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2022 draft eligible QBs - General Discussion

steelbtexan said:
Where do y'all think

Corral/Strong/Pickett go?

I had Strong in the 1st before this season started. Now I think if I needed a QB (,Not the Texans) I would look at Pickett and Corral if I was a QB needy team. I think the Steelers are going to pick Pickett if he's available at their pick.
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I still have Strong #1. His arm is elite at all levels of the field And more importantly he’s extremely accurate.
Pickett a close 2nd. I like the mobility too. He just ran for the 1st on 3rd down, in the rain in OT. He’s got some wheels and I get the Joe Burrow comps. He’s got the same throwing motion of Burrow too. Pickett does make bad decisions though. He threw into some coverages last night that were really bad throws. He’s gotta reign that in.

Both are risers to me while Corral kinda scared me. His size isn’t ideal, he runs this RPO system that works at times then goes stagnant and his arm isnt stronger or more accurate than either Strong or Pickett. He does play in the SEC. And that has to be taken into consideration.
 
steelbtexan said:
Where do y'all think

Corral/Strong/Pickett go?

I had Strong in the 1st before this season started. Now I think if I needed a QB (,Not the Texans) I would look at Pickett and Corral if I was a QB needy team. I think the Steelers are going to pick Pickett if he's available at their pick.
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My favorite college QB is Matt Corral. However with that said I don't think Corral's game can withstand the NFL. Running the ball 30 times a game and maybe weighing 200 lbs soaking wet, sounds like a squash casserole to me. Pickett has certainly been rising to the top and making a name for himself. Strong has also done well representing himself but as I have mentioned before about Strong he has to clear all medicals surrounding his knee before I can get excited about him.

I can see Armstrong, Howell, McCall returning to school. The sleeper here and the best of the lot could be JT Daniels.
 
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Jack Burton said:
Oh, I’m in complete agreement. It’s extremely rare. Allen didn’t have good numbers at Wyoming and I think he’s the outlier right now.
This is why I’m so high on Strong. He throws the ball alot but he completes a lot of his passes and he completes a lot from the pocket.
His last 2 years he’s had a 70% completion and his pocket completion is as high.
Its why I’m liking Pickett more and more. Like Strong, he has the athleticism to run around when needed and throw accurately but more importantl, Pickett throws consistent from the pocket. Pickett has dramatically improved his completion % and is near 69%.

It can be a mirage of a stat though and you have to watch entire games to get a better gauge of how they are making these completions. Both Strong and Pickett are passing the NFL level “eye test”.
They both can move and manipulate the pocket, get out into space, keeping their eyes downfield and throw on the run accurately.
But to me the benchmark of a successful transition from college to the NFL is throwing accurately from the pocket. And both seem to be nailing it.
I also like Picketts size. He’s a big kid. 6’3” 220 and he could add a few more pounds. I didn’t notice his size and his wheels in the games I randomly watched of him. Strong is taller and more noticeable and he could also gain a couple pounds more.
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Thank you for the informative answer. Much appreciated!
 
Texian said:
My favorite college QB is Matt Corral. However with that said I don't think Corral's game can withstand the NFL. Running the ball 30 times a game and maybe weighing 200 lbs soaking wet, sounds like a squash casserole to me. Pickett has certainly been rising to the top and making a name for himself. Strong has also done well representing himself but as I have mentioned before about Strong he has to clear all medicals surrounding his knee before I can get excited about him.

I can see Armstrong, Howell, McCall returning to school. The sleeper here and the best of the lot could be JT Daniels.
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In complete agreement with Corral. I like him. At times hes really impressive both throwing and running. But like you said, the more you watch him, the more you realize this offense isn’t sustainable in the NFL. He’s going to get murdered doing that. It is really impressive at times though and they dial up timely plays for him to run.

I don’t think Strong has had any injuries to the knee in question since he injured it in high school. So far so good.
I better knock on some wood though.
 
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Lucky said:
I think there are still 6 or even 7 QBs in the 1st round mix. I would add Willis, Howell, and Ridder to the QBs you mentioned. I think Stanford's Tanner McKee could be the top QB based off size/arm/athleticism metrics. He'll be 22 by draft day and may not want to wait any longer to become a NFL QB.
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Do you think that’s the reason Davis entered the draft? Thinking he would lose the starting job to McKee
 
thunderkyss said:
I’m sure the media is going to talk them into one of these guys with a top 3 pick, because of need.
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I'm not so sure about that .... they may ride out a year or two of Mills.

Caserio knows that this is a multi year rebuild and nothing could set it back further than making a bad decision on a QB with an early pick.

My suspicion is that they will look to build a quality OL , find a lead back and another weapon for Mills.
If he doesn't develop over the course of the next year then we might see them go after a QB.


And lets be honest , you could put prime Joe Montana on this team and he would suck too ....
 
thunderkyss said:
Do you think that’s the reason Davis entered the draft? Thinking he would lose the starting job to McKee
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Absolutely not. He took control of situation, PAC 12 Conference basically shutdown over Covid, he wanted to play and took a risk coming out, post injury without snaps (conference shutdown) despite hurting his draft position (had he been able to play) proving his love for the game and belief in his own abilities.
 
WEEK 11 RESULTS:

PassingCompAttPctYdsY/ATDIntSackYdsLQBRat
Sam Howell223366.72969.021530156.
PassingCompAttPctYdsY/ATDIntSackYdsLQBRat
Kenny Pickett254358.13468.031433144.1
PassingCompAttPctYdsY/ATDIntSackYdsLQBRat
Desmond Ridder313979.53047.821110156.8
PassingCompAttPctYdsY/ATDIntSackYdsLQBRat
Matt Corral243764.92476.71015129.9
PassingCompAttPctYdsY/ATDIntSackYdsLQBRat
Sam Hartman204742.62906.233316102.7
PassingCompAttPctYdsY/ATDIntSackYdsLQBRat
Carson Strong344870.83507.330319152.7
Grayson McCall and Brennan Armstrong DNP
 
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Texian said:
FYI - Announcers were saying that Strong's arm strength was down from a year ago because of his knee surgeries. Also commented that his leg strength was also weaker and he couldn't push off and drive the ball like he could the year before.
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Looks to me like he's hot one of the strongest arms in the class.

Imagine how much stronger his arm will be with a year of rehab. We will be talking Rodgers type arm strength if the announcers are correct and he gets fully healthy. That's 1-1 type arm stuff.
 
steelbtexan said:
Looks to me like he's hot one of the strongest arms in the class.

Imagine how much stronger his arm will be with a year of rehab. We will be talking Rodgers type arm strength if the announcers are correct and he gets fully healthy. That's 1-1 type arm stuff.
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Sounds like wishful thinking and hoping.
 
steelbtexan said:
Looks to me like he's hot one of the strongest arms in the class.

Imagine how much stronger his arm will be with a year of rehab. We will be talking Rodgers type arm strength if the announcers are correct and he gets fully healthy. That's 1-1 type arm stuff.
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Frustrating watching Strong get hung out to dry by his own team. The guy is a monster competitor and he gets very little help from his o line and defense, which is why he’s been beaten to death this year.
Comentator was saying that he’s 65% and his knee is holding up, but he’s been smashed and is also exhausted physically. I didn’t know he had his knee scoped in the off-season but he’s not shown any limp whatsoever. His knee seems to be holding up and he seems to just be beaten up overall. What’s amazing is he still can zip the ball the way he is throwing it
I still like Strong over all the other QBs. And his medical is extremely important. If his knee is jacked, it’s jacked and teams will rightfully pass.
 
Texian said:
Sounds like wishful thinking and hoping.
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Just going by what the commentator was saying.

I've watched a few of Strong's games this yr and he's got the strongest arm of all of the top rated QB's. IMHO

So maybe that commentator was blowing smoke or just plain dumb.
 
steelbtexan said:
Just going by what the commentator was saying.

I've watched a few of Strong's games this yr and he's got the strongest arm of all of the top rated QB's. IMHO

So maybe that commentator was blowing smoke or just plain dumb.
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Apparently they have announced several Nevada games because they were comparing his 2020 games vs 2021 games they had personally called. So maybe it's not smoke or being dumb but actually being up close and personal having live eyes on the QB?
 
Texian said:
Apparently they have announced several Nevada games because they were comparing his 2020 games vs 2021 games they had personally called. So maybe it's not smoke or being dumb but actually being up close and personal having live eyes on the QB?
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Well then, it really doesn't matter because he's still got the strongest arm in the class. Which was the point of my previous post to begin with. Sorry I got off on a tangent.
 
Texian said:
Once you get to bone on bone you're pretty much done. After already having 3 operations on the same knee, Strong may be one more operation away from having B on B. Why I say full medical clearance before I can get excited.
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Has he had any meniscus damage or has all been ligament related?
 
beerlover said:
I think it’s going to become more apparent as this process moves along, that Mills was a great selection in the 3rd rd.
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SO BL how do you think our guy Mills compares to the top QB prospects in the '22 Draft class ?
 
Texian said:
I'm ASSUMING he has had meniscus damage based on the recovery times this Spring and Summer. His High School injury was likely ligament based on recovery time and the limited recruitment he received. This really is more of question for @CloakNNNdagger.
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I’m agreeing that bone on bone conditions are problematic for professional athletes. Just wondering how you concluded he’s got a bone on bone situation. That’s pretty rare for a QB.
 
thunderkyss said:
I’m agreeing that bone on bone conditions are problematic for professional athletes. Just wondering how you concluded he’s got a bone on bone situation. That’s pretty rare for a QB.
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I never concluded he had bone on bone.
 
WEEK 12 SCHEDULE:

Carson Strong, QB Nevada vs Air Force Fri, Nov 19, 8:00 PM CST on FS1

Sam Hartman, QB Wake Forest @ Clemson Sat, Nov 20, 11:00 AM CST on ESPN

Sam Howell, QB North Carolina vs Wofford Sat, Nov 20, 11:00 AM CST on CSS

Kenny Pickett, QB Pittsburgh vs Virginia Sat, Nov 20, 2:30 PM CST on ESN2

Desmond Ridder, QB Cincinnati vs SMU Sat, Nov 20, 2:30 PM CST on ESPN

Matt Corral, QB Ole Miss vs Vanderbilt Sat, Nov 20, 6:30 PM CST on SECN
 
Has anyone considered looking at Phil Jurkovec? He’s the QB out of Boston College. I was interested in him earlier in the season but then he got hurt. He might be worth a late round pick. Great size and good arm. He has potential to be invited to the SB in think.
 
IDEXAN said:
SO BL how do you think our guy Mills compares to the top QB prospects in the '22 Draft class ?
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each is unique and different in their own way. Mills has plus size and arm compared to current crop. His game management, reaction and ability to off schedule are issues, compared to Matt Corrall or Kenny Pickett. For that, would rank above Mills (both probable 1st rd grades). After that late round one early round two grade, based off traits for Mills.

So much is based off team fit, scheme and team culture, it’s really hard to say? I’ve always believed Texans should have invested more in the draft towards QB position. Even once they finally had their franchise QB, you need to draft and develop early as possible the prospect with starting capable traits, not just back/up material. Mills has starting traits, 3rd rd is fair value, but they need to keep drafting another QB with starting traits. For one they can push each other, two adds better depth and three, will not be allowed to hold franchise hostage.
 
TexansFan15 said:
Has anyone considered looking at Phil Jurkovec? He’s the QB out of Boston College. I was interested in him earlier in the season but then he got hurt. He might be worth a late round pick. Great size and good arm. He has potential to be invited to the SB in think.
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I think he's comparable to Davis Mills situation in the last draft. Toolsy QB without a ton of game experience. Jurkovec will need to impress in the post season all star games and workouts to get into the 2nd day of the draft.
 
Texian said:
I never concluded he had bone on bone.
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Texian said:
Once you get to bone on bone you're pretty much done. After already having 3 operations on the same knee, Strong may be one more operation away from having B on B. Why I say full medical clearance before I can get excited.
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Texian said:
I'm ASSUMING he has had meniscus damage based on the recovery times this Spring and Summer. His High School injury was likely ligament based on recovery time and the limited recruitment he received. This really is more of question for @CloakNNNdagger.
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He had neither meniscus or ligament damage.

Strong had surgery on the the right knee the summer before his senior season of high school, which cost him that season. That surgery came after an MRI revealed an osteochondritis dissecans lesion and resulted in 8 biodegradable nails being inserted to mend a crack in his lateral femoral condyle bone. The more recent surgery was to clean up loose articular cartilage floating in the same knee.

Osteochondritis dissecans affects joints, most frequently the knee, in children and adolescents. It can also affect other joints, such as elbows and ankles. This condition occurs when a piece of the bone partially or fully separates from the end of the bone that forms a joint. This usually happens due to the lack of blood supply to the area. As the piece of the bone dies, the cartilage covering it cracks, and both may break loose. The area where the bone fragment breaks off is called a lesion. Although these lesions may occur in both of the paired joints, usually just one is affected.

The exact reason why blood flow may become interrupted in a segment of the bone is unknown. However, osteochondritis dissecans has been linked to repetitive trauma or stress on a joint, such as from playing sports, and genetic predisposition in some patients.

The interesting thing is that osteochondritis dissecans usually doesn't return once the patient heals. Although when surgery is required that includes damage to the articular cartilage, there can be worries of longer term problems, including early osteoarthritis.


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Strong evidently had pieces of articular cartilage break off (loose body as in the figure below) as a result of the condition and/or the repair...............making the risk for future severe osteoarthritis quite high.

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CloakNNNdagger said:
He had neither meniscus or ligament damage.

Strong had surgery on the the right knee the summer before his senior season of high school, which cost him that season. That surgery came after an MRI revealed an osteochondritis dissecans lesion and resulted in 8 biodegradable nails being inserted to mend a crack in his lateral femoral condyle bone. The more recent surgery was to clean up loose articular cartilage floating in the same knee.

Osteochondritis dissecans affects joints, most frequently the knee, in children and adolescents. It can also affect other joints, such as elbows and ankles. This condition occurs when a piece of the bone partially or fully separates from the end of the bone that forms a joint. This usually happens due to the lack of blood supply to the area. As the piece of the bone dies, the cartilage covering it cracks, and both may break loose. The area where the bone fragment breaks off is called a lesion. Although these lesions may occur in both of the paired joints, usually just one is affected.

The exact reason why blood flow may become interrupted in a segment of the bone is unknown. However, osteochondritis dissecans has been linked to repetitive trauma or stress on a joint, such as from playing sports, and genetic predisposition in some patients.

The interesting thing is that osteochondritis dissecans usually doesn't return once the patient heals. Although when surgery is required that includes damage to the articular cartilage, there can be worries of longer term problems, including early osteoarthritis.


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Strong evidently had pieces of articular cartilage break off (loose body as in the figure below) as a result of the condition and/or the repair...............making the risk for future severe osteoarthritis quite high.

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Thanks for clearing this up.
It’s all down to what Texian originally posted. His medicals.
I still like Strong more than any other QB in this class and if he passes those medicals I don’t think he gets past pick 20.
 
TexansFan15 said:
The QBs I would draft would be:

Corral
Pickett
Strong
Jurkovec

I wouldn’t spend a pick on more than a late round 1st/2nd on the first 3 names. The last guy I’d spend a late round flyer on.
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If I managed to get LG, Zion Johnson and OC, Alec Lindstrom in the draft……I’d take a flyer on their QB, Phil Jurkovec if he commits to the 2022 NFL Draft. The guys had a lot of issues with his mechanics but if he’s been drafted as a developmental QB…..he’s got the requisite tools to work with. A plus is certainly his size at 6-5 and 230 lbs. One thing I didn’t know about him was his ability to run, and run effectively for a big guy.

Personally, I’d be adding position players as the priority and if there are any luxury picks in RD5 or later….then Jurkovec would be a solid investment.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
If I managed to get LG, Zion Johnson and OC, Alec Lindstrom in the draft……I’d take a flyer on their QB, Phil Jurkovec if he commits to the 2022 NFL Draft. The guys had a lot of issues with his mechanics but if he’s been drafted as a developmental QB…..he’s got the requisite tools to work with. A plus is certainly his size at 6-5 and 230 lbs. One thing I didn’t know about him was his ability to run, and run effectively for a big guy.

Personally, I’d be adding position players as the priority and if there are any luxury picks in RD5 or later….then Jurkovec would be a solid investment.
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Yeah unless he mesmerizes the rest of his season back from injury I wasn’t thinking no higher than a late 4th at best. If I were him I’d probably return to school to see if he could boost his draft stock.
 
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CloakNNNdagger said:
He had neither meniscus or ligament damage.

Strong had surgery on the the right knee the summer before his senior season of high school, which cost him that season. That surgery came after an MRI revealed an osteochondritis dissecans lesion and resulted in 8 biodegradable nails being inserted to mend a crack in his lateral femoral condyle bone. The more recent surgery was to clean up loose articular cartilage floating in the same knee.

Osteochondritis dissecans affects joints, most frequently the knee, in children and adolescents. It can also affect other joints, such as elbows and ankles. This condition occurs when a piece of the bone partially or fully separates from the end of the bone that forms a joint. This usually happens due to the lack of blood supply to the area. As the piece of the bone dies, the cartilage covering it cracks, and both may break loose. The area where the bone fragment breaks off is called a lesion. Although these lesions may occur in both of the paired joints, usually just one is affected.

The exact reason why blood flow may become interrupted in a segment of the bone is unknown. However, osteochondritis dissecans has been linked to repetitive trauma or stress on a joint, such as from playing sports, and genetic predisposition in some patients.

The interesting thing is that osteochondritis dissecans usually doesn't return once the patient heals. Although when surgery is required that includes damage to the articular cartilage, there can be worries of longer term problems, including early osteoarthritis.


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Strong evidently had pieces of articular cartilage break off (loose body as in the figure below) as a result of the condition and/or the repair...............making the risk for future severe osteoarthritis quite high.

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How long before the osteoarthritis begins to set in?
 
Carson Strong has looked rather mediocre and pedestrian in first half tonight. Air Force leads at half 17 - 3. Strong 1 INT, Sacked 5 times.
 
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