs awhile back, but I felt dirty and had to scrub my brain at the mere thought.

These days I don't hate the Cowboys so much. My hatred for the Titans and Bud Adams eclipses any hate for the Cowboys, sort of like a supernova compared to a candle. I want the Titans to go 0-16 year after year and eventually move to Los Angeles. Yeah, that's hate, and it has nothing to do with jealousy or obnoxious Titans fans.
 
infantrycak said:
First off, it doesn't bother me at all - just an observation. But, I think it displays exactly what DB is talking about. The great majority of Cowboys fans I know of supported the Oilers and now the Texans as long as they weren't playing the Cowboys. Texas teams over everyone unless it is between the Texas teams. Houston fans have the opposite attitude. They support the Texans and then any team playing against the Cowboys. It is a very stark difference and I see no explanation for it other than inferiority complex.
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You really need to get out of the house more. I've dealt with asshat Sowboys fans for years, and find the vast majority of them to be pompous pr*cks that do nothing but gloat and revel in our misery, be it the old Oilers, or our new Texans. Of course, I suspect you don't keep company with the typical Sowboys fan... they wouldn't possess your intelligence :) Of course, this could be my insecurity complex talking :mariopalm:
 
infantrycak said:
First off, it doesn't bother me at all - just an observation. But, I think it displays exactly what DB is talking about. The great majority of Cowboys fans I know of supported the Oilers and now the Texans as long as they weren't playing the Cowboys. Texas teams over everyone unless it is between the Texas teams. Houston fans have the opposite attitude. They support the Texans and then any team playing against the Cowboys. It is a very stark difference and I see no explanation for it other than inferiority complex.
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If the world were like your post, it isn't, nor is it in terms of Cowboy fans I can tell you, but if it were, then you should ask yourself which side you think is the more logical from a sports perspective. Houston fans are like everybody else in the country.

Giants-Jets, Eagles-Steelers, Bear-Packers (state line notwithstanding), Niners-Raiders, Bucs-Dolphins (I assume), all of these have it right in my book, they hate each other. It has nothing to do with this BS state loyalty I keep hearing about, that's a crock. Nor does it have anything to do with jealousy (Cowboy fans) or potty training (those of you that think this is some sort of fault). It's actually completely natural.

Since I was old enough to be a sports fan, we'll call it 40 years, I have despised other teams in the state, only pulling for them in certain playoff scenarios or special circumstances such as some college football games and who they are playing. Virtually all of the people I have ever known feel the same way. Those that lie and say they don't show their true colors when it's 19-10 with no time left. That's where you see the lie.

I'm an ___A___ fan, therefore I especially dislike ___B____.

A. Astros....B. Rangers
A. Texans....B. Cowboys
A. Rockets....B. Spurs, Mavericks
A. Stars.....B. (don't care, it's just Dallas)

Inferiority complex, please. I can tell you that is not the case here. Talk about a tired argument. It's actually possible to simply dislike another team for a host of other reasons.
 
I don't live in Texas and never have, but I hated the Cowboys even before the Texans were an expansion team so that's where my hatred comes from, not necessarily something involving regions.
 
Double Barrel said:
I'm not sure why you are lumping me in there...I've always hated the Cowboys. I was raised in Cowboy-hatin' household as an Oilers fan.

My initial point was regarding Texans fans wanting to "measure up" against Manning and not just being happy to win over any opponent regardless who is playing and not playing.

But, back to the Cowboys, I do understand that most Cowboys-hate from Houston fans is due to a variety of factors, including, but not limited to, jealousy (the Oilers always came up short) and/or obnoxious Cowboys fans who could not win without gloating about it.

And I'm okay with that, to be honest. Now it's a habit to dislike the Cowboys. I honestly tried to be a fan of theirs awhile back, but I felt dirty and had to scrub my brain at the mere thought.

These days I don't hate the Cowboys so much. My hatred for the Titans and Bud Adams eclipses any hate for the Cowboys, sort of like a supernova compared to a candle. I want the Titans to go 0-16 year after year and eventually move to Los Angeles. Yeah, that's hate, and it has nothing to do with jealousy or obnoxious Titans fans.
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Sorry. I was rolling with the inferority complex statement itself. Merely a statement on my end that got muddled with intense "feelings" for the Cowburgers. You understand...

:)

Puck the cowdogs.
 
Showtime100 said:
If the world were like your post, it isn't, nor is it in terms of Cowboy fans I can tell you, but if it were, then you should ask yourself which side you think is the more logical from a sports perspective. Houston fans are like everybody else in the country.

Giants-Jets, Eagles-Steelers, Bear-Packers (state line notwithstanding), Niners-Raiders, Bucs-Dolphins (I assume), all of these have it right in my book, they hate each other. It has nothing to do with this BS state loyalty I keep hearing about, that's a crock. Nor does it have anything to do with jealousy (Cowboy fans) or potty training (those of you that think this is some sort of fault). It's actually completely natural.

Since I was old enough to be a sports fan, we'll call it 40 years, I have despised other teams in the state, only pulling for them in certain playoff scenarios or special circumstances such as some college football games and who they are playing. Virtually all of the people I have ever known feel the same way. Those that lie and say they don't show their true colors when it's 19-10 with no time left. That's where you see the lie.

I'm an ___A___ fan, therefore I especially dislike ___B____.

A. Astros....B. Rangers
A. Texans....B. Cowboys
A. Rockets....B. Spurs, Mavericks
A. Stars.....B. (don't care, it's just Dallas)

Inferiority complex, please. I can tell you that is not the case here. Talk about a tired argument. It's actually possible to simply dislike another team for a host of other reasons.
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I root against the Dallas teams because where I'm from--first 18 years in Lubbock, the next 17 in Amarillo--both these cities play non-stop Dallas Cowboys this and Dallas Mavericks that and Texas Rangers to top it all off.

It's a Bermuda Triangle of Douche up here with the way we have Boys-Rangers-Mavs on the radio on the TV non-stop 24/7.

The way it's handled up here in the Texas Panhandle, we're led to believe (via heavily-tilted "Dallas teams" coverage) that the Cowboys-Mavericks-Rangers are the ONLY Texas teams in the great state of Texas for us to follow every year. I don't know why there's this huge stiffy for Dallas teams up here, but it irked me as a young'un watching my dad root for all three Dallas pro teams...so I picked the Oilers because I didn't like the pre-conceived and very contrived "set up" that I've just GOT to be a Cowboys/Mavericks/Rangers fan. I never openly mocked my dad or anything, just went my own way and chose my own teams to follow--Since I liked the Oilers, I went with Astros and Rockets to complete the trifecta.

All those years growing up, and now as a 35-yr-old man, I've become grumpy toward those teams. Not hating, just grumpy. Outside of the Landry-era Cowboys SB wins, a few Jimmy Johnson-era SB wins (thanks to the massive Vikings trade, btw) and spotty recent Rangers and Mavs victories...I don't see why those teams are pushed so hard in my area. Just irks me.

If the Rangers are in the playoffs, I root for them. If the Mavs are in the playoffs, I root for them. I have a hard time rooting for the Cowboys in the playoffs, to be honest, but I think that's because I feel like they've won their fair share of SBs and can suck for awhile. LOL.

But when those Dallas teams are JAT (Just Another Team) throughout the year...I could care less about them. Not an all-out hatred of them, just an indifference to them.

That's my take on it. My only guilty pleasure, I admit, is that I absolutely LOVE to watch the COwboys get drubbed by their NFC divisional rivals. There's nothing like watching the Redskins pound the Cowboys. It's quite therapeutic.
 
Still can't take this game lightly. Remember, Texans are famous for making backup QBs look like pro bowlers.

On the flip side, I'm starting the Texans defense in my fantasy league. Haha. If Collins starts, I predict at least 4 sacks.
 
I wonder how many sacks Freeney and Mathis have against the Texans, relative to how many sacks any other duo has against their favorite whipping boys.
 
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