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2023 TEXANS DRAFT DISCUSSION

Texansballer74 said:
The GM said they want basically three first round draft picks. 23-25.
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well of course he did. He might get LVR's 7 and a round 1 in 2024 but Raiders will want to hold on to 2.38. Panthers seem to be whom everyone is talking about now Geno signed and IMO David Tepper will a ravenous wolf. But why go after Bears when Colts seem to be gaining steam for Stroud where I have him going for long time? Makes more since for Tepper to get Young or even Levis at 1.2. I've had Panthers locked in on Levis and still could see him going there at 2 if Young's shoulder becomes issue I think it will.
Tepper may give up three ones but after Browns fiasco with DW, I don't see it.

As we get closer to 27th, I think Carolina drooling over 1.2.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
As much as some remain unconcerned regarding Young's build, no one is really talking about a most important stat. What shouldn't be ignored in light of his obvious lack of bulk, was that he has been sacked 53 times in the past two seasons. Every sack in the NFL is a significant risk for injury. In college, he had a great Oline, so why wouldn't that bring up to some extent the subject of "pocket awareness"?
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Sacked 53 times and he barely missed a game I believe. He seems to do well to avoid the big hits
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
As much as some remain unconcerned regarding Young's build, no one is really talking about a most important stat. What shouldn't be ignored in light of his obvious lack of bulk, was that he has been sacked 53 times in the past two seasons. Every sack in the NFL is a significant risk for injury. In college, he had a great Oline, so why wouldn't that bring up to some extent the subject of "pocket awareness"?
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53 sacks in two years?

Texans OL says, “Hold my beer.”
 
badboy said:
well of course he did. He might get LVR's 7 and a round 1 in 2024 but Raiders will want to hold on to 2.38. Panthers seem to be whom everyone is talking about now Geno signed and IMO David Tepper will a ravenous wolf. But why go after Bears when Colts seem to be gaining steam for Stroud where I have him going for long time? Makes more since for Tepper to get Young or even Levis at 1.2. I've had Panthers locked in on Levis and still could see him going there at 2 if Young's shoulder becomes issue I think it will.
Tepper may give up three ones but after Browns fiasco with DW, I don't see it.

As we get closer to 27th, I think Carolina drooling over 1.2.
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Nobody is taking Will Levis over Anthony Richardson. That would be dumb. If you're going to take a high upside guys that has holes in the tape, you take the stud with upside to the moon. That's Richardson. If you want polish, that's Young or Stroud.
 
The draft needs to hurry up & get here. All these media mocks speculating that Chicago is going to be able to trade down multiple times for a king's ransom is driving me crazy. And no matter who's picked first, they always have the Texans taking Young at 1.2. Are they not seeing the same small frame that some of us are? I find it frustrating & very funny how so many here, that complained all year long about us taking Stingley because of his lisfranc injury, are the very ones saying we have to take a QB that has an unusually small frame & has multiple shoulder injuries, as pointed out by CnD. Does anyone truly believe that the opposing NFL defenses won't bring their entire weight down on Young when they tackle him? Maybe I need to quit following these mocks & just wait until free agency & the draft. I could accomplish so much more if I do that. lol
 
ben.aires.smith said:
Nobody is taking Will Levis over Anthony Richardson. That would be dumb. If you're going to take a high upside guys that has holes in the tape, you take the stud with upside to the moon. That's Richardson. If you want polish, that's Young or Stroud.
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Agreed. I don't see the appeal of Levis.
 
To me the thing that isn't being talk about near enough is Young's throwing shoulder injury. I'm pretty sure that is why he didn't throw at the combine and why he is waiting for the second event at Alabama to work out. He is trying to protect how bad his shoulder is by giving it more time to heal. He knows that with his slender build, that if it became a real topic for discussion, his draft stock would tumble big time the fact that he is injured almost guarantees that we will draft him.!!! Doc has played this out in a couple of his posts.
 
He missed one game. How many did Sting miss, then get back to me with the math. All due respect to Doc, he’s been incessantly negative from jump on Bryce. The bias is obvious. Forgive me if I wait for additional confirmation before throwing the baby out with the bath water.

As of today I have Bryce 1, and CJ closing the gap but still 2. I will be thrilled with either and trust Demeco until proven otherwise.
 
Porky said:
He missed one game. How many did Sting miss, then get back to me with the math. All due respect to Doc, he’s been incessantly negative from jump on Bryce. The bias is obvious. Forgive me if I wait for additional confirmation before throwing the baby out with the bath water.

As of today I have Bryce 1, and CJ closing the gap but still 2. I will be thrilled with either and trust Demeco until proven otherwise.
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Levis and Richardson noth missed more games than the dude they outweigh by 40 lbs. Go figure
 
Hottoddie said:
The draft needs to hurry up & get here. All these media mocks speculating that Chicago is going to be able to trade down multiple times for a king's ransom is driving me crazy. And no matter who's picked first, they always have the Texans taking Young at 1.2. Are they not seeing the same small frame that some of us are? I find it frustrating & very funny how so many here, that complained all year long about us taking Stingley because of his lisfranc injury, are the very ones saying we have to take a QB that has an unusually small frame & has multiple shoulder injuries, as pointed out by CnD. Does anyone truly believe that the opposing NFL defenses won't bring their entire weight down on Young when they tackle him? Maybe I need to quit following these mocks & just wait until free agency & the draft. I could accomplish so much more if I do that. lol
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Pointing out the obviously logical is of no help in here. Please stop before you give someone brain failure trying to figure it out.
 
edo783 said:
To me the thing that isn't being talk about near enough is Young's throwing shoulder injury. I'm pretty sure that is why he didn't throw at the combine and why he is waiting for the second event at Alabama to work out. He is trying to protect how bad his shoulder is by giving it more time to heal. He knows that with his slender build, that if it became a real topic for discussion, his draft stock would tumble big time the fact that he is injured almost guarantees that we will draft him.!!! Doc has played this out in a couple of his posts.
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Young threw for 321 yds, 5 TDs and 0 INTs in the Sugar Bowl. I'm reasonably certain he could have thrown at the Combine. Unless he says something in an interview, we'll never know his reason for not doing so. But there was no point in him doing so. He's not the #1 qb because of his arm talent, but because of his elite intangibles.

Every team in a position to select a qb at the top of the draft knows everything there is to know about his injury and future prognosis. They know more about his injury and rehabilitation than will be released to the public and we will ever know.

It's all just a convenient topic for discussion.
 
ben.aires.smith said:
Nobody is taking Will Levis over Anthony Richardson. That would be dumb. If you're going to take a high upside guys that has holes in the tape, you take the stud with upside to the moon. That's Richardson. If you want polish, that's Young or Stroud.
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He’s this year’s Bortles or Trubisky. Someone would.
 
Decim8 said:
Sacked 53 times and he barely missed a game I believe. He seems to do well to avoid the big hits
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Again, the number of missed games does not reflect the conclusion.

CloakNNNdagger said:
You can get shot up for grade I A/C and rotator cuff injuries. After a shoulder subluxation, injections with physical therapy can return a player to play very quickly. But future subluxation and dislocation are not uncommon. Lastly, players often play through labral tears, but doing so can lead to very significant problems...........Andrew Luck ignored and played through a "minor" labral tear for 2 years.........eventually leading to a "shredded" labrum which resisted surgical intervention.

Any shoulder problems in the throwing shoulder of a quarterback is not a joke. And when you're dealing with what Young has already experienced in an ultra-short college career, the concern is not only for a 7 or 12 month period, it is a setup to rear its ugly head any time in the future.
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A costly sack............by video, A/C separation, subluxation, rotator cuff, likely labral injury.
VIDEO: Bryce Young Injured his Shoulder
YouTube·izallgood37 _·Oct 1, 2022
 
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Porky said:
He missed one game. How many did Sting miss, then get back to me with the math. All due respect to Doc, he’s been incessantly negative from jump on Bryce. The bias is obvious. Forgive me if I wait for additional confirmation before throwing the baby out with the bath water.

As of today I have Bryce 1, and CJ closing the gap but still 2. I will be thrilled with either and trust Demeco until proven otherwise.
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There is plenty of bias working for Young by fan boys waiting in line to sniff his jock strap.

Objectively is a good thing. I don’t know why people take it so personal.
 
Porky said:
He missed one game. How many did Sting miss, then get back to me with the math. All due respect to Doc, he’s been incessantly negative from jump on Bryce. The bias is obvious. Forgive me if I wait for additional confirmation before throwing the baby out with the bath water.

As of today I have Bryce 1, and CJ closing the gap but still 2. I will be thrilled with either and trust Demeco until proven otherwise.
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Perhaps there is a sound reason Doc is out on Young - like an AC subluxation?
I trust doctors more than my own emotions.
 
Texian said:
If there is that much interest in trading up for #1, there should be almost that much interest in trading up for #2.
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Catch is most want to trade up for a QB. With basically only 4 players that any teams are interested in Stroud, Levis, Young and Richardson. A trade into the 1st pick makes sure that the QB they want is there. Most seem to feel that Indy is in the best position to do it. However, on 610 I have been hearing that the Cards, Raiders( both less draft capital) and the Panthers are in play too. Meaning that probably 2 or so other teams are looking into going up to 1.1.

I have also heard someone may go after Lamar Jackson via using draft picks and a good chunk of money. As well as rumor of a team signing Jimmy G and either waiting for next season or taking a QB in the middle of the 1st or early 2nd rounds. Houston was mentioned as possible for Jimmy G. Huge issue I see is if we signed him he tends to get hurt at some point. Meaning if we took for example Richardson with the intention of having him sit all season and learn. He might be thrust into the starting spot by say game 6. Now, that's one issue, the other is that it is possible that we hold on to Mills and he plays over a rookie IF Jimmy G gets hurt. Last problem is that Jimmy G would 👍 win 6-8 games. Meaning if we do sign him, we would pick mid 1st and if we have not taken a QB...we would be a long shot to get the best next year within using a big part of our higher picks. Be it a 1st next year or the year after, a 2nd and either a player, another 1st or another 2nd. Not an ideal way to build a team if you are taking picks away to trade up.

Also saw the Bears mentioned getting 2 1st round picks and a 2nd or 3rd with possible player/players to move from 1.1.
 
I still think Stroud is the QB that will fit the best in the Texans’ offense. Short to interview accurate throws. Legs when you need it. Don’t need to bomb it like Richardson.

But I would draft his replacement in year 3 or 4.

And that really should be applied to most QBs going forward unless you have a young HOF QB like Mahomes.

QB contracts are crazy and Stroud’s agent is going to look to maximize his earnings. Rightfully so - but I would want a QB more like the character of Brady who would take less to have a better team around him.
 
It is not known with certainty if Young has a Labrum tear, but it is likely and if not repaired surgically, could, or will, lead to future complications. I believe Luck was given as an example.

Seems to me, the most logical thing to do, for the team rolling the dice on Young, would be to have the tear surgically repaired as soon after the draft as practical. That is, if he has a tear. This will leave about 3 months until training camp.

Like many have suggested, even without an injury, sitting your rookie qb for half a season is a popular suggestion. So sitting Young for a spell would be a good idea.

Only CnnnD would possibly have access to news, but I'm wondering if Young has already gone under the knife? Frankly, it would have been the smart thing to have been done and may be the reason for postponing his tryout as long as possible.
 
 
zshawn10 said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1633470878116909056

https://twitter.com/x/status/1633473946694692865
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Yep... Levis is the odd one out here. He will be the consolation prize for Carolina, Oakland or possibly the Titans if those teams decide not to trade up. 1-2-3 a distinct possibility as Arizona probably trades down a few spots for picks.

In my view, Indianapolis a prime spot for Richardson given that Shane Steichen is the new head coach. He saw first hand how Jalen Hurts blossomed from a raw-ish prospect into a MVP-like dual threat. He knows how to run a power-QB offense that was often unstoppable this year. Richardson fits that M.O. to a 'T'. Texans might have to deal with that for 2/year for the next 10 years, assuming he doesn't bust.
 
ben.aires.smith said:
Yep... Levis is the odd one out here. He will be the consolation prize for Carolina, Oakland or possibly the Titans if those teams decide not to trade up. 1-2-3 a distinct possibility as Arizona probably trades down a few spots for picks.

In my view, Indianapolis a prime spot for Richardson given that Shane Steichen is the new head coach. He saw first hand how Jalen Hurts blossomed from a raw-ish prospect into a MVP-like dual threat. He knows how to run a power-QB offense that was often unstoppable this year. Richardson fits that M.O. to a 'T'. Texans might have to deal with that for 2/year for the next 10 years, assuming he doesn't bust.
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Man, Indy doesn't have a lot of pieces on offense besides Taylor and Pittman and their O line is not what it used to be either; that would be bad for Richardson
 
zshawn10 said:
Man, Indy doesn't have a lot of pieces on offense besides Taylor and Pittman and their O line is not what it used to be either; that would be bad for Richardson
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Lack of offensive weapons and a bad OL is bad for anybody - including Stroud who historically has not performed well under pressure in college.
 
ben.aires.smith said:
Lack of offensive weapons and a bad OL is bad for anybody - including Stroud who historically has not performed well under pressure in college.
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Lol historically. Man stop dressing it up as such. What have you done for me lately. Stroud performed pretty darn well under duress when playing Georgia.
You’ll try to pick anything to knock certain players. You do know the GOAT has always struggled against top defenses too right?
 
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As of right now I'd probably grab Richardson and let him sit while signing and playing a mid-priced vet such as Minshew, Case, Cooper etc...
I don't trust CJ's agent, don't see Young ending well, and I think when the folks see and hear Richardson their going to get excited.
 
Texansballer74 said:
Lol historically. Man stop dressing it up as such. What have you done me lately. Stroud performed pretty darn well under duress when playing Georgia.
You’ll try to pick anything to knock certain players. You do know the GOAT has always struggled against top defenses too right?
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Look, I've already posted the facts on Stroud a couple of times. So, I don't need to repeat it but I will one more time: Stroud was 133th in FCS (pre-GA game I believe) is passing efficiency under pressure in 2022, and something like 8th when not under pressure. That's not a small gap - that's a massive gulf. The variance was, in fact, the largest in FCS last year according to PFF. Similar dynamic in 2021.

The undisputable fact is, backed by game data, is that Stroud has sucked in pressure situations in terms of passing efficency in college. The flip side is, he's been strong when operating from a clean pocket, which was the vast majority of time in college. The variance does scare me quite a bit, although I 100% acknowledge the arm talent and ability to layer/hit windows.

His Vick/Watson comments also scare my a tad, along with his agent. Hanging out with Watson in the off-season. I just get bad vibes here.

To each his own though. I just presented fact/data to support my position.
 
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Double Barrel said:
I got flashbacks of floating out route passes turning into pick 6's watching that video.

I blame Matt Schaub for that.



LZ said teams can request a weigh in at pro days, but players have a right to refuse.

And like CloakNNNdagger just mentioned, "Why" would be an interesting question because it would seem perplexing and intentionally hiding something.
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Something isn't right and for now we can only assume what is going on. But, I would be very careful about taking him after whatever is making him not throw. And I would love to know what is on his medical record from the combine
 
ben.aires.smith said:
Look, I've already posted the facts on Stroud a couple of times. So, I don't need to repeat it but I will one more time: Stroud was 133th in FCS (pre-GA game I believe) is passing efficiency under pressure in 2022, and something like 8th when not under pressure. That's not a small gap - that's a massive gulf. The variance was, in fact, the largest in FCS last year according to PFF. Similar dynamic in 2021.

The undisputable fact is, backed by game data, is that Stroud has sucked in pressure situations in terms of passing efficency in college. The flip side is, he's been strong when operating from a clean pocket, which was the vast majority of time in college. The variance does scare me quite a bit, although I 100% acknowledge the arm talent and ability to layer/hit windows.

His Vick/Watson comments also scare my a tad, along with his agent. Hanging out with Watson in the off-season. I just get bad vibes here.

To each his own though. I just presented fact/data to support my position.
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He didn't seem to have any problems in his last game few games. Looked at the film and he is lighting up a very good team. Carrying his team
 
TexansBull said:
It had nothing to do with his wife making more money. Brady got a divorce and lost more money from wanting to win and his love of the game.
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Brady was married for 13 years to a woman worth over $400 million. Do you just argue for the sake of arguing?
 
TexansBull said:
QB contracts are crazy and Stroud’s agent is going to look to maximize his earnings. Rightfully so - but I would want a QB more like the character of Brady who would take less to have a better team around him.
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I don’t think any qb besides Brady has ever taken less
 
SnakeEyes said:
He didn't seem to have any problems in his last game few games. Looked at the film and he is lighting up a very good team. Carrying his team
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Maybe the case. Those are the facts from the totality of the season and not broken down by segment.

Richardson threw 7 INTs against 5 TDs in his first six games this season also, but went 12 TDs against 2 INT his last six.

Improvement happens, like Stroud against Georgia.
 
Texansphan said:
Perhaps there is a sound reason Doc is out on Young - like an AC subluxation?
I trust doctors more than my own emotions.
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Except he was out on Young before he even mentioned the shoulder. While I have a ton of respect for Doc and his input is extremely valuable, it's clear to me that he isn't unbiased with Young.

As far as I know, he hasn't examined Young, isn't privy to any medical testing or diagnostic info, hasn't talked to Young's Dr's, has no info as to his current condition, etc. It's all speculative. He MAY have major issues with it going forward...and he may not.

But there's no way in hell the Texans are taking a QB at 1.2 with severe medicals. If they take him, it's because they are comfy that it's not going to be a major issue in his career. Flat out.

If they pass on him, let the speculation begin. In that case, sure it could have played a role. All I'm saying is let's slow down the roll here. Doc has him in a wheelchair already. Let's wait and see once the Texans Dr's get a hold of him and once the usual pre-draft leakage happens. If he's a huge injury risk, I'm perfectly fine with passing on him. I just don't think it's been determined yet.
 
ben.aires.smith said:
Those are the facts from the totality of the season and not broken down by segment.
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The "facts" you are quoting are numbers from a website without the underlying data. Those are not facts, they are opinions from unknown analysts looking at unknown variables. Where are the raw numbers? Do they include Stroud getting rid of the ball and avoiding sacks? No one knows.

If you are going to base your entire opinion of Stroud from a rating from a website, without raw data, what exactly is that opinion worth?
 
Lucky said:
The "facts" you are quoting are numbers from a website without the underlying data. Those are not facts, they are opinions from unknown analysts looking at unknown variables. Where are the raw numbers? Do they include Stroud getting rid of the ball and avoiding sacks? No one knows.

If you are going to base your entire opinion of Stroud from a rating from a website, without raw data, what exactly is that opinion worth?
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Use the internet/youtube Sir. It's a good tool. Yes, those were the numbers.
 
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