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All Encompasing Peyton Manning Thread

Speedy said:
Nobody thought it of course, but Cassel turned out to be a decent QB. Who would have thought the Pats would do what they did when Brady took over for Bledsoe?

That said, Kerry Collins is a guy who went back and forth with Vince Young. That doesn't say much for you. He won games at Tennessee with a great defense and great run game. Collins for his 16 year career, has throw almost as many INTs as TDs 195/206. Unlike the Pats example, you didn't know what to expect from Cassel, since he had never played. After 16 years, you pretty much know what you're getting from Collins.

I don't know if the Colts will be a cellar dweller or not, but they aren't going to be anywhere near what they were with 18. And that's about all they've ever been the last decade or so is 18.

18 makes them go with precision passes, precision timing, recognizing every look you could ever throw at him and all that jazz. He is the true field general. Kerry Collins isn't going to give you that. 18's career completion percentage is higher than Kerry Collins single season best completion percentage.

Yeah, you still have to play the games, but the Colts aren't going very far without 18.
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Imagine the huge drop-off in the psyche of the whole Colts team, too, when they realize Manning isn't coming back to save them. I mean, a miracle is possible, obviously, but if the rumors are true and he's had another surgery that puts him COMPLETELY out of 2011?????? Holy cow! It could be over.

The Colts players are saying all the right things, in their response to journalists who ask them how they feel about not having 18 leading the team in Week 1. But you get the sense that they're not completely tuning into "The Big Picture" of what this means. They DON'T know any other way, other than the way of knowing that Zombie Manning takes care of everything in their path.

As much as people want to brag about Manning's streak of starting every game since Sept. 6, 1998......it has become their present day downfall. Almost 13 years of having QB1 sewn up and buttoned down. Hell, it's not just sewn up and buttoned down--It's been their ticket to divisional crowns and playoff runs every year!

They know no other way. None. I don't think the true picture of this is being grasped. Yeah, I know, "They still play the games every week...." but you still have to figure that for 13 years the Colts have been blessed with a Robot at QB1. Turn on the switch, enter the data sequence, and let the Robot do its work. But, the Robot is not on the production floor now. And the company has not planned for the day when they had to get a newer, better Robot to take Robot 18's place. Bad, bad move. BAD.
 
GP said:
Imagine the huge drop-off in the psyche of the whole Colts team, too, when they realize Manning isn't coming back to save them. I mean, a miracle is possible, obviously, but if the rumors are true and he's had another surgery that puts him COMPLETELY out of 2011?????? Holy cow! It could be over.

The Colts players are saying all the right things, in their response to journalists who ask them how they feel about not having 18 leading the team in Week 1. But you get the sense that they're not completely tuning into "The Big Picture" of what this means. They DON'T know any other way, other than the way of knowing that Zombie Manning takes care of everything in their path.

As much as people want to brag about Manning's streak of starting every game since Sept. 6, 1998......it has become their present day downfall. Almost 13 years of having QB1 sewn up and buttoned down. Hell, it's not just sewn up and buttoned down--It's been their ticket to divisional crowns and playoff runs every year!

They know no other way. None. I don't think the true picture of this is being grasped. Yeah, I know, "They still play the games every week...." but you still have to figure that for 13 years the Colts have been blessed with a Robot at QB1. Turn on the switch, enter the data sequence, and let the Robot do its work. But, the Robot is not on the production floor now. And the company has not planned for the day when they had to get a newer, better Robot to take Robot 18's place. Bad, bad move. BAD.
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Unless the whole super-secret evil plan is to tank the '11 season to get Luck in '12. :kitten:
 
Jay_Glazer Jay Glazer
The answer RT @JimIrsay: Peyton didn't have a medical procedure last sunday,we'll have more info 2 add clarity 2 situation soon
 
Section516 said:
Jay_Glazer Jay Glazer
The answer RT @JimIrsay: Peyton didn't have a medical procedure last sunday,we'll have more info 2 add clarity 2 situation soon
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News on Manning is not encouraging. RT @JimIrsay: #18's out for awhile,but compete,we will/BELIEVE
 
Section516 said:
News on Manning is not encouraging. RT @JimIrsay: #18's out for awhile,but compete,we will/BELIEVE
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Wow.

That doesn's sound encouraging.

I went from thinking this was going to keep him out of the first game, to possibly a few weeks....

Now I'm thinking we might not see him play again, and if he does not for too much longer...
 
Dude is 35 yo, so just the nature of an aging body makes it extremely difficult to recover and still capitalize on the little gas left in the tank.

We may have seen the last of Manning.
 
I think Manning will come back, not that he has anything to accomplish. But i could see 2 more years out of him excluding this season most likely.

I just find it amazing the Colts gave him the 5 year deal without really knowing the situation.
 
Ryan said:
I think Manning will come back, not that he has anything to accomplish. But i could see 2 more years out of him excluding this season most likely.

I just find it amazing the Colts gave him the 5 year deal without really knowing the situation.
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I agree, but I'm betting they knew as much as they could know at the time of the signing. Maybe because of their history with Manning they assumed lady luck would smile yet again. Meh, I got nothing. It was stupid on their part, IMO

I wonder when Drayton McLane bought the Colts. :D
 
Ryan said:
I think Manning will come back, not that he has anything to accomplish. But i could see 2 more years out of him excluding this season most likely.

I just find it amazing the Colts gave him the 5 year deal without really knowing the situation.
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I don't know if I can blame the Colts. Manning admits that he lies / cheats on the concussion pre-test, so he's shown that he's willing to lie to the organization in order to stay on the field regardless of being at risk for a potentially serious injury.

Why would this neck injury be any different when he had so much money at stake and probably thought he could hide it enough to compete?

Arrogance, greed, and competitiveness can often have a way of clouding judgment.
 
@Jay_Glazer Jay Glazer
While I'm hearing Manning hasn't had surgery yet, I wouldn't be surprised if he has it before the weekend!
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mortreport Chris Mortensen
Official: Sources say Manning had surgery this am - cervical fusion with 2-3 month minimum recovery.No word on whether he will be put on IR.
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Done.
 
Cervical fusion? Dude. Does not sound healthy for post-surgery playing career.

Looking forward to Doc's always insightful diagnosis.
 
Section516 said:
Cervical fusion? Dude. Does not sound healthy for post-surgery playing career.

Looking forward to Doc's always insightful diagnosis.
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I think it's the same thing Slaton had done in his neck.

Props to Manning for getting everything right before playing football. Hope it turns out ok
 
DX-TEX said:
Done.
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Agree.

Dude is done. Going to miss an entire year, AND he'll be a year older next "season" if he has one at all.

He'd run through hell wearing gasoline-soaked underwear...but every man, even the great ones (and he is one of them), have a limit. I think age, accomplishments (2 divisional crowns and 1 Super Bowl), and status of his neck will end up making him decide to take up a permanent TV career.

He's a natural on camera, he'll make good money. He'll make DAMN good money. Oh, and QB camps in the summer. Cha-ching.
 
Official release from the Colts

COLTS STATEMENT ON PEYTON MANNING


By Indianapolis Colts

Posted 7 minutes ago


As previously stated on Monday, Sept. 5th, Peyton Manning has undergone further testing and consultation with several specialists regarding his rehabilitation.


As previously stated on Monday, Sept. 5th, Peyton Manning has undergone further testing and consultation with several specialists regarding his rehabilitation. The results of these tests and the consensus of the consultations was that further surgery was warranted. Peyton has undergone this surgery today by having a single level anterior fusion. The surgery was un-eventful.



This procedure is performed regularly throughout the country on persons from all walks of life, including professional football players. Two former Colts players had this same procedure last winter and have fully resumed their careers. Rehabilitation from such surgery is typically an involved process. Therefore, there will be no estimation of a return date at this time. We will keep Peyton on the active roster until we have a clearer picture of his recovery process.



Peyton will immediately begin the rehabilitation regimen mapped out by the surgeon. We anticipate no further updates or availabilities beyond those required by the NFL Media Policy for the immediate future.



Thank you for your consideration.

IMO he's done for the season.
 
I know they say guys who have had this surgery return and play.

Not denying it.

I'm still going to say that the guy will have not played football in TWO years when the next time arrives for him to try and play (which would be Summer of 2012). And, he'll be 36.

Pair this with what I understand to be a bit of a family-oriented problem (his brother had to quit competitive, contact-based sports before college due to congenital narrowing of spinal cavity) and then add to this the beckoning call of a life of luxury as a TV guy and a QB Camp instructor....

Cha-ching. Dollars and Sense will win out. He won't announce it until sometime after Super Bowl, saying he "needs time to think about what's best for him, his family, and the Colts who have been so good to him all these years."

Once the Super Bowl is over (with the Texans being crowned as new champs), and as the 2012 draft draws near, he'll have to make a decision in probably February or early March.

He won't desire to go out like a chump, getting his jersey stained and his reputation soiled. He doesn't want to hear boo'ing from the fans because he's lost the touch but the Colts keep trying to let him go out there and bring back the magic.

This guy is THE most analytical guy in the NFL, IMO. He will run the numbers through his robotic brain, and it will spit out the test results: Retire and enjoy life.
 
Now I see why the league tried to protect him all these years, he's as brittle as McGrady.

I do feel kind of bad though, I didn't draft Peyton for any of my fantasy teams, but I did get him in the 5th for my girlfriend's team. Gonna drop him for Kolb.
 
I would think Peyton and his posse would have access to the finest surgeons in the world and they have to cut on him three times to get it right?

If any of us failed like that we'd be fired on the spot.......
 
BIG TORO said:
I think he is out for the season!
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disaacks3 said:
Back by late December if the Colts are lucky.
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I think by the time he's okayed to play the Colts will have written off the season. His new contract will further persuade them to give him the rest of the season off.

I like the guy as much as a Texan fan can which is why I won't miss him and a bit relieved he won't get REALLY hurt trying to come back too soon.
 
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Section516 said:
Cervical fusion? Dude. Does not sound healthy for post-surgery playing career.

Looking forward to Doc's always insightful diagnosis.
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What we know:

*We know his 1st two minimally invasive surgeries were posterior cervical discectomies (as the video I posted)

*We know that he delayed his 1st surgery of March 2010 for 4 years

*We know that he delayed his 2nd (May 23 2011) surgery having had symptoms at least since the very beginning of the year (with some conjecture that he was suffering symptoms since the beginning or middle of the 2010 regular season).

*We know that he was expected to be playing football by 6-8 weeks (like after his 1st surgery) and now its been almost 4 months with continued significant problems.

*We know that he has now undergone a formal ONE LEVEL anterior cervical fusion with graft.


Some general conclusions that could be drawn:

*He had this 3rd type of surgery NOT SOLELY because a properly decompressed nerve was not regenerating quickly enough, but because there was continued compression on that nerve despite his previous surgeries.

*There have been studies that have shown that the prognosis of successful nerve regeneration is significantly negatively impacted by waiting for >6 months of experiencing compressive symptoms.

*Realistically safe return to football is likely to take closer to 6 months (if then) of recovery and rehab rather than a 2 - 3 month period reported. (We will likely see the fans, team and media restart all the chaotic speculation of return in 2 months.)

*Since there was this long continued period of symptoms up to this recent surgery, we still don’t know how much and how long his nerve and muscle function will take to return. Although this was a one level fusion which normally carries a very good return to play record, the complicating factors that I have tried to chronicle do not necessarily guarantee that he will return as the Peyton Manning we know, or at all. In other words, a successful decompressive operation may not necessarily translate into a successful functional outcome.....and we haven’t even taken into consideration that there is likely some degeneration already brewing at one or more adjacent disc spaces.............not to mention the more terrible thought of the possibility of surgical complications (not anything that I want to get into, since the present circumstances seem to already be complicated enough.)
 
CloakNNNdagger said:

What we know:

*We know his 1st two minimally invasive surgeries were posterior cervical discectomies (as the video I posted)

*We know that he delayed his 1st surgery of March 2010 for 4 years

*We know that he delayed his 2nd (May 23 2011) surgery having had symptoms at least since the very beginning of the year (with some conjecture that he was suffering symptoms since the beginning or middle of the 2010 regular season).

*We know that he was expected to be playing football by 6-8 weeks (like after his 1st surgery) and now its been almost 4 months with continued significant problems.

*We know that he has now undergone a formal ONE LEVEL anterior cervical fusion with graft.


Some general conclusions that could be drawn:

*He had this 3rd type of surgery NOT SOLELY because a properly decompressed nerve was not regenerating quickly enough, but because there was continued compression on that nerve despite his previous surgeries.

*There have been studies that have shown that the prognosis of successful nerve regeneration is significantly negatively impacted by waiting for >6 months of experiencing compressive symptoms.

*Realistically safe return to football is likely to take closer to 6 months (if then) of recovery and rehab rather than a 2 - 3 month period reported. (We will likely see the fans, team and media restart all the chaotic speculation of return in 2 months.)

*Since there was this long continued period of symptoms up to this recent surgery, we still don’t know how much and how long his nerve and muscle function will take to return. Although this was a one level fusion which normally carries a very good return to play record, the complicating factors that I have tried to chronicle do not necessarily guarantee that he will return as the Peyton Manning we know, or at all. In other words, a successful decompressive operation may not necessarily translate into a successful functional outcome.....and we haven’t even taken into consideration that there is likely some degeneration already brewing at one or more adjacent disc spaces.............not to mention the more terrible thought of the possibility of surgical complications (not anything that I want to get into, since the present circumstances seem to already be complicated enough.)
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Thanks Doc, Cant rep you

You have been ahead of the curve on the Manning situation. Thanks for explaining this to me in laymans terms. After watching the video the surgery seems to be an injury that isn't hard to fix. But nobody knows how Mannings neck is going to respond.

From what I've read Manning appears to be done for the yr and he'll be fortunate to ever play again. Although I wouldn't bet against the latter.

What do you think are the odds of him playing this yr? The odds of him being done?
 
steelbtexan said:
Thanks Doc, Cant rep you

You have been ahead of the curve on the Manning situation. Thanks for explaining this to me in laymans terms. After watching the video the surgery seems to be an injury that isn't hard to fix. But nobody knows how Mannings neck is going to respond.

From what I've read Manning appears to be done for the yr and he'll be fortunate to ever play again. Although I wouldn't bet against the latter.

What do you think are the odds of him playing this yr? The odds of him being done?
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The video I previously posted was of his May 23rd surgery.

This is a VIDEO of the procedure he just underwent. (There is some variation in how the procedure can be performed, but this demonstrates, if not exactly his procedure, the principle of the procedure.)

As to your last question, as I said before, a potentially poor outcome would not necessarily be an indictment of his recent surgery, but would be as much dependent on how much nerve damage he has incurred to date. With the way the economy is, I would suggest that you slowly walk far away from any bets for his extended return to the NFL, and would walk away even faster from a "functional" return this season.
 
TheMatrix31 said:
If you're posting about #1, then you can't possibly like the Patriots. They are the definition of winning games they shouldn't win. Especially early on in their run.

Patriots fans are infinitely worse than Colts fans. No way to quantify it, but just my experience.

Brady and the Pats are just as protected, perhaps even moreso. All star QBs are protected. It's a QB driven league.
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Actually the team that won games they didn't deserve was the Broncos during the Elway era, the Colts then became the 2000's version of that team. Some teams may get lucky once in a while (remember the Texans 47 yard game against Pittsburgh?), but the Colts get lucky all the time. The Rosencopter game wasn't the only one they didn't deserve to win against the Texans.

Can't say I agree with your comment about Patriots fans. I"ve met a lot of them up here (went to school with some as well) & I've never had any issues. I just find Colts fans to be arrogant, although they're not as bad as Buffalo fans. That said, I'd respect them if they were still the Baltimore Colts.

As for Brady getting more protection than Manning; Brady was the one who got hit, not Manning. IMO, Schaub gets a bad rap regarding toughness, but he gets hit, Favre got hit by the Saints, too. A Saints fan I work with said he was worried they'd get flagged if they hit Manning. Point is, there are rules for Manning & rules for everybody else.
 
CND is awesome.

Repping him if I can. The insight, the comparison/contrast to what the media is reporting. He should be charging a CND Insiders Only fee on here.

UPDATE:

Costas during halftime of Packers-Saints game. He's talking about Manning, speculating about "If the Manning situation worsens," Costas is saying (it's a speech he's written, not a running commentary) that Manning should have achieved more than ONE Super Bowl...and the window might be closing.

It was as close to a COLTS obituary as I've ever seen. Geez, Bob. Slow up on the depressing analysis.

At this point, I hope Manning protects his health. Too good of a player, too good of a person, to risk a bad permanent injury by coming back. I want to remember him as the ass kicking QB who stymied us for almost a decade. Not a guy who can't function normally in real life.

I can't believe I'm actually...CARING...about the guy. :yuck:
 
GP said:
CND is awesome.

Repping him if I can. The insight, the comparison/contrast to what the media is reporting. He should be charging a CND Insiders Only fee on here.
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I hit CND for you and for all of us. The info that gets put out to us is just not available elsewhere or with other teams.
 
I truly hate to see this happen to him, or anyone, for that matter. PM was born with a fb in his hand, and he will go down in NFL history as one of the best EVER to play the game. I feel sad for him, and for Colts fans. Yes, they are our competition, and for us it's good news, but, we're talking about one of the most prolific, exciting players in the league, and one that is always FUN to watch. Just sad, to me anyway.
 
Here's something interesting:


SportsCenter
Source: #Colts can get out of Peyton Manning's contract after 1 year & $26M without any other money guaranteed.
 
Ryan said:
Here's something interesting:


SportsCenter
Source: #Colts can get out of Peyton Manning's contract after 1 year & $26M without any other money guaranteed.
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They might be smart to do that...now that they've done the stupid thing in the first place by signing him to a huge contract with known health issues.
 
Ryan said:
Here's something interesting:


SportsCenter
Source: #Colts can get out of Peyton Manning's contract after 1 year & $26M without any other money guaranteed.
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That poor bastid. What's he gonna do? He and his wife just had twins. He's prolly only got 250-350 million left in his checking account and they expect him AND his family to make on another 26 million f'kn dollars? His sponsors will probably drop him like a hot rock in 6-8 years and the pence that they throw at him will wither away. Furthermore, I'm sure we all know how hard it is to make ends meet on that silly 'talking heads' media pay. That's unconscionable. These greedy corporate pricks anyway.

What's a mother to do? :kitten:
 
GP said:
CND is awesome.

Repping him if I can. The insight, the comparison/contrast to what the media is reporting. He should be charging a CND Insiders Only fee on here.

UPDATE:

Costas during halftime of Packers-Saints game. He's talking about Manning, speculating about "If the Manning situation worsens," Costas is saying (it's a speech he's written, not a running commentary) that Manning should have achieved more than ONE Super Bowl...and the window might be closing.

It was as close to a COLTS obituary as I've ever seen. Geez, Bob. Slow up on the depressing analysis.

At this point, I hope Manning protects his health. Too good of a player, too good of a person, to risk a bad permanent injury by coming back. I want to remember him as the ass kicking QB who stymied us for almost a decade. Not a guy who can't function normally in real life.

I can't believe I'm actually...CARING...about the guy. :yuck:
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Agreed, We're lucky to have somebody like CND on the MB.

I hate how Manning made the Texans their Bi***** for almost a decade. But we as a generation are lucky to have gotten to watch a true legend like Manning up close and personal for as long as we did. Good luck Peyton and God Speed.

Lets kick some Colts A** on Sunday.
 
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