Texansphan
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From all accounts it sounds like he is athletic enough.
He is going to have to make his fair share of rookie mistakes so why not start him asap? The sooner the better.
Cant keep him wrapped in cotton wool for ever.
2019 1.23 TYTUS HOWARD OT Alabama State
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He is going to have to make his fair share of rookie mistakes so why not start him asap? The sooner the better.
Cant keep him wrapped in cotton wool for ever.
AngryNateFTW
Veteran
I didn't mean redshirt him, I meant, he might struggle getting acclimated to NFL edge rushers his rookie year so start him at guard to get him live action before pushing him to the outside. We know he has the feet to keep up, he just needs to get stronger and trim some bad weight before moving to the outside.
throwANDREtheBALL
Waterboy
I didn't see anything in that interview that said Howard was an elite athlete. I hope all of the draft experts are wrong and he's a top-notch left tackle. But, to me he looks like he'll be a solid starting RT in a year or two.
throwANDREtheBALL
Waterboy
Drafting a possible RT when we needed a LT is the reason why most people had a problem with the pick. I think he can be a solid RT in time. There were other guys in the draft picked later who will be better RT's. It was a reach pick. And he's not a Left Tackle. Double Whammy
Did his Combine numbers say great athlete to you?
All of them started as rookies and played well . You said not many rookies start and that is not true. Most 1st Rd rookies start and any of the guys I listed would be an upgrade over what started there last yr. Hopefully Howard can be added to the list.
beerlover
Hall of Fame
5.05 forty better vertical than Dillard, but really it’s fact he played QB, TE before switching to OL.
Or you could just watch his movement skills for a man his size, he’s very fluid, no hip tightness like Mc Gary, really think sky is the limit if his work ethic matches.
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beerlover
Hall of Fame
It was an interview, but what did Bucky say to begin the interview with?
Maybe his shorts issues contrlibuted to his subpar 3-cone, short shuttle etc... but not his 40 or his vertical.
beerlover
Hall of Fame
Shame on you, it’s his birthday
Peters combine numbers were better than Howard’s across the board. Also, Peters was an undrafted free agent. No one is dismissing Howard’s chances. It’s the draft capital spent and what the draft capital wasn’t spent on. It’s the fact that the Texan did little to address the position and then took a project with their 1st pick. That’s the issue.Have the player here who most reminds me of Tytus, some TE named Jason Peters. Was any good playing LT
beerlover
Hall of Fame
Fully understand that but what are we going to do about it now? I would suggest hope for the best, that Texans front office, coaches and scouts are better @ their job projecting system fits and addressing need over collective on this board, hard as we try.
I really do appreciate your input, you contributed more than anyone here to navigate through a tough process. Your posts, always concise, informative and generally spot on. We all would have been happier if Texans had traded down then taken Howard, however it would have been a short window and risk too great that O’Brian, Devlin and Gaine would have lost their target. In three years nobody will complain Texans used their 1st rd pick on Tytus Howard.
I said lock at RT, possible LT. I think you're the only one saying he's a project RT.
Looks like a LT to me.
What did you think of the Eagles drafting Carson Wentz with the #2 overall pick?
I think this is very much the same. As good as Carson Wentz is, he is still developing into an NFL QB.
He came from a small school. Didn't play in an NFL offense. But caught the attention of many scouts. Impressed at the Senior Bowl.
The hoopla wasn't the same for Howard. He's not a QB or a pass rusher. & we didn't spend the #2 overall on him.
I'm not saying the Texans did the right thing. I have no idea & won't "know" until I see him own the position, either RT or LT (I'm one of those who thinks it makes sense to start inexperienced talent on the right side before moving to the left).
It's so nice to see an actual conversation between adults here. Respect.
beerlover
Hall of Fame
Had to come back to these points you made. Both repped 220 21 times. Peters weighted in 336 vs Tytus 322. Jason Peters arm length was only 33.13” vs Tytus 34”. Hands on Peters 9.38” vs Tytus 10 5/8”. Shuttle times are all hand times, there are a lot of variables involved, back then also included 40 times which you add at least a 10th. Could keep going but point is Howard is not inferior prospect to Peters, who did go undrafted but guess what, game has changed and premiums have gone up and up on Tackles. Last point Eagles traded up ahead of Texans for a tackle in first round (as we all know too well) what if the guy drafted after Dillard winds up being the better Tackle, kinda like history repeating itself, well that’s my story and I’m sticking to it
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beerlover
Hall of Fame
Ok, here you go then -
He was losing time having to pull up his shorts
Honoring Earl 34
Something Witty !
At least he didn't have the Chris Jones issue . Y'all wouldn't understand but Chris and I know how it is .He does seem to have some extra sand in his pants. Which would explain shuttle time
Everybody is a project at this stage.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Not sure why anyone would make that comparison. The only real similarity is that he played at a small school...but that only happened after he was released from UT.
It is a poor comparison if anyone was doing it. Harrison was an overaged, slightly undersized with significant off the field concerns..outside of a small school literally nothing in common
Super Athletic Offensive tackle. I mean you look at the intangibles everything lines up
infantrycak
Admin & Mod
Except one went in the 1st & one went UDFA.
Dejaview
All Pro
So did Spartan women.
Almost as if there was some reason for that.
One also had repeated HUGE off-the-field-field issues and one didn't.
One also started only 9 games and only played in 17 while the other started for 3 1/2 seasons.
I don't think he was talking about Trent Williams
TheRealJoker
Hall of Fame
I hope Tytus Howard becomes a perennial all pro. Gaine and Sashi Brown sacrificial lambs getting unceremoniously dismissed before their vision as GM is truly realized.
Rich Schmidt
Myopicone
Any word how Howard is healing up?? Seemed like something he should easily be ready for camp with
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
What injury did he have again?
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
In October, all reports were that Howard suffered an MCL (later I confirmed a Grade II) and that no surgery was required (which it shouldn't)...........but then almost 2 months later, he underwent a medial meniscus repair. They evidently tried conservative rehab which usually takes ~6 week if it works.............it didn't and he was taken to surgery. The post surgical rehab should be completed in ~8-10 weeks. With his surgery having been performed the first week in Dec, he should be more than good to go and full strength by OTAs.
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CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Rookie review: Tytus Howard found home at right tackle
Aaron Wilson , Houston Chronicle Jan. 17, 2020
Tytus Howard overcame a broken finger and a torn meniscus, embracing the learning curve that accompanied making the jump from Alabama State to emerge as a rookie starter.
Although the Texans’ first-round draft pick ultimately ended his season on injured reserve and underwent knee surgery, his first year in the league was a success story.
What Howard and the Texans learned during his half-season was this: He’s a natural right tackle, not a left tackle.
And his quickness and strength made him an immediate impact player in pass protection, walling off pass rushers. His run-blocking showed power as he was a good drive blocker against big defensive linemen. His overall technique still has room for improvement.
“I can compete at a high level,” Howard said. “Being consistent is a key for me. Being from a small school, it means a lot to start as a rookie and play at a high level. It’s a building block for next year.
“It just gives me more confidence knowing you played at a high level your rookie year. It gives you more energy and motivation. I can only get better from here and keep building. That’s my goal.”
The Texans are confident that they got it right by picking Howard. He was the offensive tackle they targeted throughout the draft process. Contrary to multiple reports and several assumptions, it wasn’t Washington State tackle Andre Dillard, who went to the Philadelphia Eagles in the first round.
The Texans zeroed in on Howard after meeting with him at the Senior Bowl and NFL scouting combine, where he ran the 40-yard dash in 5.05 seconds, and working him out privately and bringing him in for an official visit.
Signed to a four-year, $12.2 million guaranteed contract with a 2023 fifth-year club option, Howard had just five penalties and allowed only two sacks as a rookie.
“Tytus had a really good rookie year,” Texans coach Bill O’Brien said. “The guy was really playing well for us. Very tough, very physical, very athletic, great guy, great teammate. He was injured in the Kansas City game in October, and it was a tough injury.
“He tried to come back, he played with it, and then we decided to shut him down because it wasn’t going to be good for him. It was better for him to begin that rehab process and all those things, but he’s got a really bright future.”
Being recognized as an all-rookie choice (by several outlets including the Pro Football Writers of America) isn’t all that important to Howard even though it does represent a validation of his skills.
“It was pretty good, but, really, to be honest with you, that doesn’t mean that much to you,” Howard said. “I’m all about the team. It would be better if we had gotten more wins.”
Howard’s next step is regaining his health. He’s made steady progress since undergoing surgery. Although he offered no time table, Howard is expected to participate in the offseason training program and organized team activities.
He’s also getting married in February.
“Looking forward to getting healthy this offseason and getting ready for next season,” Howard said. “It’s going pretty good rehabbing. I’m getting ready for next year. My main goal is to get back on the field. I can’t take too much time off.”
Howard injected toughness and power into the offensive line. When the 6-5, 322-pounder hurt his knee against Kansas City in October, he only missed two games and returned for a win over Jacksonville in London.
“The best moment was just dealing with the injury and coming back and getting a hard-fought win in Jacksonville,” Howard said. “That was very emotional to me. At one point in time, I thought I wouldn’t play the rest of the season. The coaches supported me and I’m just glad to have a part in the success.”
The Texans initially tried Howard at left guard and left tackle. He didn’t look comfortable, though, and became the starting right tackle against the Los Angeles Chargers.
THE REST OF THE STORY
Aaron Wilson , Houston Chronicle Jan. 17, 2020
Tytus Howard overcame a broken finger and a torn meniscus, embracing the learning curve that accompanied making the jump from Alabama State to emerge as a rookie starter.
Although the Texans’ first-round draft pick ultimately ended his season on injured reserve and underwent knee surgery, his first year in the league was a success story.
What Howard and the Texans learned during his half-season was this: He’s a natural right tackle, not a left tackle.
And his quickness and strength made him an immediate impact player in pass protection, walling off pass rushers. His run-blocking showed power as he was a good drive blocker against big defensive linemen. His overall technique still has room for improvement.
“I can compete at a high level,” Howard said. “Being consistent is a key for me. Being from a small school, it means a lot to start as a rookie and play at a high level. It’s a building block for next year.
“It just gives me more confidence knowing you played at a high level your rookie year. It gives you more energy and motivation. I can only get better from here and keep building. That’s my goal.”
The Texans are confident that they got it right by picking Howard. He was the offensive tackle they targeted throughout the draft process. Contrary to multiple reports and several assumptions, it wasn’t Washington State tackle Andre Dillard, who went to the Philadelphia Eagles in the first round.
The Texans zeroed in on Howard after meeting with him at the Senior Bowl and NFL scouting combine, where he ran the 40-yard dash in 5.05 seconds, and working him out privately and bringing him in for an official visit.
Signed to a four-year, $12.2 million guaranteed contract with a 2023 fifth-year club option, Howard had just five penalties and allowed only two sacks as a rookie.
“Tytus had a really good rookie year,” Texans coach Bill O’Brien said. “The guy was really playing well for us. Very tough, very physical, very athletic, great guy, great teammate. He was injured in the Kansas City game in October, and it was a tough injury.
“He tried to come back, he played with it, and then we decided to shut him down because it wasn’t going to be good for him. It was better for him to begin that rehab process and all those things, but he’s got a really bright future.”
Being recognized as an all-rookie choice (by several outlets including the Pro Football Writers of America) isn’t all that important to Howard even though it does represent a validation of his skills.
“It was pretty good, but, really, to be honest with you, that doesn’t mean that much to you,” Howard said. “I’m all about the team. It would be better if we had gotten more wins.”
Howard’s next step is regaining his health. He’s made steady progress since undergoing surgery. Although he offered no time table, Howard is expected to participate in the offseason training program and organized team activities.
He’s also getting married in February.
“Looking forward to getting healthy this offseason and getting ready for next season,” Howard said. “It’s going pretty good rehabbing. I’m getting ready for next year. My main goal is to get back on the field. I can’t take too much time off.”
Howard injected toughness and power into the offensive line. When the 6-5, 322-pounder hurt his knee against Kansas City in October, he only missed two games and returned for a win over Jacksonville in London.
“The best moment was just dealing with the injury and coming back and getting a hard-fought win in Jacksonville,” Howard said. “That was very emotional to me. At one point in time, I thought I wouldn’t play the rest of the season. The coaches supported me and I’m just glad to have a part in the success.”
The Texans initially tried Howard at left guard and left tackle. He didn’t look comfortable, though, and became the starting right tackle against the Los Angeles Chargers.
THE REST OF THE STORY
badboy
Hall of Fame
Doc you confirmed that it shouldn't have needed surgery but then it did. I realized that those things do happen but is it possible that he somehow re-injured the meniscus? Perhaps trying to come back too early?
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
He came back too soon for a grade II MCL and a meniscus tear to rehab (<3 weeks). A grade II MCL should never require surgery. A meniscus tear requires 6-8 weeks of conservative rehab if it is even ever to be able to circumvent the need for surgical intervention.
That would tend to validate the claims that the Texans screwed up the pick.
The Texans desperately needed an OT to protect DW4s blind side and they failed to reach that goal with their top pick but instead used two
additional future first round picks to trade for a LT.
Could Dillard have been that blind side protection for DW4 ? Maybe, but we'll never know.
If anything it reinforces the fact that there were no legit LTs at 1.23 in that draft. Of all the tackles left, Howard was the only one with the upside to possibly play LT.
& just because we didn't believe the guy from Alabama State was ready to play LT as a rookie doesn't mean he won't ever be.
Yea but perhaps there was potentially a ligit LT in the 2019 Draft @ 1.22 ?
I dunno how you could reach that conclusion now given that Andre Dillard was playing behind the Eagles long-time multi-year all-pro LT and future HOFer Jason Peters so he had no real opportunity to be a starter his rookie year. The 2020 season will be Dillards opportunity and till then IMO its pemature to reach conclusions about his abilities and potential as a ligit NFL LT.
maverick512000
Hall of Fame
The key part in that is that he has got to play behind a HoF LT so he learned from the best. Here he would have been thrown out there if not game one than soon after. Not to mention Devlin would have been his coach so......yeah. Even if Dillard is an all pro for the Eagles next year that doesn't mean he would have been here. Don't get me wrong I think we could have gotten Howard in the 2nd and I wanted Brown myself but if Howard is the answer to RT for 10 years then 1:23 is actually great value for him.