All Encompasing Peyton Manning Thread

[BigTimeTexanFan]

I just can't see Manning playing this weekend. If he is seeing multiple doctors about slow progress, then obviously he is not close to 110% and still recovering. I can't see how that organization would put him out there with a clear conscious.

 

[DX-TEX]

I'm giving them all the props in the world. They, on the other hand, started out talking **** but have calmed down. It was just funny seeing how defensive they are. Wild animals caught in a trap and all.

Saw that. Seriously, over there and at ESPN.com Colts fans are in some serious damn denial. Most of them are still convinced Manning will start week 1. I would be upset if Schaub was going to be out but we have worked with a "solid" backup. But colts fans are taking this to an unhealthy level. lol

I have no pity on them though. The Colts front office put all their eggs into one basket for years and now it is going to bite them in the buttocks. They should have addressed the backup QB position years ago but they didnt. Heck, they could have addressed it a month ago with a quality back up and they didnt. They deserve what they get.

 

[b0ng]

If the colts tank hard enough to draft Andrew Luck I'm going to hurt myself.

 

[ObsiWan]

Some people should have their twitter licenses revoked. Jim Irsay, for instance. If I'm Peyton Manning, I'm wringing Irsay's neck.

...but I'll bet he'll wait until after Irsay signs that big paycheck.

 

[Pantherstang84]

Saw that. Seriously, over there and at ESPN.com Colts fans are in some serious damn denial. Most of them are still convinced Manning will start week 1. I would be upset if Schaub was going to be out but we have worked with a "solid" backup. But colts fans are taking this to an unhealthy level. lol

I have no pity on them though. The Colts front office put all their eggs into one basket for years and now it is going to bite them in the buttocks. They should have addressed the backup QB position years ago but they didnt. Heck, they could have addressed it a month ago with a quality back up and they didnt. They deserve what they get.

Maybe I'm in denial. I'll believe Manning will be on the bench when I see it.

 

[gtexan02]

Manning listed as doubtful. Arm strength is big problem
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/6932377/peyton-manning-indianapolis-colts-practice-likely-doutbful

 

[prostock101]

Way too much negative chatter. I'll be stunned if he makes the first game. He's had pretty much zero practice and just done light throwing. And with just that he's going to lineup and play 4 quarters against a hometeam with a new defense that's going to have their ears pinned back?

Don't think so........:mariopalm:

 

[Rey]

How so? The entire premise of the offense runs through Manning. Their defense is horrible and they've done liitle to improve it.

They still have Mathis and freeney.

Kerry Collins has beat us before while throwing to lesser weapons.

I know manning makes everyone on the offense better, but Wayne, addai, Clark, garçon, and some of their back up receivers don't suck.

 

[jaayteetx]

Great, we'll have to play Luck twice a year for next 10-12 years. Figures

Have you forgot about the Bungles?

 

[Speedy]

So does this mean that if Manning is out all year and the Texans win the AFC South in 2011, people will say the same thing about the them they said about the Rockets when then won the NBA title while MJ wasn't with the Bulls ?

Who freaking cares what people say? It doesn't change the fact the Rockets are 2 time NBA champions. People are idiots. I couldn't give 2 shits what they say if the Texans win the division and Manning doesn't play.

Nobody talks about the Steelers needing an asterisk the year Brady went down, because Brady is 4-1 against the Steelers. F people who say that crap. Injuries are part of the game.

 

[hradhak]

My guess is Peyton had some sort of decompressive procedure for nerve entrapment (maybe a laminectomy). The procedure itself isn't such a big deal but the recovery from it can be difficult since the muscle atrophies. The real question is how much he has been able to strengthen it after the procedure. I doubt he's going to be playing Sunday if he hasn't been practicing much. He probably can't make many of the throws he used to make until he builds up strength.

My guess is he'll be back at some point, but not for a few weeks

 

[Showtime100]

Who freaking cares what people say? It doesn't change the fact the Rockets are 2 time NBA champions. People are idiots. I couldn't give 2 shits what they say if the Texans win the division and Manning doesn't play.

Nobody talks about the Steelers needing an asterisk the year Brady went down, because Brady is 4-1 against the Steelers. F people who say that crap. Injuries are part of the game.

Good post. You took the words right out of my mouth.

 

[Playoffs]

AdamSchefter Adam Schefter
Colts announced Peyton Manning's back bothering him, he has been consulting with doctors, he and he will cease practicing.
52 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply

 

[Playoffs]

McClain_on_NFL John McClain
With Titans, Collins was 3-2 against Texans, including averaging 28.6 points a game. Titans won 31-17 with Collins last season.


McClain_on_NFL John McClain
Kerry Collins is 3-3 as a starter against Texans. He's 0-7 as a starter against Wade Phillips when he's the DC and 1-8 overall.

 

[ChampionTexan]

They still have Mathis and freeney.

Kerry Collins has beat us before while throwing to lesser weapons.

I know manning makes everyone on the offense better, but Wayne, addai, Clark, garçon, and some of their back up receivers don't suck.

The flipside of this is that Collins has had about two weeks to develop any sort of chemistry with those weapons, and learn what is likely the most complex offense he's played in.

As to Mathis and Freeney, their effectiveness is enhanced by having a high powered offense that is very capable of quickly putting the other team in a hole, thereby allowing them to pin their ears back and go hard after the QB. The absence of Manning could very well diminish, if not neutralize, the best part of their defense.

 

[thunderkyss]

No, that's "WOW! just WOW!"

Hope he's fine but that's the one guy in the NFL who literally cannot be replaced. If he's really going to miss the season then they're going to be in the drivers seat for Andrew Luck come draft time. Figures.

Truth is, we really don't know.

Now, their coaches are going to have to coach & their leaders are going to have to lead. We'll see what the Colts are made of.

Kerry Collins isn't anybody to fear, but he can get the job done. Saturday & that OL.... that's a veteran group. We'll see if veteran means washed up, or leaders.

Wayne is good. Manning makes him look better, but Wayne is good.
Collie???? Garcon?? we'll find out. Clark?? Good, but how good.

Wk1, we'll see if that defense has got any better against the run. If they improved there, like they should have... that may change everything.

 

[thunderkyss]

How so? The entire premise of the offense runs through Manning. Their defense is horrible and they've done liitle to improve it.

Collins' biggest problem, is that he isn't very smart. If the coaches can manage to think for him & get the plays in that he is comfortable with, the sky is the limit with the talent they have on offense.

As far as defense goes, ours was worse than theirs in 2010, but that is not holding back our expectations.


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[Doppelganger]

Have you forgot about the Bungles?

They just drafted Andy Dalton.

I think Luck goes to Buffalo.

 

[Playoffs]

Text of the Colts statement:

During the last week, the rate of improvement in Peyton’s rehabilitation process slowed. Over the weekend Peyton experienced soreness in his back. It was originally thought to be a normal reaction to his rehabilitation regimen. When the soreness persisted, the Colts medical team decided to initiate diagnostic tests and to consult with a number of specialists around the country who have been involved in Peyton’s case from the outset. That process continues. As a result of the most recent development the doctors have decided that Peyton will not practice. His participation therefore, in Sunday’s game versus Houston will likely be doubtful. We will update his playing status as required by NFL policy as the week goes on.

At the conclusion of the diagnostic process, if there are any new developments in the prognosis which we outlined for Peyton at the start of training camp we will report them. As of now Peyton continues to deal with a complicated neurological recovery, the end date of which is unpredictable.

As was stated at the outset, it serves no useful purpose to speculate about hypothetical outcomes. When and if there are concrete medical facts to report we will do so.

We appreciate your consideration in this matter.

 

[Trap_Star]

 

[toronto]

The bottom line is that the "one sure thing" in the AFC South isn't sure anymore, and the end result is that the division has never been more up for grabs for you guys. If you can't win it this year, beats me what it will take.

 

[DocBar]

Collins' biggest problem, is that he isn't very smart. If the coaches can manage to think for him & get the plays in that he is comfortable with, the sky is the limit with the talent they have on offense.

As far as defense goes, ours was worse than theirs in 2010, but that is not holding back our expectations.


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Collins beat us with a team that had a much better defense than Indy and a much, much better running game.
The Colts offense isn't built to be run oriented, even though they added a FB. It's pass first and it all goes through the Forehead. I don't see how Collins could grasp enough of the offense to be effective in week 1. Week 5, maybe.
Defensively, they were better than us in the passing. Who wasn't? Our run defense was better than theirs. I'd call that a wash, especially considering the Forhead isn't playing. Besides, I think we did much more to upgrade our teams weaknesses than the Colts did.

 

[Ndevine7]

How so? The entire premise of the offense runs through Manning. Their defense is horrible and they've done liitle to improve it.

I never said without Manning they are still better than us. Im just saying that even without Manning IMO there are at least 6 teams that are worse than the Colts. Dolphins, Bengals, Panthers, Broncos, Redskins, and Bills

 

[CloakNNNdagger]

Manning listed as doubtful. Arm strength is big problem
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/6932377/peyton-manning-indianapolis-colts-practice-likely-doutbful

Manning's triceps strength has plateaued and he doesn't have the arm strength right now, sources told ESPN senior NFL analyst Chris Mortensen. Manning also had some back soreness that worsened during the weekend.

Manning and the team are awaiting further evaluations from doctors and neurosurgeons regarding his condition. They will follow NFL protocol and will update his condition later in the week.

The Colts currently have no plans to attempt another surgery on Manning's neck, a source told ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter.

"As of now Peyton continues to deal with a complicated neurological recovery, the end date of which is unpredictable," the team said in the statement.

Some old posts of mine which were greeted with an element of skepticism, but seem to be playing out quite accurately.:



5/25/11:

Only about 4% of cervical spine injuries in the NFL are suffered by QBs. When a QB expects to be sacked, he usually takes a fetal like position, with his head tucked in. Any trauma, accidental or not, to the top of his head by a defensive player is enough to create a herniation of a cervical disc. Once it occurs once, it becomes more vulnerable to lesser trauma. If one level is treated, it can put more stress on the adjacent disc. It can act as a domino effect. If Manning had his 2nd non-invasive procedure on the same segment, he can probably expect to go on to an open cervical fusion procedure (ala Slaton) sometime in the future........especially if he sustains further trauma to the area.

1 week ago:

From what has come out of the Colts and Manning himself, Manning evidently has been trying to avoid surgery since 4 years ago when he first started having problems with his neck. He again waited until near the end of May to have his 2nd surgery after trying to rehab his neck himself. He could have opted to have this last surgery right after the 2010 season had ended. The longer you wait to decompress a cervical nerve which is under pressure, the greater the extent of the damage. When taken care of quickly, many times there is instant relief of the preoperatively noted problems. At one point in time though, the damage from chronic pressure can be such that the return of function is extremely slow (up to 2 years) and, unfortunately, sometimes ultimately incomplete. The other thing that needs to be kept in mind is that the "minimally-invasive" surgeries still may not have entirely eliminated the pressure on the nerve, and that he will soon require the more major "open" fusion surgery to do so. Again, if this is the case, the longer he waits, the less predictable the return of function, despite adequate decompression of the nerve. Likewise, if he continues to traumatize the nerve through the decision to return to play, the situation certainly cannot become any lesser.

You can rehab a muscle with concentrated effort. But there is very little that can be done to hasten the rehab of a nerve. And, after all, it is the nerve that gives the muscle the signal to function. Poor nerve function will therefore, always result in poor muscle function.

1 week ago:

It has been reported that Manning had a compression of the C7 nerve root level. This nerve root controls the movement and the strength of the finger flexors, and the wrist flexors and the elbow extender. How do you throw a football if your hand can’t grip, your wrist can’t flex and your elbow can’t extend efficiently. You can compensate and throw a football with a bum biceps ala Favre. But you aren’t ever going to look much better than a Pop Warner QB, with a bum triceps.

The recent back issues that Manning has been reported to have developed was predictable. When you have a significant triceps weakness, extending your elbow with any semblance of force is not possible. In order to compensate, a QB will automatically twist his body (back) toward the direction of the weak arm in order to gain additional forward momentum on the ball. Doing so continually places a great deal of undue stress on the back, resulting not only in a player with a weak arm....but now one also with a bad back.

 

[bo orlando]

Who freaking cares what people say? It doesn't change the fact the Rockets are 2 time NBA champions. People are idiots. I couldn't give 2 shits what they say if the Texans win the division and Manning doesn't play.

Nobody talks about the Steelers needing an asterisk the year Brady went down, because Brady is 4-1 against the Steelers. F people who say that crap. Injuries are part of the game.

But it's true that history does consider the Rockets titles to be somewhat of footnotes. And if the Texans were to win a Manning-less division (especially with a 9-7, 10-6 type record) then lose in the first round of the playoffs, it would be somewhat tainted. Make it to the Super Bowl and nobody will care.

 

[DocBar]

Some old posts of mine which were greeted with an element of skepticism, but seem to be playing out quite accurately.:



5/25/11:


1 week ago:


1 week ago:


The recent back issues that Manning has been reported to have developed was predictable. When you have a significant triceps weakness, extending your elbow with any semblance of force is not possible. In order to compensate, a QB will automatically twist his body (back) toward the direction of the weak arm in order to gain additional forward momentum on the ball. Doing so continually places a great deal of undue stress on the back, resulting not only in a player with a weak arm....but now one also with a bad back.

I bet you get tired of being right so often.

 

[dalemurphy]

But it's true that history does consider the Rockets titles to be somewhat of footnotes. And if the Texans were to win a Manning-less division (especially with a 9-7, 10-6 type record) then lose in the first round of the playoffs, it would be somewhat tainted. Make it to the Super Bowl and nobody will care.

Here is my reasoned, even-handed answer to this issue:

Does a Peyton Manning injury mitigate the Texans success? HELL NO!

 

[thunderkyss]

The bottom line is that the "one sure thing" in the AFC South isn't sure anymore, and the end result is that the division has never been more up for grabs for you guys. If you can't win it this year, beats me what it will take.

"you guys" ?

Get on or step off..... you're one of us as far as I'm concerned, regardless what your current living situation might be.

We are taking the South..... you included you canuck !#$!@

 

[gafftop]

Seems as though you are already giving the Texans a W against the Colts. If the Texans don't come out ready to play they could easily lose. This team has shown they can do this. This team in the past has gotten the BIg head when they were favorites. How can a team that has never done ANYTHING get the big head. You tell me. I don't really care who plays QB for the Colts the Texans better come with everything they have and be ready to play.

 

[Malloy]

The recent back issues that Manning has been reported to have developed was predictable. When you have a significant triceps weakness, extending your elbow with any semblance of force is not possible. In order to compensate, a QB will automatically twist his body (back) toward the direction of the weak arm in order to gain additional forward momentum on the ball. Doing so continually places a great deal of undue stress on the back, resulting not only in a player with a weak arm....but now one also with a bad back.

Curious, are we talking possible end-of-career damage here, or something that would heal over time if left alone?

As much as I love the thought of a Manning-less Colts team, I don't want him to end his career like this.

 

[2slik4u]

Yeah, it seems as if Irsay has really gone off the deep end; either that or he is jerking everyone’s chain.

Yeah that and the fact that he tweets like a 13 year old little girl. Jeez, grow a pair and show your age bro.....(talking about Irsay of course)

 

[CloakNNNdagger]

Curious, are we talking possible end-of-career damage here, or something that would heal over time if left alone?

As much as I love the thought of a Manning-less Colts team, I don't want him to end his career like this.

Rule of thumb is when a nerve is compressed, the longer it is allowed to be in that state the greater the damage and longer its return to function. Furthermore, the more likely it is that it will never return to full function. Manning says that he was having problems for at least 4 years before addressing it surgically. If there is no continued physical pressure on the nerve (an I doubt that this is the case), it may take up to 2 years to tell how well the nerves have regenerated and how much muscle strength can be preserved. If there is continued pressure after his 2 surgeries, then not having another surgery (probably an open fusion) is not an option.........and then you must start the 2 year clock all over again to ascertain final result.

So the short answer is that this could be a career threatening injury. Only time will tell.

 

[Rey]

"you guys" ?

Get on or step off..... you're one of us as far as I'm concerned, regardless what your current living situation might be.

We are taking the South..... you included you canuck !#$!@

He's a Titan fan.

 

[DX-TEX]

http://www.18to88.com/2011-archives/september/manning-likely-headed-for-surgery.html

orts have been flying all around the internet about Peyton Manning's status.

According to multiple 18to88.com sources, the situation is indeed as bad as has been reported.

I have learned the following things:

1. Jim Irsay's tweets were indeed meant to inform fans as to the status of Manning.

2. Manning has no structural damage in his shoulder or arm, but his nerves have been slow to respond. He lacks feeling in his triceps in particular.

3. The pace of Manning's recovery has shocked the Colts. The original reports of a 6-8 week recovery were not lies or evasions. The Colts honestly opened camp expecting Manning to be ready to play, but for reasons no one can fully understand, the nerves have not responded normally. This is a massive surprise. There hasn't been a set back, just a lack of progress. The Colts have not been misleading fans as to Manning's condition; they are as surprised as everyone else is.

4. Another surgery is a likely outcome at this point. I believe (but have not been informed) that when the Colts say that 'no surgery has been planned' they are playing word games. My understanding is that this is headed for surgery, though it hasn't been scheduled definitively.

5. Because this is a neck/nerve issue, there is at least a chance this could be career ending injury. That's obviously a dire result, and no one is necessarily expecting that outcome, but this is every bit as bad as it could be. This is serious.

18to88.com has contacted the Colts for a comment on this story. They are aware of the reports but can neither confirm nor deny the story.

The sources involved in this story are personally known to the 18to88.com staff. They have chosen to speak off the record. Not every detail relayed was confirmed by multiple sources, though no detail was disputed either. All sources confirmed the essential integrity of story that Manning's condition is in fact 'bad'. 18to88.com has followed our editorial standards in the reporting of this story. This information was compiled via a team effort with other members of the 18to88.com staff.

Looks career ending to me.

 

[Texanmike02]

Do not do this to me. Please. I don't want to beat a Manningless Indy. I want to take Manning down. This is like rooting for the cross town rival's QB to go down before the game. I don't want that. I lik Manning. I mean I hate him on the field but I like him off the field.

How is it possible that the Colts signed him to a deal this off season without knowing this could be a problem? Didn't they sign him?

Mike

 

[bo orlando]

Here is my reasoned, even-handed answer to this issue:

Does a Peyton Manning injury mitigate the Texans success? HELL NO!

the seahawks winning the nfc west last year was so tainted that the team decided to pretty much blow up the roster in the offseason.

i'm with you, i'll take a division title anyway i can get it, but a 9-7 or even 10-6 division title when the colts (and maybe the jags and titans too) are terrible would have a lot less shine than if we went 13-3 and beat manning twice. either way, a playoff run would make all this moot.

 

[jaayteetx]

He's a Titan fan.

poor guy, where are his friends? friends don't let friends strive to be in a blue funk.

 

[CloakNNNdagger]

I bet you get tired of being right so often.

Thank you for your kind implication. Experience makes it a little easier.

Way back when, I think this was the hooker for me. His surgery was around 5/23/11.


3 weeks post surgery 6/12/11:

From today's Indianapolis Star:

Quarterback Peyton Manning hasn't thrown since undergoing surgery to repair a disk-related issue in his neck May23, but he was at Morton's, where he was excused from carrying a tray, and at the softball game, where he didn't take a spot in the lineup.

Curtis Painter, his backup, is healthy and throwing, and on Thursday, was golfing.

Not carrying a restaurant tray?......or participating in a softball game? Following the procedure he underwent, these activities, especially the 1st, would normally be "on the menu" within a few days following the surgery.
Being extra careful? Not a reasonable explanation.

6 weeks post surgery 7/08/11:

Excuse me if I seem to have remained so skeptical about situation and progression of events. But his lack of having his "personal therapist" is not why his rehab schedule is so slow. It is because the significance of his injury(ies) have been minimized.

Peyton Manning has “no idea” when he’ll be ready to go

Colts quarterback Peyton Manning is at the annual Manning Passing Academy, but he’s not doing any passing. Manning said he’s not ready to throw, has “no idea” when he will be, and is concerned about his recovery from May neck surgery. And Manning blames the lockout for his inability to work with the physical therapist he most trusts.

“The lockout didn’t allow me to work my [Colts] therapist, Erin Barill, and I’m just not comfortable taking any chances with this thing,” Manning told ESPN’s Chris Mortensen. “Erin knows me. He’s rehabbed me through two other surgeries [neck and knee] and I think most people understand that once you build up a trust with your therapist, that’s the guy you want and need to work with.”

So as long as the lockout is going on, Manning won’t be able to say whether he’s healthy enough to play. We have a feeling that when the lockout ends and Manning is negotiating a new contract with the Colts, he’ll be saying he expects to be at full strength for years to come.

 

[Norg]

Wouldnt that be something if Indy managed to beat Us wk1 without Manning


that would be a hell of a way to start off the season : P

 

[Norg]

Seems as though you are already giving the Texans a W against the Colts. If the Texans don't come out ready to play they could easily lose. This team has shown they can do this. This team in the past has gotten the BIg head when they were favorites. How can a team that has never done ANYTHING get the big head. You tell me. I don't really care who plays QB for the Colts the Texans better come with everything they have and be ready to play.

True for thoes going to the game wear your white be in yo seat early and GET LOUD !!!!!!!!!!!!

wish it was like this in terms of crowd LOL but ya know LOL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-r1TprtXguU

 

[thunderkyss]

He's a Titan fan.

Really? He's been here forever.


I think he's a closet fan, waiting for us to win........ then he'll switch.


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[fiasco west]

http://www.18to88.com/2011-archives/september/manning-likely-headed-for-surgery.html



Looks career ending to me.

Pretty much. I did want the Texans to beat Manning with him there, smack him around and have the torch passed to the new division kings the right way.

I'll take this though. I really can't see Manning being the same after this injury, Kinda reminds me of the Yao injury where there was a TON of uncertainty surrounding it.

The Texans need to win week one now, if they don't it will be a massive failure with the teams ahead of them. I would say they need to win the division but I like to take things week by week, and Colts week 1 game the Texans should come out and dominate.

 

[Joe Texan]

I cannot believe the mods are so blind they cannot see this belongs in the NFL forum. I could care less what Peyton Manning does live or die. This isa Texan Forum so come on Mods keep it that way

 

[DocBar]

I cannot believe the mods are so blind they cannot see this belongs in the NFL forum. I could care less what Peyton Manning does live or die. This isa Texan Forum so come on Mods keep it that way

Since we're playing them this week, they might let it stay. They very well could combine it with the one that exists in the NFL forum.

 

[Lucky]

Since we're playing them this week, they might let it stay.

That's basically it. It's impossible to discuss the next game without mentioning Manning's status. Otherwise JoeTexan would be correct. Special circumstances.

 

[Trap_Star]

let the superbowl expectations begin!

 

[Texas T]

let the superbowl expectations begin!

That was....interesting....not sure if I'm buying all that but...What the Hell I'll gulp down the Kool-Aid.

Texans to the Superbowl!! You heard it here folks!!

 

[prostock101]

That's basically it. It's impossible to discuss the next game without mentioning Manning's status. Otherwise JoeTexan would be correct. Special circumstances.

I started the thread and I just assumed it was placed correctly seeing that the Collins signing was here also and the Colts were first up on the schedule.

As an admin on another forum (www.caimag.com) I try to keep things located in the right category, especially for search purposes, and keep the slap fighting to a minimum.

 

[forcefollow]

I am not the type of person that cheers when someone from an opposing team gets hurt. Over the years I have paid attention to Peyton Manning simply because he is the best QB in the league. After reading several stories about his situation I am becoming more convinced that his career is near its end. Other players with similar injuries usually haven't lasted long. Even if he does play this season he is one blind side hit away from retirement.

This would mark a huge shift in the division and would create and an opening for the Texans.

 

[The Pencil Neck]

We've already got a thread or two about this and none of them should be in the Texans area. This is an NFL topic.

Not that I disagree with your point.