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2023 TEXANS DRAFT DISCUSSION
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banned1976
sleeper mode
LZ doesn't think much of the talent of this draft class.
I will say Young deciding not to throw at the combine + deciding to cancel working out on Alabama's 1st pro day is suspect in light of CnDs testimony.
I'm not passing judgment, playing well 7 months post injury tells a different story.
But we'll see soon enough. & then it will be too late.
Texans fan. This is the way.
Houston Methodist is salivating at the thought.Including the Texans?
No. . They'll be running up to the podium
Could that have been his high point, ala Al Bundy in high school?
Certainly.
And not unlike every single other prospect that's ever laced up a pair of cleats..
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
True.
leebigeztx
Keep it Movin!
You have the lotto numbers for tonight?
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
How original.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
OUTKICK
DUAL-THREAT QBS SUCH AS JALEN HURTS ARE GREAT WEAPONS BUT INJURY RISK IS HUGE
by
ARMANDO SALGUERODecember 20, 2022, 8:10 amupdated December 20, 2022, 9:41 am
Philadelphia Eagles quarterback Jalen Hurts is very likely going to miss the Christmas Eve game against the Dallas Cowboys because he has a sprained right shoulder. And while that isn’t the worst thing in the world because the Eagles have built such a sizeable lead in the NFC East, it does reverberate in other meaningful ways.
The Hurts injury, you see, makes a statement about the dangers dual-threat quarterbacks face in playing outside the pocket the way they routinely do.
So, barring a recovery, Hurts will become the fifth dual threat starting quarterback to miss at least one game because of injury this season. Said another way, five of the NFL’s top seven rushing quarterbacks have already missed or will miss games if Hurts misses Saturday’s start.
It’s like these dual-threat QBs are injury magnets.
Leads List Of Injured Dual-Threat QBs
And that doesn’t mean only dual-threat quarterbacks get injured. But of the NFL’s 10 leading touchdown passers, only two are dual-threat players — Buffalo’s Josh Allen and Hurts.
And if Hurts indeed does not play Saturday, he will be only the second of that largely pocket-passing group to miss a start.
(Miami’s Tua Tagovailoa is the other).
Hurts this season has helped his team build the NFL’s best record at 13-1 by throwing 22 TD passes with only 5 interceptions while also scoring 13 rushing touchdowns. So Hurts has accounted for 4,219 total yards and 35 touchdowns.
The problem with those numbers is Hurts, as a dual-threat quarterback, often finds himself exposed to a full range of hits from infinite angles while enjoying none of the protection quarterbacks get in the pass pocket.
That’s how Hurts got, well, hurt. He was running right and Chicago Bears defensive end Trevis Gipson slammed him to the ground on his right shoulder.
Because Hurts was out of the pocket, Gipson didn’t have to limit the weight with which he landed on Hurts.
That’s how it is for dual-threat QBs. They are a threat to do great damage to defenses.
But defenses are a threat to do great damage to them.
Justin Fields, Lamar Jackson Also Miss Games
Consider that in the same game Hurts was injured, Bears dual-threat QB Justin Fields also left with a leg injury.
(Fields returned but everyone in Chicago was holding their breath until he jogged back to the sideline.)
Fields, by the way, missed a game with a shoulder sprain earlier this year.
Lamar Jackson, perhaps the game’s standard for dual-threat quarterbacks, has missed two games with a sprained PCL in his left knee.
The Ravens are 1-1 in the games Jackson has missed.
“I think I’m going to climb behind the barricade of it’s probably not the time to put a lot of information out there on our injuries, just for competitive purposes,” Ravens coach John Harbaugh said Monday. “So, we’re just going to let that develop and see where we go with it and not try to walk the tight rope of what we say.”
Harbaugh said on Dec. 6th that Jackson was “week to week.”
Despite Harbaugh’s barricade, the club is hopeful Jackson can be back for Saturday’s game against the Falcons.
Jackson injured his knee throwing from the pocket. He was sacked for a 6-yard loss by Broncos linebacker Jonathan Cooper,
Kyler Murray Out For The Season
But here’s the problem with dual-threat quarterbacks, however they get hurt: It happens a lot.
Jackson missed five games last season because of injury. Fields suffered cracked ribs last year and missed five of the Bears’ final seven games. Hurts had a high ankle sprain last year and missed a start.
Pocket passers, meanwhile, can play with some leg injuries as long as they can move in the pocket’s limited space. Dual-threat quarterbacks need their legs healthy to be able to get outside the pocket.
The Falcons had a dual-threat quarterback this season. Marcus Mariota started 12 games until he went on injured reserve last week and was scheduled for knee surgery.
And, full disclosure, Mariota was getting benched whether he was injured or not. But the point remains he is another dual-threat guy who will not be around for the remainder of the season.
Neither will Arizona’s Kyler Murray.
Murray is the seventh leading rusher among quarterbacks because he missed two games with a hamstring injury.
Murray played one full game after recovering from his injury. Then, after only one pass attempt, suffered an ACL injury scrambling out of the pocket against New England on Dec. 12.
Murray also missed three games with an ankle injury last season.
Murray, by the way, went down without any contact. That makes the point that just running around can be a problem sometimes as opposed to sticking in the pocket.
A Warning To Guys Such As Josh Allen
What does all this mean?
It makes calls for caution to players such as Buffalo’s Allen something more than empty echoes.
Allen led his team with 77 rushing yards and also converted a rush for a 2-point play last Saturday against the Miami Dolphins. Some of Buffalo’s runs were designed but some are merely “Josh being Josh,” as tight end Dawson Knox said.
And Allen, who runs into and sometimes hurdles defenders, has been warned not to expose himself so often in such ways. He’s aware of the risk. But does it, anyway.
The Bills have to hope it works out better for him than it has for Hurts, Jackson, Murray, Mariota and Fields this year.
DUAL-THREAT QBS SUCH AS JALEN HURTS ARE GREAT WEAPONS BUT INJURY RISK IS HUGE
by
ARMANDO SALGUERODecember 20, 2022, 8:10 amupdated December 20, 2022, 9:41 amPhiladelphia Eagles quarterback Jalen Hurts is very likely going to miss the Christmas Eve game against the Dallas Cowboys because he has a sprained right shoulder. And while that isn’t the worst thing in the world because the Eagles have built such a sizeable lead in the NFC East, it does reverberate in other meaningful ways.
The Hurts injury, you see, makes a statement about the dangers dual-threat quarterbacks face in playing outside the pocket the way they routinely do.
So, barring a recovery, Hurts will become the fifth dual threat starting quarterback to miss at least one game because of injury this season. Said another way, five of the NFL’s top seven rushing quarterbacks have already missed or will miss games if Hurts misses Saturday’s start.
It’s like these dual-threat QBs are injury magnets.
Leads List Of Injured Dual-Threat QBs
And that doesn’t mean only dual-threat quarterbacks get injured. But of the NFL’s 10 leading touchdown passers, only two are dual-threat players — Buffalo’s Josh Allen and Hurts.
And if Hurts indeed does not play Saturday, he will be only the second of that largely pocket-passing group to miss a start.
(Miami’s Tua Tagovailoa is the other).
Hurts this season has helped his team build the NFL’s best record at 13-1 by throwing 22 TD passes with only 5 interceptions while also scoring 13 rushing touchdowns. So Hurts has accounted for 4,219 total yards and 35 touchdowns.
The problem with those numbers is Hurts, as a dual-threat quarterback, often finds himself exposed to a full range of hits from infinite angles while enjoying none of the protection quarterbacks get in the pass pocket.
That’s how Hurts got, well, hurt. He was running right and Chicago Bears defensive end Trevis Gipson slammed him to the ground on his right shoulder.
Because Hurts was out of the pocket, Gipson didn’t have to limit the weight with which he landed on Hurts.
That’s how it is for dual-threat QBs. They are a threat to do great damage to defenses.
But defenses are a threat to do great damage to them.
Justin Fields, Lamar Jackson Also Miss Games
Consider that in the same game Hurts was injured, Bears dual-threat QB Justin Fields also left with a leg injury.
(Fields returned but everyone in Chicago was holding their breath until he jogged back to the sideline.)
Fields, by the way, missed a game with a shoulder sprain earlier this year.
Lamar Jackson, perhaps the game’s standard for dual-threat quarterbacks, has missed two games with a sprained PCL in his left knee.
The Ravens are 1-1 in the games Jackson has missed.
“I think I’m going to climb behind the barricade of it’s probably not the time to put a lot of information out there on our injuries, just for competitive purposes,” Ravens coach John Harbaugh said Monday. “So, we’re just going to let that develop and see where we go with it and not try to walk the tight rope of what we say.”
Harbaugh said on Dec. 6th that Jackson was “week to week.”
Despite Harbaugh’s barricade, the club is hopeful Jackson can be back for Saturday’s game against the Falcons.
Jackson injured his knee throwing from the pocket. He was sacked for a 6-yard loss by Broncos linebacker Jonathan Cooper,
Kyler Murray Out For The Season
But here’s the problem with dual-threat quarterbacks, however they get hurt: It happens a lot.
Jackson missed five games last season because of injury. Fields suffered cracked ribs last year and missed five of the Bears’ final seven games. Hurts had a high ankle sprain last year and missed a start.
Pocket passers, meanwhile, can play with some leg injuries as long as they can move in the pocket’s limited space. Dual-threat quarterbacks need their legs healthy to be able to get outside the pocket.
The Falcons had a dual-threat quarterback this season. Marcus Mariota started 12 games until he went on injured reserve last week and was scheduled for knee surgery.
And, full disclosure, Mariota was getting benched whether he was injured or not. But the point remains he is another dual-threat guy who will not be around for the remainder of the season.
Neither will Arizona’s Kyler Murray.
Murray is the seventh leading rusher among quarterbacks because he missed two games with a hamstring injury.
Murray played one full game after recovering from his injury. Then, after only one pass attempt, suffered an ACL injury scrambling out of the pocket against New England on Dec. 12.
Murray also missed three games with an ankle injury last season.
Murray, by the way, went down without any contact. That makes the point that just running around can be a problem sometimes as opposed to sticking in the pocket.
A Warning To Guys Such As Josh Allen
What does all this mean?
It makes calls for caution to players such as Buffalo’s Allen something more than empty echoes.
Allen led his team with 77 rushing yards and also converted a rush for a 2-point play last Saturday against the Miami Dolphins. Some of Buffalo’s runs were designed but some are merely “Josh being Josh,” as tight end Dawson Knox said.
And Allen, who runs into and sometimes hurdles defenders, has been warned not to expose himself so often in such ways. He’s aware of the risk. But does it, anyway.
The Bills have to hope it works out better for him than it has for Hurts, Jackson, Murray, Mariota and Fields this year.
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
Cant wait to see the rash of new mock drafts if it happens. Texans will then be in the prime position to trade down.
Then take Peter Skoronski.
Then Brian Bresee with #12.
SnakeEyes
Under NRG
Jimmy G to the Texans is starting to look like a real probability. 610 has reported that the team spoke with his team. As well as another station saying that the lively of Jimmy G going to Houston is heating up. Jimmy has ties to Nick Caserio (NE briefly), Meco and the new staff. He has no issues with turning the team over to another player as he did twice in San Francisco. I see 3 ways that it would end if it happens.
1- Someone takes the QB we want (and Young is being very sketchy with his injury and where he may throw) so hopefully not him. Or maybe it's why. Because the staff is not sold on anyone else and Young is going to have some serious explaining to do. Giving us either a chance to let a rookie sit and learn or playing 1yr and taking a QB next year. Yet ADDING a great DL player at 1.2.
2- As a starter he wins 6+ games and then we don't have the draft position for a QB next year.
3- Gets hurt after 6 games and Mills comes in and we are no better at QB that right now.
1- Someone takes the QB we want (and Young is being very sketchy with his injury and where he may throw) so hopefully not him. Or maybe it's why. Because the staff is not sold on anyone else and Young is going to have some serious explaining to do. Giving us either a chance to let a rookie sit and learn or playing 1yr and taking a QB next year. Yet ADDING a great DL player at 1.2.
2- As a starter he wins 6+ games and then we don't have the draft position for a QB next year.
3- Gets hurt after 6 games and Mills comes in and we are no better at QB that right now.
SnakeEyes
Under NRG
I agree with you to a point. But, I think Stroud is going to be better than your giving him credit for. And if we risk it...Richardson’s going to be amazing if he can sit and learn for 1 season
Hottoddie
Veteran
Or.....
4- The Texans draft Hendon Hooker (2nd or 3rd round) & let him sit on the bench while he fully recovers from his ACL tear, & holds down the fort with Jimmy G/Mills while they continue the second phase of the total rebuild.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Quarterbacks that are not dual threat get hurt just as much and their chances of getting injured is just as high. We have one example that played for the Texans; Mr. Matt Schaub. That’s just one example.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Highly doubt they will draft two quarterbacks in this draft. Especially when they have quite a few holes to fill.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
The Panthers and Raiders are showing significant interest in Jimmy G.
SnakeEyes
Under NRG
I pray we don't get in a bidding war and over pay Jimmy. He is an upgrade but he is not a big contract even a 1 or 2yr deal upgrade
SnakeEyes
Under NRG
Hooker may be decent but I think Jimmy will do better and he knows the system to a larger extent. Making it hard to had off the team to another QB. As they wouldn't have the knowledge.
vtech9
All Pro
Would you take Davis Mills at 2.33? Tanner McKee is pretty much another Davis Mills. Same school and all.
SnakeEyes
Under NRG
Something is going on with the not throwing. And instead of explaining, Young is not helping his draft position by just saying "I decided to wait till ____" fill in date.
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
Just opinion:
Dual threat QBs do get hurt more. They have a shorter career than traditional pocket passing QBs. Look how long Vick and McNabb lasted. Look at Lamar. Compare that to Brady and Manning. They take extra hits running out of the pockets and falling on different areas of their body. They will hurt ankles and calf’s that will create wear and tear. Then add the extra hits they take.
Even so you got to have a dual threat QB in todays NFL. I would still take one.
KoolAid Sipper
AFCEVET
A dual threat QB, IMO, is one who can pass and run with skill. I think the term is being used disproportionately on players who are better at one aspect vs the other (mostly run skill > passing skill). McNabb, Randall Cunningham, Steve Young and John Elway were dual threat QBs who had lasting careers.
Russell Wilson would fit in this category.
Number19
Hall of Fame
First, why should Young explain anything to the public? Public disclosure does not effect his draft position one iota. His medical issues were fully disclosed at the Combine.
It is conjecture, but almost certainly his long postponement of not throwing has to do with ongoing physical therapy to his shoulder and the advice of his physician and therapist, his goal being to fully recover going forward. His future prognosis will be fully understood by any team rolling the dice on drafting him.
The public should have no expectation of being informed at this point.
Talk about conjecture...
SnakeEyes
Under NRG
When you have every single talking head bring your name up and question about the issue of not throwing an changing dates. You could easily just say I want to be at 100% and my shoulder injury is lingering some and I am going on with rehabilitation to make sure you see me at my best.
After all, where there is smoke there is normally fire.
SnakeEyes
Under NRG
Another interesting new mock. Richardson could be amazing but only if someone like Jimmy G or another good vet is signed and he gets to sit and learn.
sports.yahoo.com
2023 NFL mock draft 5.0: Anthony Richardson vaults way up, while Jalen Carter 'slides' to team that trades back
Charles McDonald checks in with his post-combine mock, and there's some shakeup in the top 10.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
When injury observations are made in regards to size and specifically weight of players, they have not accounted for lean muscle mass. You can have a small QB which has significant muscle mass like Russel Wilson. Or you can have a small QB like Young that obvious has relatively little muscle mass. And why would that make a difference? Because it is a universally medically accepted fact that muscles (by mass, development and strength) are the protector of joints.
That's what talking heads are paid to do. Create talking points, even when there aren't any.
At least people are beginning to trust the media more. I guess that's a good thing?
vtech9
All Pro
He can't really say anything about an injury. If he does, it will get teams asking "What Injury?" since he was supposedly healthy at the end of the season. If teams find out that he is having issues with a previous injury, the red flags start flying, and his draft stock starts falling. He's not going to take that chance.
I think this mock must have been written by Anton Harrison's agent.Another interesting new mock. Richardson could be amazing but only if someone like Jimmy G or another good vet is signed and he gets to sit and learn.
2023 NFL mock draft 5.0: Anthony Richardson vaults way up, while Jalen Carter 'slides' to team that trades back
Charles McDonald checks in with his post-combine mock, and there's some shakeup in the top 10.
You realize that everyone at the combine went through extensive medical examines and the results will be given to all NFL teams? Right?
I was with you on the waste money with Jimmy G part.
No thanks. He had a better running back than Tyrod Taylor did and he still couldn’t hit receivers that were open. No thanks.
Number19
Hall of Fame
The question of his not throwing keeps being raised. Why shouldn't a response be offered up? Since there hasn't been any public disclosure, everything posted would be conjecture. But has there been anything suggested that is more plausible?
And it will. Until he throws. Then it will go back to how small Bryce is. Let's call it the draft news cycle.
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
You are correct. The term dual threat and running QB may get too blended and used in interchangeably when they perhaps shouldn’t.
I was focusing more on the running QB.
Looking at Vick, if you want to include McNabb, and if you want to go as far back as Cunningham they all retired in their early 30s. One could argue that Vick with the Jets and McNabb with Redskins were less mobile and thereby different playing style QBs then they were with their previous teams.
Young, Elway, and Mahomes would be more of that dual threat type.
Young, Elway, and in my previous example Brady and Manning all retired in there late 30s if not later.
I tried not to include Young, Elway and Cunningham because they played in a different era compared to Manning, McNabb, Vick, Brady and others.
So to me and my opinion running out of the pocket does have a long term effect on QBs health and how much they do it.
Present day QB Josh Allen may see that affect because of his running.
The point is running QBs have a shorter career. Pocket passers and running QBs both get hurt, but the more pocket passing and less running leads to longer careers. Dual threats are harder to measure, but the running would add injury risks.
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
Valid concerns nonetheless: health and size.
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
There was an article linked somewhere in the forum that compares injury to player size. And compared it to the position. The heavier the running back the less injury prone they were.
When you think about the speed and amount hits the running back is being hit by opposing DL, DE, and LBs it would make logical sense to have more insulation from the hits by adding weight which is normally muscle.
But you have to be able to play at that weight too. You can’t just add it for a weigh in…
As Allen progressed as a passer, I thought we would see him run less. That hasn't happened. He's a freak, I get that. But the Bills need to find another option in their running game. What Allen is doing is not sustainable.