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2019 1.23 TYTUS HOWARD OT Alabama State

Are you happy with our first round pick?

  • Yes. It addressed our #1 need and he was the right player at that pick.

    Votes: 34 45.3%

  • No. We should have picked a different OT at 23.

    Votes: 5 6.7%

  • No. We should have traded up for Dillard.

    Votes: 22 29.3%

  • No. We should have picked BPA and waited until the 2nd for our OT.

    Votes: 14 18.7%
  • Total voters
    75
  • Poll closed .
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Texansphan

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AngryNateFTW said:
Not to sound pessimistic because we have yet to see Howard play but I really do think he could benefit from an entire season/off-season in an NFL program.

When Rankin came in, I also mentioned that he was carrying a lot of bad weight. It sounds like he has come into OTA's with a bigger upper body and a slimmer waist. I think Howard will need the same thing before we see the 1st round investment. (Probably why he is getting initial work at guard)
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From all accounts it sounds like he is athletic enough.
He is going to have to make his fair share of rookie mistakes so why not start him asap? The sooner the better.
Cant keep him wrapped in cotton wool for ever.
 
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AngryNateFTW

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Texansphan said:
From all accounts it sounds like he is athletic enough.
He is going to have to make his fair share of rookie mistakes so why not start him asap? The sooner the better.
Cant keep him wrapped in cotton wool for ever.
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I didn't mean redshirt him, I meant, he might struggle getting acclimated to NFL edge rushers his rookie year so start him at guard to get him live action before pushing him to the outside. We know he has the feet to keep up, he just needs to get stronger and trim some bad weight before moving to the outside.
 
throwANDREtheBALL

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throwANDREtheBALL

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thunderkyss said:
That may have been their thinking with Howard. A lock at RT, possible LT. He's still developing into a Tackle. Just three years ago he was small enough to play TE, along with the athleticism required to play TE.

They'll have a year with him to decide if he should make the move to LT, or if they should draft one.
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Drafting a possible RT when we needed a LT is the reason why most people had a problem with the pick. I think he can be a solid RT in time. There were other guys in the draft picked later who will be better RT's. It was a reach pick. And he's not a Left Tackle. Double Whammy
 
steelbtexan

steelbtexan

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maverick512000 said:
I'm sorry did you have a point other than naming random OTs? Williams hasn't played one NFL game yet so its a little early to hold him up as an example, Robinson had a decent year but really wasn't anything special and then went out early the next season, I'll grant you Smith had a great rookie year. Just because a guy is made a starter his rookie year doesn't mean its the best choice. Just like if Watson could have got to ride the bench a season behind a vet like Mahomes did he could have been even better.

Saying a rookie will be the starter is different than saying that they should be the starter.
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All of them started as rookies and played well . You said not many rookies start and that is not true. Most 1st Rd rookies start and any of the guys I listed would be an upgrade over what started there last yr. Hopefully Howard can be added to the list.
 
beerlover

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steelbtexan said:
Did his Combine numbers say great athlete to you?
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5.05 forty better vertical than Dillard, but really it’s fact he played QB, TE before switching to OL.

Or you could just watch his movement skills for a man his size, he’s very fluid, no hip tightness like Mc Gary, really think sky is the limit if his work ethic matches.
 
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beerlover

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throwANDREtheBALL said:
I didn't see anything in that interview that said Howard was an elite athlete. I hope all of the draft experts are wrong and he's a top-notch left tackle. But, to me he looks like he'll be a solid starting RT in a year or two.
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It was an interview, but what did Bucky say to begin the interview with?
 
steelbtexan

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beerlover said:
5.05 forty better vertical than Dillard, but really it’s fact he played QB, TE before switching to OL.

Or you could just watch his movement skills for a man his size, he’s very fluid, no hip tightness like Mc Gary, really think sky is the limit if his work ethic matches.
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beerlover said:
5.05 forty better vertical than Dillard, but really it’s fact he played QB, TE before switching to OL.

Or you could just watch his movement skills for a man his size, he’s very fluid, no hip tightness like Mc Gary, really think sky is the limit if his work ethic matches.
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Maybe his shorts issues contrlibuted to his subpar 3-cone, short shuttle etc... but not his 40 or his vertical.
 
Lucky

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beerlover said:
Have the player here who most reminds me of Tytus, some TE named Jason Peters. Was any good playing LT :kingkong:
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Peters combine numbers were better than Howard’s across the board. Also, Peters was an undrafted free agent. No one is dismissing Howard’s chances. It’s the draft capital spent and what the draft capital wasn’t spent on. It’s the fact that the Texan did little to address the position and then took a project with their 1st pick. That’s the issue.
 
beerlover

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Lucky said:
Peters combine numbers were better than Howard’s across the board. Also, Peters was an undrafted free agent. No one is dismissing Howard’s chances. It’s the draft capital spent and what the draft capital wasn’t spent on. It’s the fact that the Texan did little to address the position and then took a project with their 1st pick. That’s the issue.
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Fully understand that but what are we going to do about it now? I would suggest hope for the best, that Texans front office, coaches and scouts are better @ their job projecting system fits and addressing need over collective on this board, hard as we try.

I really do appreciate your input, you contributed more than anyone here to navigate through a tough process. Your posts, always concise, informative and generally spot on. We all would have been happier if Texans had traded down then taken Howard, however it would have been a short window and risk too great that O’Brian, Devlin and Gaine would have lost their target. In three years nobody will complain Texans used their 1st rd pick on Tytus Howard.
 
thunderkyss

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throwANDREtheBALL said:
Drafting a possible RT when we needed a LT is the reason why most people had a problem with the pick. I think he can be a solid RT in time. There were other guys in the draft picked later who will be better RT's. It was a reach pick. And he's not a Left Tackle. Double Whammy
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I said lock at RT, possible LT. I think you're the only one saying he's a project RT.

Looks like a LT to me.
 
thunderkyss

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Lucky said:
No one is dismissing Howard’s chances. It’s the draft capital spent and what the draft capital wasn’t spent on. It’s the fact that the Texan did little to address the position and then took a project with their 1st pick. That’s the issue.
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What did you think of the Eagles drafting Carson Wentz with the #2 overall pick?

I think this is very much the same. As good as Carson Wentz is, he is still developing into an NFL QB.

He came from a small school. Didn't play in an NFL offense. But caught the attention of many scouts. Impressed at the Senior Bowl.

The hoopla wasn't the same for Howard. He's not a QB or a pass rusher. & we didn't spend the #2 overall on him.

I'm not saying the Texans did the right thing. I have no idea & won't "know" until I see him own the position, either RT or LT (I'm one of those who thinks it makes sense to start inexperienced talent on the right side before moving to the left).
 
beerlover

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Lucky said:
Peters combine numbers were better than Howard’s across the board. Also, Peters was an undrafted free agent.
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Had to come back to these points you made. Both repped 220 21 times. Peters weighted in 336 vs Tytus 322. Jason Peters arm length was only 33.13” vs Tytus 34”. Hands on Peters 9.38” vs Tytus 10 5/8”. Shuttle times are all hand times, there are a lot of variables involved, back then also included 40 times which you add at least a 10th. Could keep going but point is Howard is not inferior prospect to Peters, who did go undrafted but guess what, game has changed and premiums have gone up and up on Tackles. Last point Eagles traded up ahead of Texans for a tackle in first round (as we all know too well) what if the guy drafted after Dillard winds up being the better Tackle, kinda like history repeating itself, well that’s my story and I’m sticking to it :ahhaha:
 
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disaacks3

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281Texan said:
Is it disturbing to anyone else that Desmond Harrison just got released and that's who Tytus is compared to?
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Not sure why anyone would make that comparison. The only real similarity is that he played at a small school...but that only happened after he was released from UT.
 
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281Texan

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disaacks3 said:
Not sure why anyone would make that comparison. The only real similarity is that he played at a small school...but that only happened after he was released from UT.
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Super Athletic Offensive tackle. I mean you look at the intangibles everything lines up
 
disaacks3

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281Texan said:
Super Athletic Offensive tackle. I mean you look at the intangibles everything lines up
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infantrycak said:
Except one went in the 1st & one went UDFA.
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Almost as if there was some reason for that.

One also had repeated HUGE off-the-field-field issues and one didn't.
One also started only 9 games and only played in 17 while the other started for 3 1/2 seasons.
 
steelbtexan

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disaacks3 said:
Almost as if there was some reason for that.

One also had repeated HUGE off-the-field-field issues and one didn't.
One also started only 9 games and only played in 17 while the other started for 3 1/2 seasons.
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That settles it,

No need to spend the $$$$ on Trent Williams.
 
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