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2023 TEXANS DRAFT DISCUSSION

Aside from Richardson, which players would you call the winners of combine week?

Tice: Stroud and Jaxon Smith-Njigba were the stars of Saturday night.

A lot of tight ends had big days, including Darnell Washington, who put on a show that will only help fans of his game build a case for his value and potential as a receiver. Sam LaPorta is an all-around football player that does a lot of things well and had a great day of testing. And even a prospect like Luke Schoonmaker continues to become more interesting because he’s a tight end who has shown he plays in-line and his testing numbers hinted there might be more to tap into as a receiver.

In a draft not featuring a ton of size at the wide receiver position, A.T. Perry matching the downfield ability he showed on film with a good day of testing likely helped alleviate some concerns about his speed.

Paris Johnson Jr. measured in with rare length that will tantalize teams, especially those that believe he can grow his game. And various front-seven players put up huge performances. To name a few: Nolan Smith, Lukas Van Ness and Adetomiwa Adebawore.

Lee: Smith-Njigba needed this week after missing so much of the 2022 season. His movement skills and body control are still as fresh and strong as ever, and his production consistency over his college career (injury aside) speaks for itself.

I was pleasantly surprised by how Bryan Bresee weighed in (a spry 298 pounds) and moved around during his positional drills.

I also owe Dane and Nick a steak dinner for alerting me to Lukas Van Ness ahead of combine week, because the Iowa prospect was every bit the athlete they told me he was. He ran a 7.02 three cone, a 1.64 10-yard split and 4.32 short shuttle, at 272 pounds. Hercules, indeed.

Baumgardner: Stroud and Smith-Njigba were phenomenal, to no one’s surprise. Smith-Njigba’s agility and movement skills are off the charts — we knew this. He reminds me of a more agile and slipperier version of Amon-Ra St. Brown, who is a first-down machine from the slot.

Two other receivers who had outstanding testing days: Perry and Tennessee’s Jalin Hyatt.

Cornerbacks Christian Gonzalez and Deonte Banks both looked terrific, and Georgia OT Broderick Jones (34 3/4-inch arm length, 1.75 10-second split, 30-inch vertical) matched his tape. Jones is a great prospect.

Flip side, which prospects hurt — or at least missed an opportunity to help — their stock in Indianapolis?

Baumgardner: I don’t know if Bryce Young hurt his stock by opting out of testing/workouts, but it was a missed opportunity. We know how big he is, in terms of his size, so I would have liked to see him display his competitive nature in front of the country the way Stroud (and others) did. Sitting out everything in Indy while your top competitors killed it, only to eventually do the exact same things later at your pro day — quite possibly at a much lower weight than Young’s 204-pound combine number — is something teams are going to notice. It just is.

Lee: With everyone else throwing, Young needed to be out there, and there’s nothing that can walk me off that opinion. Even after bulking up to clear the 200-pound threshold, Young didn’t do enough to change the narratives about his size. His competition, meanwhile, all showed well enough to climb or solidify their place in the draft ranks.

Another one: Kelee Ringo. I’m still a believer in the Georgia cornerback, and his speed (4.36 seconds in the 40-yard dash) is legitimate. His vertical jump (33 1/2 inches) and hip mobility aren’t where I need them to be, however, to consider him at the top of the corners class — especially with guys like Gonzalez and Devon Witherspoon as his competition.

Tice: There were so many receivers who weighed in under 180 pounds and put up fine, but not overwhelming, testing numbers. The player whose stock really continued on a downward trend, though, was LSU’s Kayshon Boutte. He is still a skillful player and his 40-yard time (4.5) ended up being more than fine, but his lack of explosion numbers will cause teams to keep squinting about how he’ll translate to the professional ranks.

Are there any prospects you need to circle back on after seeing them this weekend? Anyone you weren’t expecting to test the way they did?

Lee: I’m going back to Bresee’s 2021 tape again. He tested well enough to merit another look, especially given how much I cooled on him during the 2022 season. Schoonmaker is someone else I want to spend some time on. He weighed in just above 250 pounds and ran a 4.63 40 and a 4.27 short shuttle. I need to lock into how well he blocks, but he can be a serious steal given how deep the TE class already is.

Tice: West Virginia’s Bryce Ford-Wheaton. He never posted huge numbers in college and will enter the NFL as an older player, but his combination of size (6-foot-4, 221 pounds) and tools is worth a second look. Old Dominion tight end Zack Kuntz had a monster day, too. His game tape is more that of a player who’s a glorified wide receiver (think Mike Gesicki), but his testing numbers will have me rewatching to see if there are any glimpses of him moving in-line.

On the opposite end of things, I thought Jordan Addison would test a bit better. Addison is a skilled player who was tremendously productive at his two college spots (USC and Pitt), and he tested fine — I am not knocking his stock because of it. He just plays much faster on film.

Baumgardner: South Carolina defensive lineman Zacch Pickens continues to be impressive with just about everything he does, from talking to working out. There’s a lot of versatility there. Pickens is an interesting athlete who played around a lot of really good players in Columbia.

I went back over the game of Illinois safety Sydney Brown (40 1/2-inch vertical, 10-foot-10 broad jump, 4.47 40) after the Senior Bowl, and I’m going to have to do it again. He was absolutely outstanding at the combine.
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NFL Scouting Combine winners and losers: Anthony Richardson, Jaxon Smith-Njigba excel

Which prospects boosted their draft stock during combine week in Indianapolis? Who struggled under the bright lights?
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CloakNNNdagger said:
Not necessarily for a low grade A/C separation. Everyone seems to be focusing in on the A/C separation. However that is the least of my concern. I will repost my previous post which relates my primary concerns in detail.:
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Yeah, I'm all too familiar with subluxations. I had and ankle subluxation when I was in the Army. I have had problems with it ever since. It doesn't take much at all for it to go out. I've fallen many many times because of it. It's put me down stairs, and screwed up my back and shoulders from trying to catch myself.
 
Texansphan said:
Bryce Young was caught between a rock and a hard place. I bet he desperately wanted to be out there but that shoulder injury would have showed up bad.
If he doesn't slide down draft boards now I will be scratching my head.
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I also wonder how much the extra weight is affecting his throwing motion. Bulking up for the weigh in could also cause some inflammation, depending on what he did to bulk up.
 
vtech9 said:
I also wonder how much the extra weight is affecting his throwing motion. Bulking up for the weigh in could also cause some inflammation, depending on what he did to bulk up.
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Did you know he has postponed his pro day to Alabama's 2nd pro day 2 weeks later?
You can bet all his throws will be carefully scripted to fit his current condition.
 
Saturday’s drills amped up the pressure on Bryce Young a little, as I see it. Young checked in at 5'10", and 204 pounds, then sat out all the drills. He’ll throw at his pro day and, presumably, decline to weigh in there (it’s not Young’s fault he has to play it, but the shell game here is a little ridiculous if you think about it). In the end, teams are either going to get comfortable with Young’s lack of size, and standing as an outlier, or they won’t.

But I will say that what Ohio State’s C.J. Stroud and Florida’s Anthony Richardson did in the quarterback workout over the weekend isn’t going to help him, mostly because those guys do fit prototypes, and helped themselves in a big way. Which, at least on paper, creates an alternative for a team that might be a little uneasy with taking a smaller quarterback high.

I got a text from one NFC quarterbacks coach during Stroud’s throwing session that was simple and to the point—“He’s killing it.” You saw, in the 21-year-old Buckeye, a polished passer capable of changing speeds on the ball, getting it anywhere on the field efficiently, and maintaining accuracy regardless of which type of throw he’s making.

As for Richardson, well, that one’s even simpler. He’s 6'4" and 244 pounds, set combine records for quarterbacks in the vertical (40.5") and broad (10'9") jumps, and blazed a 4.43 40-yard dash, then slinged the ball with effortless arm strength in his workout.

Now, the question for teams will be how that matches up with how he played at Florida.

“He was composed and clean here, and that doesn’t always show up on tape,” says one AFC college scout, who has studied Richardson on tape and gotten live game exposures to him as well. “I had him as my [top QB] coming in. … I don’t know if I’d have the [guts] to take him over Bryce, but I love the ceiling. He’s just so extremely gifted, if you can clean up his feet, create some easy rhythm for him, and build around him, I don’t see why he can’t be a very good quarterback. That’ll obviously take commitment, but I would take him.”

“The athleticism matches [on tape],” said an AFC exec after the workout. “His physical talent is unquestionable. And there are a number of plays on film that you can say, Not many guys can do that, too.” I then asked the exec how raw he sees Richardson being, and he answered, “3.5 on a scale of 1–5. I mean, it’s [how much] you can put on him without guardrails. Some guys right away can handle it. Others need time.”

Regardless of how much time he needs, Richardson left Indy looking like a more viable option for teams at the top of the draft than he had going in. So did Stroud. Which means now Young’s got some work to do.
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Richardson blew up the measurables component to a level never seen before. That's great. But his throwing really impressed me. He sprayed a little high and with ball placement that was often not ideal. But he also made a lot of hits in stride and he threw a phenomenal deep ball right there with Stroud. Footwork looked pretty good and he was compact. Richardson was not completely 'raw' like you might expect—like a Colin Kapernick 10 years ago for example. You can see a clear potential for Lamar Jackson level passing ability, but with a stronger arm.

Guy who kinda disappointed in the passing drills was Levis, who often threw flat-footed and grounded some passed and passed low.
 
ben.aires.smith said:
There's been zero talk of any concern about Bryce Young's medicals in the MSM. I wonder if it really is any concern. I assumed he didn't participate in the combine because his measurables (pretty much in all categories) would look subpar compared to his peers. Dude really knows how to play the game, but he just doesn't have the same arm talent and physique.
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If you notice, there have been no releases of medical evaluations to date. Also be aware that the medical evaluations are solely for team Draft consumption purposes. All participants sign waivers for their medical information to be shared with the NFL and every team. They are never released officially to the public (unless the player himself does so). HIPAA precludes this. However, sometimes, they are leaked later.
 
ben.aires.smith said:
Richardson blew up the measurables component to a level never seen before. That's great. But his throwing really impressed me. He sprayed a little high and with ball placement that was often not ideal. But he also made a lot of hits in stride and he threw a phenomenal deep ball right there with Stroud. Footwork looked pretty good and he was compact. Richardson was not completely 'raw' like you might expect—like a Colin Kapernick 10 years ago for example. You can see a clear potential for Lamar Jackson level passing ability, but with a stronger arm.

Guy who kinda disappointed in the passing drills was Levis, who often threw flat-footed and grounded some passed and passed low.
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Richardson needs to go to a team like the Seahawks where he can go and sit because if you throw him to the wolves right away, his confidence will get shattered
 
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FMIA Combine Week: Ryan Poles on "Healing" the Bears and His Plan for the First Overall Pick - ProFootballTalk

Peter King reports on his week at the 2023 NFL Scouting Combine, featuring Bears GM Ryan Poles on what Chicago will do with the first overall draft pick.
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The aggressors: Indianapolis and Carolina. The Colts have had a different starting quarterback five years in a row, and haven’t won a playoff game in the last four seasons. GM Chris Ballard is under the gun, and he knows it. I think if he falls in love with one of the top passers, he’ll overpay for him. Carolina could be more desperate. The owner, David Tepper, has made it clear internally he wants a long-term answer at quarterback, and he wants it now. Indianapolis wouldn’t have to trade as much as Carolina for the pick, because it’d be moving up three spots. But the Panthers might be willing to overpay relative to the Colts, and if the Bears have enough “blue” players on the board to ensure they’d get one picking at nine, I could see them taking that deal. What would that package look like? Maybe Chicago trading from one to nine and getting first-round picks in 2024 and ’25 and extra second- and third-round picks over the next two drafts. I’m told it’s entirely possible cooler heads will prevail in Carolina, but we’ll see.

Interested parties: If Houston wants to cut off a suitor for, say, Bryce Young, the Bears could double-trade—taking perhaps two high (but not first-round) picks to go to number two, then deal again for a team, in this example, desperate for C.J. Stroud or Anthony Richardson. Las Vegas will be interested if there’s a QB Josh McDaniels really likes, but I’m dubious the Raiders will be desperate enough to do what Indy or Carolina would do to move up.

“No one’s gonna rush me,” Poles said. “I know I can get a ’24 one and a ’25 one. You’re telling me for the next two years I’ll have two ones? That’s either four really good players, or if we’re cruising, we can still trade back.”
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Most of you probably would not know the origins of the NFL Combine. Indianapolis-based National Football Scouting Inc. (NFS) held its first National Invitational Camp in Tampa, Fla., in 1982. The Camp saw acquired medical information on 163 prospects shared with 16 member teams. The Camp was specifically designed to be a single locale to share medical information.
 
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Richardson needs to go to a team like the Seahawks where he can go and sit because if you throw him to the wolves right away, his confidence will get shattered
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Yep... agreed. Should get the Mahomes sit-1-year treatment. I could see Carolina, Oakland, Seattle or even Indy making a play for Richardson. The talent and upside is that special, and throwing mechanics not actually far off. Guess it depends what stock each team puts on measurables/upside vs. game tape.
 
1. Chicago Bears: Will Anderson, Edge, Alabama

Most execs said they thought Alabama quarterback Bryce Young and Ohio State quarterback C.J. Stroud would be the first two players selected, one way or another, and that Young was probably going to be the first pick. This presumes another team will trade into the top spot for one of those quarterbacks, which most execs said they thought would happen. We are listing Anderson as the pick for Chicago because he’s the player execs thought the Bears would target if they picked at or near the top of the draft.

“I think a trade is more likely than not — I would say 75 percent chance,” said a GM from a team picking later and with an established quarterback already on its roster. “I could see it being more of like a Carolina (currently picking ninth) or someone outside the top 10 jumping into that top spot.”

With Kentucky’s Will Levis and Florida’s Richardson also projected to be top-10 picks, there could be enough quarterbacks to go around near the top of the draft. Teams holding picks that high could let one of the four quarterbacks fall to them. But with every top quarterback prospect carrying at least some concerns, Chicago might struggle to get sufficient trade value to justify swapping places with a team like Carolina or others picking even later.

“In the end, I don’t know if they get enough to move down,” a team president said. “Maybe you can get a Tampa, who is desperate, or the Raiders. But I think everybody holds tight and they probably just draft.”

Asked about Young and Stroud being the top two picks, an exec from a team picking lower in the top 10 hedged.

“I would say this: Will Anderson and the two quarterbacks in the top three,” he said.

The Bears figure to be bigger players in free agency than they were last offseason, which could affect draft needs. Trading down and selecting one of the elite defensive linemen was a higher-odds proposition before authorities charged Georgia’s Jalen Carter with reckless driving and racing for his alleged role in a January crash that killed Georgia teammate Devin Willock and staffer Chandler LeCroy.

“I’d be curious, do they go sign a defensive tackle or an edge guy in free agency, knowing that is how they are going to prioritize it?” one of the GMs said of the Bears.




2. Houston Texans: Bryce Young, QB, Alabama
The Texans, led by GM Nick Caserio, are in prime position to land one of the quarterbacks without maneuvering.

“I think Nick sits on the pick,” the GM quoted previously said.

A second GM from a team picking later in the order and with an established quarterback already on its roster said he thought either Houston or Indianapolis would trade with Chicago.

“I think the first two picks are Young and Stroud,” this GM said. “How they go, where they go, depends on how aggressive these other teams want to be in getting up there.”

Aggressiveness will vary based on evaluations that are still being made, in conjunction with what opportunities exist in free agency and the veteran trade market.

“I can’t see Houston moving up,” an exec from a team picking in the top 10 said of the Texans, who also pick 12th. “I see them gambling that there is a quarterback there at 12.”


4. Indianapolis Colts: C.J. Stroud, QB, Ohio State
Has the Colts’ quarterback desperation reached a point where the organization must move aggressively to secure its next starter? Can GM Chris Ballard afford to play the long game, letting the draft come to him, after team owner Jim Irsay came on so strong last season?

The GM who said he thought Houston would “sit on” the second pick instead of trading up said he wasn’t convinced the Colts would be trading into the top spot, either.

“Maybe I’m wrong, but I don’t think Chris (Ballard) will fall in love enough with any one quarterback,” this GM said. “I think he will be happy with whoever comes to him. I think the owner (Jim Irsay) will say, ‘OK, if we say there are three or four guys, we’d better end up with one of them.'”

The GM quoted earlier saying “the first two picks are Young and Stroud” said he thought Indianapolis likely would be in play for the top pick, despite Ballard seeming to downplay the idea in his public comments.

“I think Indianapolis will try to get in there ahead of Houston,” this GM said.

To select Young?

“No, I think they will take C.J. Stroud,” the GM answered. “Bigger, stronger, better arm.”
Young’s small size could be a deal breaker for some teams, especially when it comes to trading up, some execs thought.

“There is something special about his ability to see it and get the ball out, but I’m as scared as everybody else when I went and saw him and saw how small he was,” another exec said. “He and Ohio State (Stroud) are neck-and-neck, and really you are beating up the other guy because of something we can’t fix.”

What Chicago does with the first pick could be critical for the Colts.

“If Chicago were to keep the top pick, we could see another team leapfrogging Indy,” a GM said. “I could see Chris Ballard saying, ‘I like three guys, I don’t know which one is the best, I am going to sit and pick.’ And then someone lower saying, ‘Shoot, Bryce Young and C.J. Stroud are off the board, Indy is going to take our guy,’ and then you see quarterbacks go 2-3-4 as opposed to 1-2-3.”
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vtech9 said:
Yeah, I'm all too familiar with subluxations. I had and ankle subluxation when I was in the Army. I have had problems with it ever since. It doesn't take much at all for it to go out. I've fallen many many times because of it. It's put me down stairs, and screwed up my back and shoulders from trying to catch myself.
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Yeah but did you fumble the football is what we want to know. Lol
 
TexansBull said:
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I like the idea of Richardson. But the implementation of him is going to take time and patience. I think that accuracy is going to take time. And you don’t know if that happens. I don’t know if he has the mental makeup that can read defenses in the NFL.

Awesome athlete though.
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I got flashbacks of floating out route passes turning into pick 6's watching that video.

I blame Matt Schaub for that.

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Yeah, I saw that. I'd like to know what his weight will be for his pro day also.
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LZ said teams can request a weigh in at pro days, but players have a right to refuse.

And like CloakNNNdagger just mentioned, "Why" would be an interesting question because it would seem perplexing and intentionally hiding something.
 
thunderkyss said:
But didn't he play well for 7 months after the injury?
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You can get shot up for grade I A/C and rotator cuff injuries. After a shoulder subluxation, injections with physical therapy can return a player to play very quickly. But future subluxation and dislocation are not uncommon. Lastly, players often play through labral tears, but doing so can lead to very significant problems...........Andrew Luck ignored and played through a "minor" labral tear for 2 years.........eventually leading to a "shredded" labrum which resisted surgical intervention.

Any shoulder problems in the throwing shoulder of a quarterback is not a joke. And when you're dealing with what Young has already experienced in an ultra-short college career, the concern is not only for a 7 or 12 month period, it is a setup to rear its ugly head any time in the future.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
You can get shot up for grade I A/C and rotator cuff injuries. After a shoulder subluxation, injections with physical therapy can return a player to play very quickly. But future subluxation and dislocation are not uncommon. Lastly, players often play through labral tears, but doing so can lead to very significant problems...........Andrew Luck ignored and played through a "minor" labral tear for 2 years.........eventually leading to a "shredded" labrum which resisted surgical intervention.

Any shoulder problems in the throwing shoulder of a quarterback is not a joke. And when you're dealing with what Young has already experienced in an ultra-short college career, the concern is not only for a 7 or 12 month period, it is a setup to rear its ugly head any time in the future.
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If you are going to draft a player with potential throwing problems you might as well draft AR.
 
Darnell Washington was the guy that really, really stood out to me at TE. I had the TV on while I was doing some other things as well...so I didn't see every guy.

But I saw Washington's entire workout, and I was like damn. This cat is special. He's a stud. I'l be all over that dude if he made it to 33, but I now think that's a long shot. Most of the time, the underwear Olympics doesn't move me, but I am making an exception for Washington. His skills were completely showcased.

If I'm Slowik, I'm salivating over Washington. There were some other good workouts at TE too. This is a deep class so I'm hesitant to trade up for Washington...but I'm damn tempted to trade down from 12 and take him at the new landing spot - somewhere from 14-18 most likely. Might be a little high, but I don't care. Get me a stud TE in this new offense to go with Bryce or CJ and let's roll. He'd instantly be the best TE this team has ever had. I see pro-bowls, if not all-pro for this guy. Super impressed.
 
I mentioned earlier that Washington is like having another tackle to protect the QB and run block while being a target with WR hands. I would love to get him with our 2nd round pick but he will be gone by then. I'm thinking my big board is needing more thinking. The fear of us trading 1.12 and 2.33 to move up to draft a frail QB that is nursing a shoulder issue keeps my draft board sea sick.
 
ghostlight said:
I mentioned earlier that Washington is like having another tackle to protect the QB and run block while being a target with WR hands. I would love to get him with our 2nd round pick but he will be gone by then. I'm thinking my big board is needing more thinking. The fear of us trading 1.12 and 2.33 to move up to draft a frail QB that is nursing a shoulder issue keeps my draft board sea sick.
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I really don't think they trade up to 1.1. I could be wrong, but I'd be really surprised. I also don't think it would cost them 1.12 and maybe not 2.33 either. It's one spot. Throw our first 3 this year and a 3 next year as bait and that likely gets it done. I'm not saying I am in favor, just speculating on what it would take.

I think they stay at 1.2 and take either Bryce or CJ. If both guys are there and I had to guess, I think Bryce. He has more of the it factor, more juice, more of a rally the troops guy. More of the guy you want in the 4th quarter and you're behind by a score. That's the guy you want there IMHO. This is the guy that can really lead an offense. I do have some concerns about size and the shoulder but I've still got him above CJ for the intangibles he brings which are off the charts compared to anyone else in this draft class. You can't teach that stuff.

But I'm with you on Washington. I am in man-love with that beast. More than likely he goes to a playoff team back half of round one, but I'd welcome any way to get him on this team.
 
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I mentioned earlier that Washington is like having another tackle to protect the QB and run block while being a target with WR hands. I would love to get him with our 2nd round pick but he will be gone by then. I'm thinking my big board is needing more thinking. The fear of us trading 1.12 and 2.33 to move up to draft a frail QB that is nursing a shoulder issue keeps my draft board sea sick.
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I believe the answers in this draft likes in this draft lie in RD2 and RD3…..but Washington’s performance has certainly made me include mid to late RD1 as well.

I believe the Bears would want Anderson more than any other player, but could be just as interested in Wilson if their trade down doesn’t leave them in no-man’s land. The only team desperate enough to overpay for the 1st pick is probably the Colts. If the Colts move up and remove Stroud from the board…..could be interesting to see if Anderson or Young could generate enough interest for the Texans to get some action.
 
God, with Carr getting that much (I like him and think he's better than what was the conclusion as of the end of his Raiders career).... I may have to switch my thinking. Maybe we do have to get one of the QB in the draft than rely on a bridge.

I don't know. Maybe Jimmy or other QBs don't get that much.

Levis is the only one I'd want. Whoever we get I'll be rooting for them to be successful of course.
 
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God, with Carr getting that much (I like him and think he's better than what was the conclusion as of the end of his Raiders career).... I may have to switch my thinking. Maybe we do have to get one of the QB in the draft than rely on a bridge.

I don't know. Maybe Jimmy or other QBs don't get that much.

Levis is the only one I'd want. Whoever we get I'll be rooting for them to be successful of course.
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I imagine Jimmy will have taken notice of Carr's contract and will have $$$ signs in his eyes.
 
Texansphan said:
Well, we know he can operate behind an NFL Oline as Alabama's line was pretty big. Does his small size effect his ability to attack the middle of the field?
I just hope we don't burn extra picks to go get him.
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There are several examples of him not seeing WR's in the middle of the field if you go back and watch game tape. You can even see some of it in his highlight reel.
 
Post Combine Draft thoughts....

It is a prohibitive favorite that the Texans will draft a QB with 1.2. Caserio said they're focused on the 2nd pick. If they were interested in trading back, Caserio would/should be promoting that just like Bears GM Ryan Pole. They are not. Then again it is Caserio.

Will the Texans draft Stroud? One would think that F me once shame on you, F me twice shame on Cal. Something tells me Hannah is not going to let this happen. My thoughts are if you insist on taking a QB at 1.2 then you roll the dice with Young or Stroud or you trade back.

If Caserio hadn't screwed up the Cooks and Tunsil contracts the Texans would have more cap space than the Bears at $96MM. Cooks would be tradeable without eating millions.

Bears new GM seems to get it by trading Roquan Smith. Pole said a new $20MM a year contract at the beginning of a 3-year rebuild would be a waste of money that could be used in much better ways. The Texans should follow suit and do a sign and trade with Tunsil. Then again this is Caserio and Cal.

If the Texans draft Quentin Johnson with 1.12 that will be strike 2 with the Watson ransom.
 
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I really don't think they trade up to 1.1. I could be wrong, but I'd be really surprised. I also don't think it would cost them 1.12 and maybe not 2.33 either. It's one spot. Throw our first 3 this year and a 3 next year as bait and that likely gets it done. I'm not saying I am in favor, just speculating on what it would take.

I think they stay at 1.2 and take either Bryce or CJ. If both guys are there and I had to guess, I think Bryce. He has more of the it factor, more juice, more of a rally the troops guy. More of the guy you want in the 4th quarter and you're behind by a score. That's the guy you want there IMHO. This is the guy that can really lead an offense. I do have some concerns about size and the shoulder but I've still got him above CJ for the intangibles he brings which are off the charts compared to anyone else in this draft class. You can't teach that stuff.

But I'm with you on Washington. I am in man-love with that beast. More than likely he goes to a playoff team back half of round one, but I'd welcome any way to get him on this team.
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My sense is if Da Bears who have made it known they are in year 1 of a 3-year rebuild, already have a 1st rd in 2024 and 2025 on the table plus more, the Texans trading up is not in the discussion. Unlike the Texans who are in year 3 of their 1st year rebuild.
 
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